00:03In the face of the failure of the right, if you like, the neoliberals and their assault on the public
00:10services, their terrible financial global failure at the moment of the market, we still are trying to make the case
00:19that actually we should go back to working together for the greater good.
00:23And I think the NHS has been a terrific example of that, as have many things in this country, education
00:28and the welfare state.
00:29And what's so shocking is the people who are dismantling this at the moment are the people who grew up
00:34and benefited from that system.
00:36The idea of socialism is weak in this country and the idea of capitalism is very strong.
00:42Capitalism itself is not strong, it's falling apart, but the idea of capitalism is very strong.
00:47The paradox in the situation is that the ideas which come together and which have traditionally been called socialism exist
00:55in a sort of atomised way right across the political spectrum.
00:59When you see the Occupy people occupying against, say, that they're anti-capitalist, anti-free market, the corollary of that
01:07is that you're in favour of some kind of planning, even if that's not an articulated view.
01:11They want some kind of democratic control over the economy, that is the essence of the socialist idea, whether or
01:17not you choose to call it socialist and whatever colour you paint it.
01:45Well, I think we were hijacked. The working class organisations were hijacked by the middle class, basically, that's my opinion.
01:51Like, especially the Labour Party. You know, the Labour Party was, you know, was a working class organisation at one
01:58time.
01:58And in no way, shape or form can you call the Labour Party a working class organisation anymore.
02:03The working class haven't got any big organisations that can take the establishments on.
02:09They don't realise that strength they've got, do they?
02:12They don't realise that power they've got.
02:15The working class can change the whole history as quick as it, as quick as that.
02:23They just don't realise that they haven't grasped it.
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