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00:00Hello and welcome to Gangs All Here. My name is Ryan Sampson. That's my guy Frankie Vitorini
00:03from U Stadium. On today's episode, Derek Carr to the New York Jets? Really? Out of retirement?
00:10We'll discuss on today's episode. Plus, we'll also talk about the rest of the coaching staff
00:13that's been hired by Aaron Glenn as he completely overhauled the whole entire coaching staff.
00:17We'll talk about that with Brian Costello and we'll also talk about Brees Hall's future and
00:22if he is meant to be here long term with the New York Jets. Stick around for today's episode.
00:30And we're welcomed by our Jets beat writer, Brian Costello, freshly off the Super Bowl here
00:39to talk about the Jets as always on Gangs All Here. Kaz, how are you doing today, man?
00:44I'm good. We're covering from the Super Bowl, right?
00:47Some late nights there or have you been a good boy out there, Kaz?
00:50No, early mornings. The Patriots press availability was at 8 a.m. every day, which meant the 6 a.m.
00:58bus from San Francisco because it was in Santa Clara. So, yeah, I was up at like 4.45, 5 o'clock.
01:05Yeah. So, yeah, early mornings, Frank, you know, late nights.
01:09I would have missed those. That's for sure.
01:10He got to witness an all-time halftime performance. The game wasn't that great, but.
01:15Look, Kaz.
01:16Yeah, halftime stinks when you're in the stadium.
01:19Yeah, I saw some of the videos.
01:21It's made for TV. Like, I saw some people commenting. Like, people in the stands were like, well, it's made for TV.
01:26So, it's like it's – and especially we're in a press box that's sealed.
01:31Like, I couldn't even really – you couldn't really hear it because of the glass in the press box.
01:35So, yeah, it's much better for TV for the halftime show.
01:39Look, Kaz, there's a multitude of things I would love to talk to you about today,
01:42but I think the first thing Frankie and I have to talk to you about is the quarterback future for the Jets.
01:46It's a rumor that's gone around in the last 24 hours a lot amongst Jets fans,
01:50and I saw it on WFN this morning with Boomer and Geo as well.
01:54It's Derek Carr. He's currently in retirement,
01:56and this clip is going around from his homegrown podcast with his brother talking about Aaron Glenn,
02:03and I'd like to play this sound for you first and then get your reaction on what the heck is going on
02:07with this card of the Jets rumor.
02:10I love Aaron Glenn.
02:12I love Aaron Glenn.
02:13Aaron Glenn's a good friend.
02:13Great golfer, good friend.
02:14Okay.
02:15Love Aaron Glenn.
02:16Okay.
02:16Talk to him whenever it's viable.
02:19All right.
02:20Okay.
02:20I love Aaron Glenn.
02:22Okay.
02:22Might be viable soon.
02:24Okay.
02:25You're wearing a green sweatshirt.
02:26You're wearing a green sweatshirt?
02:27Yeah.
02:28Mine was for Christmas trees.
02:29Yeah, yeah, me too.
02:30All right.
02:30Listen, I love him, but I also love Jet fans.
02:33Here's why.
02:34Okay.
02:35I can't believe you're saying this.
02:35I threw, I checked cover zero.
02:37Love Jet fans.
02:38Little deal.
02:39I checked.
02:39I threw this game win.
02:40Yeah.
02:41Yeah, yeah.
02:41Handling rugs.
02:42Okay.
02:43Jet fans, because we help them get a,
02:46worst draft pick, donated to Valley Children's Hospital.
02:50Oh, that's cool.
02:51They're like, Derek, I got so many tweets.
02:52Thank you so much.
02:53That's cool.
02:54And Valley Children's even was like telling me,
02:55we're getting so many New Jersey and New York calls right now.
02:59That's pretty awesome.
03:00That's pretty awesome.
03:01Jet fans.
03:01Well done there.
03:02I love you.
03:03I'll give you that.
03:03And thank you for helping the kids.
03:06Look, I gotta, I gotta be honest here.
03:09Derek Carr left football last year because of the shoulder injury.
03:13Said he couldn't play because it was affecting his throwing ability and he still had money
03:17on the table with the Saints, but he walked away from football.
03:20That clip was recent.
03:22That's making the rounds.
03:23Now the Jets obviously need a quarterback cause is Derek Carr.
03:27The answer for the Jets for 2026.
03:30I don't think he's the answer, but I think you have to leave everything on the table,
03:34right?
03:35You know, I don't think you can rule anything out right now.
03:38When is that from December?
03:39I assume.
03:39Yes.
03:39That's from December.
03:41What's the connection?
03:42Did anyone figure out what the connection was with Aaron Glenn?
03:44Like when they crossed paths, I believe when was, was Glenn there as the assistant
03:49when Carr was there?
03:51No, he was the defensive coordinator, right?
03:52No, no.
03:53And Glenn was never with the Raiders.
03:54So yeah, I don't know what their connection.
03:57I don't know what the connection is either, to be honest with you.
03:59But the fact that he has so much now for him, he still talks to him.
04:03And he's still under contract with the Saints.
04:04He's still under contract with the Saints.
04:06So the Jets would have to trade with the Saints in order to get Derek Carr, unless
04:10Carr and the Saints can somehow negotiate a mutual release.
04:15And not to mention the fact that Carr still has a no move clause if he were to come back
04:19and play for the Saints.
04:19Yeah, why would the Saints do that?
04:21So yeah, it seems like a reach to me.
04:24I get the clip.
04:25I get the appeal.
04:26But it seems like a pretty big reach to me.
04:27Like I just, I don't know.
04:29He's been away for a year.
04:31He was older.
04:32I think he was having a good year before he got hurt, right?
04:34That last year.
04:35But he's, you know, he was kind of in decline.
04:37I would, I would, he wouldn't be on the top of my list, but I don't think you can rule
04:41it out.
