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00:00On January 4 de este año, el elusivo Bobby Fischer surgió, vino a la estudio,
00:05hizo una entrevista conmigo aquí.
00:06Yo había conocido él antes, y él mencionó que estaba perfectamente confiante
00:10que podría beat Petrosian, para que eventualmente se encuentre y beat Boris Spassky
00:14para el campeonato mundial, y él hizo bien en la primera parte de esa promesa.
00:18Como saben, ahora en Reykjavik, él está intentando hacer bien en la segunda parte.
00:23As estamos grabando esto ahora, el score es Boris Spassky 3.5 points,
00:26Bobby Fischer 5.5 points, y no ha sido exactamente el calmest chess championship en la historia.
00:32First, Bobby Fischer went into hiding y no hizo porque el dinero no era bueno.
00:35He'll be talking some about money en la entrevista que se ve.
00:38He refused a play en frente de la cámara en un momento,
00:41y luego dijo que había una conspiración contra él.
00:43He demandó su propio pool y todo tipo de cosas.
00:47Some people seem to think this is all a psychological game he's playing with Spassky,
00:51and maybe this interview will help Fischer watchers who try to figure him out all the time,
00:56figure out what is going on.
00:58Anyway, it is quite fascinating insight into a genius personality.
01:02Here's the tape, Bobby Fischer.
01:19Have you brought a fan club with you?
01:21Doesn't seem in character for you.
01:23Do you like sitting there?
01:24Because if you move there, then I move here.
01:26Or if you move there,
01:28see, that's my attempt to do a chess joke.
01:30I don't know any.
01:31It's okay.
01:31Hey, there's a thing in the Times today.
01:34I break him up.
01:36There's a thing in the Times today,
01:37seeing that the location hasn't been pinned down yet for this match.
01:41Yeah, well, we're going to work it out in a couple of weeks.
01:44Depends on who bids the most money to get the match, what country?
01:47Is that how it goes?
01:48Well, it depends if me and the Russians agree on the site,
01:52then it's settled.
01:52But if we don't agree,
01:54then this international chess body is going to work it out.
01:57International Chess Organization.
01:58So they ask you and Spassky,
02:00and if he says,
02:01if you both agree on Argentina,
02:04let's say, then that's...
02:05That's it, right.
02:05But if we don't agree,
02:06then they're going to decide for us where it'll be.
02:08I see.
02:09And you get...
02:09How many rejects do you get?
02:11I don't even really know the system.
02:13I didn't study it too carefully, you know.
02:15Do you much care where it's played?
02:17Well, no.
02:18I'd like to play here,
02:19but unfortunately we didn't put up too much money,
02:22so I don't know if I can accept it.
02:24Chicago bid, I think.
02:25Chicago, only $100,000.
02:27Yeah.
02:27Yugoslavia, $152,000.
02:29Argentina, $150,000.
02:31But you don't automatically go for the highest bidder, then?
02:34Well, I'm going to go for a pretty high bid, yeah.
02:38If Russia were chosen, how would you feel about that?
02:42I wouldn't be too happy,
02:43but they didn't even put a bid in.
02:44They saved me the trouble of rejecting them.
02:46I wonder why they didn't.
02:48I know why.
02:48You see, the last time,
02:50they've been playing the match among themselves for decades, right?
02:53Yeah.
02:53They've been playing for peanuts,
02:55because chess is supposedly amateur over there,
02:57although they're all professional,
02:58but they want the rest of the world to think it's amateur.
03:01And, of course,
03:01they don't want their players getting rich, either.
03:03They don't want them losing control of them.
03:04And they play for $5,000 for the title.
03:07Now, how can they come around, say,
03:08and offer $150,000 or $200,000 for a match?
03:11They've been playing among themselves for a few thousand dollars.
03:13That's one of the reasons.
03:14Aren't you kind of a hero over there, though,
03:16in the CCCP?
03:19What is that, secret something?
03:20No, that's the Russian letters for USSR.
03:24This stands for
03:25Sojuz Sovjetskik Sozialistikis Kis Publik.
03:32You see, Mr. Fischer, I am Boris Spassky.
03:38And the match is tonight.
03:39This is your life.
03:42I'm sorry.
03:44But, you know, you're kind of a hero over there, aren't you?
03:46I am among the common people,
03:48not too much among the, you know,
03:50party leaders and the leaders of the country.
03:52They don't go for me too much.
03:54They write, they say very nice things about you for export,
03:57but I understand that in their local magazines,
03:59which then come over here in translation,
04:01they talk about the unfortunate aspects of your character,
04:04which they find it unpleasant to have to report.
