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00:01It was the moment that caught the world by surprise.
00:05Bar Michelle arrested the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.
00:07Former Prince Andrew under arrest. The shock etched on his face.
00:12Everybody is equal and nobody is above the law.
00:15Questioned under caution like a common criminal.
00:17Your Majesty, how are you feeling after your brother's arrest?
00:20The ex-royal is the biggest casualty so far in the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.
00:25It's an unprecedented moment.
00:27A scandal that reaches from beyond the grave.
00:30This is where the house of cards starts falling.
00:33As the disgraced financiers' dirty secrets threaten to tear down society's most powerful.
00:40Do you think you're the devil himself?
00:43No, but I do have a good mirror.
00:46It's a serious question.
00:47I'm sorry.
00:48Do you think you're the devil himself?
00:50I don't know. Why would you say that?
00:53Tonight, the unraveling of Jeffrey Epstein.
00:57How he conned the world.
00:59This is not just a story about a supervillain.
01:02How he became a billionaire and one of the worst sex traffickers in history.
01:08You need to know the deep and dark secrets of everything else.
01:11It's just sickening.
01:13And how the morally corrupt were happy to play and do business with a pedophile.
01:19Breaking news out of Washington.
01:20The Justice Department just dropped a trove of new documents.
01:24The latest release of files is shocking in its size and its content.
01:28Breaking news.
01:29Peter Maddelson has been led from home by police.
01:33From Britain, Norway and India to Wall Street.
01:37Is this insider dealing? Is there stuff that he said that people could trade on?
01:40From royalty to tech giants, business titans and politicians.
01:45Epstein is a democrat hoax.
01:46The fallout is global as the world's elite takes cover.
01:51My wife and I decide that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person every day.
01:57I did have lunch with him.
01:59You misled the country and the Congress.
02:01They knew this all along.
02:02We tracked down the people who knew him from the beginning.
02:05It's here.
02:06The saga of Jeffrey Epstein really began.
02:08His brother.
02:09Joking about pedophilia, it's a bit close to the bone, isn't it?
02:12When your brother is a pedophile.
02:13I'm going to hang up on you.
02:14His former lover.
02:16I liked him because he seemed to be the center of the universe.
02:19And those who now wish they never knew him.
02:22Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein?
02:25And I'm not going to move on until we see some men perp walked to prison.
02:29I think we're having a reckoning.
02:33Is there actually criminal stuff in this file?
02:36Oh, absolutely.
02:37It makes you mad.
02:38It's like, why did it take this long for someone to listen?
02:42Who was Jeffrey?
02:56Who covered for him?
02:57What financial institutions allowed his trafficking to continue?
03:02Who knew what he was doing but was too much of a coward to do anything about it?
03:10As an adult, Jenna Lisa Jones wants answers to what happened to her as a child.
03:17She was only 14 years old when she was led into a bedroom in a Palm Beach mansion.
03:23This was me at 14 years old.
03:27I was a child.
03:29I was in ninth grade.
03:32As a teenager, she knew what the world is learning now through the Epstein files.
03:37The man she met that day, Jeffrey Epstein, was a serial sex abuser of young girls.
03:43No one was coming to help her and no one was going to stop him.
03:48Are you completely behind the release of these files?
03:52I am behind the complete release of these files.
03:55This is disgusting stuff we're talking about.
03:58We're talking about children's lives, young women's lives.
04:02This is sickening.
04:05More than a thousand women say they were abused as part of Epstein's sex trafficking ring.
04:11Many of the victims revealed in the files.
04:14It seems to expose a very dark world, doesn't it?
04:19Yeah.
04:19It's everything that you thought that could possibly, you know, those conspiracy theories.
04:27This is just going to show you this is exactly what happens behind the closed doors.
04:32The Epstein files are over three million documents, videos and photographs detailing over two decades of crimes.
04:40There are incriminating emails between the sex offender and the world's elite.
04:48Interviews with the predator himself.
04:50And what were those felonies that you pled guilty to?
04:57Solicitation of prostitutes, not underage prostitutes, but simply prostitutes.
05:03Solicitation of prostitutes and one count of procuring a minor for underage sex.
05:12There's evidence of the debauchery.
05:20As well as just how prized Epstein was as a key member of the billionaire club.
05:26Cosy with politicians, royals, the world famous and the mega rich.
05:32Death cannot protect Epstein or his mates with his files the most scrutinized instrument of accountability in the world.
05:41And the perpetrators are being protected because they're rich and powerful and political donors to the establishment here in Washington
05:51DC.
05:52Pulling back the curtain on the evil Epstein empire is Thomas Massey, a Republican congressman from Kentucky, who co-wrote
06:01the Epstein Files Transparency Act, compelling the US Department of Justice to produce the files.
