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This week Chris Deacy is joined in the studio by Lou Fowkes to discuss the films; Gone With The Wind, Jaws, The Color Purple, and When Harry Met Sally.
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00:00You
00:10Hello and welcome.
00:15Welcome to Kent Film Club.
00:16I'm Chris Deesey and each week I'll be joined by a guest to dive deep into the...
00:20...impact certain films have had on their life.
00:22Each guest will reflect on the films which have meant...
00:25...most of them over the years.
00:26And every week there will be a Kent Film Trivia where we quiz you at home...
00:30...about a film that has a connection to the county.
00:32And now let me introduce you to my guest.
00:35...for this week.
00:36She's an independent marriage, family and funeral celebrant at Kent...
00:40...creative ceremonies.
00:41A singer with Stormy Mondays and a director for the Fenner Frost...
00:45...Foundation.
00:45She is Lou Vaux.
00:48Great to have you on the show, Lou.
00:49Lovely.
00:50Great to be here.
00:50Thank you for inviting me.
00:51Total pleasure.
00:52Well, I don't know your films in advance.
00:54Oh, what...
00:55What a classic.
00:55Gone with the wind.
00:57A classic, an epic...
00:59A...
01:00...the saga.
01:01The whole lot.
01:02It had everything.
01:03Everything in like four...
01:04Not even...
01:05More than four hours.
01:06That's four and a half hours, isn't it?
01:07It felt like a marathon.
01:09And it's an extraordinary...
01:10...film because it's obviously it's lasted.
01:12But what's the appeal?
01:13It's a love story.
01:14But...
01:15...that's set against the backdrop of real historical moments.
01:17That's right.
01:18So I read it as a kid.
01:20My parents had a massive library of classic books.
01:22So you've got the Austin, Dickens, Shakespeare...
01:25...and things like Margaret Mitchell's Gone with the Wind.
01:28And so I read it as a...
01:29And it's a big...
01:30...book, you know, it's a big book to read.
01:31And I read it quite young.
01:33And then I saw the film because I always...
01:35...like to read a book before I see the film.
01:37If there's a film.
01:38Because you create pictures in your head...
01:40...don't you, of what characters look like, what scenes look like.
01:43And actually, when I watched the film...
01:45...it was pretty much what I'd had in my head, which was great.
01:49But yes, it's...
01:50...it's set against the American Civil War.
01:52But like with a lot of really good...
01:55...epic films, you've got the big backdrop of a historical...
02:00...event, let's say, against an intimate love story and essentially...
02:05...that's what it is about a woman who is trying to find...
02:10...but she's an interesting character, Scarlett O'Hara.
02:14Because when I was younger...
02:15...I was a little intimidated because of the vastness of the scale.
02:17Because it's almost as though you...
02:18It's like an onion.
02:18You peel away all the layers.
02:20But what you get at the heart of it is this beautiful love story.
02:23And that's the relatable bit, isn't it?
02:24It is.
02:25And she's a very complicated character.
02:28She can be difficult.
02:30She's, you know, she's very ambitious.
02:33She's very savvy.
02:35And, of course, you know, for those of you who've seen the film, she's...
02:40She's very much attached to Ashley Wilkes and its unrequited love.
02:45Because Ashley loves Melanie.
02:46And Melanie is her friend.
02:48And so there's this sort of triangle.
02:50Going on against everything else that's going on with historical...
02:55But you see Scarlett and she's...
02:58It's this unrequited love.
03:00She's almost in denial about the fact that Ashley doesn't love her.
03:04He loves...
03:05Melanie, and she can't get her head around.
03:07And it's just...
03:08It's such a multifaceted character.
03:10Margaret Mitchell, all the characters in the film, very, very, you know, interesting.
03:15And one minute you like Scarlett O'Hara, the next minute you think,
03:18No, I don't like her.
03:19She's horrible.
03:20And then, of course, you've got the relationship with Rhett Butler.
03:24Yeah.
03:25Because that's the thing, isn't it?
03:25That anybody watching this is going to at any point say,
03:29That's...
03:30That was me, or that was the relationship I was in, or that's the relationship I aspire to be in.
03:34Absolutely.
03:35But then you're watching it and thinking,
03:36Oh, but I'm not sure.
03:37No.
03:38You know, it's almost like you want to shout out, like a panther.
03:40You know, don't go there.
03:42And Rhett Butler is almost the male version of her.
