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00:03Connor. Yes. We hear you love languages and accents. Other than Russian, what's
00:09your favorite? Ooh, I'm kind of always switching between languages. Right now, I
00:15really want to learn Spanish. I'm from West Texas, so I've always heard Spanish.
00:20And living in LA, there's Spanish everywhere. So it doesn't feel very, like,
00:24exotic to me because I've heard it my whole life, but I think it's, I think it's
00:30sexy. Spanish is muy sexy. Yes, I think Colombian Spanish, I think, is the sexiest
00:36language there is. I like the traditional Spain Spanish. Vamos a la playa de
00:41Barcelona. Con Javier Baedén. Ana de Armas. Ana de Armas. She's Cuban, right?
00:50She's Cuban. Okay. Pretty girl. Okay. This year marks 20 years since Brokeback
00:55Mountain. Are there any MM romance movies, shows, or books that have really stuck
01:00with you, either growing up or recently? Well, I love Brokeback Mountain. It was one
01:04of the first things that you told me. Yeah. I love, Keith Ledger plays Ennis. I
01:09still think it's his best work. I think that was one of the first pivotal ones
01:13when you have two leading men take on, you know, gay cowboys. It's pretty bold, but
01:19then, you know, you have Call Me By Your Name, Moonlight, I think with Barry
01:23Jenkins saying, bringing the art house to the hood is what he said. That was
01:28already just a beautiful juxtaposition. And then having, you know, he said he
01:32wanted to redefine masculinity with that movie, which I thought was so cool.
01:36Yeah. Call Me By Your Name, I think, was like pretty revolutionary. Yeah. Yeah. I was in
01:40high school at that time, and I remember that being the first thing that felt like it
01:45was really a part of the cultural zeitgeist. And also handled, like, it also handled
01:51queer stories in a really cool way where it was so under the surface and it made it
01:57so human, you know, which I think also was kind of like a moonlight scenario where
02:02we're taking these people in such a specific time and place and, like, letting
02:07them explore love. Right. What does smut mean to you?
02:12Hmm. I'm going to try to make an acronym. Sexy. This is going to be in relation to, um,
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02:47Titillating.
02:48Yeah.
02:49Yeah, we'll do that.
02:50Titillating.
02:51Oh, you very publicly shot your shot for Nightwing, which was extremely fun to watch.
02:57Have you been a DC fan?
02:59And what is it like to see fans instantly rally behind you, especially the ones that
03:03say you have the face, the talent, and the butt?
03:05I will be completely honest.
03:08When I saw some fan art of you as Nightwing, I was blown away.
03:13Whoa.
03:15I mean, you never know if that's going to come to fruition or not, but when I see someone
03:20did you in the comic book style, I was like, I see it right away.
03:24Wow.
03:24Yeah, I would love to play him.
03:26I love DC.
03:28I loved all comic books that were true to the source material.
03:37And I think there are a lot of good filmmakers who bring their own style to these.
03:43These, you know, beloved comics that I think it would be really great to work with them.
03:49You know, I'm not fully set on Nightwing, you know, I'm open to other things.
03:54Did you always want to be in, like, superheroes?
03:58No.
03:59Is that always something that's been like, I need to do that?
04:01Absolutely not.
04:02It's just, it's when really good filmmaker, it's filmmaker driven.
04:06So when like a guy like James Gunn or Matt Reeves, you know, comes to comics, I think that's
04:12what draws me.
04:14Um, and, and I heard James Gunn is doing the Teen Titans.
04:18I know there's, yeah, but yeah.
04:21James Gunn, he's in love with you.
04:23True or false, Hudson is more like Ilya in real life and Connor is more like Shane.
04:28I think me and you are both like Rose.
04:31And I'm like Svetlana.
04:33I don't know.
04:33I just said me and you are both like Rose.
04:36But I'm just, I'm just parting ways.
04:38That's so Svetlana for you to say.
04:40Um, I don't know.
04:42I mean, maybe I do feel like Ilya, I don't know.
04:46I think that, um, I, I'm, I'm too sensitive or outwardly sensitive or don't have a lot of
04:52shame around emotion to be Ilya.
04:54I could be a little cocky like Ilya.
04:56Yeah.