04:41Obviously, he knows the Jets from 2023, right?
04:47It was when they were looking at him.
04:48I mean, Salah, I know Robert Salah really wanted Carr at one point, and then things shifted
04:54to Aaron Rodgers.
04:55I, you know, I approached Derek Carr at a bank of elevators in Indianapolis that year at
05:05the Combine.
05:06I remember he went to the Combine to meet with teams, including the Jets, and we spotted
05:10him in a lobby.
05:11And I hung out in the lobby, waited for him to go to the elevators.
05:15And he was very, very kindly told me he wasn't going to talk to me, but that way he was, he
05:19was a nice guy.
05:20So yeah, look, no, there's no options out there, Ryan.
05:24I'm like, oh my God, this is the answer.
05:26So everything has to be left on the table, including Derek Carr, but it does not overwhelm
05:31me.
05:32Yeah, no, look, Derek Carr last year before, before with the shoulder injury, he threw for
05:372,100 yards, 15 touchdowns, five interceptions, completion percentage of 67.7.
05:42He is going to be, guys, he's going to be 35 years old on March 28th, going into this
05:49year.
05:50And yeah, the age thing doesn't bother me as much at quarterback, Ryan, as the year
05:53off bothers me.
05:55That's, that's where I'm concerned too.
05:57Yeah.
05:57I think Jets fans have seen this before, right?
06:00Oh, Ryan Khalil is going to come off out of retirement and save the day at center.
06:04And he was, you know, he couldn't play anymore.
06:07Le'Veon Bell took a year off and come back.
06:08He wasn't the same guy when he was with the Jets.
06:10And yes, that that's not all Adam Gase's fault.
06:13He was slower and football players need to play football.
06:18You can get away with a year off if injury, if you're 22, 23, stuff like that.
06:23But when you get into your thirties, I think a year, a year away from football is deadly.
06:29Yeah.
06:30Kaz, the connection, I'm sure you know this.
06:32And Ryan, the connection with Derek Carr and the Jets is with the quarterbacks coach,
06:36Bill Musgrave, he was Carr's offensive coordinator with the Oakland Raiders in 2015 and 16.
06:43Right.
06:44But I still don't understand the Aaron Glenn love, like where that comes from.
06:47Do you?
06:47No, I don't.
06:48He, he, uh, Glenn was coaching the secondary, but Carr came in after.
06:52Yeah.
06:53After.
06:53Yeah.
06:53He didn't come till 2023.
06:55But Carr had his.
06:55Yeah.
06:56Yeah.
06:56Drew Brees was there the whole time.
06:57Glenn was.
06:57Carr had his two best seasons though, in 15 and 16, back-to-back Pro Bowls.
07:04He had 12 wins in 16 and, uh, he was third in MVP voting.
07:08So you're selling me on 10 years ago, Derek Carr right now?
07:11Well, I mean.
07:13Frankie, that was his second and third season in the NFL.
07:15No, I'm with you guys.
07:17I don't, I don't think it means much, but I mean, Bill Musgrave, you know how some of
07:20these old guys are.
07:21They, they, 10 years ago is as good as two years ago.
07:24So I'm just saying like, he's, it's possible that Bill Musgrave and Frank Reich and Frank
07:30Reich's prototype at quarterback are guys over.
07:33So I'm going to go get the guy out of retirement to come play for us.
07:36It's just feels very Philip Rivers.
07:37I don't, I think you guys are underplaying it just a tad bit.
07:41I think there's, there's more there than, than maybe we're thinking.
07:43Well, here's what I'll say though.
07:44Like with, with Derek Carr, right.
07:46It's easier for, in my opinion, cause I hear you on the taking a year off.
07:50I think it's easier for an NFL quarterback to come back if they take a year off, especially
07:53how high of a level Derek Carr did play at for a lot of his career.
07:58With that being said, it was a pretty significant shoulder injury to force him not to not play
08:02football.
08:02So if that's supposed to be magically healed now, and he's supposed to be playing better,
08:06this is not a guy who is light of foot, meaning he is not the most mobile quarterback.
08:10So he's, he's going to be a pocket statue quarterback back there.
08:13I understand that, you know, we all want to praise the Jets offensive line.
08:17They still did give up some pressures that they had a quarterback who held the ball too long,
08:20two quarterbacks out the ball too long, but I'm just not in the appetizing, appetizing
08:25mood of saying, yeah, Derek Carr, go get him.
08:30And, and I know this sounds crazy.
08:31I'd rather go get a Marcus Mariota, go trade for a Jacoby Brissett.
08:36If I'm going to trade for a quarterback, go trade for someone that's a little bit younger
08:40and can, can play in current NFL.
08:42And that's a Jacoby Brissett, or even if like, I know Mac Jones, that the 49ers don't want
08:47to trade him, but go get someone like that over a Derek Carr, who you'd have to convince
08:53at 35 years old to come out of retirement and play with this team.
08:56Also why the Jets for Derek Carr?
08:59They're not set up for success.
09:01I, I, you know what I mean?
09:02Cause like, this is not a good team right now.
09:05Yeah.
09:06Why would he want them?
09:07Yeah.
09:07I mean, I don't think he's going to have a lot of options.
09:09I just, I don't think people are going to be clamoring for Derek Carr at this point,
09:12but yeah, I'm, I'm, I take her cousins over Derek Carr in a heartbeat.
09:17Cause it's going to cost you money.
09:18It's not going to cost you draft pick.
09:19And I've saw him play this year, you know?
09:23Uh, so yeah, I, I, I, I would have to be sold on Derek Carr pretty hard.
09:29I'll say this about Derek Carr.
09:31You guys are correct in, in the overall assessment.
09:35Like this doesn't make any sense because, or not that it doesn't make sense, but the
09:39fit isn't as clear cut as it appears to be.
