ಭಾರತ-ಚೀನಾ ಗಡಿ ಸಂಘರ್ಷದ ವಿಚಾರವಾಗಿ ಲೋಕಸಭೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಆಡಳಿತ ಮತ್ತು ವಿಪಕ್ಷಗಳ ನಡುವೆ ತೀವ್ರ ವಾಕ್ಸಮರ ನಡೆದಿದೆ. ನಿವೃತ್ತ ಸೇನಾ ಮುಖ್ಯಸ್ಥ ಎಂ.ಎಂ. ನರವಾಣೆ ಅವರ ಇನ್ನೂ ಪ್ರಕಟವಾಗದ 'ಫೋರ್ ಸ್ಟಾರ್ಸ್ ಆಫ್ ಡೆಸ್ಟಿನಿ' ಪುಸ್ತಕವನ್ನು ಉಲ್ಲೇಖಿಸಿ, 2020ರ ಗಡಿ ಸಂಘರ್ಷದ ವೇಳೆ ಪ್ರಧಾನಿ ಮೋದಿ ಕರ್ತವ್ಯ ಲೋಪ ಎಸಗಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂದು ರಾಹುಲ್ ಗಾಂಧಿ ಗಂಭೀರ ಆರೋಪ ಮಾಡಿದರು. "ಚೀನಾ ಟ್ಯಾಂಕರ್ಗಳು ನುಗ್ಗಿದಾಗ ಮೋದಿ ಸೇನೆಯ ಬೆನ್ನಿಗೆ ನಿಲ್ಲಲಿಲ್ಲ" ಎಂದು ರಾಹುಲ್ ವಾಗ್ದಾಳಿ ನಡೆಸಿದರು. ಇದಕ್ಕೆ ಆಕ್ಷೇಪ ವ್ಯಕ್ತಪಡಿಸಿದ ಗೃಹ ಸಚಿವ ಅಮಿತ್ ಶಾ, ಪ್ರಕಟವಾಗದ ಪುಸ್ತಕದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚರ್ಚಿಸುವುದು ನಿಯಮಬಾಹಿರ ಎಂದು ತಿರುಗೇಟು ನೀಡಿದರು. ಈ ಗದ್ದಲದ ನಡುವೆಯೇ ವಿಪಕ್ಷಗಳು ಮೋದಿಗೆ ಮುತ್ತಿಗೆ ಹಾಕಲು ಯತ್ನಿಸಿದ ಪ್ರಸಂಗವೂ ನಡೆಯಿತು.
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00:00Hello, welcome to the left, right and center.
00:30Thank you very much.
01:00The Chinese and Chinese tanks are now in the 20th century.
01:30Two stars of destiny
01:45There are so many
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01:59And this is from
02:29the memoir of Army Chief Narawane.
02:37And I'd like you to listen nicely.
02:42You will understand exactly who is patriotic, who is not.
02:50It'll take a little while so this is about when four Chinese tanks were entering
02:58Indian territory, they were taking a ridge in Dhoklam.
03:06And the Army Chief writes, and I quote from an article that is quoting his book, the tanks
03:14were within a few hundred meters of Indian positions on the Kailash range.
03:22He is not yielding.
03:23He is not yielding.
03:24Sir Sir, he is not yielding.
03:25He is not yielding.
03:26The Army is not yielding.
03:27He is on the force.
03:29The gun's enough power cannot involve.
03:31How it is?
03:32What is?
03:33It's not yielding.
03:34It's not yielding.
03:36It's not yielding.
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04:17so so these are the memoirs of general naravani in which
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08:22સોસાં સામયુણ સોહરશાં સાંતરવામ સાહંતિં હીં પસાંતામય ક�ળિં સોહંતરવના સીંતિં રોહેં સા
08:52Pusey New Year's
08:54Brigade
08:54Ravi Joshi
08:55Jyothra
08:57Kshamisi
08:58Dinesh Mudri
09:01Kshamisi Sir
09:03BJP
09:05Hecchan Chandrashkar
09:06Your name is Raviy Joshi
09:09Cabinet Secretary
09:12Maisoori
09:17Namaste
09:19Namaste.
