00:00Lo que pasa en el piso para mí es que hay Vini Jr. que cuando veas la acción
00:04en el mismo, su reacción no puede ser faked.
00:08Puedes verlo, su reacción es un reacción emocional.
00:11No veo ningún beneficio para él ir al refiere y poner toda esta miseria en sus manos.
00:18No hay razón para Vini Jr. ir a hacer esto.
00:22Y cuando lo hace, creo que en su mente,
00:25está haciendo esto más porque es lo correcto para hacer en ese momento.
00:28Así que va y hace esto.
00:30Y al lado de él hay Kylian Mbappé,
00:34que normalmente siempre está muy diplomático y en cada lado.
00:38Y Kylian Mbappé está muy claro de lo que escucha y lo que escucha,
00:42y es aún más claro cuando hablamos sobre esto.
00:45Entonces, todo esto acontece.
00:47Pero entonces hay un jugador que está hiding lo que está diciendo en su shirt.
00:53Y en el final hay esta parte de él,
00:55que creo que es un jugador que está bien.
00:59Hay un jugador que está complaining y un jugador que dice que no está haciendo lo que está haciendo.
01:03Y creo que si el jugador que está haciendo lo que está haciendo,
01:06es difícil.
01:07Es un jugador que está difícil.
01:08Así que yo entiendo esto.
01:09Pero luego en el jugador que está viendo en el jugador que está haciendo lo que está haciendo lo que
01:15está haciendo en el jugador.
01:19Así es ocurrió.
01:20Así es ocurriendo.
01:20Y ustedes pueden ver.
01:22Es ocurrir en uno de los lados la alteración entre los players y en la otra lado lo que haya
01:28sucedido en el jugador.
01:29Y luego, más bien peina así.
01:32Y lo que pasa es lo que pasa después de la game.
01:39Después de la game, tienes el líder de una organización, José Mourinho,
01:46que usa, básicamente, que atacas el personaje de Vinicius Jr.
01:54por bringing in el tipo de celebración
01:56para discreditar lo que Vinicius está haciendo en este momento.
02:00Y para mí, en términos de liderazgo, es un gran error.
02:04Y es algo que no deberíamos aceptar.
02:06Así que estoy muy claro en eso.
02:08En top de eso, he mencionas el nombre de Ezebio.
02:12Para decir que Benfica no puede ser racista
02:14porque el mejor jugador en la historia de Benfica es Ezebio.
02:18¿Sabes lo que los jugadores los jugadores han ido en los 60s?
02:21¿Era él viajó con Ezebio en cada jugador?
02:24Cuando él iba a cada lugar en Europa.
02:26Probably a the time, because my dad is a black person from the 1960s
02:30also who made his way.
02:31Probably at the time, the only option ahead is to be quiet
02:34and to say nothing and to be above it
02:36and to be ten times better, to get a little bit of credit
02:39and people say, actually, he's good.
02:42That's Ezebio's life, probably.
02:45And today, to use his name to make a point about Vini Jr.,
02:51who's actually finally in a situation where he can say something about it.
02:55There's a lot of players who play in different leagues still in Europe
02:58who don't have a voice.
03:00There's players today in Hungary, in Bulgaria, in Serbia.
03:03If something happens to them and they are black players,
03:05they have zero chance to have any kind of support.
03:08Vini Jr. at least is in a situation where a lot of people have made it possible
03:17for him to take this moment and to protest in this moment.
03:24And then I'm thinking how it is that you can...
03:28So, it's a difficult thing for me to speak about
03:33because, to be honest, in many ways, and I say it very honestly,
03:37I don't actually fit in what I see today in the world
03:39that is happening in the world.
03:41Me, personally, I don't see my place in a lot of the things
03:43that are happening in today's world.
03:45I really don't.
03:46So, I don't want to be a part of one group.
03:50I don't want to be a part of the other group.
03:52But if I see the situation with the player,
03:55I would like to see a situation where my dream is that
04:00at the end of the situation,
04:03if it is true that the player from Benfica has said something
04:07as bad as what he said,
04:09I would love a situation where there's still a room
04:11where somebody can apologise and say,
04:15I'm sorry, I made a mistake.
04:17And this has an impact on the sentence as well.
04:20So, the sentence should be A or B.
04:22But if you admit that you've made a mistake,
04:25there should be an opportunity as well to say that,
04:28hey, nobody's perfect.
04:30This is also a good step, you know.
04:32But we are taking away all these options because we are creating left or right
04:36and black and white and you have to be on one side or on the other side.
04:40And actually, the one thing you can't do is punish someone unfairly.
04:46And the one thing you can't do is dismiss a person and attack the character of a person
04:54who's complaining about something he experienced and something that must be very painful to that person.
05:02So, there's something that needs to happen.
05:06But, and I'm just thinking, I'm sorry I'm going on this,
05:09but I'm just thinking, you know, when Jose Mourinho is doing the knee slide at Old Trafford,
05:14when he goes to, because he attacked the celebration of Vini Junior,
05:18when he goes to the fans in the semi-final Inter Milan against Barcelona
05:22and he goes in front of the Barcelona fans and does his celebration,
05:25when he plays against Sevilla with AS Roma,
05:28and in that moment he's fighting with the referees
05:31and the referees have to go under protection,
05:33leave the country under protection after that game.
05:36In that moment, if someone was racist to Mourinho,
05:40I would have hoped that all of us would say,
05:42stop, it doesn't matter his celebration.
05:45Let's listen to what he has to say.
05:48And let's defend some simple things, some core things.
05:55So, but again, even in that sense, I try to be,
06:00I like to give context.
06:02So, I have to still say that I know so many players
06:08and I'm thinking about the situation who have gone through it
06:12and it's important to, I mean, it's happened to Eto'o,
06:18to Samuel Eto'o, it's happened to Mario Balotelli so many times.
06:23Okay, so it was their celebration as well?
06:25Okay, maybe there were some characters with personality.
06:30What if it happens to Patrick Vieira?
06:32What if it happens to, it happened to me?
06:36You know, 20 years ago, I was in Sevilla.
06:38And then we're going to say, oh, it was 20 years ago.
06:40Okay, I was in Betis Sevilla.
06:42I was there with Cech Teoté.
06:44Cech Teoté is a player from Newcastle who died with a heart attack
06:47when he went to China.
06:48An unbelievable person, like a heart of gold.
06:52Both of us were 18, 19.
06:54We go to this game and you have the Betis Sevilla fans
06:57going on the fences, singing Kukuk's Clan,
07:02doing monkey chants, going on the fences like monkeys.
07:04And we played a game.
07:06I was happy to score a goal in that game as well because of this.
07:10And it happened back then.
07:12So was it my celebration as well?
07:15What did I do?
07:17And at the same time, I have to note something.
07:20It was also one of the most beautiful moments in my career
07:23because the Betis Sevilla fans of the general stadium
07:28started to boo against the ultras from Sevilla, from Betis.
07:33So you had a fight within the stadium of fans who were not happy
07:38that the ultras from Betis Sevilla were doing these things,
07:43who were protesting.
07:45And I found this beautiful because I said,
07:47OK, you know the world is not perfect.
07:49You have so many things, so many situations.
07:52But at least you have people from the same club fighting
07:54because they don't accept this.
07:56So it was also a moment.
07:58But then you fast forward.
07:59Thank you.
08:00Thank you.
08:03Thank you.
08:05Thank you.
08:05Thank you.
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