09:42But I'll say this, Derek Carr needs to reinvent himself.
09:46If he wants to get back into football, he needs to go somewhere that's going to give
09:50him an opportunity to start and an opportunity to, um, an opportunity that makes sense for
09:56him.
09:57And if you look at the coaches that he knew, he knew when he was successful with, and
10:01you look at Frank Reich and that system, he's spoken highly of Garrett Wilson in the
10:06past.
10:07Um, the guy can play football.
10:09I mean, I don't know what his arm now, what his injury designation is, but he has over
10:1540,000 passing yards for his career.
10:16You know, every year he's got, you know, 25, 26, 27 touchdowns and half of those, you
10:22know, half of that's an interception.
10:24So he's not really throwing that many picks too.
10:26Like, I don't know.
10:27He's, he's, I've watched Derek Carr for a long time.
10:30He's never going to be that gunslinger that takes chances.
10:33He's more of a, like, I'm going to read the defense.
10:37He wasn't going to turn into that later on.
10:38That's what I'm saying.
10:39No, later in his career, he tried not to turn the ball over as much as possible.
10:42Like he, he's, he's a guy, it has to be perfect for him to, to throw the ball in my
10:47opinion.
10:47Yeah.
10:48And I just, I don't think the jets currently have the wide receiver talent or tight end
10:52talent to say, yeah, come in here and be a bridge option for our next rookie quarterback
10:57that we want to draft, um, whether it be this year or next year.
11:00So I, I just, I don't understand the Derek Carr hype.
11:03I don't understand these rumors in my opinion.
11:05I think it's a stretch.
11:06They're hype?
11:07They're hype?
11:08Kaz, it's everywhere right now.
11:10Jets fans.
11:11They're desperate, man.
11:12They're desperate for quarterback news.
11:13And that's, that's ultimately what it's coming down to here with this Derek Carr rumors.
11:18Um, yeah, the other car I remember about Derek Carr that like was, cause there was some
11:25like, um, Monday morning quarterbacking of like, should they have gotten him instead
11:31of Aaron Rodgers?
11:32Right.
11:32So 2024 solid gets fired after five games, Dennis Allen gets fired like a month later with Derek
11:39Carr as his quarterback.
11:40So I remember I made a point to somebody like, well, the only other coach that got fired,
11:45he was our quarterback for, and he was still healthy when Dennis Allen got fired.
11:48Um, I mean, he was playing, I don't know how healthy he was playing though.
11:51So they like, they weren't good.
11:54It's been a while since Derek Carr has been on a good team too.
11:56Like, uh, he, uh, he hasn't been able to carry a team to Frankie's point.
12:00He really needs somewhere with a really good defense, a really good offensive line and
12:04some weapons around them to, to succeed.
12:06I think that doesn't scream jets at all.
12:08I'm just going to be honest.
12:09No, it's not jets right now.
12:10Kaz, I was going to ask you, do you think there's any connection or any good relationship
12:15there or something that was building when Derek Carr did go and visit the jets and they
12:20went out to dinner and stuff.
12:21Is there any connection maybe with the Johnsons?
12:22Like they liked each other to a degree.
12:24And maybe he met with the Johnsons, uh, never, I would have to agree.
12:28Yeah.
12:28I don't think so.
12:29I mean, they, he came here and like right around this time of year, it was like the
12:33dead of winter.
12:34I remember somebody got a picture of them at a restaurant and summit and it was Sala.
12:39And it was Sala, Nate Hackett, Joe Douglas, and maybe another assistant coach.
12:44I can't remember if like Todd Downing was there maybe or something like that, but I don't
12:48think it ever got to the level of him, him being the Johnsons and they're not the combine.
12:54I mean, Christopher went to the combine with some, but when he's never at the combine.
12:57So I don't think that happened.
12:59I, so I, everyone's gone.
13:01You know, that was here, Frankie, when he, when he was here, I, you know, if he did get
13:04a good feel.
13:06Yeah.
13:07Uh, that's the rumors right now.
13:09Like I said, the jets fans are desperate for quarterback news and where this team is
13:13going.
13:13So they're trying to connect the dots as, as bill must great quarterback coach.
13:16She's got it like, but bill must waves.
13:18I mean, bill must great has coached about 8,000, 8,000 quarterbacks.
13:22I mean, I can, I can bring up Joe.
13:24If we want everyone, you want to bring him back.
13:27You could pick a quarterback out of the hat and bill must like it's, it's crazy.
13:31But it was his best years though, is the point.
13:33Like I understand, but it was a third and MVP.
13:36But he was 24 years old.
13:3825 years old.
13:40All right.
13:41Do you want Derek Carr?
13:42No, I don't.
13:43All right.
13:44That's all I want.
13:44Uh, with that being said, who do you want?
13:48Who do you want?
13:49Um, I want Jacoby Brissett.
13:51My man, my man.
13:53Who do you want, Ryan?
13:54Jacoby Brissett.
13:57You're going to guys get a trade for Jacoby Brissett, huh?
14:00I don't think Brissett fits with, uh, the floor is trying to do a conditional five.
14:05Cause for a conditional five.
14:08Okay.
14:08That can become, I just can't believe we're giving up a draft pick for Jacoby Brissett in
14:12the year, 2026.
14:14So one year, it's a one year, $9 million deal you're absorbing.
14:17So yeah.
14:18I mean, you need that.
14:20Don't you agree?
14:20The jets need a actual viable starting veteran quarterback.
14:26Yes.
14:27I'm not sure.
14:28Jacoby Brissett's that guy.
14:30Really?
14:31Threw for over 3000 yards has a 67% completion percentage.
14:34Like I'll say this, throw it for over 3000 yards.
14:38If you're playing a lot and throwing a lot, isn't really that impressive.
14:41What's the card?