09:49At the same time, there were 7 people in Eastern Ladakh, like Damchook, Depsang, Nindahidudu, Pengong Lake.
10:01There were 5 people in the same time, and there were 7 people in the same time.
10:07General Muku, Narvan, is the case.
10:11There were no operational details.
10:17But at that point, we would have to do the same.
10:20The government was the government.
10:24The government was the case.
10:27Caravan magazine was the case.
10:30The PTI was the case.
10:34In the public domain, they were the case.
10:39In Ragingla, there were Chinese tankers who were carrying the infantry troops.
10:50I was with Rajnath Singh, Ajit Doval, Jai Shankar, and Rakshana and Karyadarishvili.
10:58It was at night at night at night.
11:00At night at night at night at night at night at night at night at night at night at night at night at night.
11:08The people who were telling to see their ancestors were the first-mantarici,
11:11I was telling them, that they were just the first-mantarici.
11:14The first-mantarici was the first-mantarici, which he was doing the last-mantarici,
11:17which was in the early days at night at night.
11:21The other was the layman interpretation.
11:25The interpretation of my own, the only one came from the first-mantarici.
11:31They were in the early days at night at night at night at night,
11:35operational detail northern command joshi our guy in northern command mukha stragi through
11:43our own pustak over there who dares wins a soldiers
11:52on 15th june the galvan incident happened after due planning and preparation we launched the quid
11:57pro quo operations in the area of r2 complex that is rejingla and rechinla on the kailash ranges
12:03on the north and south bank of pengang so and even further north in the area of kewla and anila passes
12:09we completely took the pla the chinese army and by surprise brought them back to the negotiation
12:17table and forced them to beat a hasty retreat this was operation snow leo pad
12:24general naravadi in baritare nana ke yk joshi call madhidro northern commander mukha stragi
12:31is
12:38I am the one who is interpreting.
12:46In the same way,
12:50Joe is saying,
12:52Joe is saying,
12:56He is saying,
12:58He is saying,
13:00He is saying,
13:02I am not saying,
13:04I don't know what the government is doing, but it's the same thing.
13:10But it's important that it's important.
13:15General Mukundarvani is very important.
13:18It's important to declassify it.
13:21It's important to interpret it.
13:25Rahul Gandhi said,
13:27Yes, I know.
13:57Dinesh Mudraevaar Anakkeldbeko, Sir, Jo Uchith Samjo, O Karo,
14:01Ito Pradani Narendra Modiyaaura Succha Naya Agittu Unta.
14:04Ito Nyao Rithi Nao Bavisa Beko.
14:06Asaiika Aanthi Aanthi Bavisa Beko, Unta Congress Hedate.
14:10Illa, Sautantra Kutru Unta BJP Hedate.
14:13How Bavisa Bekoedate?
14:14In the army, one the old saying is,
14:17In the absence of orders, assume what they ought to be.
14:21In the absence of orders, assume what they ought to be.
14:24tactical battle area in Galvan Valley in Galvan Valley, R2 complex and reform,
14:33Razangla, Rachin Laanthi, a ridge in Magar Hill, Gurunghul, a ridge line.
14:41That was overlooking.
14:44In August, it was occupied by Razangla Post.
14:471962 operation, it was occupied by Occupy.
14:50Now, on our own, it was overlooking the Chinese garrison.
14:58Modo garrison was overlooking.
15:00They were destabilized by our tanks.
15:05Four tanks were supported by infantry.
15:08Basically, in these areas, infantry supported by armor.
15:13So, when it was a show of strength,
15:16the tactical battle area commander,
15:21in the normal course of action,
15:23commander on ground, he takes the action.
15:25But in this situation, there is history to this.
15:341993, 1996, 2005, 2013,
15:38we had a pact.
15:40Within two kilometers of LAC on either side,
15:43arms, now to go and hold on,
15:46that will be used.