06:08This might not be the biggest issue in America right now, but it is the issue everybody can agree on.
06:14When I heard the victims talk, I realized what they had been living with, the shame that they had been
06:24living with for so many years, and why this was another level of evil.
06:30How big a scandal do you believe this is?
06:32This spans four presidents, part of a two decade long cover up.
06:38You know, we've seen that some of the richest people on the planet have the lowest moral standards on the
06:48planet.
06:50So far, there's been an avalanche of scandalous revelations.
06:54It is extraordinary.
06:56After millions of documents were released in the Epstein investigation, it has triggered international and political fallout.
07:04But by far, the most consequential is this royal reckoning decades in the making.
07:11Fox News Alert, we begin this out with a breaking news story out of the UK.
07:15BBC understands that he has been arrested.
07:18It's believed the first British royal arrested in nearly 400 years.
07:21An arrest of this magnitude has no precedent in modern British history.
07:25As the world watched, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor was hauled in by police for 11 hours of questioning on suspicion of
07:34misconduct in public office.
07:36This is not, at least not yet, about sex trafficking.
07:40Police are investigating a handful of emails uncovered in the Epstein files.
07:45They appear to show Andrew, once an official trade envoy, sharing government secrets directly with his sex offender friend.
07:53But there's more, from trading secrets to trading young women.
07:58Apparently Epstein had offered to arrange for Andrew to have dinner with a 26-year-old clever, beautiful, trustworthy Russian
08:04woman.
08:05And Andrew apparently responded that he would be delighted.
08:09The creepy ex-duke was also caught out unceremoniously on all fours in Epstein's home.
08:15These are the latest pictures of the man formerly known as Prince Andrew.
08:20For his sins, the King's brother has already been kicked out of his royal lodgings, stripped of his titles, and
08:27now at least nine police departments are probing his true ties to Epstein.
08:33I, I, but I don't, I have simply no recollection.
08:38From former prince to president, Donald Trump's name appears thousands of times in the Epstein files in uncorroborated and often
08:47bizarre tip-offs, providing endless fodder for laughs.
08:52Wouldn't it just be easier to call this the Trump files featuring Jeffrey Epstein?
09:02The pedophile and president were certainly friends before a falling out in 2004, though Trump has long maintained he knew
09:11nothing of Epstein's crimes.
09:13No, I had no idea. I had no idea. I haven't spoken to him in many, many years, but I
09:18didn't have no idea.
09:19But a claim made in the files contradicts that.
09:23In an unexpected twist, Trump has been credited with contacting police when Epstein was first arrested on sex charges in
09:322006.
09:33Trump reportedly said,
09:35Thank goodness you're stopping him. Everyone has known he's been doing this.
09:40He described Epstein as disgusting and the financier's girlfriend and co-conspirator, Ghislaine Maxwell, as evil, clearly indicating he was
09:51aware of their crimes years ago, despite saying otherwise.
09:59I think one of the dangers here is that this entire process gets so politicized that it loses any semblance
10:06of credibility.
10:07But I really think that most people here, their interest in this is not about scoring political points. It's about
10:13understanding the truth.
10:15To find that truth, there are calls for the Department of Justice to do more.
10:20To thoroughly investigate the connections and allegations made in the files.
10:25Are you able to track who in your organization made this massive failure?
10:31It's a high stakes search for clues to the real mystery.
10:35Who this man actually was, what he was doing and with whom.
10:41Exactly why the world's most powerful people were drawn into his orbit.
10:47Is there any sense of, we told you so? We told you that this badness was happening?
10:54I think there's a lot of anger there. We've been telling you all along how bad this man was and
11:00what was going on.
11:02And it has taken this long. It's like, why did it take this long for someone to listen?
11:08To understand the monster that Jeffrey Epstein became, you really need to go back to the beginning and understand where
11:15he came from and how he got there.
11:27Snowy Seagate in Brooklyn, New York, feels a million miles away from the fallout of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal gripping
11:35the world.
11:37This is the house up here where Jeffrey Epstein was raised.
11:42But this humble home, in this working class enclave, is where the disgraced financier lived for two decades.
11:50And to understand how he clawed his way to the top, you need to hear from the people who knew
11:55him first.
11:56Like his old classmate, Philip Messing.
11:59When I knew Jeffrey Epstein, you know, he was just another kid that was trying to get through puberty and
12:04like hoping that he wasn't victimized by acne.
12:07You know, I mean, he was really, you know, nobody.
12:10And Jeffrey was a very, very good math student, but everything about him like had a certain, it may have
12:16been shyness, but it was almost a supercilious air about him.
12:19As a kid, Epstein, known as Bear, was also a gifted musician, but his mates knew money was what drove
12:27him most and a deep desire to escape the neighborhood.