14:42What was the Cardinals record with Jacoby Brissett?
14:43They had three wins, four wins last year, right?
14:46Three wins last year.
14:46I think they went.
14:47Yeah.
14:47How many would Jacoby Brissett a quarterback?
14:48I, Hey, you know what?
14:51Might be worth tanking this year for that number one.
14:53Cause you know what I want?
14:54The only reason I want Brissett is I think he'll get, he gets the ball out.
14:58He doesn't overthink in the pocket.
15:00He gets some juice behind.
15:02He's got some juice back there.
15:03I mean, like Trey McBride had one of the best tight end seasons ever.
15:07Trey McBride's phenomenal.
15:08So I'm not saying that, but I'm, you know, maybe it's Mason Taylor more looks and develops
15:13him out a little bit.
15:14He'll throw the ball to Garrett Wilson.
15:15I'll tell you that much.
15:16You know, it's like these guys, we have, I go, these, these quarterbacks, they're either
15:20afraid to throw the ball, they're semi-retired, they're terrible, or, you know, that
15:25they only deserve to be on a football field.
15:27At least this guy's none of those things.
15:29Yes.
15:29So that's where we're at right now.
15:30He was, he was one in 11 as the quarterback of the Cardinals last year.
15:34That was followed up by a one in four.
15:37That's great for the tank.
15:38He was one in four.
15:39But why do you, well, why do you need a viable quarterback if you're tanking, bro?
15:42Then you can have Brady Cook be the quarterback.
15:45He was, he was one in four in 2024.
15:47You guys may remember that one win was against the Jets.
15:50Yeah, it was.
15:52He had a good game.
15:53Yeah.
15:53It's, he's, he's never had a winning record as a quarterback.
15:57Um, I don't know, guys, I'm not sure I'm buying the Jacoby Brissett.
16:02So you're on, on the board with Kirk Cousins then?
16:05I'm on board with Kirk Cousins.
16:06I think I'm fine with Kirk Cousins.
16:08Like I think Kirk Cousins could be a great veteran for whatever rookie you want to draft
16:12this year or next year as well.
16:13If you sign to a two-year deal.
16:14Yeah.
16:14But also why would Kirk Cousins want the Jets?
16:18You think he's going to have a lot of options?
16:20I do.
16:21He's a, he's a quarterback that can still play at a high level.
16:24He'll have a lot and he'll have a few, maybe two, three.
16:27I don't think he's got a lot.
16:28Yeah.
16:28And you're going to have to pay.
16:29Look, look, he's won the business of the NFL.
16:32Kirk Cousins has done better than anybody in terms of, so you're going to have to pay a
16:36lot of money.
16:36He's turned down the Jets in the past though.
16:38So why would he come here now?
16:39He turned down the Jets.
16:40Yeah.
16:41Cause, cause the Vikings were going to guarantee his entire contract.
16:44Like, and I don't think he's going to, I think the Jets would probably have to pay a little
16:48Jets tax to get them.
16:50You're going to have to pay a little more, but I don't know.
16:52I think he's at a different phase in his career.
16:54I think that was just about the Vikings felt like a better fit for him in terms of what
16:58they were offering.
16:59I think Kirk Cousins guys, I, I, I do like the thought, sorry to cut you off cause I do
17:03like the thought of cousins.
17:04I'll say this though.
17:05I think Cousins is going to fall off a cliff very, very soon.
17:09Like, I think if you start him, he either will get hurt or he's completely, they thought
17:14he was finished a few years ago.
17:16So just throwing that out there, but yeah, but I don't think if we're talking to anybody
17:21in their thirties, Frankie, you're probably, that's probably, probably the case, right?
17:26Yeah.
17:26Even Brissette.
17:27Yeah.
17:27He's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, yeah.
17:28Yeah.
17:29Yeah.
17:29And I mean, and Derek Carr, you're certainly talking about that.
17:33You know, Marcus Mariota, if you want to throw him in the conversation too, I think that's
17:37the same, anyone who's in their thirties now, their, their, the injury risk is high.
17:42I will say this with the jets.
17:44Uh, if they did want to go the expensive route of signing Kirk cousins, uh, cause you are
17:48going to probably pay jets tax on top of the Aaron Rogers, $35 million dead cap.
17:53We expect the jets to also cut Justin Fields.
17:56If they post June 1st cut him, that's a 10, that's a, sorry, excuse me.
17:59They'll save 10 million on the cap, but they will absorb a $13 million dead cap.
18:06It's so that's 40, 10 million.
18:07I think it's one, one million.
18:09I think Ryan, I'm seeing on over the cap, dead money.
18:13I see 13 million.
18:16They save one million.
18:17I thought they say, I'll post, I'll post you one.
18:19You're going, okay.
18:20I gotcha.
18:20Because they'll say I was, I was doing a preg one.
18:22Yeah.
18:22If they do post June one, it designated that they'll, they'll have a $13 million dead cap,
18:27but they'll save 10 million on the cap itself to boost them up to 93 million in cap space.
18:33I don't think you really need to do.
18:35They have enough cap space.
18:36Like I would just eat, I would just eat it now and be clean of everything in 2027.
18:41That probably makes sense.
18:42All right.
18:42Let me throw this one at you guys.
18:44Cause I've been thinking about this.
18:46All these options are on inspiring.
18:49Correct.
18:49With quarterback, we can all agree on that.
18:52What if you just keep Justin Fields?
18:54You're the second person that said that.
18:56I saw something on ESPN yesterday that was making the rounds that someone wrote.
19:01Forgive me.
19:01I don't know who wrote it.
19:02They said, bring back Justin Fields and run it back for another year.
19:05You will tank for the number one pick.
19:07If you bring back Justin Fields, I'm just telling you right now, it'll be a disaster.
19:11Do you want to know my actual opinion on that?