15:47There is no embargo on taking arms.
15:49But there is an embargo on use of arms.
15:51Firing.
15:52Firing.
15:53There is no embargo.
15:54There is no embargo on use of arms.
15:55Firing.
15:56Firing.
15:57There is no embargo.
15:58Firing.
15:59So, that is the reason why he had to.
16:01And secondly, our,
16:02Pradhan Mantri Daniel Kutkoondu,
16:04battle area commander,
16:05he won't know.
16:06What will he say?
16:07One division will move.
16:08One brigade will move.
16:09Tanks will position.
16:10All that he will tell is,
16:11whatever the tactical battle area commander,
16:13maybe a battalion commander,
16:14or a brigade commander,
16:15or a divisional commander.
16:16All that he will tell is,
16:17whatever the tactical battle area commander,
16:19maybe a battalion commander,
16:20or a brigade commander,
16:21or a divisional commander,
16:22they will ask again.
16:23That's the personal command.
16:24That is the man of about
16:25ten, twelve thousand infantry soldiers.
16:26Maybe a battalion commander,
16:27or a brigade commander,
16:28or a divisional commander.
16:29He will tell you how he can tell the battle.
16:31In this case,
16:32the man who was a man of about
16:33ten, twelve thousand,
16:34infantry soldiers.
16:35For example,
16:36commander.
16:37If the man had an idea.
16:38He had an idea.
16:39Terrain, build-up,
16:40timesis.
16:41How does he appreciate the battle?
16:43That's what he chose.
16:44They were told.
16:45They were told.
16:46The man who still did action
16:48to fight first.
16:49First play.
16:50And we are talking about heights of 6,000 meters and above, 6,000 meters, which is about
16:5718,000 feet.
16:58So I think that is the only thing that is the freedom of action given to the local commander
17:10is our interpretation.
17:13Had it been anything else...
17:14So free hand?
17:15Yes, of course.
17:16Free hand to the troops.
17:18Secondly, this has to be seen in the backdrop of isolated incidents.
17:22In Pakistan, in 2016, we had a surgical strike.
17:26In 2019, we had a URI strike.
17:30In 2025, we had an operation.
17:34Build up along the LAC.
17:35This is the Raksha Mantri, Hindgade.
17:37That's how it is.
17:39Purposely, we don't build infrastructure along the LAC.
17:42It helps the Chinese.
17:44On the floor of the house, it's how it is.
17:46Post-2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, we had a skirmish and stand-offs started.
17:54Now, we have to develop infrastructure, shelters, roads, bridges and bridges.
17:59This has been the Chinese.
18:02This is the pain point.
18:04For the Chinese, let's say, from Dubrook to DBO.
18:10Now, almost about 250-odd kilometers on the road along the Sherlock River.
18:14That's why we build it.
18:15That's why we build it.
18:16That's why we build it faster.
18:17That's why we build it faster.
18:19That's why the men and material movement is faster.
18:22That's why we build it.
18:23That's why we build it.
18:24In 2008, it was a decision for Congress and the government.
18:27But that's why we build it.
18:29Actually, on the ground, we build it.
18:31So, this has hit the Chinese.
18:33So, that is how various stand-offs have taken place.
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18:49So, these are my opening comments.
18:50I think...
18:51Yes, yes.
18:52Joshi, sir.
18:53Without you, sir, no one gets to the same.
18:55I will tell you.
18:57Now, no one, no one gets to the same.
19:02But one important fact that the security of the government is not committed to the government.
19:09On the existing protocol, on the China border, the existing protocol is that you will not open fire unless cleared at the topmost level.
19:23So, of course, General Narwani had to escalate the problem to the level of Rajnath Singh, Defense Minister, Ajit Doval, NSA, and Jay Shankar, our external affairs minister.
19:36And he kept asking them one question, what are my orders?
19:41So, because there is an existing protocol, there is a question.
19:47Yes.
19:48There is an existing protocol, but there is no protocol on the Pakistan border.