03:45That's why they are so perfectly matched.
03:47They bicker and, you know, but he sees...
03:50He puts himself in her, this sort of ambitious...
03:53He doesn't care, you know, he's...
03:55He's had a chequered past.
03:56He's spent time, you know, he's avoiding signing up to the war.
04:00Eventually he does.
04:02But, you know, he's had a chequered past.
04:04He's a little, you know...
04:05She constantly staves him off.
04:07She's like, no, I'm still in love with Ashley.
04:09And yet...
04:10Eventually they end up getting together, getting married.
04:12And it's just a really interesting relationship.
04:15It really is.
04:15Do you ever watch it and almost imagine maybe a different...
04:20outcome or do you ever watch it and think, oh, but what if she chose in that part?
04:23Or, you know, are we destined at the end?
04:25To be with the people that we're with.
04:27In other words, when you watch this, you get a different...
04:30sort of take on it each time.
04:31Yeah, I think so.
04:32And obviously with the ending, for those of you who know the ending...
04:35the classic line, you know, I don't want to give it away if you haven't seen it.
04:37And he walks out the door.
04:38And so you're left.
04:40with, well, so did he come back?
04:41Did they carry on?
04:42Did he walk out completely forever?
04:44You know, it's...
04:45So there's this dichotomy of, and I loved that.
04:48They could have done a completely different...
04:50different ending, but they made it so question mark.
04:54But it's such a staple.
04:55because so many films, Westerns do it as well.
04:57I think of Robert Redford or Clint Eastwood, you've got the character...
05:00who's the outsider, that he's away, you know, somebody leaves and he's standing his...
05:05ground, and it's a case of, you know, are they meant to be together?
05:08Will they ever come back?
05:09But this is the...
05:10the template for all of that, isn't it?
05:11Of course it is.
05:12And of course, aside from the love story, you have...
05:15some amazing, I mean, it was made in the late 30s, just as war was breaking out in...
05:20in the world, Second World War, and so you've got some amazing scenes, particularly for...
05:25the next time, where she, Scarlett O'Hara, has been sort of volunteering at the hospital, and she comes...
05:30out, and she's sort of slightly bloodied, and there's this scene in the middle of the high street...
05:35of the town, where it's just covered in soldiers on the floor, some of...
05:40some are injured, some are... some are dead, and there's no CGI, obviously...
05:45so every single body you see is an actual person, and the...
05:50the camera pans out, and it's just... and it kind of gives you the...
05:55the sort of impact of war, in a very real and stark way, there's...
06:00all these men just... just laid out, almost on top of each other, and she kind of...
06:05takes her way through, trying not to tread on them, because she wants to get home...
06:08because she's had enough.
06:10Well, it is time now to move on to your second chosen film, and you've...
06:15gone for Jaws.
06:18Again, just...
06:20I watched this when I was a child, I have to say.
06:25So, I think we went, as a family, we went... remember Blockbuster?
06:29So, we went to Blockbuster...
06:30to get the... the video, the VHS, and I didn't see it in the cinema,
06:33because I was too... it came out in 70...
06:35I think, didn't it?
06:36Yeah, 75...
06:3775, yeah, something like that.
06:38So, I hadn't seen it in the cinema, and...
06:40I've always...
06:41I'd always had a bit of a fascination about sharks.
06:42Don't ask me why.
06:43No idea.
06:44Watched the film with...
06:45with my mum and my brother, in the kitchen, on a little small screen,
06:49because my dad was in the lounge...
06:50watching something else.
06:51And we watched it, and I literally hid behind the kitchen chair, but I...
06:55just found...
06:56I was transfixed...
06:57by it.
06:58It was shocking, it was scary, it...
07:00It was...
07:01It was everything...
07:02because I don't watch horror.
07:03I don't watch anything gory.
07:04I don't do anything...
07:05even slightly horribly thriller-like in films, but that...
07:09Jaws...
07:10I don't know, it just...
07:11spoke to me.
07:12I've had a few guests on the show who've picked Jaws.
07:15and have said, invariably,
07:16oh, I was watching this film when I wasn't allowed to watch an 18...
07:20film, and I...
07:21It was PG.
07:22And...
07:23My children have seen it, and they're, you know...
07:25they're only around 10 years of age.
07:27And they have watched it on the big screen.
07:29Yeah.
07:30And it's uncanny...
07:30because everyone thinks that it's 18-rated.