12:32Jeffrey Epstein, back at the time I went to school with him, told a classmate of ours that he would
12:38definitely be rich someday.
12:40But nobody could have ever envisioned that Jeffrey Epstein would turn into the villain that we now know of, victimizing
12:48hordes and hordes of women, young women.
12:53Epstein's rise to the top was fast-tracked by his drive and his ability to lie.
12:59By 21, he might have been a college dropout with no degree and zero credentials, but he somehow secured a
13:07prized teaching job at Dalton, one of New York's most prestigious high schools.
13:12It took a level of chutzpah that David Enrich, deputy investigations editor of the New York Times, can only admire.
13:21It's easy for me to imagine that he marched himself into the headmaster's office at Dalton and just started talking
13:28as if he belonged there, and the headmaster clearly bought it.
13:31And that is one of the constant lessons of the Epstein saga over the years, is that the more information
13:38you get, the more questions it tends to raise.
13:42The audacious ascent of the kid from Brooklyn had begun.
13:47At the time, Scott Speiser was a student and, like Epstein, an outsider in this privileged place.
13:54But even he felt there was something off with the maths and physics teacher.
13:58What I remember is seeing him in a circle of female students and always kind of being taken aback by
14:05that.
14:06But at that time, it was just very distinct that, hmm, OK, well, that's different.
14:12That's not what I'm used to. That seems not entirely OK.
14:17But what do I know? I'm a 16, 17-year-old knucklehead.
14:22Knucklehead or not, Scott witnessed Epstein get unusually close to the sons, but mainly the daughters, of the global establishment.
14:31He was a teacher who seemed to show up at social events, parties, gatherings.
14:36Everything seemed very blurred in terms of the boundaries between students and him.
14:44By the time that he left there two years later in 1976, the school was basically chasing him out.
14:50They felt that his performance as a teacher was not strong enough to merit his continued employment.
14:56And luckily for Jeffrey Epstein, and unluckily enough for the rest of us, Epstein found another place to work very
15:02soon after that.
15:04That place was Bear Stearns, Wall Street's infamous cowboy investment bank.
15:10When you make money, we make money.
15:13A powerhouse that didn't care for credentials, which was lucky given Epstein didn't have any, though he claimed he did.
15:21When his lies were exposed, instead of being shown the door, he was given a second chance.
15:27This would be the first episode in a whole series of them over the ensuing decades
15:32in which Epstein was caught red-handed, and instead of being punished in a serious way,
15:39people opted to look the other way, and so he was able to keep rolling forward with impunity.
15:46But even Bear Stearns grew tired of Epstein's shady deals and abusive expenses,
15:52poised to punish him with a fine and a two-month suspension.
15:56Instead, Epstein quit and set up on his own.
16:00But it didn't matter. His old company was more than happy to continue doing business with him.
16:06He left and started tapping right back into that network, and it led him to be introduced to some very
16:12powerful businessmen in various parts of the world.
16:15It allowed him to partner up with some Bear Stearns clients whose money he ended up stealing.
16:21His connections also saw him partner up with young women, delivered directly to his apartment by his old bosses at
16:30Bear Stearns, including office assistant 23-year-old Patricia Schmidt.
16:36I was sent over there because my boss had asked me to deliver some papers to him.
16:43And I went after work, and I did exactly that.
16:49I think it was clearly my boss doing him a favour.
16:57But Patricia was immediately hooked, and she and Epstein started a year-long consensual relationship.
17:05He seemed to be kind of the centre of the universe.
17:08He was so confident, and he was so attractive, and he was so incredibly smart.
17:16So what you're saying is it wasn't transactional?
17:19No, no, nothing, nothing about it was transactional.
17:22Did you fall in love with him?
17:24Um, definitely I think so, yes.
17:27And I remember thinking, gosh, when is he going to call again?
17:35Patricia kept a diary of her time with Epstein.
17:38Who knows what he really thinks of me?
17:40It's a glimpse into their romance, but 40 years on, Patricia recognises Epstein also treated her as currency.
17:49And she would prove to be the blueprint he'd use against so many other women.
17:55Geoffrey phoned me yesterday and asked if I'd show a friend of his around Bear Stearns.
18:01His friend arrived with his father, both from Switzerland.
18:06Did you ever feel exploited by him or used by him?
18:09He would ask me to meet clients, friends of his, go to lunch or go to dinner.
18:15Do you think he was supplying you to these men to have sex with them?
18:23I have to think absolutely yes.
18:26I never did.
18:27I wasn't interested in any of these men.
18:30But, oh yes, I think it was very much his intent to, um, make that trade.
18:44But it's how Epstein turned his financial trades into mega millions that has long fascinated investigative journalist David Enrich.