04:06Yeah.
04:07Yeah.
04:08Do you read those things?
04:09Oh, yeah.
04:10I read them.
04:10I keep up with what they're saying.
04:11They're just making me mad, helping me.
04:14So I enjoy it.
04:15Yeah.
04:16Could anger hurt your play if you were angry during a game?
04:19No.
04:20It's a cool anger, you know, determination.
04:22I don't lose my temper.
04:24Yeah.
04:24Yeah.
04:25Couldn't get...
04:26When you were here last time,
04:27you said something which was widely quoted.
04:29I asked you what corresponds to the great moment of, say,
04:31hitting a home run in a ball game,
04:34and you said to crush the other guy's ego.
04:36Do you remember the moment when that happened with Petrosian?
04:40Was there a moment?
04:41Yeah, after the sixth game,
04:43I felt him crumbling at that stage.
04:46Mm-hmm.
04:47He came into the game looking a little bit, you know, mousy.
04:50I took it from there, you know.
04:53It's funny because they say,
04:55I believe in a big tournament like this,
04:57you get three days off for illness.
04:59And a man said,
05:01Fisher's opponents always have a way of becoming ill.
05:05What is that?
05:06What do you do to them?
05:07Well, there's a tremendous amount of pressure in these matches.
05:09And, you know, it's really...
05:13The strain is, you know, it's really tremendous.
05:14Just day after day, playing five hours,
05:16and if it's adjourned, the next day, six hours.
05:18But you've been up all night studying the adjourned position,
05:20and there's a lot of pressure.
05:22You could stay up all night?
05:23Sure.
05:23And not fear the fact that the lack of sleep would wreck your game?
05:27Well, you try and have it all worked out in your memory,
05:29so you really, when you just come in there,
05:30you're just playing things by rote.
05:31Of course, it's not that easy.
05:32You have to try not to fall asleep sometimes.
05:34Yeah.
05:35What would it do to your ego if, by some terrible chance,
05:39you were beaten in this match?
05:42Hmm.
05:42Well, uh...
05:44You obviously haven't thought about the possibility.
05:47I try not to think about it too much.
05:48I'd realize it was a fluke, and that's it.
05:54If, uh...
05:56Now, you...
05:57This isn't something that is over like a fight in one night.
05:59It takes about, what?
06:01Two months.
06:01Two months.
06:0224 matches.
06:03Right.
06:03Yeah.
06:04Is there any way, Bobby,
06:06that you can judge from reading the achievements of past chess masters,
06:10whether you're not...
06:11Whether you think you're the greatest chess player that ever walked the earth?
06:15We've got a rating system,
06:17and according to the present rating system,
06:19I have the highest rating of any player that's ever lived.
06:21They kind of...
06:21Of course, it's hard to rate the players that are from the past,
06:24that are dead now.
06:25Mm-hmm.
06:25But, uh...
06:27Wait, wait, but you have the records.
06:28They go back, say.
06:29They say my record against Botvinnik,
06:31then Botvinnik's record against Irving,
06:33and then Irving's record against so-and-so,
06:34and they go all the way back,
06:35and according to the system,
06:37I have the highest rating,
06:38and the system is accepted by the International Chester Organization.
06:41Highest rating ever, or highest...
06:42Ever, yeah.
06:43Yeah.
06:45Yeah.
06:45Can I ask you?
06:46Can I ask you?
06:46Yeah, go ahead.
06:47Well, this is a dumb question,
06:49but I'm going to ask it,
06:50because I want to know.
06:51As a chess player, that's what you are.
06:54Right.
06:54Okay.
06:55That's all I want to ask.
06:59No, I wanted to know if he did something on his side.
07:03When?
07:04In his spare time.
07:06I don't know.
07:07Tell him how hard you work at it.
07:08That's what I mean.
07:09I wonder if it's a full-time?
07:11Full-time.
07:11Let me put the question...
07:12It's not like a hobby.
07:13...for you.
07:13Oh, thank you.
07:16Have...
07:18Miss Duncan wants to know,
07:20do you or would you do something on the side?
07:22Right.
07:29Sorry, I've ruined the question.
07:31I'd like you to show us something involving an actual chess board when we come back.
07:34We'll be back after this message.
07:37This is a chess board,
07:38and I know you can't imagine a person not knowing what it all means.
07:42Can you give someone a crash lesson?
07:45Okay.
07:45What do you want to know?
07:47I'd like to know what these things are called.
07:50No, I know all that.
07:51Well, we'll go to the pawns.
07:52Yeah.
07:52This is the rook, knight, bishop, queen, king.