07:32And it's like a taboo to watch that when you're young.
07:34I know.
07:35But it has everything in there that a child can watch.
07:38Mm.
07:39But it's also something that it feels...
07:40that you're entering, as you say, a particular...
07:42a genre that a lot of people will want to...
07:44And I think...
07:45there are moments in it, as well, you know,
07:47that you literally jump out your seat.
07:49So I...
07:50I think there are moments that can be quite shocking for a child.
07:53But they're also...
07:54What I found very interesting, again...
07:55I...
07:56I read the book.
07:57But I actually read the book after I saw the film.
07:58And I read the book and...
07:59And I have...
08:00I have to say, they don't cover everything in the book
08:02that they cover in the film.
08:03There's a relationship that happens between Hooper and Ellen.
08:05which, to be fair, gets quite intimate.
08:07And they don't cover it in the film, which I thought was interesting.
08:10But, you know, the whole relationship the three of them have on that boat is just...
08:14Because...
08:15Spielberg has said,
08:16it's not a shark movie.
08:17It's a people movie.
08:18Yes.
08:19Absolutely.
08:20And...
08:20The three of them, you know, not necessarily with the chief, but certainly with...
08:25Michael Cooper and...
08:26Richard Dreyfuss.
08:27Richard Dreyfuss.
08:28Richard Dreyfuss.
08:29Yeah.
08:30And...
08:31I've forgotten his name.
08:32Oh, the...
08:33Roy Scheider...
08:34Yeah.
08:35And...
08:36Yeah.
08:37So, the three of them and...
08:35And...
08:36Interestingly, recently I saw The Shark Is Broken.
08:40At the Marlow Theatre.
08:41Which is essentially a play about the three of them on...
08:45In that boat.
08:46And the shark kept getting broken in the filming.
08:49And so there...
08:50Was this delay after delay.
08:51And the three of them just sat...
08:53Killing time while the technical team...
08:55Were trying to fix this shark during filming.
08:57So, again, the relationship.
08:58You know, and...
08:59And...
09:00And...
09:01You know, that makes that sort of on-screen chemistry even more prevalent.
09:05Yeah.
09:06You know, you see it.
09:07Yeah.
09:08Because you've got the one...
09:09The British actor who was in...
09:10Taking...
09:10Of Pelham 123.
09:11Yeah, yeah, yeah.
09:12I can't remember his name.
09:13But all of them, in a way, as you say, they represent three...
09:15Different types.
09:16Including the one...
09:17Was it the mayor?
09:18Who doesn't like going in the water.
09:19No.
09:20In a sea...
09:20Seaside Resort.
09:21And even the Richard Dreyfuss character.
09:23He's somebody who obviously...
09:25He likes to fiddle with all his instruments and he sort of deals with the weather.
09:28But doesn't like the water.
09:29But also...
09:30Almost like has never done it on the scene, as it were.
09:34Yeah.
09:35So...
09:35It was an initiation.
09:36Practical.
09:37A rites of passage for all of them.
09:38Yeah.
09:39Yeah.
09:40And, you know, so it had a...
09:40Real impact on me.
09:42And, again, you know, I can go back to it.
09:45If it's on television or it's, you know, I can go back to it time and time again and
09:48still watch it and still know what's going to happen.
09:50And still get a thrill from it.
09:52The second one was just as good, I thought.
09:54Third...
09:55Fourth...
09:56Not so much.
09:57Yeah.
09:58But, well, when you get to the fourth, even Michael Caine didn't watch it.
09:59Well, exactly.
10:00Yeah.
10:00But the question there is, you saw it first time on the small screen.
10:03Yeah.
10:04Have you ever...
10:05upgraded to the big screen?
10:06No, I haven't.
10:07Do you want to?
10:08Yeah.
10:09I think so.
10:10Yeah.
10:10And, of course, I don't know whether they'd ever...
10:12Can you change things to 3D?
10:14I don't know.
10:15I've seen it in 3D.
10:16Have you?
10:17Okay.
10:18And not too...
10:19I've actually probably seen...
10:20I've seen this on the big screen in the last 5 or 6 years.
10:23Oh, okay.
10:24About 4 or 5 times.
10:25It always seems to come out.
10:25About the 45th or the 50th anniversary.
10:28Yeah.
10:29So, better?
10:30Yeah.
10:31Well, it really works in 3D.
10:32You feel the water.