18:53He's been digging into how the working class kid accumulated so much wealth so quickly.
19:00Epstein fashioned himself as this financial whiz that basically was unparalleled.
19:05One of the things we saw though, the deeper we dug, was that the real way that Epstein was making
19:10money over and over again for year after year after year, was lying and cheating and conning people.
19:17It seems the financial whiz kid act worked on someone who should have known better.
19:23A whale of the business world, Leslie Wexner is the billionaire behind Victoria's Secret.
19:30But in the late 80s, he met Epstein.
19:33And as this document shows, in 1991, Wexner gave him power of attorney, putting him in charge of billions of
19:41dollars and launching Epstein into the stratosphere of the global elite.
19:47Wexner was the money behind the monster.
19:51Wexner had granted Epstein virtually unfettered control over his entire multi-billion dollar fortune.
19:58And this vaulted Epstein from being kind of a single digit millionaire, perhaps, into someone who would, in short order,
20:07become one of the richest people in the United States.
20:12The latest trove of Epstein files threw up this gem when in 2019, Epstein seemed assured he was the financial
20:21genius he sold himself as.
20:23Do you think that there's anybody that understands money or understands the world's financial system as good as you?
20:32There must be.
20:34But it doesn't come to the top of the head?
20:36No.
20:36OK, fine.
20:38This pseudo-interview in 2019 with firebrand Trump adviser Steve Bannon was meant to be a training session to help
20:46Epstein rehabilitate his reputation.
20:49Its recent release in the files is an intriguing insight into a man just months away from having his privileged
20:57world ripped away.
20:58It might just ask a question. Is your money dirty money?
21:01No, it's not.
21:02So, in fact, why is it not dirty money?
21:05Because I earned it. My heart.
21:08But you earned it.
21:11We went back to this before.
21:12You earned it.
21:15Advising the worst people in the world, right, that do enormous bad things and just to make more money.
21:23What are you, class three sexual predator?
21:26Tier one.
21:27Tier one's the highest and worst?
21:29No, I'm the lowest.
21:31Tier one, you're the lowest.
21:33But a criminal.
21:35Yes.
21:43This is my swimming pool.
21:46No one's allowed to dock here.
21:49My beach.
21:51The Epstein files are an X-ray of the extraordinary life Jeffrey Epstein was enjoying at the peak of his
21:59power.
22:16Long Gone was the working class boy from Brooklyn.
22:19This was a man with billions to spend and no shortage of things to buy.
22:29The photos that we've seen are revealing in a number of ways.
22:33First and foremost, it shows the just enormous amount of stuff that hundreds of millions of dollars can buy.
22:41Whether it is mansions, private planes, private islands.
22:45He might have had plenty of money, but Epstein needed something more.
22:49And he found it in Ghislaine Maxwell.
22:52The British socialite gave him entree to the upper class world of prestige, glamour, and on the surface at least,
23:00respectability.
23:02She was someone who was basically an aristocrat.
23:05She rolled in aristocratic circles, and she brought Epstein along for that ride.
23:11And it was around this time that Epstein starts showing up at the White House, for example, and starts interacting
23:17with people like Prince Andrew.
23:19It creates this aura around him that he is one of the best connected and most powerful people in the
23:25world.
23:25That helps him attract new people who will help him make more money.
23:29It helps him lure more young women and girls into his web.
23:33And it allows Epstein to become who he became.
23:37And Maxwell played an instrumental role in that.
23:41But as we're reminded in this release of the files, behind the opulence, this depraved couple was running an international
23:50sex trafficking ring.
23:51And systematically raping girls as young as 14.
23:56So this is Okahili Middle School.
23:59I went to school here on and off from sixth grade to eighth grade.
24:05Feels weird. It feels ghostly.
24:09This is the start of where my whole world changed.
24:12So it's emotional and makes me angry.
24:19A broken kid from a broken home.
24:22Jenna Lisa Jones was just 14 when she was lured into Epstein's vile world in 2004 by his network of
24:31young recruiters.
24:32How did your world collide with his?
24:35We were all hanging out and listening to music and then they were making jokes and they started making jokes
24:40about a guy named Jeff.
24:41And he was like a weird old guy that liked to get massages and he had paid $200 and $200
24:48sounded great.
24:49I mean, my mom was addicted to drugs. There were times I didn't have food.
24:54I had nowhere, you know.
24:59So...
25:07It seemed...
25:08Why not?
25:11It seemed like the only decision you could make in that moment as a 14 year old girl.
25:18Yeah.
25:19A decision, forced by circumstances, that completely altered Jenna Lisa's life.
25:27She'd been delivered into a rock spider's web at the pedophile's mansion in Palm Beach, Florida.