04:57But beyond that, it's like, I think Shane and Ilya sort of share us, you know, a soul
05:03soulfulness that's kind of buried under all these, you know, walls and kind of masks.
05:08But I think, I think underneath that, what we both relate with both of them is, you know,
05:14the heart and their soul.
05:17After wrapping Heated Rivalry, you two got matching tattoos that say sex sales.
05:21And if true, how did that happen?
05:24Um, I, did I have a reason for coming up to Vancouver?
05:27I just wanted to come see you.
05:29Yeah, come hang out.
05:29Am I not good enough?
05:30Come on.
05:31Yeah, I just, I don't know why for a second I was like, I have something to do up there.
05:35I have nothing to do in Vancouver.
05:37I was there.
05:38So, yeah, I just went up to see, um, I just came up to see you.
05:43We knew we wanted to get matching tattoos.
05:44I hadn't gotten a tattoo in forever.
05:46Um, and we were just shuffling through ideas.
05:49And yeah, we did it.
05:50I think you came up with sex sales.
05:52But like we were both pitching ideas and then one person would like them, the other person
05:57wouldn't.
05:57And then when you said sex sales, I was like, oh.
05:59We were sold.
06:00That's the first idea you've had.
06:01That's good.
06:01I think it's honestly my most well done tattoo as well.
06:04Damn.
06:04So, that feels good.
06:05The front of my shin.
06:07Pull in here.
06:08Zoom in.
06:09No case.
06:10True or false, you ate a pound of beef, of ground beef a day while filming Heated Rivalry.
06:16True.
06:17Um, Connor told me what his routine was and after I saw him in person, um, I asked him
06:23how he got to that size.
06:25I thought he was taking illicit substances.
06:27He wasn't.
06:28He does it super clean.
06:29Sorry I mentioned illicit substances.
06:32Um, but he was-
06:33I have nothing to hide.
06:34Bring it on.
06:34But he was so-
06:39So, I was like, what are you eating, freak?
06:42And I was like, I'm eating-
06:46And he just couldn't speak and he just kept doing that.
06:48And I was like, I think that means ground beef.
06:50Um, and then-
06:51You're like, that level of capability is what I need.
06:54Yeah.
06:54And then Connor was actually the person who put me onto fiber.
06:56Because if you need to eat the protein, you want to get, you know, ilia cheeks, um,
07:02and chest, you need so much fiber, just so your stomach doesn't shut down, and you go
07:08into cardiac arrest, and you get carried out from your, your little workout on a stretcher,
07:13with some, you know, pumped up pecs, and a shut down fucking-
07:16You look-
07:17You look good, but-
07:17Digestive system.
07:18It's really unfortunate if it ends that way.
07:20Yeah.
07:20Yeah, I actually, um, I'm going to one-up this true or false.
07:24I actually think that we ate more than a pound of beef.
07:27Yeah.
07:27Because a pound of beef only has, I think, 84 grams of protein.
07:30And you need a solid 200-
07:33If you're going through-
07:33For our size and shape.
07:35So, sometimes I can eat two pounds of ground beef a day.
07:38Plus like 10 eggs.
07:40Yeah.
07:40And so many salads, I was having so much salad.
07:42Because by the end, I got like, gained 10 pounds.
07:45So like, when I started shooting, I was like, and by the end, I was like 10 pounds heavier.
07:48And it was because of ground beef.
07:51You, I mean, you're very inspiring.
07:52I'm glad that we had each other because it would have been really hard to be motivated
07:56if, you know, we were going back to our-
07:5812-hour days and then the gym.
07:59And then like going back to our residence, like, alone.
08:02It's really, it's nice that I got to be like,
08:05Hudson, let's go to gym.
08:07And we would go from a fucking 11-hour day skating lesson and Connor would go,
08:11let's do legs.
08:13And I looked at him, he's a madman.
08:15That's how he has a butt.
08:16He'll finish a skating lesson that takes four hours and then go, legs now?
08:21And I was like, what are you saying?
08:23Okay.
08:24I knew I had a responsibility to the people.
08:28He's America's ass.
08:30And I, I take that very seriously.
08:33Romance readers are famously passionate about book adaptations.
08:37Did you feel any pressure bringing a beloved story to life?
08:39And how did you approach making the characters your own?