10:33You feel the immersion.
10:34I can imagine.
10:35Not all films...
10:35I thought Titanic didn't work so well.
10:38Jurassic Park does.
10:39Yeah.
10:40But Jaws...
10:40Yeah.
10:41I think so.
10:42And, again, the music in Jaws just adds to that...
10:45Tension.
10:46It adds to...
10:47You don't see the shark for quite some time.
10:48Yeah.
10:49In the...
10:50In the early part of the film.
10:51And all you hear is the music and the camera moving.
10:54And it's very clever.
10:55Yeah.
10:56I mean, you know, Steven Spielberg.
10:57Do you think that's the clever bit?
10:59That because...
11:00Because we don't see the shark.
11:01It's the shark in our imagination.
11:02Yeah.
11:03That's more powerful.
11:04Yeah.
11:05Because we know the...
11:05The impact of what the shark can do.
11:07Yeah.
11:08And then when we see it...
11:09Obviously, you weren't disappointed.
11:10No.
11:11But I think you only generally see it when the three of them are on the boat trying to...
11:14Up till that point you...
11:15You don't really see it.
11:16And so it builds the tension.
11:17And, yeah, you could say that for its time the shark looked...
11:20A little bit.
11:21But it was the best at the time.
11:22But, you know, I think a lot of that movie...
11:25Is the fact that you haven't seen the shark for lots.
11:27Because you're just...
11:28You don't know what...
11:29How big it is.
11:30You don't know how ferocious it is.
11:31And so, yeah.
11:32And as I say, the music just adds to that.
11:35Well, that's about all the time we have for this first half of the show.
11:38However, before we go to the break...
11:40We have a Kent Film trivia question for you at home.
11:44In the film, the...
11:45The other Berlin girl...
11:46What Kent Castle was used for filming?
11:48Is it A. Leeds...
11:50B. Heaver Castle,
11:51C. Dover Castle?
11:53We'll reveal the answer right after this...
11:55break. Don't go away.
12:00.
12:06Hello and welcome back to Kent Film Club.
12:09Just before that...
12:10We asked you at home a Kent Film trivia question.
12:13In the film, The Other Berlin Girl, what Kent...
12:15Castle was used for filming.
12:17I asked, is it A. Leeds Castle, B. Heaver...
12:20Castle or C. Dover Castle?
12:22And now I can reveal to you that the answer was in fact...
12:25C. Dover Castle.
12:27Some other notable Kent locations featured in the film...
12:30Noël, Sevenoaks and Penshurst Place.
12:33Did you get the answer right?
12:35Well, it is time now, Lou, to move on to your next chosen film...
12:39And you've got...
12:40Number one for...
12:41The colour purple.
12:42Yeah.
12:43And the original.
12:44The original.
12:45Let me make that clear.
12:47Again, I love films.
12:50That are made from books.
12:51And I read this book.
12:53Again, when I was quite young.
12:55I just picked it out of my parents' library of books.
12:58And I thought, oh, this looks...
13:00Interesting.
13:01And again, it's a very serious subject in a way.
13:04And so far...
13:05I was far removed from myself as a girl growing up in Surrey completely.
13:09But I was drawn...
13:10I was drawn to it.
13:11And I loved the book.
13:13And then I saw the 1980s...
13:15Spotify film with...
13:16You know...
13:17Obviously Whoopi Goldberg and...
13:18Oprah Winfrey.
13:19Oh, Oprah Winfrey.
13:20Oprah Winfrey, yeah, and it was mind-blowing.
13:22I just, it was, it's serious.
13:25It's heartbreaking.
13:26It's essentially a story of two sisters separated.
13:30Their father is an absolute monster, and, you know, unfortunately...
13:35You know, abuses them, they get pregnant, you know, it's a very...
13:40raw story, but in this film, there are moments...
13:45of beauty, there are moments of charm, there are moments that you just want...
13:50to just fight for the heroine in the story, which is played by Whoopi Goldberg.
13:55Seeley.
13:57And there are some scenes, as I say, which are hard...
14:01And that's...
14:02I mean, we've been talking about Spielberg already in relation to...
14:05and another adaptation of a source novel, but how do you...
14:10do this?
14:11How do you accomplish that without either diluting the story...
14:15or, indeed, turning this into something that isn't going to be a film that people...
14:20are going to want to see, because they'll just see that this is too harrowing.
14:24But there's nothing wrong...