19:13Yeah.
19:14Or do you want me to give you the PC answer?
19:16Sure.
19:17Either way.
19:17Okay.
19:18I'll give you my actual opinion.
19:19Not that I wasn't anyway, but I don't want Justin Fields anywhere near this locker room
19:24because I don't think Justin Fields loves football.
19:26And I, I really don't think he's, he's a competitor to that degree.
19:30I hate crapping on him, but we said it and I don't know him personally.
19:35Seems like a great guy to a, to an extent, but he didn't even want to play in the pro
19:39bowl.
19:40He didn't want to play at the end of the season.
19:41He didn't want to play in the pro bowl.
19:43Ryan, I don't think that I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even use that as an example.
19:46I would use the cause in the locker room after he got benched and he doesn't want to talk
19:50to them.
19:51There you go.
19:51That more as an example of who are you as a leader and who are you as a player?
19:56And well, I thought the worst answer was when someone asked him, what if they have a wild
20:01cap package for you?
20:02He was like, well, that leads to like soft tissue.
20:05He's like, that was a horrible answer.
20:08And yeah, that was the one I was like, Ooh boy, you know, that's that stuff.
20:12So yeah, I hear you, but I'm just like, I just thrown it out there because I think the
20:16Jets are probably sitting around the room right now, having this conversation and it's
20:20probably getting thrown out there.
20:21Like, what if, you know, well, we've got a new, new core.
20:24And I don't think he fits Frank Reich at all.
20:26That's the other part of this.
20:27Like he doesn't seem to fit, but like, you know, the new coaches, could they get through
20:31to him?
20:32You know, I don't know.
20:34Can they tap into whatever happened against Pittsburgh and then make it happen more than
20:37one week?
20:38Yeah.
20:39Cause we just did an episode.
20:40Um, we just did some content for how to fix the jets.
20:44We just did a whole thing on it.
20:45Um, and you know, the common theme we came up with was we just want guys that are that
20:51love football and want to compete.
20:53I think that's what this locker room needs.
20:55I think to what Harrison Phillips said, whether that's true or not, who knows, but saying that
21:00he came into a team where it seems like it was cancerous or whatever he called it.
21:05I kind of get, I kind of get that vibe from my perspective as a fan, just looking from
21:09the outside in and talking about this team and doing content around them.
21:13I kind of get that feeling too.
21:15Like, I don't think these guys love football and they're not like, they're not competitive.
21:19You're nuts.
21:19They love, you're nuts.
21:21I mean, you got, they, I didn't, Justin Fields, like if you line up the jets, but like, okay,
21:29but it's hard to love football when you're Owen seven, like that's true.
21:32It's hard to love football.
21:33Like you can't compare it to somewhere where they're winning a lot of games.
21:38So like, I don't blame guys who it gets tough to keep going.
21:42Like, and that's like, I talked to Harrison Phillips about this and what he meant.
21:47Uh, cause I went for him to clarify what he meant that day.
21:49And he was like, I'm not talking about the guys in the locker room being bad guys.
21:52He's like, we have great guys in the locker room.
21:55The one thing Sala and Douglas did really well was identify good people and bring them into
22:00the organization.
22:01Aaron Glenn has even said that himself, but so it's not that it's just that there's this
22:06malaise inside the jets that happens from everyone in the building, not just pliers, not
22:12just coaches.
22:13Everyone, when things start going wrong, it's like, oh my God, it's another one of these
22:16seasons.
22:17How many, how much more of this can we take?
22:19And I think when you have guys like Quentin Williams is the prime example last year,
22:22right?
22:22It was like, I've had enough, like I need out of here.
22:25I need out of here.
22:26And I think, I think Quincy was affected by it a lot last year too.
22:30I thought he, I thought he showed some signs of it.
22:32You just see these guys who have been here five years, six years.
22:37That it's just like, oh my God, I can't take it anymore.
22:39And I don't think it's that they don't love football.
22:41I just think it's just wears on you.
22:44The losing year after year, after year, it wears on you.
22:47And then, but the only solution is to win.
22:49And that's, it's chicken or the egg type of thing.
22:53You know, you're, you're probably right.
22:54I was probably a little bit misspoken there saying that.
22:56I think when you see guys, Frankie, Vernon Golston didn't love football.
23:00Yeah.
23:00There you go.
23:01That's why Vernon Golston couldn't get on the field.
23:03Yeah.
23:03I think when you see guys who can't get on the field, that's when coaches go, I, this
23:08guy doesn't really love football.
23:09I think it's hard for us to know that for sure.
23:12But like, you know, Vernon, I always sense that like he just didn't love football and
23:16that's why he didn't work out.
23:18And that's like, sometimes these high draft picks, what happens with them?
23:22You know, you can go through busts.
23:23That's what happens a lot.
23:24Like the busts have talent.
23:25They, they, the draft mistakes, usually the person.
23:29So, but I don't think the Jets have a problem in that area.
23:32And, you know, every, and every, like, I think I made a joke about John Harbaugh signing
23:35out a few weeks ago on here.
23:36Right.
23:36Like, cause that's like, someone asked like, what are you looking for?
23:39Guys who love football.
23:40Like that's what every coach says.
23:42Yeah.
23:43I just can't see a guy like Justin Fields returning to this team.
23:46I just.
23:48Yeah.
23:48I'd be shocked.
23:49I'd be shocked.
23:50But like, I'm just drawing, just throwing it out there.
23:51No, I know.
23:53I know.
23:53It's just, you know, does the owner, does the owner say that at some point?
23:56Although he didn't seem like a fan of him in the middle of the season.
23:59Yeah.
23:59He didn't seem like a fan of him at all.
24:01There's one option we didn't touch on though, guys.
24:03It's putrid football though, from, from, from Justin Fields.
24:05Like I just, I, I can't watch him play.
