00:00What happens on the pitch for me, you have Vinny Junior who, when you watch the action itself, his reaction
00:06cannot be faked.
00:07You can see it. His reaction is an emotional reaction.
00:11I don't see any benefit for him to go to the referee and put all this misery on his shoulders.
00:18And when he does it, I think in his mind, he's doing it more because it's the right thing to
00:22do in that moment.
00:24Kylian Mbappe is really clear about what he heard and what he saw, and he's even more clear after the
00:29game when he speaks about it.
00:32So all of this happens. But then, of course, you have a player who's hiding what he's saying in his
00:37shirt.
00:37You have a player who's complaining. You have a player who says he didn't do it.
00:41And I think unless the player himself comes forward, it's difficult. It's a difficult case.
00:46You see in the stadium, there are people doing monkey signs. It's happening in the stadium as well.
00:53And then for me, even worse, I'm clear in what I say, is what happens after the game.
00:58So after the game, you have the leader of an organization, Jose Mourinho, who attacks the character of Vinicius Junior
01:04by bringing in the type of celebration to discredit what Vinicius is doing in this moment.
01:10And for me, in terms of leadership, it's a huge mistake. And it's something that we should not accept.
01:15On top of it, he mentions the name of Eusebio. To say that Benfica cannot be racist because the best
01:22player in the history of Benfica is Eusebio.
01:26You know what black players had to go through in the 1960s?
01:29Was he there to travel with Eusebio every away game when he went to every place in Europe?
01:34My dad is a black person from the 1960s also who made his way.
01:38Probably at the time, the only option they had is to be quiet.
01:40There's a lot of players who play in different leagues still in Europe who don't have a voice.
01:45There's players today in Hungary, in Bulgaria, in Serbia.
01:48If something happens to them and they are black players, they have zero chance to have any kind of support.
01:53Vinicius Junior at least is in a situation where a lot of people have made it possible for him to
01:59take this moment
02:01and to protest in this moment. Me personally, I don't see my place in a lot of the things that
02:05are happening in today's world.
02:07I really don't. I don't want to be a part of one group. I don't want to be a part
02:12of the other group.
02:13If it is true that the player from Benfica said something as bad as what he said,
02:18I would love a situation where there's still a room where somebody can apologise and say,
02:24I'm sorry I made a mistake. And this has an impact on the sentence as well.
02:29The one thing you can't do is punish someone unfairly.
02:33And the one thing you can't do is dismiss a person and attack the character of a person
02:38who's complaining about something he experienced and something that must be very painful to that person.
02:44When Jose Mourinho is doing the knee slide at Old Trafford because he attacked the celebration of Vinicius Junior,
02:50when he goes to the fans in the semi-final Inter Milan against Barcelona
02:54and he goes in front of the Barcelona fans and does his celebration,
02:57when he plays against Sevilla with AS Roma and in that moment he's fighting with the referees
03:03and the referees have to go under protection, leave the country under protection after that game.
03:08In that moment, if someone was racist to Mourinho, I would have hoped that all of us would say,
03:14stop, it doesn't matter his celebration. Let's listen to what he has to say.
03:19It's happened to Eto'o, to Samuel Eto'o, it's happened to Mario Balotelli so many times.
03:26OK, so it was their celebration as well? OK, maybe there were some characters with personality.
03:33What if it happens to Patrick Vieira? What if it happens to... It happened to me.
03:38Not so long ago, I go to Club Bruges and I played for the national team.
03:43I was the captain for the national team. Me, my staff, we get called brown monkeys and so on.
03:49And after I complain, I see how all of these politics happen again to kill the story.
03:55So no consequences, no nothing. And I have a voice.
03:59What do you think for the people without a voice?
04:02I've never heard a person say anything bad about Jose.
04:05Jose, all the players who played with him, they love him.
04:08So I understand the person he is. I understand he's fighting for his team, he's fighting for his club and
04:14he's made that decision.
04:15I don't need to judge him as a person, but I know what I've heard.
04:19And I understand maybe what he's done, but he's made a mistake.
04:22Look at the things that we can do together rather than the things that always constantly separate us.
04:26E guide us.
04:27E Cristo.
04:27COWELL.
04:27ETALE.
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