14:25with harrowing films, but it's finding that fine line...
14:28and doing it respectfully...
14:30not least to the source creation.
14:32Yeah.
14:33And I think, you know, it's...
14:35perhaps easier to do if it's a true story...
14:38when it's a...
14:40fiction, you have to be very careful.
14:43And...
14:44and I think...
14:45what Steven Spielberg does was he...
14:47he...
14:48paid it right down.
14:49He went to those intimate moments.
14:50And so the camera does go very close...
14:52to the characters, to the actors.
14:55and...
14:56but...
14:57but there are, as I say, moments of...
15:00of beauty and of...
15:02of...
15:03of...
15:04of...
15:05a woman who is fighting everything that seems...
15:05against her.
15:06Everything.
15:07And of course, you know, there's same-sex relationship in there as well...
15:09that's hinted at.
15:10as well as the fact that she's of colour...
15:12and she's from a poor background...
15:13and so she's got everything against...
15:15and against all those trials and tribulations that she has...
15:18she rises up and she...
15:20she makes something of herself...
15:21and...
15:22and it's just...
15:23it...
15:24it is a story of...
15:25of hope...
15:26mostly.
15:27And then, of course, at the end...
15:28the sisters are reunited.
15:30and that is just...
15:32you feel...
15:33your heart just...
15:35well...
15:36at the end.
15:37I've...
15:38I've found, anyway.
15:39Is this a film that...
15:40you found because...
15:41you've obviously watched it...
15:42many times...
15:43but similar to my question with Gone With The Wind...
15:45while you're watching this...
15:46are you entertaining all sorts of different scenarios...
15:48possibilities...
15:49because the...
15:50the film has been remade...
15:51and...
15:52and the good thing sometimes...
15:53when a film is remade...
15:54is it can...
15:55it's a re-envision...
15:55it can...
15:56maybe...
15:57flag up certain things...
15:58that previous versions...
15:59didn't or couldn't.
16:00but that...
16:01that film was...
16:02was critically planned...
16:03and I know that we've discussed that...
16:04in...
16:05in another context.
16:05Yeah.
16:06So...
16:07what's your thought on that?
16:08They...
16:09they remade the film...
16:10recently...
16:10before they did that though...
16:12they...
16:13they made a stage...
16:14musical of it...
16:15and...
16:15and...
16:16I was very excited about that...
16:17because...
16:18it tapped into all the sort of music...
16:19genres that I like...
16:20so...
16:20jazz...
16:21blues...
16:22you know...
16:23all that kind of...
16:24real...
16:25music of the time actually...
16:25and...
16:26and so when...
16:27the...
16:28the stage musical came up...
16:29um...
16:30it started off in London actually...
16:30I didn't get to see it...
16:31but then I recently saw the revival...
16:32which was touring...
16:33absolutely brilliant...
16:34it didn't...
16:35lose any of its charm...
16:36or it didn't lose any of its grit...
16:37which...
16:38in...
16:39in a musical you could find...
16:40that...
16:41that would be the case...
16:42and it didn't...
16:43and then this new...
16:44version...
16:45of The Colour Purple...
16:46came out as a musical...
16:47based on the stage show...
16:48but the film version...
16:50and I just...
16:51didn't get on board with it...
16:52which...
16:53really surprised me...
16:54I was really excited...
16:55to see the film as a musical...
16:56and it just...
16:57it just didn't work for me...
16:59on the beginning...
17:00on the big screen...
17:01which was very...
17:02odd really...
17:03um...
17:04so I go back to...
17:05the original...
17:06yeah...
17:07and...
17:08had you read...
17:09the...
17:10the novel...
17:10this is based...
17:11before or after...
17:12you saw the film...
17:13yeah...
17:14so what was your sense...
17:15on that...
17:15first viewing...
17:16of this film...
17:17did you sort of...
17:18go in with some...
17:19trepidation...
17:20or...
17:20was there a sense...
17:21in which you thought...
17:22actually this...
17:23this might be...
17:24finding its own way...
17:25I think...
17:25trepidation...
17:26because obviously...
17:27I'd read the book...
17:28and it does deal...
17:29with some serious issues...
17:30and so I...
17:30I was a little...
17:31apprehensive...
17:32and slightly scared...
17:33if you like...
17:34to watch...
17:35that play...
17:35now...
17:36in front of me...
17:37as pictures...
17:38you can picture something...