25:33It was just 10 kilometres from her trailer park neighbourhood, but in every other sense, a world away.
25:41He walked in pretty quickly and he laid down on the massage table like he was a regular massage and
25:49after a couple of minutes, he just flips over and it was, see how far, you know, he could push
25:57it.
25:57What was he telling you to do?
26:00Think about the worst thing that you would want to happen, wouldn't want to happen to your child.
26:04And it was happening. I...
26:06That's what was happening in those rooms with these victims and with myself.
26:12It was...it was traumatising. It set the tone for the rest of my life.
26:19Jenna Lisa was not alone in her suffering, but she wasn't aware police were finally closing in on the predator.
26:28I've talked to a lot of girls, almost 40 girls so far.
26:34And, uh, so I know pretty much what transpires, okay?
26:40For the first time, the pedophile's 2007 draft indictment is on the public record.
26:47It's shocking reading.
26:4932 counts of sex crimes against minors.
26:53Their sordid stories captured in these police interviews.
26:57She told me that all I had to do was give him a massage and he would give me $200.
27:01It was...it was a weird situation.
27:03Did you ever take your panties off and be completely nude?
27:06Every now and then, yeah.
27:07I was unaware that I was going to be alone with him for that 10 minutes and I thought I
27:11was going to die.
27:13Police thought they had a watertight case and if convicted, Epstein faced going to jail for the rest of his
27:20life.
27:22Instead, in a shocking secret sweetheart deal with prosecutors, he pleaded guilty to two minor charges only.
27:31Procuring a child for prostitution and soliciting a prostitute.
27:36He served a mere 13 months in jail, but was barely ever in his cell.
27:41How many days a week are you out on work release?
27:44Six.
27:45And of those six days, how many hours per day are you out on work release?
27:49Twelve.
27:50They did this whole investigation on him and he didn't even get trouble.
27:55He didn't get in trouble.
27:56It enraged me and I have two children of my own, two daughters, that are going to school on Palm
28:03Beach Island,
28:04who go to school a mile away from his house.
28:09That really set in.
28:12It made me realize he was still out there doing that.
28:16And it could have been my kids next.
28:20Some of the public stories...
28:22But in this interview, released in the recent file dump, Epstein is begrudging his short stint in jail.
28:28I'd been there since June, in an eight by ten cell, with a bed in the back, a six foot
28:35bed in the back,
28:36a chrome sink with toilet attached to it, and a little piece of metal sticking out that was supposed to
28:45act as a table.
28:47Even though Jeffrey Epstein was shocked to be behind bars, it's hard to imagine that those who knew him would
28:53have been.
28:53Nothing speaks to his perversions more than his 50th birthday book, compiled in 2003.
29:02It's a 238 page album, littered with innuendo and sexual references, purportedly from Jeffrey's high-flying friends.
29:12To me, the most galling and shocking thing was that it was really clear that it was an open secret
29:20among these dozens of people who contributed to the birthday book,
29:24that Epstein had an unhealthy predilection for young women and sometimes girls.
29:29It was a big inside joke, and everyone was in on it other than the victims.
29:35Many were happy to continue with the joke, even when in 2008 Jeffrey Epstein became a registered sex offender.
29:45Nor did his shameful classification stop his trafficking.
29:51But the files show he may have got more careful recruiting young women instead of minors.
30:00This was something that he was operating on an international scale.
30:04He was bringing in women from all over Eastern Europe and getting them into the United States,
30:10offering to pay their tuition, put them up in housing, set them up with bank accounts,
30:15and they were then beholden to him, and that's exactly what Epstein wanted.
30:20For the next 10 years, Epstein operated with near impunity,
30:25until intense media scrutiny and fresh allegations of abuse forced authorities in New York to act.
30:35On the 6th of July 2019, Epstein flew into New Jersey aboard his private plane.
30:42Unaware, police were waiting.
30:45Breaking news, billionaire Jeffrey Epstein arrested on new sex trafficking charges.
30:50The 66-year-old is being held in New York, where he's expected to be arraigned tomorrow.
30:55A month later, the Brooklyn grifter turned global predator was found dead in his jail cell.
31:03When Epstein died in 2019, we were just starting to kind of scratch the surface
31:08of understanding what made him tick, who had enabled him, how he had gotten so much money,
31:13and whose secrets he was hiding.
31:27Accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein is dead, taking his own life in a New York City jail cell.
31:33A long way from the prestigious world Jeffrey Epstein was used to,
31:37he spent his last month alive in this Manhattan prison.
31:41Epstein's cell?
31:42Amongst the millions of photographs, videos, and records released in the Epstein files,
31:47are these sobering images, taken on August the 10th, 2019,
31:53documenting the demise of the disgraced predator.