08:42It's good, I think, to go into a project accepting that, you know, people might be disappointed,
08:49especially with something like a book where everyone already has preconceived notions.
08:52They've envisioned, they've envisioned these characters.
08:54They've drawn these characters.
08:56They've gotten tattoos of these characters.
08:58Like, the love is already there so much that ultimately someone is going to be disappointed.
09:03All you can do is, is read the material as much as you possibly can.
09:09Yeah.
09:09And, and respect it.
09:13Show the respect.
09:14Show the dedication.
09:15And just hope that people, you know, connect with it and love it and see that enthusiasm.
09:19I think we both had that level of, whether you want to call it nihilism or not.
09:23Like, people might just hate this.
09:25People might hate your casting or they might hate my casting.
09:28I'm not going to expect anything more.
09:31And I'm just going to do the best I can.
09:33But you have really no metric of if people are going to be warm to your, your take.
09:39I really think at the end of the day, all you can do is be really intentional.
09:43Give it a hundred and fifty percent.
09:45Yeah.
09:46Just go for it, you know.
09:47And luckily for us, this worked out really frickin' well.
09:52Woo!
09:53Wee!
09:55Hudson, we have heard rumors about a very serious multi-step Korean skincare routine.
10:00Can you break it down for us?
10:01It's not that lengthy.
10:02Yeah.
10:03I always made fun of you for it too, because I like, honestly, I'm just kind of jealous
10:07because you have really good skin.
10:09But I was like, yeah, your skin routine.
10:11Okay.
10:11And then it's actually not that long, huh?
10:13It's not that long.
10:14It's okay.
10:15I'm going to tell you.
10:16In the morning, I use water to cleanse my face.
10:19Warm water.
10:20And then I put on a glow toner, but it's pretty dry.
10:24It's not like, I don't like when people have like dewy skin.
10:27Like if I see someone that looks like they just wore a face mask, I'm like, why are you
10:30out right now?
10:31Like, go wipe that off and then come talk to me because I won't right now.
10:35And then, so my toner, and then I'll put on a serum and then sunscreen.
10:41And then sometimes instead of a serum, I put on a moisturizer.
10:44And then my PM routine is an oil cleanser, you know, to get out these blackheads, to get
10:50the gunk out.
10:52And then I'll either use like a CeraVe normal ass cleanser or I'll use like a pore shrinking
10:58cleanser.
10:59That's their new, that's their new slogan.
11:01CeraVe normal ass cleanser.
11:04I think that is.
11:06I, yeah.
11:07I also.
11:07And then like a pore shrink or a pore shrinking cleanser if that's my goal.
11:11And then the same thing.
11:12Toner, serum, and then either a retinol or a salicylic acid.
11:16And then I go to fucking sleep.
11:19So I think everyone in the studio agrees that was a lot.
11:23Well, I will also say, I mean, it makes sense.
11:25You have flawless skin, so.
11:28And then when I take it off, it just falls apart.
11:30Yeah.
11:31He unhooks the, he unhooks the clip back here.
11:34The clip in the back.
11:35Keeps it all up.
11:36Connor.
11:37Yes.
11:38Story.
11:38Yes.
11:39Do you have a favorite spicy scene from Heated Rivalry and a favorite from Ember and Ice?
11:43What makes those stand out for you?
11:44Yeah.
11:44My favorite spicy scene from Ember and Ice is actually a scene where Dane, um, is with
11:50two former lovers, Cassandra and Elijah.
11:53Yep.
11:58I need you to, I need you to be here with me.
12:01Okay.
12:01Um, Dane has an interaction with, uh, two of his former lovers, um, after having been
12:08with Finn for some time.
12:11And, uh, yeah, not to spoil, but he, he ends up realizing that what, what really works for
12:18him isn't working for him anymore.
12:20And it's kind of this moment of identity loss and, you know, what, what pleases me isn't
12:25pleasing me the same.
12:26I think that's really cool.
12:28Cause it's also, it's, cause it's cool cause it's like sexy and spicy, but it also is really
12:32revealing of the character and the connection and where he's at, you know?
12:36Um, and I think it's funny.
12:38I think I remember Dane saying something about, um, he's like, he's like, and then the next
12:43thing I did was I just had to come up with a, an excuse.