17:39in your mind...
17:40as I said earlier...
17:41but...
17:42when you...
17:40you see it...
17:41on the big screen...
17:42and you see the abuse...
17:43and you see the violence...
17:44in some of the scenes...
17:45it is shocking...
17:46and so I was...
17:47I was nervous about that...
17:48but...
17:49this film is sort of...
17:50you've grown up with me...
17:51and now...
17:52I see different things...
17:53in it...
17:54like I think you do...
17:55when you...
17:55when you watch films...
17:56when you're young...
17:57as you grow...
17:58into an adult...
17:59and you see different things...
18:00that you...
18:00that you didn't see before...
18:01and I still...
18:02see stuff with this...
18:03and I always wonder...
18:04whether the people...
18:05who made the film...
18:05are on the same journey...
18:06because...
18:07I find that...
18:08that you grow with the film...
18:09but the film grows with you...
18:10and...
18:10and it feels like...
18:11sort of like a dialogue part...
18:12that you can have a conversation...
18:13with the film...
18:14and the characters...
18:15because again...
18:16you know...
18:17they're multifaceted...
18:18they're complicated...
18:19they've got so much...
18:20you know...
18:20thrown at them...
18:21and...
18:22and...
18:23and stuff they have to...
18:24overcome...
18:25and so...
18:25you just...
18:26you root for them...
18:27and...
18:28and at the end...
18:29you just think...
18:30yes...
18:31and that's what makes it...
18:30joyous...
18:31well...
18:32it is time now...
18:33to move on...
18:34to your final chosen film...
18:35it is...
18:36when Harry...
18:37met...
18:38Sally...
18:39yeah...
18:40that's what I want to say...
18:41and you see the reaction in my face...
18:42like...
18:43I'm so glad you picked this...
18:44you like it...
18:45I do like...
18:45thank you very much...
18:46it's come up...
18:47several times on this show...
18:48I'm sure...
18:49to me...
18:50it's the ultimate...
18:50it came out in...
18:531989...
18:54I believe...
18:55and...
18:56funnily enough...
18:58when I first...
19:00saw it...
19:01I was...
19:02it was a year before...
19:03I met my husband...
19:04and...
19:05I kind of dressed like her...
19:06in...
19:07in...
19:08a similar time...
19:09and...
19:10my husband's a bit like him...
19:10he makes me laugh...
19:11and...
19:12so...
19:13I kind of related to it...
19:14in what...
19:15what was going on in my life...
19:16I was dating my husband...
19:17Roger...
19:18he was making me laugh...
19:19and...
19:20it just...
19:21we didn't...
19:20live in New York...
19:21obviously...
19:22but...
19:23we were...
19:24sort of hanging around London...
19:25where we both were...
19:25and...
19:26so it kind of...
19:27it kind of...
19:28it drew me in...
19:29and...
19:30Rob Reiner...
19:31obviously...
19:30has...
19:31had written it...
19:32and directed it...
19:33and...
19:34and...
19:35such a...
19:35beautiful...
19:36piece of writing...
19:37funny one moment...
19:38hilarious...
19:39sad...
19:40all the things you want...
19:41in a rom-com...
19:42but also...
19:43it works in spite of itself...
19:44because...
19:45they've...
19:46both of these actors...
19:47have been in films...
19:48he was in something...
19:49Forget Paris...
19:50with...
19:50Deborah Winger...
19:51now...
19:52Meg Ryan...
19:53has...
19:54been in an airport...
19:55based film...
19:56she directed it...
19:57it was only about...
19:58two years ago...
19:59I don't even know...
20:00the name of the film...
20:01because it's got...
20:00the same thing...
20:01this guy...
20:02that you don't want to see...
20:03and you look away...
20:04and then they meet...
20:05and then they stay together...
20:06but it...
20:05doesn't work...
20:06it feels inert...
20:07it's almost like...
20:08there's...
20:09a magic that works...
20:10between them...
20:10in this film...
20:11Rob Reiner...
20:12the late Rob Reiner...
20:13brilliant director...
20:14of many different genres...
20:15because he knew how to get...
20:16good acting...
20:17but it's never been replicated...
20:18to the same degree...
20:19and also...
20:20he's not a conventional...
20:21no...
20:22heartthrob...
20:23they are also...
20:24they're full of...
20:25witty...
20:25liners...
20:26so if you're going into this...
20:27for the romance...