19:56There is a local commander who is suitable for the reply.
20:02So, the situation is very different, the orders are very different.
20:11So, that is why General Narwani had to escalate the matter to the highest level in Delhi.
20:19So, the Prime Minister has decided to hand over his responsibility to the local, I mean, army chief and to the local commanders.
20:39But there was an extreme possibility of this escalating into a major war between India and China because the tanks were coming almost 200-300 meters away from our tanks.
20:57Finally, you know, at about soon after Rajnath Singh says this, Chinese PLA commander, he sends a message, he says, let us cool the situation, let us have a meeting tomorrow morning at 9.30 and then we will consider the matter.
21:18Now, General Narwani tells General Joshi, you just do not open fire, but take your tanks as far as possible and put them in a position of offense.
21:31But put your cannon down, you know, right up to the eyeball-to-eyeball level, so this is what exactly happens on that day, on the night of 29th, 30th, August, 2020.
21:50So, here we are, the dangerous situation, but the matter was almost getting into a trigger point.
22:02A trigger point, the trigger point comes to India, India will be blamed as an aggressor.
22:13So, I think General Narwani was right.
22:27Sir, the question is, you know, the top leadership of the Rekshana Sachivaru and PM is very important.
22:34So, the other direction of the Rekshana Sachivaru, the PM is very important.
22:35The other direction of the Rekshana Sachivaru, the PM is very important.
22:39The Prime Minister actually should have given a very decisive reply.
22:54Either fire or do not fire.
22:57He should have said, I will take up the matter at the political level.
23:03Do not escalate the matter.
23:06And, you know, wait for a few more hours.
23:10Because, there is always a hotline connection between the DGMOs from Delhi and also with Beijing.
23:19We have a hotline in Pakistan.
23:23We should have asked the DGMO in Beijing, in the PLA command headquarters,
23:32If you are a local tactical commander,
23:36Now, Yavataraj's job,
23:39If you approve this,
23:42If you do not have any questions,
23:46But, anyway,
23:47Now, it is all, you know, it is all wisdom and hindsight.
23:51That is useless.
23:52But,
23:59I think Prime Minister should have been more decisive because,
24:02Yes.
24:03The Chief of AVI Staff is asking for a clear direction.
24:07Yes.
24:08Yes.
24:24Does he end up?
24:26Yeah he does.
24:27He does not have a top leadership.
24:30The system is the right place.
24:32Yes.
24:33We should all make these technical subjects.
24:35We just want to make these decisions as far as ourimientoites.
24:41We should have decided on and decided on and decided on.
24:47This was a big issue.
24:49We had a very different manager.
24:52?
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25:22It's an article.
25:24Narvanes, Moment of Truth.
25:27It's been an article.
25:29It's been about 40 pages.
25:32It's been about a lot of people.
25:35It's been about a lot of people.
25:37It's not published.
25:39This magazine is the leftistist.
25:43The India-biter and Modi-biter is secondary.
25:45Look.
25:46The Modi-biter is a few people who are interested in the district.
25:50It's been about a lot of people who are interested in the district.
25:52Why are they interested in the events?
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26:40I don't want to talk about the firing in China.
26:43I don't want to talk about the treaty about the Border Peace and Tranquility Agreement in 1996.
26:49I don't want to talk about it anymore.
26:51What do you think?
26:52What do you think?
26:53What do you think?
26:54What do you think?
26:55What do you think?
26:56What do you think?
26:57What do you think?
26:58What do you think?
26:59In the 1980s, China is the Major General.
27:03Lulin is the chief of Indian Army.
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27:18...we should go on more advanced...
27:20... жoship or ni workers.
27:22With what the defense ministries us?
27:25Now, with the Prime Minister.
27:27If you ask, the pre-CD lead and dalej rank exists,
27:31you don't talk to the directory,
27:32No her consideration is a complaint against here.
27:34There is a difference between LOC and LASC.
27:37Pakistan and Bharatik is a line of control.
27:42So, there is a line of control.