12:46And then he's like, he's like, my friends, I have bad news.
12:50I have a lot from Ember and Ice, but one is the lake scene where we kind of go in
12:56together
12:56and you kind of coax it out of me without spoiling too much.
12:59Um, I think that one's just, you know, a lot of times like the intimacy before intimacy,
13:04I think it has more of a charge in a way.
13:07Um, that one really got me, um, frothing at the mouth and heated rivalry.
13:13Favorite intimate scene.
13:15There was one that was really fun to film.
13:17Do you remember filming the stair step scene when we're like kissing against the glass
13:20and our lips never come apart?
13:23Me and you were like, do people do this?
13:25Do people like-
13:26I know it's always a fun balance, right?
13:28Of like when you're filming, um, separate from like the audio space, when you're filming,
13:33it's like how much of it is fun TV and then how much of it is like, is like true
13:41sex.
13:41Cause at the end of the day, you know, you do have in real life, people do have those,
13:45those like movie moments where you're like, you know, and you're like, yeah, yeah.
13:49And then everyone on set was like, oh yeah, no, we, I've done that.
13:52And then Connor and I were like, oh, we usually fold our clothes, place them down.
13:57And then go upstairs naked and go, sex now?
14:01Sex now?
14:02I'm robot.
14:03Plug me in.
14:04True or false.
14:06Hudson's roommates once kept a mooning tally of how many times he flashed them.
14:11Do you know?
14:13How many times?
14:14I know that you, I've, yeah.
14:15I remember this.
14:16Yep.
14:16It was true.
14:17It was one roommate.
14:18Um, and I, I mooned him 31 times.
14:23What was his reaction when you mooned him?
14:25Was he like, Hudson?
14:28Her poor name was Chelsea.
14:30I have, I've talked with her and Chelsea has been like, you can say my name.
14:33And I was like, so I've since talked about this since.
14:36Double consent.
14:37Double consent.
14:38Um, and, uh, poor Chelsea would just go, I think her main reaction was like, oh, Hudson.
14:46And it made me so happy.
14:50Where, where is Chelsea now?
14:52And I, I, I developed different techniques over the years.
14:55Um, she's chilling.
14:56She's got a cat that's like hanging off her walls.
14:59Um, but I would go and I'd do like a drive by.
15:01I had all these different techniques.
15:03And then she would bring like other, you know, um, romantic interests home.
15:07And then they're like, what's this tally up on the board?
15:10And they're like, oh, that's how many times Hudson, my roommate has mooned me.
15:14And they were like, would you just like kind of, but crack it or would you full?
15:18So I had one where I would get pants low, like I would D pants.
15:22And she would be unassuming, like maybe on her phone on the couch.
15:25And I would run by and jump in the air.
15:28So I was like, uh, like, like a, like a literal moon, a literal moon, but in fast motion.
15:34And sometimes I would just do the like, oh, drop something before we leave.
15:37Bend in.
15:38I'm right there.
15:39Gotcha.
15:40Oh, God.
15:41The airborne moon is crazy.
15:43Yes.
15:43No, they, they got very athletic.
15:45But we need to clarify.
15:46If you were going to moon someone, make it a close friend.
15:49Chelsea is still my close friend.
15:51Make it known that this is okay.
15:52Yep.
15:53She got a hood out of it.
15:54Do not moon people you don't know in places.
15:58It's not okay.
16:00Hudson, as an Asian actor leading such a hugely popular queer romance, what kind of stories
16:04or roles are you excited for more people to see you in going forward?
16:08Mm.
16:10Yeah.
16:10I, I wanna, I wanna represent my, my Wayans out there.
16:15You know, um, I've been declared, do you know about this?
16:19Mm-mm.
16:20I'm declared the, I think, princess or prince of Weijia.
16:24Me.
16:26I mean, I, I sign off on it.
16:28Okay.
16:28I think you.
16:29He's the final stamp off guy for this.
16:31So, uh.
16:32Yeah.
16:33I'm the, I'm the ambassador of Weijia as a fully, as a completely Caucasian.
16:38Yes.
16:39But, uh, as, as, uh, this, um, little Weijian I am, I hope to just do roles that
16:47aren't always charged with, you know, I'm, I'm happy to do roles that are, you know,
16:52race has something to, to play in there.
