00:00Mientras Donald Trump firmaba sus primeras órdenes ejecutivas en el despacho Oval de la Casa Blanca,
00:05los periodistas, de manera informal, le preguntan sobre el gasto militar en la OTAN de países como Francia o España.
00:12Y el presidente de Estados Unidos contesta esto.
00:39E insiste.
00:45¿Es España un país BRICS, como asegura Trump?
00:48La respuesta es clara, no, no lo es.
00:51BRICS es un acrónimo formado con las iniciales de Brasil, Rusia, India, China y Sudáfrica,
00:56países emergentes en cuyo grupo no se engloba España.
01:00Es un grupo de potencias que representa el 45% de la población mundial, según el Banco Mundial,
01:07y que ha planteado una divisa global alternativa al dólar que Estados Unidos rechaza de plano.
01:13Las reacciones no se han hecho esperar.
01:15Evidentemente España no es un BRICS, no es un país emergente.
01:20Y desconozco si esa afirmación realizada por el presidente Trump,
01:26es una confusión o no.
01:29Y me encargaré personalmente, así lo hará desde luego mi gobierno,
01:32de demostrar ante esta administración que no todos los españoles, ni todos en España,
01:37desde luego las administraciones, no somos parte de los BRICS ni queremos serlo.
01:41Por otra parte, el gobierno ha contestado a la crítica de Donald Trump a España por su contribución a la
01:47OTAN.
01:47Creo que nadie debe olvidar que España es ese aliado fiable que lleva más de 40 años
01:53en el Tratado del Atlántico Norte y que la contribución a las misiones de paz
01:57es una de las más importantes que se están realizando.
02:00Quizás ha sido un error o una metedura de pata,
02:03pero lo que sí ha dejado claro el presidente de Estados Unidos
02:05es la amenaza arancelaria del 100% en su mandato.
02:15¿Es still your expectation that NATO countries spend 5% of their GDP on defense spending?
02:20No, I think they should do that.
02:22I don't think we should, but I think they should.
02:25We've been spending, we've been supporting NATO so long,
02:28in many cases I believe paying almost 100% the cost.
02:32So, I don't think we should, but I think that the NATO countries should, absolutely.
02:36But if it's something like Spain decides not to?
02:39Well, NATO's going to have to deal with Spain.
02:41Spain's been a very low payer.
02:43They were always a very low payer.
02:45They were either good negotiators or they weren't doing the right thing.
02:50I mean, I think Spain has to pay what everybody else has to pay.
02:53Spain has been notorious for low pay.
02:56You know who else was a low payer, just about the lowest?
02:59A place called Canada.
03:01Because Canada said, why should we pay when the United States will protect us free?
03:06And you've been right about that.
03:08I used to...
03:15I'm tired of it.
03:16I think they don't want it to happen again.
03:19I was the one that said that's what they should be paying, as you know.
03:22No, I should do something.
03:24And they're having a problem with Spain.
03:27There's always a problem with Spain.
03:29Because Spain's not agreeing, which is very unfair to the rest of them.
03:32So the U.S. won't be increasing our GDP to 5%.
03:36We should pay what everyone else...
03:38You know, they're in Europe, we're not.
03:39You know, a lot of that money goes to rebuilding their bridges, their roads, so it can take heavy equipment.
03:45And, you know, we don't have any roads in Europe.
03:47We don't have any bridges in Europe.
03:50So, no, it wouldn't be quite the same thing for us.
03:52But we're with them.
03:53Are you still committed to Article 5 of NATO?
03:56Depends on your definition.
03:58There's numerous definitions of Article 5.
04:00You know that, right?
04:02But I'm committed to being their friends.
04:05You know, I've become friends with many of those leaders.
04:07And I'm committed to helping them.
04:15A question on Spain.
04:17Are you satisfied with today's...
04:19Oh, I think Spain's terrible what they've done.
04:22No, I do.
04:23They're the only country that won't pay the full up.
04:25They want to stay at 2%.
04:27I think it's terrible.
04:28And, you know, they're doing very well.
04:29The economy is very well.
04:31And that economy could be blown right out of the water with something bad happening.
04:35You know, Spain is the only country that...
04:36Are you from Spain?
04:38Good, congratulations.
04:40You're the only country that is not paying.
04:42I don't know what the problem is.
04:44I think it's too bad.
04:45So we'll make it up.
04:46You know what we're going to do?
04:47We're negotiating with Spain on a trade deal.
04:50We're going to make them pay twice as much.
04:51And I'm actually serious about that.
04:53We're going to make Spain...
04:54I like Spain.