31:59The 66-year-old multi-millionaire had been awaiting trial
32:02at New York City's Metropolitan Correctional Center.
32:06The news was devastating for Epstein's survivors,
32:09including Jenna Lisa Jones, who was just 14, when she was abused by him.
32:16What was it like for you to learn that Jeffrey Epstein was dead?
32:20I remember being so mad and saying,
32:27so I'm never gonna get my day for him to hear me.
32:32I even texted the FBI agent,
32:36and I told her, I said, so he wins again.
32:45And he did.
32:49The official ruling was suicide.
32:52Do not let them normalize Tertifilia.
32:54But almost immediately came the unsubstantiated and seemingly wild speculation
33:00about who Epstein was in life.
33:03Do you pay attention to this Jeffrey Epstein stuff?
33:05Yeah, a little bit.
33:07What do you think is going on?
33:07That the financier was really a spy.
33:10He represents no government.
33:12He clearly works for Mossad.
33:15He clearly works for CIA.
33:16That he dabbled in the occult and carried out satanic rituals.
33:20We're about to expose you.
33:21You're gonna prove you're loyal.
33:23You're gonna kill that little girl!
33:25And that he was a keeper of dark secrets
33:27of the most powerful people in the world,
33:30who in turn had him killed.
33:33Spoiler alert, season two is on the way.
33:36So in the end, he obviously didn't kill himself.
33:38Just like Jeffrey Epstein.
33:41Shut up!
33:42I know he's your friend, but I don't care.
33:50We don't know why there was not more CCTV footage available.
33:56We don't know why the prison guards all fell asleep.
34:01There are a lot of unanswered questions here.
34:05And it is enough to leave a reasonable person wondering
34:09if we know the full story about this.
34:11That full story, according to Mark Epstein,
34:15is that his brother was murdered.
34:18He's more than willing to talk about why he rules out suicide,
34:22just not face to face.
34:24Mark, now I've got to ask, why are we doing this over the phone?
34:26Why won't you talk to me on camera?
34:28Well, because this is not about me.
34:30I'm not looking for fame or fortune on my 15 minutes.
34:34I don't need that.
34:35I want people to focus on the fact that Jeffrey is murdered.
34:39Mark has spent years challenging the official account
34:43of his older brother's death.
34:45It was not suicide.
34:47That's bullshit.
34:48If I say that on your show.
34:50I'm your show.
34:51That's all right.
34:52He changed his will in the days leading up to his death.
34:56Does that not point to suicide?
34:58No, because I heard that.
35:00I looked into that.
35:00It's a legitimate question.
35:02But I checked with his attorneys.
35:04And it turns out he has changed his will a number of cons.
35:08So then that raises the question that if it's murder,
35:11who, why and how?
35:13Yes, that's exactly what we're trying to find out.
35:17The siblings led separate lives but were close
35:20even after Mark was made aware of his brother's sex crimes against children.
35:25In your opinion, was your brother a good man?
35:28My brother was wrong for what he did.
35:30You know, he was with girls that were too young.
35:32Other than that, you know, people might want to hear it.
35:36He was a pretty interesting guy.
35:37He was a pretty good guy.
35:39But this disturbing email interchange between the brothers
35:42emerged from the trove of files released in January.
35:47In 2012, Mark joked that a trip between his brother
35:51and Woody Allen to Paris was for a pedophile convention.
35:57Jeffrey and I used to joke about a lot of things.
35:59Look, you can't take the things that they say in jest
36:02and put more weight to it than other than that it was just...
36:04You can take them to feel funny. We just make each other laugh.
36:08But joking about pedophilia, it's a bit close to the bone, isn't it,
36:10when your brother is a pedophile?
36:11I'm going to hang up on you
36:13if you continue to talk about things other than his dad.
36:16You keep going off topic.
36:17You have spoken at length about your suspicions of him being murdered.
36:22I'm going to hang up on you.
36:23So have a great day.
36:27Of course, as we've seen from the ongoing fallout and furor,
36:32Mark Epstein's name is not the only one to appear in the mountain of files.
36:37Elon Musk asking Jeffrey Epstein, like,
36:40when is the wildest party on Epstein Island going to be?
36:42Each day, it seems, there's another name and another headline.
36:47An international domino effect as millions of documents reveal Epstein
36:50was connected to the global elite.
36:52The most high-profile fall from grace came with the shock arrest
36:57of the former prince, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor,
37:01under suspicion of sharing trade secrets with Epstein.
37:05But there have been others with mass resignations and reckonings
37:10across business, academia and foreign politics.
37:14The Met said Lord Mandelson was being investigated
37:17on suspicion of misconduct in public office.
37:19Former prime minister of Norway has been charged with gross corruption.