16:54Mm-mm.
16:55But also I just wanna be an actor.
16:57And a lot of the times I just wanna play parts where it's like, I'm, I'm just there.
17:01And we don't need to go in my backstory or whatever.
17:04It's just, you know, I'm playing what any other, uh, non-person of color would play as
17:11well.
17:12You know?
17:12You're a person.
17:13You wanna be treated?
17:13I'm a person.
17:14Love it, baby.
17:15On both Heated Rivalry and Ember and Ice, you worked with an intimacy coordinator.
17:20Um, why do you think that role matters on projects like this?
17:23Was there anything about the process that you think would surprise people?
17:27Wow.
17:27I mean, I think it's so, um, yeah, that's a, yeah, that question is, I mean, it's so important.
17:34I mean, you, you literally can't do things without that role.
17:40Um, the thing that I think would shock people about the role of intimacy coordinating is
17:45it's not just about, and this is what I learned from Shayla originally.
17:49And then also Jamie doing this.
17:51It's not just about the actual safety, the boundaries, monitoring what's going on, what
17:57that looks like, making sure everyone's okay.
17:59There's also actually a conjunction of an artistic edge where you are like Jamie with this, you
18:07know, was also the voice that was reminding us, this is how long it's been since this happened.
18:12You know, you need to, I need to hear that shiver or that I need to hear those.
18:17Um, I need to hear that feeling through your wings.
18:21I need to see that come about.
18:23I need to feel that pleasure in this way.
18:25So it's not always technical, even though that's what I feel like is brought up a lot.
18:28There is also an artistic sensibility to that job and that really promotes that conversation.
18:34Absolutely.
18:35Bring in the first ginger ale.
18:38This is so fun.
18:40We have Canada Dry, we have Schweppes.
18:42We have, can you, can someone give me a rundown of the brands?
18:46Nope, you're going to try it and we're going to go.
18:48I don't, I've only named two from memory.
18:50Well, how about this?
18:50I'll hold it so we don't, we don't give away anything.
18:53We have flavors so you can describe the flavor and the texture for it.
18:58Yep, that's my Hudson.
19:00That's my Hudson.
19:03That's not Canada Dry, this is some shitty American ginger ale.
19:06This is like Schweppes or like, um, yeah, that's my guess.
19:13You said it's not Canada Dry, why is it not Canada Dry?
19:16Yeah.
19:16Canada Dry's got more ginger in it and more bubble in it.
19:19It's just subtle ginger.
19:22Yeah.
19:22Go ahead and, should it be de-blindful?
19:24Go ahead and take a little B.
19:27You got, we got you!
19:31Where is this imported from?
19:33This, this is, this is, no.
19:36No way.
19:37It says, it says from Frisco, Texas.
19:39Nope.
19:40Frisco, Texas, baby.
19:41I don't, I don't, this is, it changed, it changed.
19:44Bring in ginger ale number two.
19:47That is so embarrassing.
19:50Thank you so much.
19:52This one was, that one was Canada Dry.
19:55What is this one?
19:57I'm gonna, um, num, num.
19:59Um, num, num.
20:01You're my baby.
20:03Drink more.
20:05This is cough syrup.
20:07This is, this is yellow snow.
20:11What is this?
20:12A pissy pineapple.
20:15But, that's the brand, Hudson.
20:17I have to guess the brand?
20:20Davai, yeah.
20:21This is Schweppes.
20:22Okay.
20:23This one is Schweppes.
20:24Schweppes.
20:25That's also Canada Dry.
20:30I am so happy that I'm not the one tasting these, because if I was getting them wrong,
20:34I'd feel like an idiot.
20:36No, I'm kidding.
20:37I'm kidding.
20:40Stupid.
20:40Stupid.
20:41No, you're not.
20:42I mean, they, they really set you up.
20:44Give me another one.
20:45Do you have more?
20:46Bring me, bring in, how many more?
20:49Bring in the last one.
20:51Bring it to me.
20:53Ooh, this one's a hard one.
20:58Oh, no.
21:04Uh-huh.
21:06That's, um, that's Fevertree ginger, um, um, beer.
21:16Hudson?
21:18What?
21:19What?
21:19What flavor?