24:08He holds the ball too long.
24:09He gets his wide receivers killed.
24:11He doesn't hit guys open when they're supposed to be.
24:14He's very inaccurate wildly.
24:16And he doesn't run the ball like you would hope in a, in a, if you wanted to run a read
24:20option as much as you want.
24:21And I don't think he's going to do in the read option, to be honest with you.
24:23He was a lot of missed opportunities last year with that offense.
24:25So I think you've got to change this offense.
24:27And Frank Reich's going to change it.
24:28I know they're going to do a lot of RPOs because that's what he did with Carson Wentz.
24:32But like, I just, I would stay far away from, from this, whatever you want to call it project
24:38of Justin Fields.
24:39I would just cut, cut bait and call it a day with that experiment.
24:42It was a one year failed experiment with Justin Fields.
24:44Do you guys think, or cause, do you think he's, he's, what's the percentage chance that
24:49he's caught?
24:50What is like 70%?
24:51Something like that.
24:53That Justin Fields is cut?
24:54Yeah.
24:55Well, I think it's 90.
24:56I know.
24:56I think it's, I mean, I'd be shocked if he wasn't cut.
24:59I think it's 90%.
25:00Okay.
25:01I'll leave it 10%.
25:02You know, you never know type of thing, but yeah, I think it's 90%.
25:04Yeah.
25:06With that being said, cause we, we talked about coordinators and coaches.
25:10The jets finally have filled out most of their staff, if not all of their staff now.
25:15So notable names here.
25:16And I wanted to get your takeaways on some of these coordinate coaches that have been hired.
25:20So now we know that Frank Reich is the offensive coordinator, Brian Duker's defensive coordinator.
25:24They brought back Chris Banjo as a special teams coordinator to fill out the rest of
25:27the staff.
25:28Some notable, notable names, Carl Dunbar, making his jets return as defensive line coach coming
25:32over from the Steelers.
25:33They also retained Steve Hyden as offensive line coach.
25:37Sean Jefferson stays as offensive as wide receiver coach.
25:39They bring in Seth Ryan, the son of former jets head coach Rex Ryan to be the passing game
25:47coordinator.
25:47They also bring in bill Musgrave as the quarterback's coach, Alfredo Roberts as the tight ends coach.
25:53And then on the defensive side of the ball, there's some names here, Colin Bauer, Nathaniel
25:57Willingham, Ben Rawling, Ronald Booker, Cameron Davis.
26:03I mean, what do you think about that's notable from these jets coaching staff that they filled
26:08out besides what I just, we just talked about there.
26:11Other than Musgrave, the names that have come every side, you know, actually offense seems
26:20to have more experience than defense.
26:22The defensive guys seem to lack experience to me.
26:25So that's not always a bad thing, but I think it's notable is that a lot of these guys, one
26:30of those guys was from the, came from the UFL.
26:32Another guy was assistant outside linebackers coach with the Texans, you know, they've kind
26:38of been low level coaches in the NFL if they've been in the NFL.
26:42So, you know, this is going to be Aaron Glenn's defense.
26:45I think that's, that's pretty evident.
26:47He doesn't have a whole lot of experience over there helping him.
26:49Uh, Chris Harris is probably the most notable, you know, guy back that's going to help him
26:56out.
26:56Carl Dunbar is experienced, so he's different.
26:59And I thought Dunbar was a good coach.
27:01He was with the Jets under Rex, helped develop Snacks Harrison.
27:05You know, that's probably the most notable part of his, his time here and then did a good
27:10job in Pittsburgh.
27:11They always had a good defensive line.
27:12Obviously they had some good players, but he did a good job.
27:14So yeah, Carl Dunbar is a pretty respected coach that stood out to me.
27:18Um, with Dunbar, what I thought was interesting is that he comes from the Steelers.
27:23Uh, they ran mostly a three, four defense and Dunbar's coach, mostly a three, four defense.
27:27And there's been thought about what the Jets are going to run defensively under Aaron Glenn.
27:31Now he's been multiple, uh, in terms of four, three, three, four, uh, multiple fronts in
27:37Detroit.
27:38Uh, could you see the Jets going to a three, four defense primarily here coming up this year?
27:44I don't, I don't think it's as rooted in primary defense as it used to be, Ryan.
27:51Like the three, that used to be a big thing, three, four, four.
27:53I think these teams all do multiple stuff now.
27:55And so much of your time you're spent in sub packages with like, you know, nickels out
28:00there.
28:00Like think about, think about what the nickel back has become.
28:03Yeah.
28:04Right.
28:04How important that position has become because they're on the field for so much of the game.
28:09Now it used to be like a spot thing.
28:11So I wouldn't get hung up on three, four, four, three.
28:14I think they're probably going to be multiple up there.
28:17The only position that really affects in my mind is, is like the defensive ends versus
28:21outside linebackers.
28:22That kind of, do they, do they have guys that can play both of those?
28:25And I think, I think they do.
28:27I think Will and Jermaine probably, I think Will's probably better suited for a three, four
28:31actually.
28:33Um, you know, and then do you play a nose tackle versus playing three technique, that kind of
28:38stuff, but, uh, I wouldn't get, I wouldn't get too hung up on it.
28:42Yeah.
28:42That's the thing we were talking about this earlier cause they're going to look at, I
28:46think in the draft, if they're want to run a three, four, some of these five techniques
28:51are pretty unique.
28:52You have the kid out of Alabama, LT Overton.
28:55That's somebody that plays literally a five tech, like a JFM kind of guy.
28:59Um, so they're going to look at that.
29:00And then you look at like a Caden McDonald defensive tackle who probably fits a three, four because
29:06he's a nose guard or nose tech, um, nose tackle versus Peter Woods, who's a defensive tackle
29:13in a four, three.
29:14So, I mean, I don't know how much that'll affect it.