37:24Sarah Ferguson also now facing new questions.
37:27She's now shutting down six of her companies.
37:29Media mogul and chairman of the 2028 L.A. Olympics organizing committee,
37:33Casey Wasserman, now selling his talent agency amid major fallout
37:37over his ties to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
37:41The shocking revelations just keep coming.
37:44One of the wealthiest people in the world, Bill Gates,
37:48allegedly leaned on Epstein for pharmaceuticals and Russian girls.
37:53In the documents, Epstein wrote that Gates begged him to please delete their emails
37:57regarding a sexually transmitted disease and antibiotics.
38:01The email is, you know, false.
38:04So I don't know what his thinking was there.
38:07A wellness guru prescribing health advice between vulgar emails.
38:12Peter Attia was mentioned almost 2,000 times in the Epstein files.
38:17Tia wrote in one email to Epstein in February of 2016
38:20that a woman's private parts were low-carb.
38:24You have an email from June 24, 2015, where Attia seemingly writes,
38:28the biggest problem with becoming friends with you,
38:29the life you lead is so outrageous, and yet I can't tell a soul.
38:34Also buried in the files are many more deeply disturbing emails.
38:55As you know, it is not a crime to party with Mr. Epstein.
38:58And so as horrible as it is, it's not a crime to email with Mr. Epstein.
39:03But Republican Congressman Thomas Massey, who has been instrumental in the release of the files,
39:09has no regrets about the worldwide exposure of those who appear in them.
39:14There's some collateral damage to people's reputations, and frankly, I'm not sorry about it.
39:21If you went to the island where women were raped to have a vacation with a known sex offender,
39:28and now you're embarrassed, I'm sorry.
39:31There's lots of embarrassing stuff, but is there actually criminal stuff in these files, in your opinion?
39:37Oh, absolutely. The question is, are the allegations true or not?
39:41And the way you determine that is you have an investigation, and you have a trial.
39:47And that's how you get to the truth in this country.
39:51And all of those steps have been truncated because these are rich and powerful men.
39:58What's galling for so many is that no one other than Epstein's former girlfriend,
40:03Galen Maxwell, has been convicted for their role in the sex trafficking ring.
40:09But as the Epstein files show, the FBI has known for years who the alleged co-conspirators are.
40:17Confoundingly, they're protected, their names and faces redacted.
40:22We're doing everything we can.
40:24Attorney General Pam Bondi is under intense pressure to explain why there have been no investigations
40:30to prosecute or clear those who appear in the files.
40:36The title of this one is Child Sex Trafficking.
40:39Co-conspirators. Fully redacted.
40:43Who are the co-conspirators on your hit list?
40:46Who should the authorities be going after?
40:49From what I can see right now, it looks like Leslie Wexner.
40:53The FBI owes us an explanation for how they decided to no longer pursue him.
41:01Billionaire Les Wexner was the mogul behind Victoria's Secret and Epstein's cash cow,
41:07until the 88-year-old had a falling out with the financial adviser, accusing him of embezzlement.
41:14I didn't know he was stealing until after we discovered that he was a crook.
41:20At a recent Congressional hearing, Wexner denied any knowledge of Epstein's crimes.
41:25But he stands accused of being his greatest enabler.
41:29Did you ever witness Mr. Epstein sexually abuse young women or girls?
41:34Absolutely not.
41:35The role that Wexner played in Epstein's development into someone who could construct a huge international sex trafficking operation,
41:43it's really hard to overstate.
41:46The billionaire gave Epstein a big financial leg up.
41:50But draft letters Epstein wrote to himself, uncovered in the files,
41:55have raised new questions about what else, if anything, Wexner knew.
42:00One thing that makes no sense is that Wexner would have willingly paid Epstein simply for the services he was
42:09providing,
42:09and that the payments would total hundreds of millions of dollars.
42:12That is preposterous. It makes no sense.
42:15Either Epstein was doing something aside from just providing kind of run-of-the-mill financial services,
42:21or he was stealing from Wexner, or perhaps both.
42:26For Jeffrey Epstein's victims, so much hope is riding on the files.
42:30Not just delivering accusations, but also justice.
42:34The fear is, their hope is doomed.
42:38There was nothing in there that allowed us to prosecute anybody.
42:42The stance has been that it is unlikely that there will be further prosecutions leading from the Epstein file dump.
42:50What's your reaction to that?
42:55It could make me cry, that we're going to just let these people get away with it, because of who
43:02they are, and the power that they have.
43:16It took one woman's voice to trigger the global earthquake that is the Epstein files.
43:25It takes trust. It takes a lot of trust with horses.
43:29And if you're kind to them, they're kind to you back.
43:33When I first met Virginia Dufresne seven years ago, she shared a story so sprawling and so dark that it
43:41was near impossible to fathom.