04:55I have so many people from Spain that it's a great place, and they're great people.
05:01But Spain is the only country out of all of the countries that refuses to pay.
05:10And, you know, so they want a little bit of a free ride.
05:13But they'll have to pay it back to us on trade because I'm not going to let...
05:22I'm very unhappy with Spain.
05:25They're the only country that didn't raise up their number to 5%.
05:29Every other country in NATO raised up to 5%.
05:33And Spain is doing very well off our backs.
05:37So I'm not happy with Spain.
05:39Spain gets protection.
05:41And they know, you know, look, they're sort of in the semi-middle of it.
05:44So they're going to get protected automatically.
05:46Even if you don't want to protect them, you're protecting them because of the way they're located.
05:51And I think what Spain did is a very bad thing for NATO.
05:55I think it's very unfair to NATO.
05:57I think it's very disrespectful to NATO.
06:00In fact, I was thinking about giving them trade punishment through tariffs because of what they did.
06:07And I may do that.
06:09I think unbelievably disrespectful.
06:12Spain, the only one out of all the countries in NATO, the only one that said that is Spain.
06:18And I think that's...
06:20I think they should be punished for that.
06:22Yes.
06:28We're going to work together very closely with Finland and with NATO.
06:32We have a very good relationship.
06:33As you know, I requested that they pay 5%, not 2%.
06:37And most people thought that was not going to happen.
06:40And it happened virtually unanimously.
06:43We had one laggard.
06:45It was Spain.
06:47Spain.
06:48You have to call them and find why are they a laggard.
06:50And they're doing well, too.
06:51You know, the funny thing.
06:52Because of a lot of the things we've done, they're doing fine.
06:55They have no excuse not to do this.
06:57But that's all right.
06:59Maybe you should throw them out of NATO, frankly.
07:02Please.
07:10This is about NATO.
07:11We're a very proud member of NATO.
07:13We have a great relationship with the countries of NATO.
07:16I think made much better by our visit a few months ago when they agreed to 5% instead of
07:232% of GDP.
07:24That was a big concession.
07:26I think that was a concession that two years ago nobody would have said.
07:29Even a year ago.
07:30Even nine months ago, before you were elected.
07:32Yeah, they would have said that's not possible.
07:34And the difference is they're paying 5% as opposed to not paying 2%.
07:38A lot of them weren't paying.
07:40With the exception of Spain.
07:41I think you're going to have to talk to Spain.
07:44Spain is not a team player.
07:46So other than Spain, everybody's 100%.
07:50And you could solve the Spain problem very easily, I think, you know, if you want.
08:01I also secured commitments for virtually all NATO allies to increase their defense spending to 5% of GDP.
08:10Everybody but Spain.
08:11I don't know what's happening with Spain.
08:13Why would they not do that?
08:14They want a free ride, I guess.
08:16Huh?
08:18Every country but Spain increased to 5%.
08:20I don't know why.
08:21We're going to have to talk to Spain.
08:28Well, some of the European nations have been helpful and some haven't.
08:32And I'm, you know, very surprised.
08:34Germany has been great.
08:36He's been terrific.
08:39Others have been very good, terrific.
08:42I think that the head of NATO, Mark, is fantastic.
08:46Mark Ruta, I think he's fantastic.
08:50But some of the European, like Spain, has been terrible.
08:53In fact, I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain.
08:59Spain, first of all, it started when every European nation, at my request, paid 5%, which they should be doing.
09:07And everybody was enthusiastic about it.
09:09Germany, everybody.
09:10And Spain didn't do it.
09:12And now Spain actually said that we can't use their bases.
09:17And that's all right.
09:18We could use their base if we want.
09:19We could just fly in and use it.
09:21Nobody's going to tell us not to use it.
09:23But we don't have to.
09:24But they were unfriendly.
09:27And so I told him we don't want to.
09:29Spain has absolutely nothing that we need other than great people.
09:32They have great people.
09:33But they don't have great leadership.
09:36And, as you know, they were the only country that in NATO would not agree to go up to 5%.
09:42I don't think they wouldn't agree to go up to anything.
09:45They wanted to keep it at 2%.
09:46And they don't pay the 2%.
09:48So we're going to cut off all trade with Spain.
09:51We don't want anything to do with Spain.
09:52We talked about Spain.
09:54I could tomorrow stop, or today, even better, stop everything having to do with Spain.
09:59All business having to do with Spain have the right to stop it.
10:05Embargoes, do anything I want with it.
10:07And we may do that with Spain.
10:13We'll get to it.
10:14Gracias.
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