29:17I think it will a little bit, but to your point, I love the thought of putting Will McDonald
29:22as an, as an OLB, as an outside linebacker slash edge, and then having a big guy next to
29:27him at the five tech to kind of alleviate some of that, you know, tackle, uh, you know, that
29:34tackle depth there and then, you know, you can get him playing off the tackle or the
29:38tight end.
29:39So yeah, I, I, I like this.
29:41I think in Pittsburgh, they did run a lot of three, four.
29:44That's their base, but yeah, they have over the years transitioned into hybrid models themselves,
29:49which they were always the team that ran the three, four, but, um, yeah, Dunbar, what
29:54he did there with TJ Watt and, and, and high Smith and those guys up front Cameron Hayward.
29:59I mean, they were, they were one of the best defensive fronts in football for, for the last
30:03five years, you know, I think, uh, ultimately like the reason why I highlighted the three,
30:09four defensive call Dunbar just because I wonder how it influences their decision on the draft
30:13and like the, the defensive ed pass rushers you're talking about with Arbel Reese, David
30:18Bailey and Ruben Bain, where they might go and just where their thoughts might be, uh, at
30:23that number two spot.
30:24Yeah.
30:24It's just interesting, uh, seeing who they hire and maybe it gives you some clues on
30:29where they're going here.
30:30Yeah.
30:30I spoke to Matt Miller from ESPN this morning for, I'm going to do my, my newsletter next
30:36week.
30:36And he was mentioning that I asked him about defensive tackle and he said, this draft has
30:42a lot more nose tackles than, than three techniques.
30:45There's a lot of bigger guy, bigger body guys that he sees as nose tackles than your traditional
30:50three techniques.
30:51So maybe that plays into the decision as well.
30:54I think that would be fun.
30:56I think they need some, obviously they need some beef up the middle, help the linebackers
30:59out a little bit here, uh, and help suck.
31:01They need to be better against the run too.
31:02Just overall, they need to be better as defense overall.
31:05Um, one thing I do want to highlight real quick is Seth Ryan.
31:07I mean, what do you think about that cause the fact that he's coming from Detroit, he's
31:11getting promoted pretty much here as the passing game coordinator.
31:13It's another good, it's a good role for him to step up in the next part of his career.
31:16And it continues that lineage of buddy Ryan and Rex Ryan, who both coached
31:20with the Jets and now Seth Ryan gets to join the Jets as well.
31:24Yeah, it's pretty wild.
31:25Uh, just, you know, I remember Seth running around when Rex was here and I think I did
31:31a story the first year.
31:33I'm like buddy Rex and Seth.
31:36I have to look that up.
31:36Like, cause, cause it was clear.
31:38Seth was really into football.
31:39Rex had two sons, but Seth was the one who was really into football.
31:43And so it's wild that he's now in Florham park as a coach.
31:46And I actually sat next to Seth on a flight a few years ago from the combine when he
31:52was, he was with the chargers at that point, I think, but he was, he, uh, he was coming
31:57here to get married.
31:58Like he, his girlfriend was still in Jersey.
31:59So I sat next to him and talked to him for a while.
32:01Uh, and he was always just a really nice kid.
32:04It's shocking to me that Rex's kid could be a passing game coordinator.
32:08I mean, Rex must be like beside himself.
32:11Not only is he not a defensive coach, he's not even a running coach.
32:14He's a freaking passing game coordinator.
32:16So, and I'm curious to see, I got to feel in those getup episodes on Monday mornings,
32:21they're going to be very kind to the Jets now.
32:23Wow.
32:24They they're very pro Jets on the getup side.
32:26But anyway, with greenie as well, uh, Greenberg tends to Greenberg tends to go into the fatal
32:30Jets fan and Rex has been known to bang around some Jets coaches for the years.
32:35I got a feeling this year, it's going to be, Oh, it's not the coaches, the players.
32:41Remember when Rex did ask him what he wanted to do on offense, he would answer attack, attack.
32:45Um, look, the last piece of news that I do want to highlight cause is, uh, we're recording
32:53this on February 12th, February 17th, I believe is the first day that you can franchise tag
32:58players, uh, here in the NFL.
33:00And the big question that remains about Bruce Hall's future with the Jets, will they use
33:04the franchise tag on him on February 17th or during that period before free agency starts?
33:09What are your senses on how the Jets are going to attack Bruce Hall and will they let him
33:15walk or you think they might use the franchise tag on him?
33:18Yeah.
33:19I don't have a good sense right now.
33:20I think we'll know more at the combine.
33:21They're not going to do anything February 17th.
33:23Nobody does it then.
33:24What, what's the, what's the back end of that deadline, Ryan?
33:26You know, I believe it is March, March 3rd, I believe.
33:30Let me double check.
33:31I have, yes, March 3rd, March 3rd.
33:33Yeah.
33:34Yeah.
33:34March 3rd will be the day that the franchise tags get handed out probably for the most part.
33:38So I think we'll know more from the combine though.
33:41They'll probably, we'll probably get some, some vibes there and agents will be talking.
33:47So I think we'll know a little bit more at the combine in two weeks, but right now I'm
33:51not sure.
33:51I'm not sure what they're, what they're thinking there.
33:53And so it's a fascinating decision to me.
33:56It's not an easy one.
33:57Would you bring him back?
34:00Man, I don't remember ever going back and forth on something more than I've gone back and
34:04forth on Brees.
34:04I'm really torn because I love him as a player.
34:08But I get the running back thing and I have some maturity questions with Brees.
34:17You know, we talk about like stuff in the locker room.
34:20Guys, it floored me that Brees wasn't the MVP of his team.
34:24Floored me.
34:25Like that Isaiah Williams was voted the MVP of the team.
34:29No offense to Isaiah Williams, but for someone on special teams to be, get that.