27:45If you touch the line of control, you kill them.
27:48There is a line of actual control.
27:51There is no one in our treaties.
27:53There is no one in our own.
27:55There is no one in the military establishment.
27:57There is a place where one is at.
27:59There is a place where the events are at.
28:02According to the detainees,
28:04the court should be struck by the claims of the claims.
28:05There is no one in theвет or the claims of the claims.
28:07When the claims of the claims.
28:10If the claims of the claims is the case,
28:13the claims and the claims of the claims.
28:16So, the claims that the claims are correctly.
28:18that claim would be correct?
28:21the claim will be rules for the claims.
28:23it was a moment of profound isolation so narwane on the map of jnk and ladak on the wall it can
28:44note the eastern command on another he could visualize the location of each and every unit
28:50and formation in quotes even on the unmarked maps a hundred different thoughts flashed across his mind
28:58country was reeling under covid economy was faltering global supply chains had fractured
29:07would we be able to endure a steady supply of spares etc under these conditions in case of a
29:15long drawn-out action who were our supporters in the global arena and what about the
29:21collusive threat from china and pakistan and thaw raul ke kekota
29:27we are ready in all respects but i did not want really want to start the war
29:31oh but chief of army staff gay in thaw nirnay to go to the undu shakti samad ter tada
29:37kakken tereen terea or chunaitra allah or sir with due respect
29:48No, you should talk.
29:50You should talk.
29:52You should talk.
29:54You should talk.
29:56Congress provost.
29:58You should talk.
30:00You should talk.
30:02We should talk.
30:04We should talk.
30:06Listen, this is the first day of BJP.
30:10We should talk.
30:20We should talk.
30:22We should talk.
30:24We should talk about national security.
30:26We are speaking of history.
30:28We should talk about history.
30:30We should talk about national security.
30:32This is a serious issue.
30:34I don't have to talk.
30:36I don't have to talk.
30:38We should talk.
30:40Yes, I am not talking.
30:42This is something that General Narvan has said.
30:44What happened here?
30:46Oh, come on.
30:48Who said that?
30:50Who?
30:52Who said that?
30:54Who said this?
30:56Who said that?
30:58Who said that?
31:00Who said that?
31:02Who said that?
31:04You said that you're leadership.
31:06Yes, it's true. Yes, it's true. Naturally, this is not going to be asked for questions.
31:13So, these are all very serious matters.
31:17In this country, you can't speak.
31:20You can't speak. You can't speak.
31:22You can't speak. You can speak.
31:24You can speak.
31:26You can speak.
31:28You can speak.
31:32Rahul Gandhi is a question.
31:34It's not published in India.
31:36And the Ministry of Defence has not given permission.
31:39Just permission.
31:40People don't speak.
31:42They don't speak.
31:44I don't speak.
31:46You can't speak.
31:48You can't speak.
31:50You can speak.
31:52You can speak.
31:54You can speak.
31:56I don't have to say anything.
31:58So, this is a very serious issue.
32:01In this country,
32:03in the same time,
32:05I think that it is a matter of national security.
32:07In June,
32:09in the government,
32:10there are 20 people who are in the field.
32:12There are 20 people who are in the field.
32:14There are 20 people who are in the field.
32:16So, this is a very serious situation.
32:18In that country,
32:20in that country,
32:22the Prime Minister,
32:24I hate to say that
32:26the Prime Minister is going to get the phone.
32:28They can't get it.
32:30Look at that.
32:32They are not going to get the phone.
32:33The Chief of Army Staff is going to talk to the 4 generals.
32:37He is going to talk to the Doval.
32:39He is going to talk to the General Bipin,
32:43He is going to talk to the Ravath.
32:45He is going to talk to the Jashankar.
32:47He is going to talk to the Rajnath Singh.
32:48Why does the Prime Minister have heard it?
32:50They are going to talk to the Prime Minister.
32:51Their Prime Minister is going to talk to the Jashankar.
32:52They are going to talk to the Depavali,
32:53What do they need?