07:54Okay?
07:55Yeah.
07:55And pawn moves like one, two at the first move.
07:58Uh-huh.
07:58Captures diagonally.
07:59Yeah.
07:59Okay, that's the pawns.
08:01Oh, it becomes a queen when you reach the end.
08:03Yeah.
08:03Or a knight or a rook or a bishop.
08:05Mm-hmm.
08:06Cannot become a king, cannot stay a pawn.
08:08Okay?
08:09Okay.
08:09Got it.
08:09And a few other little things with pawns.
08:11Okay.
08:11Knights move like...
08:13It's kind of like an L.
08:14Mm-hmm.
08:15See, from here they go here.
08:17Yeah.
08:17Okay.
08:19Yeah.
08:20Bishops, they move diagonally, like so.
08:25You can't jump over things, right?
08:26You handled them beautifully.
08:27Thank you.
08:29Now, kings move one square in any direction.
08:32Mm-hmm.
08:32But generally, you keep the king way back until the end game, because if you lose the king,
08:36you lose the game.
08:37Yeah.
08:37That's where it's at.
08:38That's what it's about.
08:39Now, let's see.
08:40The queen is the most powerful piece.
08:42It moves like a bishop.
08:43Well, first, let me come to the rook.
08:44The rook moves like this.
08:46Straight.
08:48Any...
08:48Any...
08:48Oh, always straight.
08:49Can't jump.
08:50The queen moves like a bishop.
08:52Yeah.
08:52Like so.
08:53And like a rook.
08:54It's a very powerful piece.
08:55It has tremendous scope.
08:57Yeah.
08:57Chop his pawn off at once.
08:59Chop this one.
09:00As I understand, at the end of your match with Petrosian, he's something or other turned
09:05into queens.
09:06Do you know what I'm saying?
09:07Oh, well, I was going to.
09:08See, when we play top-level chess, once you're dead lost, you don't drag it out to the bitter
09:13end, to the checkmate, and resign.
09:15It's kind of a gentlemanly thing to do.
09:18Could he beat you in the sense that if you tie, he retains the title, doesn't he?
09:23The next match with Spassky, right.
09:24Yeah.
09:25Yeah.
09:25So, if he elects to turn it into a draw, all down the line, then does he retain the title?
09:31Right.
09:32Yeah.
09:32I have to beat him.
09:33Would a world champion do that?
09:34Sure he would.
09:35He would?
09:36Yeah.
09:37Yeah.
09:37But I'm not going to let him, actually.
09:38Oh, good.
09:42For the people now, it's silly to waste your time giving me an elementary lesson in chess.
09:46Could you show for the people who really know the game what the last moments of the Petrosian
09:49match were and what they meant, or can you remember them?
09:51Yeah, yeah.
09:51Well, that was very simplified.
09:52Let's see.
09:53These things are going to take all this stuff away.
10:11Are you working from a picture in your head of what it was like?
10:14Right.
10:14Here we go.
10:16This was it.
10:17And it was my move here.
10:18And I played...
10:21Was it my move here?
10:23Yeah.
10:23I'm right here.
10:24That was the final position.
10:26And what did that do to everything else?
10:28Well, the idea I was going to push this pawn down here and get a queen, and then I was
10:31going to checkmate him.
10:32So he couldn't do much.
10:34I have four pawns for the piece.
10:35He's got a knight and a pawn in.
10:37I have five pawns, so it's four pawns for compensation for the knight.
10:40And it's practically impossible to stop this pawn.
10:42For example, he could go here, hitting this pawn.
10:45Can you see a way that he could have won this?
10:46Oh, no.
10:47Here's where he gave up.
10:48So it was a couple moves before this that he still had a possibility of winning, was it?
10:53Or how many moves ahead of this?
10:54Well, he was dead, lost for half a dozen moves before this.
10:58But, you know...
10:58When did he realize it?
11:01Well, you know, it's hard to give up.
11:02You know, it's a big game.
11:04It's just for the...
11:04Yeah.
11:04...to play for the world title.
11:06Do you have a hunch that you knew he was done before he did?
11:09No, we both knew it.
11:10We both knew it.
11:11It was just kind of a heartbreaking loss for him.
11:14And, you know, he wanted to drink it out of him.
11:16Yeah.
11:16Wipe that smile off your face.
11:20Did he have to go to a resort in the Black Sea for a week after this to recover?
11:24No, as a matter of fact, they didn't send him away anywhere.
11:27You know, I thought people were talking about that.
11:29But he played in a big tournament, went back to Russia, played in a big tournament, and
11:31he beat Boris Spassky in a chess game.