34:33And you have a thousand yard rusher who at that point had played every game.
34:37He sat at the last game of the season.
34:38He played every game.
34:39He won the game in Cincinnati.
34:41He was clearly their best player on offense or defense.
34:44I don't think that's debatable.
34:46And he didn't get MVP voted on by his teamings.
34:49Like that, that, that shouted to me like, hmm, there's something in the locker room there where
34:56he doesn't, you know, he's not getting the respect of his teammates.
35:01So I don't know.
35:02I don't know the, I don't know the answer to that completely, but it makes me think.
35:06So I go back and forth.
35:07I, I, I really love the player.
35:10I think that's been clear.
35:10I defended him last when the Braylon Allen fest was going on last year, I was pretty
35:14staunch in the breeze category, but, um, I can see, I can see arguments for both sides
35:20here.
35:20What do you, where are you guys?
35:24Obviously I want to keep him, but under, like I was telling Ryan, I would franchise tag
35:30him, but the problem with the franchise tag is I think it's going to leave a bad taste
35:35in his mouth.
35:36I don't think he's going to be happy playing the whole year.
35:38It's like what Saquon went through with the giants.
35:40I just think it's the inevitable.
35:42If you franchise tag him, he's going to be gone.
35:45And what's the point of keeping them just for one year in sort of this rebuild year.
35:49So I kind of, kind of leaning towards, just let him go, man.
35:54Kind of let him go.
35:54The problem is cause this draft class at running back, in my opinion, is not that strong.
36:00I'm not, I'm not loving this class.
36:02There's guys at the top.
36:03I really love that free agency.
36:06We spoke about it.
36:07The problem with a guy like, with Kenneth Walker or Travis Etienne is they're always
36:15hurt too.
36:16Like they're in and out of the lineup all the time.
36:18Kenneth Walker's never healthy for more than like five games in a row.
36:21And same thing with Etienne.
36:23I don't know.
36:24I, I would, there's one running back.
36:26We didn't talk about him on our show, but I'll talk about him a bunch.
36:29I think with you guys, but, um, cause if we bring them up, I love you, Darian price, the
36:34other Notre Dame back.
36:35I think that is very good.
36:37Very good.
36:38I think that is a perfect fit for us.
36:40He's like Nick Chubb.
36:41He can be an every down back.
36:42Like, you're not going to get as much, uh, you know, uh, home run stuff like you will
36:47with, uh, with Brees necessarily.
36:49He's, he's pretty much, he's, he, I mean, he's a kick returner.
36:53Yeah, he is.
36:54Cause yeah, he's, he's, I mean, I watched, I watched a lot of him.
36:57I watched a lot of the Notre Dame and he's very, very good.
37:00So yeah, I would, I would sign up for that.
37:02Yeah.
37:02He's my favorite running back.
37:04And I like him better than Jeremiah love, honestly, as a, as an NFL running back, no,
37:09as an NFL, the only reason I do is I don't, Jeremiah loves frame.
37:14I don't know if he's that every down guy, Jeremiah love, like he becomes to like Jameer
37:19Gibbs a little bit.
37:20So I get that element to his game, but I just, I just think Jadarian price, there's no way
37:25if he's healthy, he's not going to be able to be a three down back in the NFL, Jeremiah
37:30love, he might have to go to the right place and be in the right scheme.
37:33I hate when you say that, man, the right place, the right scheme.
37:36If you're a great player, you're a great player.
37:38Learn how to use him.
37:39I've argued this so much on this show.
37:42The coaches need to be held responsible.
37:45If you can't coach a great player and put them in the right spot, that's on you.
37:49That's an indictment on you as a coach.
37:51Well, Puka Nakua have been successful here.
37:53I hate that argument.
37:54He should be successful everywhere.
37:56I don't Ryan.
37:57His talent is undeniable.
37:58Listen, you're not wrong in your assessment, but when you have a coaching staff that's
38:03just figuring it out, we don't even know who these coaches are, how they're going to
38:07be realistically.
38:08This might be a bad staff.
38:10Everyone's considering.
38:11So that means you don't take a great player?
38:12No, that means you take a player that's not scheme dependent.
38:16I hate that argument.
38:16Okay.
38:17I hate that argument.
38:18Kaz, that's an episode.
38:21Jeremiah love.
38:22Jeremiah love is going to be, he's going to be great.
38:25How good do you think he's going to be?
38:29Because I had this argument about Ashton Gentry last year.
38:31I didn't think he was as propped up as people thought.
38:34He's better than Ashton Gentry.
38:35Okay.
38:35He's better than Ashton Gentry.
38:37I think he could be an all pro running back.
38:39Okay.
38:40You know?
38:40Yeah.
38:41I think Jadarian Price can too.
38:44By the way, Jeremiah love second in my rankings, if anyone cares.
38:48So I'm not, I don't think I have him like fifth, but whatever.
38:51I'm going to say this.
38:52The big board.
38:52The Frankie big board.
38:53The Frankie big board.
38:54It's on my back.
38:55My final part about all this, I would also franchise tag Reese Hall.
38:59Give it one more year, see what happens.
39:01Because I don't think the Jets are going to find an answer at running back in this draft,
39:06ultimately, because I think they have so many other needs.
39:08And when you have the assets already invested in the running back room like they do, just keep
39:12it running for one more year and see what happens with a new offensive coordinator.
39:14Because she might be overhauling it all after this upcoming season.
39:17That's an episode of Gangs All Here.
39:19Cosby, thank you, as always, for hopping on here and giving us all your analysis.
39:22We're looking forward to your coverage as we get ready for the combine coming up here.
39:25The offseason just keeps on rolling, baby.
39:27And we're going to keep on rolling here, too.
39:28Thanks, Cos.
39:30Thanks, guys.
39:30All right.
39:30Thanks, guys.
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