32:54People are going to talk to the Jashankar.
32:55The
33:18Going to war can never be a purely military decision.
33:32It is taken by a democratically elected political leadership.
33:36During the 1999 conflict and Atal B.R. Iwaspai,
33:40every action was debated and approved in meetings of the Cabinet Committee on Security.
33:46India's final decision, making body on national security, chaired by the Prime Minister,
33:53memoirs from that period show CCS being able to own its decisions
33:58and issue clear directives to military commanders.
34:02The same was true of Indira Gandhi.
34:04Indira Gandhi during the 1971 war that led to the liberation of Bangladesh.
34:09We are a democratically elected country.
34:13We are a republic.
34:15In this country, only the democratically elected Prime Minister can take a decision with regard to war.
34:22That is true.
34:24Political leadership has to take a decision.
34:26Political leadership has to take a decision.
34:28Indira Gandhi is the Prime Minister.
34:31A small question.
34:32Indira Gandhi is the Prime Minister.
34:34General Manikshavur Karadz?
34:36Yes.
34:37Yuddha Madboda?
34:38General Manikshavur Karadz?
34:39General Manikshavur Karadz?
34:40I guarantee you 100% defeat.
34:45No, no, no.
34:46No, no.
34:47Even in China, the government's issue is concerned not only about the government.
34:50Ours are aego in order.
34:51Every day, he turned up against political leadership,
34:54he branches up against policies.
34:56And you know, in China,
34:57the government has to take a decision.
35:01Stop, yes.
35:02The problem is,
35:03I am asked,
35:04Raviyoshioshi and Mudri Sahib said,
35:09How do you interpret it?
35:13See, now we have a question.
35:16We have a question.
35:18We have a question.
35:20We have a question.
35:22We have a question.
35:24Why do we have a question?
35:26The first problem is we don't have a question.
35:29We don't have a question.
35:32You can't have the cake and eat it too.
35:35Either you allow the publication.
35:38I don't agree with this.
35:48He is in a sensitive post.
35:51We are all bound by the Official Secret Act of 1923.
35:54We have a chain of command, communication.
36:01Build up to the decision.
36:03So, there are sensitive matters which you can't quote.
36:08The public cannot come to know about all this.
36:10The Official Secret Act of 1923 is in direct conflict with RTA of 2005.
36:16It's not a debate.
36:17It's not a debate.
36:18But that's why we have a constitutional head.
36:20You can't write everything for the public domain.
36:22And everybody can't take the decision.
36:24Everybody has no awareness.
36:26It's not an interpretation.
36:27It's not an interpretation.
36:29This is not an event.
36:31This is not an event.
36:32This is not an event of yesterday.
36:37This is not an incident.
36:38This is history.
36:39This is not an incident.
36:40This is not an incident.
36:41This is not an incident.
36:441962.
36:45In 1962, we had just become independent of the country.
36:55We had just become independent of the country.
37:00But it's been 70 years now.
37:07What time Maxim wrote in 1962?
37:10In the battle, there were 121 people, the company commander, along with all soldiers.
37:24114 people were killed by China.
37:27Six people were captured at PW's.
37:29One chap returned from that battle to tell the whole story how this battle was fought.
37:34You know what he writes? He says everybody had a bullet on their chest and not on their back.
37:41You know what Time magazine wrote after 1962 operations?
37:46Indian soldier needs everything except courage.
37:49Courage is one thing that he has in abundance.
37:52Everything else was lacking. Equipment was not there.
37:55Arms were not there. Ammunition was not there. Everything was not there.
37:59Decisiveness was not there.
38:02Decisiveness is not about...
38:05That is not decisiveness.
38:07Oh, I have given you a free hand. No, that is not decisiveness.
38:09Building up to that fight.
38:11Six years, seven years, ten years, eleven years.
38:13You have to equip your army. You have to train your army.
38:16You have to strengthen your army. That is decisiveness.
38:18Contrary, what does Prime Minister say?
38:21You don't say it.
38:22You don't say it.