43:45She had the courage to speak out against power and privilege when it was just her word against theirs.
43:55What sort of men were you being trafficked to?
43:58I was trafficked to other billionaires. I was trafficked to politicians, professors, even royalty.
44:07It was the most powerful people in the world, and those are our leaders.
44:10Those aren't the people that you're supposed to look up to.
44:15It's corrupt. It's corrupt to the core.
44:21And it was this photo that changed everything.
44:25The 17-year-old Virginia captured in 2001, uncomfortably close to former Prince Andrew.
44:33It was taken, she said, just before she learned she was to have sex with him.
44:39Traffic to the then royal by Epstein and his girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell.
44:44He took a photo and your arm is round her waist.
44:49They are allegations the disgraced Andrew has long denied.
44:53You've seen the photo?
44:54I've seen the photograph.
44:55How do you explain that?
44:57That's me, but whether that's my hand or whether that's the position, I...
45:03But I don't... I have simply no recollection of a photograph ever being taken.
45:09He needs to stop with all of these lame excuses. We're sick of hearing it.
45:14This is a real photo.
45:16I don't believe that. I don't believe it's real for a second.
45:19In fact, I'm sure it's not.
45:21But now, all these years later, Virginia has been vindicated.
45:28Buried in the Epstein files was this email from the now convicted Maxwell,
45:33referring to the disputed photo.
45:36Which appears to contradict Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor's long-held suggestion
45:40that the now infamous photo was not real.
45:43It's the proof, if anyone needed it, Virginia was telling the truth all along.
45:49Proof, too, that in their denials about this photo, Maxwell and Andrew were lying.
45:57The bittersweet revelation comes too late for Virginia, who last year took her life on her property an hour north
46:05of Perth.
46:08It's the first time.
46:09Fellow survivor Jenna Lisa Jones is devastated.
46:12Her friend is not here to witness the global reckoning Virginia was long fighting for.
46:18How do you feel about that?
46:21Virginia's truth being exposed in that way?
46:25I wish she was here to see that.
46:28I know that would mean so much to her.
46:32She fought so hard, and if they would have just believed her from the beginning,
46:38she's been saying it.
46:41For many survivors, these files represent the only public accountability left.
46:49But they're also deeply flawed, failing to identify Epstein's co-conspirators,
46:54while inexplicably naming many of the victims.
47:00Do you feel honoured or let down by the release of the Epstein files?
47:05Let down completely, honoured, honoured, honoured for them to run us through the mud again.
47:12There's been over 40 minors, unredacted, with their names, addresses, identifying information,
47:20some as far as social security numbers.
47:23That was a straight slap in the face to the survivors.
47:27It was a list of names not to release.
47:30What did the DOJ do with this email?
47:32They released this email in the document production.
47:37Literally the worst thing you could do to the survivors, you did.
47:43These failings of the Epstein files amplified the tragedy that for two decades,
47:49the institutions tasked with oversight, from law enforcement to both sides of politics,
47:55has spent more energy managing the fallout than delivering justice.
48:00And I'm sure many of you, when you read that alleged FBI report, probably thought to yourself,
48:05wow, this really cracks our narrative that we've been trying to push about this president for many years.
48:10So we're moving on from that.
48:13But the American public is not ready to move on.
48:16Survivors are not going to move on.
48:17And I'm not going to move on until we see some men perp walked to prison.
48:24This is a criminal operation that went on for years and it could not have happened if Epstein was just
48:31on his own.
48:32The Jeffrey Epstein saga is not about one man.
48:36It is about a society that let him get away with treating young women as disposable people.
48:44From working class Brooklyn to the upper reaches of global power,
48:48Jeffrey Epstein's trajectory exposed a world that doesn't just tolerate predators, it protects them.
48:58What do you think the Epstein files show about us, about humanity or lack of it?
49:06I think the Epstein files are a mirror.
49:10If you've learned all of this about what we know now from the Epstein files,
49:15and you're still dispassionate or want to move on or don't care,
49:21it means you're not willing to take up for the weakest people in our society.
49:26If you won't take up for a 14-year-old girl who's being sexually abused.
49:31If you won't take up for that person.
49:33When we're showing you this happened, what are you made of?
49:39I worry that they're not even going to have to answer for any of this.
49:44And that's just heartbreaking.
49:48It never goes away.
49:51It haunts you and it sneaks up on you in the worst ways.
49:56There shouldn't be so much of the shame that we carry.
49:59This shame is not for us to carry, it's for them to carry.
50:14It's for them now.
50:14And your spouse is not for us to carry.
50:15And the next one you do.
50:15And there's the same thing as a person.
50:16And if you are showing you.
50:16It's for them.
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