21:20There's a, there's a secondary flavor.
21:26Do you want a smell test too?
21:27You want to do like a-
21:28No, it's just ginger.
21:29No, but do like an aromatics test.
21:34Go, full Somme vibes.
21:37Do you smell that?
21:39Oh, it's hard to, it's hard to smell.
21:41It's fucking ginger.
21:42Pear?
21:43Fucking, it's ginger.
21:44Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.
21:45He would never be able to under, you can't taste that flavor at all.
21:49Let's see.
21:49Let's see.
21:50Brand orange.
21:50Woo!
21:51What?
21:52Blood orange.
21:52Good job.
21:53You can't taste that at all.
21:54You put food coloring in.
21:56You didn't put no blood orange in there.
21:58I will say, I kind of like this one though.
22:00That one, that one's nice.
22:01I like all of them.
22:02But I guess the brand, did I not?
22:04You killed it.
22:05When did you first realize you clicked?
22:07And what are some of your favorite memories from working together?
22:11Hmm.
22:12I would say our first FaceTime outside of a chemistry read, because at that point I was always Shane,
22:17he was always Ilya.
22:18But then when we first met over FaceTime before we went to Toronto, um, we had so many, like,
22:26so much overlap of movies we liked, actors we liked, um, art we liked, and similar approaches
22:32to how we, you know, like to perform, um, that I immediately knew.
22:37I think we clicked there.
22:38And I think that's saying a lot, because I think some of our, our interests can be pretty
22:42niche.
22:43The fact that there is overlap is amazing.
22:45Yeah.
22:45Yeah.
22:46And favorite memories, I would say, all our laughs on set.
22:51Being in Muskoka, um, was really beautiful.
22:54There was a lot of, like, lounging around.
22:57Um, you know, it was just great.
22:59My favorite memories of working with you are also the laughs.
23:03What's, what's like an inside joke that we just died over the whole time?
23:07Um, we had a storm the set.
23:10That was also with...
23:11Oh, yeah.
23:12I would always be like, Storm the set!
23:15But if we couldn't afford extras, our idea was we would just, like, do like a cattle call.
23:20We used to joke that, like, we, um, because we would have, like, airport scenes and stuff,
23:24or there would be, like, you know, for an airport, you need, like, you need a bunch of people,
23:28and we'd have, like, five people.
23:29And I just imagined, um, I imagined Jacob being, like, being, like, Costume!
23:35Let's get up there!
23:36And everyone's, like, taking off their mics, and he's, like, Storm the set!
23:41Opening the garage and just, like, opening it up to the public.
23:44How does it feel to accidentally launch a workout movement?
23:49I can't, I honestly still cannot believe that that was someone's takeaway from this, you know?
23:55I, like, I think I look a little too shabby.
23:58I'm, I'm in the process of gaining weight right now.
24:00You know, yeah, I was, when you look, you look frickin' fantastic.
24:03Well, bring it back to my Spanish.
24:05Muchas gracias.
24:06De nada, corazón de melón.
24:08Ah, mi hermoso.
24:10Mi esposo, mi amor.
24:11Todo mi corazón.
24:13Um, yeah, I, people, people like our bodies.
24:17Let's just be honest about it.
24:18People, you know, I care about my health.
24:21I care about my fitness, as do you.
24:23Um, honestly, watching the show is making us work out even more.
24:28Yeah.
24:29So, what drew you to doing a Faye Romantisi story,
24:31and what was it about the script that hooked you?
24:33For me, it was exploring sensuality with, with your voice.
24:38You know, that's the only tool you have.
24:41And it kind of scared me a little bit.
24:43And, you know, there, there, it was a really fun way to explore yourself.
24:48It was fun.
24:48It was actually fun.
24:49And, you know, it's very demanding, and it's, it's well written.
24:52I think in the booth, the term winged Hemingway came up.
24:59You know, fantastical Hemingway.
25:02Because there was like war, there's like this romance that's forbidden,
25:06and it seems doomed, uh, in a lot of ways.
25:10Um, and that was way heavier than I thought, you know, this would look like.
25:15And it was really rewarding.
25:17Mm-hmm.
25:18The story just moves really well, too.
25:20Um, it was just written really well.
25:22Uh, as someone who, you know, is not a big reader,
25:27I think something like this would be really appealing to me.