38:23Political leadership is not there.
38:25General Naravani is not there.
38:26General Naravani is not there.
38:27I am abundant.
38:28I am abundant.
38:29I am abundant.
38:30What do you do, Prime Minister?
38:33See, first is, he should have spoken to General Naravani himself.
38:37He should have spoken to General Naravani himself.
38:39He is speaking to the chief of army staff.
38:43And he is working for him. He was his choice.
38:46Actually, General Naravani is not there.
38:48He should have spoken to General Naravani.
38:50I don't know. I have forgotten the name.
38:51No, no.
38:52No, there was another person who was in line.
38:53There was no other person.
38:54I will give you the history behind this.
38:56That's okay.
38:57But you are not there.
38:59The first thing is, Prime Minister should have come online.
39:02First, he should have spoken to General Naravani.
39:04Given direction, find out what the ground realities are.
39:10Then say, see, these are my...
39:13I think, just like you have said.
39:16You are not the only one.
39:17The field marshal asked Manek Shah and Indra Gandhi,
39:20and you are the only one that is going to go to the church.
39:22If we are the church,
39:23then you are the ones that are going to go to the church.
39:25Then they are going to go to the church.
39:27And you are going to go to the messenger pool.
39:29The messenger pool is like...
39:30The messenger pool is like a defense minister.
39:31That's right.
39:32That's right.
39:33The one who knows the truth is,
39:34he is going to go to the church.
39:35see this we see ultimately you must understand one thing this is a very
39:40serious situation extremely serious situation or satatua hathra never
39:45tether one kilometer door I am I don't meet in hathra in a birthday the tanks
39:50birthday there I thought you would need a gay we have no it's not through BJP or
39:55or a lady like you know don't do mathukata not it don't tella but thanks
40:00birthday they are still moving progressing forward yes I thought I
40:04want to cry critical period early prime minister should show leadership
40:09the other thing is tanks do not move like that it's not a terrain for tanks to move
40:18tanks will only stand and fire I can't the railway where tanks move there in
40:22deserts actually tanks are meant for desert II high altitude regional and a
40:25act to go to the direct firing role lally are the help again then thanks now
40:29position mani the way it is a deterrent it's a deterrent that it just can't move
40:33because there are peaks there there is limited line of communication and
40:37movement asten there is no line of coming
40:39high mountain road valley valley nal maatrad movement maadak agath
40:42and
40:46system gothithi dhyaanth kyevthi ni
40:47prime minister illa ni fire maadu
40:50onth a hella baki ttha
40:50illa illa I don't agree with that
40:52that is what I am
40:53he doesn't know
40:54tactical battle area
40:56yes
40:59Joshi sir
41:00māt nāđi shti nini
41:01manna nuk unth break na samayya
41:02chandra shaker imi go time kuru tti nini
41:04Joshi sir ili māt nāđi tāayitthāga
41:06ond vichara banttu
41:06ā sandarabadalli
41:08yaudu sultana odunna mādi
41:10annodunna heđđodunna haruttu padi
41:12si
41:13beri yen heđodukkhe sādhyayitu
41:15action na vichara anta bandhaga
41:17pradani asuchanayana kododukkhe sādhyayana
41:19how do
41:25pradani kododunna in yaar kodokhe kko
41:28you know
41:29the decision to go to war
41:33must be taken by political leadership
41:35not by the army
41:37the army cannot push the country into war
41:39that will be extremely reckless
41:41on the part of the army to do that
41:43that will be raised on political level
41:46that will be raised on the political level
41:49that will be raised on the committee
41:51cabinet committee on security
41:55that will be a china study group
41:57china study group is informal body but cabinet committee on security is a formal body
42:01that is presided by the prime minister
42:04other than the defense minister is there
42:06NSA is there
42:06external affairs minister is there
42:08so
42:09the economic fallout the political fallout the diplomatic fallout and whether we will get
42:25the support of russia or u.s. in the context
42:28that will be noted that the war will be taken by the end of the war
42:34so this decision
42:35Ravijoshi sir
42:36Ravijoshi sir
42:37Ravijoshi sir
42:38Ravijoshi sir
42:39Ravijoshi sir
42:40nak tank gala bartha
42:41I am a hedi
42:42absolutely
42:42nak tank gala bartha kanta sandharabdhali
42:45pradham gala
43:00i got
43:02and
43:06Actually you know our tanks were medium batted tanks, our tanks were far superior to the
43:18Chinese tanks and General Joshi could have easily taken up on those tanks and destroyed
43:23Malabu.
