00:00It seems like territory is still the key outstanding item when it comes to bridging the two sides.
00:08Moscow wants all of the Donbass. Kiev is saying not a chance.
00:13Under these circumstances, how can a deal be found, Ivan?
00:16You know, Tom, of course, I understand that everyone now expects this deal.
00:20But let's be frank. Ukraine now in a situation where in the year of 1938 was Czechoslovakia,
00:29when a lot of people all over the world said one phrase,
00:34give Soviet region to Hitler and there will be no war.
00:37Now we hear the same practical statement, give Donbass to Putin and there will be stop of the war.
00:45But excuse me, the history said that after receiving Soviet by Hitler,
00:51he started the Second World War less than in a year, in 11 months.
00:55Because in Munich, like now it was a security conference,
00:59that time it was a meeting between leaders of the main countries of the world,
01:03Europe at least, and they said that let's Hitler received a Soviet region
01:09and there will be over the aggression of Nazi Germany.
01:13But this aggression is not over, was not over, sorry.
01:17And now when Ukraine received a statement to give Donbass to Putin,
01:23we understand that Putin needed one reason, not for finishing this war,
01:28not for a final dot, but for Sirius improving his position.
01:33Because if his position would be improved,
01:37it means that he can do what he failed to do four years ago
01:41when he thinks that he can control whole Ukraine.
01:44Now with a better position, he could lose it.
01:47That's why I don't think that the talks that tomorrow starts in Geneva
01:52give some other result except exchange of the prisoners of war.
01:58Because all previous meetings in Istanbul, in Abu Dhabi,
02:03have had to that result, exchange of prisoners of war.
02:05That's why that is my own expectation of this meeting.
02:09I don't expect something more.
02:10Thank you, Tom.
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