25:29Um, just the way it, it cycles through the feelings.
25:33It cycles through the years.
25:35And point of view.
25:36Yeah.
25:36I just think it's really like almost physically well done.
25:39Um, why do you think MM romance resonates so strongly with women right now?
25:44Mm.
25:46Yeah, we've, we've both talked about this and kind of been intrigued by it.
25:50Um.
25:50There's so many reasons.
25:51There's so many reasons.
25:52And then even just women, you know, there are straight women,
25:55there are trans women, there are, um, gay women, like, queer women.
25:59It's, it's, um, well, that feels like a giant term to be like,
26:04I know exactly why.
26:06Um, you know, there's like the element of you can live by yourself.
26:09You can feel vicariously and you can feel safe.
26:10Mm hmm.
26:11Um, like with women, this is just one opinion that I had never even considered or thought
26:16of, um, that I saw that I think you're alluding to, which is if you are female, um, and you
26:22are, you are taken out of the equation, there's, and you're, you're, there's a spectatorship to
26:31that.
26:32There's like a, there's a certain amount of separation that allows for safety, you know,
26:37like, especially women, um, historically being put into a box in a certain way, especially
26:41when it comes to sex and pleasure.
26:43Right.
26:44It feels like a nice separation to see sexuality and romance be lived out without, um,
26:50Right.
26:50Female dynamic being.
26:52Yeah.
26:52I, I heard, I heard someone online say, a woman say that like, when you see like a hetero,
26:57um, couple, you know, you default to like relating with, or forced to sort of relate with a woman
27:04character.
27:04Um, and then that comes with a lot of restriction and too, and like imagination.
27:08A lot of writers, you know, are writing very conventionally, um, which means a lot of outdated
27:14tropes, um, old archetypes.
27:16And I think, you know, with getting to watch two men, it's like, they can kind of relate
27:21with this person.
27:21In one moment they're empathetic to this person.
27:23They're not forced into a box of here.
27:25This is your person to relate with.
27:27Mm-hmm.
27:27At the end of the day though, we're both men.
27:29I have no idea what it's like to be a woman.
27:32Um.
27:33Yeah.
27:33And so y'all let us know.
27:35Yeah.
27:36Y'all tell us.
27:37I think me, cause I would just be, I'd be drinking.
27:42I'd be somewhere.
27:43I'd be like under a table.
27:45Yeah.
27:46Asleep.
27:46Naked.
27:47But I will say you, you're really fricking athletic and you're really strong and you
27:53know how to fight.
27:54So if it came down to like a wrestling match between you and.
27:57Leather face.
27:58Freddy Krueger.
27:59I think you're taking the cake, my boy.
28:02I'm winning.
28:03Woo.
28:03I'm.
28:04Okay.
28:05Snack time.
28:07Me.
28:09100%.
28:10Yeah.
28:10You have a little, you have a tiny bit more reverence than I do.
28:14Um.
28:15If something is overly serious, I cannot help but laugh.
28:18Mm.
28:19Cause I just become really like, oh, I become really aware of how.
28:22Do you look kind of.
28:25It's not that.
28:26You left and now, now I'm going to leave.
28:28Five.
28:29Five.
28:29Connor will do the, like, the like, it's like so serious.
28:33He kind of gets a little, and then he goes, and I can't do his laugh.
28:35Do I do that?
28:36Do I do?
28:37And then he goes.
28:38Do I do a Polly pocket hand?
28:42That's Connor.
28:43You know what?
28:44We're rocking this.
28:45We're rocking this.
28:46We're rocking it.
28:46I accept myself.
28:48Me.
28:49Oh, yeah.
28:50I'm dirty.
28:50You're like, you're pretty clean.
28:52I'd eat anything off the ground.
28:54No.
28:58Not me.
28:58You're online more than I am.
28:59Oh.
29:00Yeah.
29:00Well, I just love YouTube.
29:01I love the little, like, video essay on this movie.
29:05Essay on this little actor.
29:07Have you learned this about Genghis Khan?
29:09And I'm like, wow.
29:11There's so much to know.
29:12Nerd.
29:12Nerd.
29:12Are these book talk trivia things?
29:14Yeah.
29:15H-E-A.