11:34Now, when I'm going to play next.
11:35Where does that put him, if he beats Spassky?
11:37Well, it wasn't for the...
11:39It wasn't part of this official deal.
11:40Oh, it just didn't...
11:41It just beat him in a...
11:41Friendly play.
11:42It wasn't too friendly.
11:43You beat him a real game, so...
11:44Ralph was telling me that they take physical examinations for the matches or something.
11:48Yeah, the interesting thing is, why is it that...
11:50Is it generally believed that if you hit 40 or 43, you're going downhill?
11:54It's a young man's game and it's tremendous physical strength?
11:57Right.
11:58I mean, the concentration, you're sitting there for hour after hour, and if you have a...
12:01Just, you know, when you get a little older, you have these momentary mental lapses, or
12:04you just weaken, you can't give it all you've got.
12:07That's all.
12:08It just takes this much just to miscalculate one little thing in your mind, you know?
12:13What's the peak period?
12:14For example, when do you think you'll reach your peak in terms of age?
12:17Well, I'm different.
12:18I mean, I intend to keep playing for a long time.
12:21What's your age right now?
12:2228.
12:2328, yeah.
12:24I intend to be real good for another 30 years, but generally speaking, they go down about 40.
12:29Ordinary people.
12:30Yeah.
12:31Question number...
12:32What are you going to say?
12:33I'm going to say...
12:34It says here, are all chess masters egomaniacs?
12:39Oh, yeah.
12:40I want to dance to that.
12:45He's right.
12:47That's cute.
12:48I was saving that.
12:49You were saving that?
12:50I blew it for you.
12:52It must be true, though.
12:53I mean, it must be...
12:54Because it involves your whole life.
12:56If you're a chess master, you don't do anything else, do you?
12:58This is true.
12:58It does attract an egocentric crowd, you know?
13:02Yeah.
13:03It's just you and the board and your opponent and you're trying to prove something.
13:06Yeah.
13:07Is there a finite number of possible chess games?
13:13They say there is.
13:14I mean...
13:15I don't know.
13:15Something with two numbers and then I don't know how many, you know, 100 zeros or something.
13:19I don't know.
13:20There must be, because there's a limited number of squares and there can only be so many...
13:24Right.
13:24Is that right?
13:25Is that true or false?
13:26Is there a fallacy in that?
13:28I think there is a limited number, but, you know, it's more than the mind can fathom.
13:32Do you think it'll ever show an international chess contest on network television?
13:37Do you think it'll ever reach that point in this country?
13:41For example, the series of matches I played.
13:43The first match was like $1,000 or something I got.
13:46The second match I got $2,000.
13:47The third match I got $7,500.
13:49The next match, if I win, I'm going to get about $93,000 for the winner's share.
13:53So there definitely seems to be a lot of interest being generated.
13:56I think anything is possible, sure.
13:59What are you going to do if they hold you to three hours?
14:02Well, we'll change the time limit.
14:05I'm reasonable.
14:07When you've taken intelligence tests in school, what parts of them do you score highest on?
14:13I don't know.
14:14They never, you know, they never gave me the report.
14:16You never took the standard test?
14:17I think I took it, but they never give you the report.
14:19I think I was good with these little square boxes and puzzles and this kind of thing.
14:25Is that what they call spatial relations?
14:27Spatial relations, yeah.
14:27Those things where they say, how many sides are not showing on this thing?
14:30And then they were giving me, I remember when I was a little kid, they were giving me numbers
14:33and telling me to tell them backwards and they were making sure I was shooting them off backwards fast.
14:37Are you good at anagrams for any reason?
14:39You know, I mean, if I say plates to you, can you immediately reform those letters into five other words?
14:44Oh, no, I can't.
14:46I saw some basketball player on TV doing that a few months ago.
14:49Oh, was it?
14:49Probably me.
14:51No, I have that weird thing.
14:53If you say plates, I see petals and pleats and pastel and staple.
14:57It's a weird gift.
14:58It's not worth anything on the market, obviously.
15:02I don't know why I have that.
15:03And I wondered if that would translate into this, because I'm not very good at spatial relations,
15:07but I apparently can rearrange letters in my head for some quirky reason
15:10that's probably an onset of schizophrenia.
15:13Yeah.
15:14I don't know.
15:16But you don't happen to, you're not particularly good at word games.
15:19Not particularly, I mean, I'm really special.
15:21I don't really care too much about these things.
15:23Yeah, yeah.
15:25Sorry, I talked about it.
15:28We have a message from our local station to leave it.
15:37We have a message from our local station to leave it.
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