43:24Okay, but you have a direct question, the question is there is a protocol there on the
43:36China border that generals cannot fire, there is a fist fight, they are fighting with clubs
43:50and they all have weapons but they are not using the weapons because of this rule that
43:54you cannot fire, so that rule is held sacrosanct, so that rule violates the war, the general
44:05governments are clear and they have to pass it quickly.
44:06music
44:08氏
44:10okay, yes H. N. Chandrasjehkar, Ga столько
44:14laughs
44:15gosh you know us and just posture are the custody might be asked, you know the
44:22words are they
44:24Sir.. When I spoke to US, I was saying that he wasİ
44:29What was the name of Narwani?
44:32He said waiting on Narwani, he was speaking of Narwani.
44:36Narwani is not stopping the release of Narwani?
44:38He didn't go that way.
44:40So the exact evidence of the magazine was able to answer Narwani words.
44:44For what if the defense concerns, or what about the security concerns?
44:47She was completely accepted for this assistance.
44:51It is equivalent to an statue of this guy.
44:53If you have a letter from Anderson, you don't have permission to give him.
44:57Why don't you give him?
44:58You and us.
45:00Look, this is how the war is.
45:04Just escalation.
45:07As an escalation, even if you don't have an army or an escalation,
45:12in the 1960s, the Chinese attack.
45:17You don't have to restrain.
45:21But you decision to go on, we will fire and kill you.
45:23Absolutely correct.
45:24Exactly.
45:25So, the local commander of the Assami division,
45:30he decision to go on.
45:32He said,
45:34just one person to go on,
45:36then the leader of the Assami regiment,
45:39he took the decision to fire.
45:41Sir, last comment.
45:43Now, last comment, Mudiri Sir.
45:45Pustak yak release,
45:47the official secret act violation,
45:53sensitive details.
45:55But you must see the background.
45:57Narwani,
45:59in 2021,
46:01April,
46:03in 2020,
46:05he was not a pliable, loyal.
46:07That means,
46:09he was not a pliable,
46:11loyal.
46:13Otherwise,
46:15Narwani would have become the CDS.
46:17Actually, he was the most eligible person to become CDS,
46:21after Rawat.
46:22For nine months,
46:23CDS posed to,
46:25Phillip aagirilla.
46:26In the month of June, July,
46:28Government tweaked the criteria,
46:30eligibility criteria for CDS.
46:32He was the three-star general.
46:34He was the three-star general,
46:35Anil Chavan,
46:36and he was the most eligible.
46:38He was the most eligible.
46:40Otherwise, Narwani did not find favour with the government,
46:44even while in service.
46:45Yes, sir.
46:46So, some publication houses do not release.
46:48Why is it controversial?
46:49Yes, sir.
46:50Penguin house,
46:51why is it not written to MOD to release the book?
46:53They want to raise all such things,
46:57So, that book sells well.
46:58Yes, last couple of years...
46:59I will say,
47:00As the first word,
47:01I will say,
47:02I will say,
47:03I will say,
47:04I will say,
47:05I will say,
47:06Let's say that,
47:07which is a general Narwani.
47:08I will say,
47:10because of the people who wrote the book.
47:12Thank you, Kalaborya,
47:13Atherorthy,
47:14You will see all these questions,
47:15as well as questions,
47:16We will tell them in the next
47:16time.
47:17You'll hear the time,
47:19You'll hear the time,
47:21You'll hear the time,
47:22Namaskara,
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