29:16Heaven eats ass.
29:18I don't know.
29:18Yeah.
29:19Heaven eats ass?
29:20Is that it?
29:21Really?
29:21What is it?
29:22Happily Ever After.
29:24Fuck.
29:25Yeah.
29:25Okay.
29:28Okay.
29:28This one's harder.
29:30The rake and the cake.
29:31The what?
29:32The rake and the cake.
29:34Well, you break up some people together and then you ass.
29:39Yeah.
29:40Are these all going to be ass related?
29:43They are for me.
29:45The grumpy sunshine trip, like the rake and the cake.
29:48Oh, right, right.
29:49Oh, I see, I see.
29:50Oh, I like that.
29:52I like those.
29:52I like those ones.
29:53Yeah.
29:53I like the grump.
29:54Why tubes?
29:56Why?
29:57Is this a love triangle thing?
29:59Ooh.
30:00Threesome.
30:01It scares me a little.
30:02Foot in both jars of peanut butter, if you know what I mean.
30:05Don't make me nervous on Twitter.
30:06We're going to react to some tweets.
30:08You don't scare me.
30:09Connor's story.
30:10You need to stop.
30:11Your face too smiley.
30:12Your ass too fat.
30:14Juicy.
30:14Your line delivery too good.
30:16They'll kill you.
30:16You really, I mean, you ended up.
30:18Line delivery too good?
30:19Yeah.
30:20I'm cool with that.
30:21I feel good.
30:23Whenever we read tweets, I don't know if I'm supposed to like thank you or if I'm supposed
30:28to like genuinely be like, whoa.
30:32I guess all of it kind of.
30:34Hudson Williams' back dimples.
30:37That's it.
30:37That's the tweet.
30:39Oh.
30:40I didn't realize I had these little back dimples, but then I saw the receipts and I saw my dimpled
30:47cheek back thing.
30:49We were all seeing it.
30:51Yeah.
30:52I was seeing it.
30:53Damn.
30:54For real.
30:55I love whatever is wrong with y'all.
30:59My Cynthia and Ariana.
31:04Fine.
31:04I'm invested in heated rivalry.
31:06Not because of their giant bouncy bluh bluh bluh bluh, but because it's a true yearner.
31:12I'm a sucker for a good romance.
31:13The yearning is the thing.
31:16I think that's probably the sexiest part for people, honestly.
31:19You want to know how we got these bodies?
31:20If you yearn enough, your ass gets fat.
31:23Despite all the memes, I have enjoyed people seeing that physical intimacy isn't just spice
31:29on top of the romance, but a vehicle to explore relationship dynamics and character
31:33and also physical and emotional intimacy are different but connected things.
31:38Jacob talks about this, and that was one of the first things I think he brought to
31:42us to try and explain his vision, which was, you know, when you read the scripts, when you
31:48read the pages, it can sound very sex heavy, but to know that the sex really is just the
31:55foundation of their relationship and how they connect.
31:58Yeah.
31:58I think that is.
31:59I think that's kind of, you know.
32:01For the first years of their life, that's how they communicate.
32:04That's where their relationship builds.
32:06And, you know.
32:07That's not usually how sex is used in media.
32:10Yep.
32:11Meteor.
32:12I need Hudson Williams to know that so many people imagine, draw, write, and read about
32:17him getting pregnant.
32:19Including me.
32:21Is that crazy?
32:22Oh, he knows.
32:22And even comments on it.
32:23Yeah, Mara.
32:24Key to Rivalry Update is pointing this out to me.
32:26I know.
32:26When I learned that about the fan fiction, I was like, whatever floats your boat, you know.
32:32Yeah, I mean, I think that's like, I think that's in the deep fanfic side.
32:36Yeah.
32:37I don't understand it, but I'm like, you know what, you freaks?
32:41You gung ho, you go get it.
32:43You know, if you can go get fictional me pregnant.
32:46Fictional me.
32:48Knock him up.
32:50This is another one about my butt, again.
32:53Y'all aren't ready for this one.
32:55Connor Story deserves A-O-T-Y.
32:57What's A-O-T-Y mean?
32:59Connor Story, ass of the-
33:01I don't like this tweet.
33:02It should be ass of the century.
33:04Hey, whoa, whoa!
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