20:28you've got...
20:29I wouldn't call them barriers...
20:30but you've got lots of other...
20:31things going in there...
20:32but it works...
20:33all the better...
20:34because by the end...
20:35it takes you...
20:36exactly where...
20:37a film of this genre...
20:38should take you...
20:39yeah...
20:40and also...
20:41I think it was...
20:40the first time...
20:41that the question...
20:42had been asked...
20:43about whether...
20:44men and women...
20:45can be friends...
20:45without anything else...
20:46and...
20:47and I don't think...
20:48that had actually...
20:49been dealt with...
20:50in such a...
20:50a...
20:51a...
20:52sort of...
20:53a clear way...
20:54and that's what makes...
20:55you know...
20:56they become friends...
20:55well...
20:56they didn't like each other...
20:57so...
20:58then they become friends...
20:59then they're like...
21:00and then...
21:01you know...
21:00things happen...
21:01and then...
21:02and it all...
21:03you know...
21:04it goes on a journey...
21:05that...
21:06actually...
21:07is very relatable...
21:08you know...
21:09and so...
21:10those...
21:11again...
21:10complicated characters...
21:11you know...
21:12he's...
21:13he's...
21:14he's separated from his wife...
21:15and...
21:16and it all...
21:15leads into this...
21:16relationship...
21:17that goes on this journey...
21:18through...
21:19a number of years...
21:20where they support each other...
21:21but there's...
21:22there's something...
21:23there...
21:24and they're not quite...
21:25connected...
21:25and then...
21:26at the end...
21:27it's like...
21:28oh...
21:29yeah...
21:30you're my person...
21:31you're the person...
21:32I'm supposed to...
21:33it's almost...
21:34it's almost like...
21:35they have their friends...
21:36there's that wonderful...
21:37split-screen conversation...
21:38when they're talking...
21:39to their confidants...
21:40but it's almost like...
21:41they really...
21:42hate each other...
21:44and because...
21:45they hate each other...
21:46so much...
21:47we know how it's going to...
21:48work out in the end...
21:49because it's almost like...
21:49gone through hell...
21:50that everything...
21:51that could possibly...
21:52stop them...
21:53from being lovers...
21:54has already been addressed...
21:55yeah...
21:56and then at the end...
21:57the only thing left to them...
21:58is the thing that we know...
21:59from the beginning...
22:00which is that they really...
22:01are made for each other...
22:02but it's the journey there...
22:03that is no less important...
22:04than the destination...
22:05and also with a lot of...
22:06with a lot of...
22:07rom-coms...
22:08or a lot of...
22:09similar films of this genre...
22:10you get the running...
22:11at the end...
22:12the...
22:13oh I've got to capture it...
22:14so...
22:14you know...
22:15so he's running through the streets...
22:16so...
22:17you get that running...
22:18scene...
22:19and he...
22:19gets to the party...
22:20I think it's New Year's Eve...
22:21and he says...
22:22when you realise...
22:23you want to spend...
22:24the rest of your life...
22:25with somebody...
22:26you want your life...
22:27to start right away...
22:28and that's a beautiful line...
22:29you know...
22:29that is left with...
22:30and she's...
22:31oh yeah...
22:32okay...
22:33and I think...
22:34at moments...
22:34the older says to him...
22:35you know...
22:36when I first met you...
22:37I hated you...
22:38you know...
22:39and...
22:40and it...
22:39just plays into that...
22:40whole rollercoaster...
22:41of...
22:42a relationship...
22:43that...
22:44sometimes...
22:44isn't easy...
22:45and I know...
22:46other people...
22:47who rave about this film...
22:48who also saw it...
22:49as a first date movie...
22:50and met their spouse...
22:51so...
22:52so there is something...
22:53relatable about this...
22:54and I suppose...
22:55it's the sort of film...
22:56obviously there's the famous scene...
22:57we all know the one...
22:58I'll have what she...
22:59she's having...
23:00where...
23:01when you think about it...
23:03everybody watching...
23:04that will be thinking...
23:05oh...
23:06no...
23:07I can't believe...
23:08they're going there...
23:09but everybody...
23:09also knows...
23:10yeah...
23:11we've all had those moments...
23:12of those social faux pas...
23:13and how you...
23:14deal with it...
23:15and whether that...
23:16wrecks or ruins...
23:17or saves...
23:18or initiates...
23:19a relationship...
23:19yeah...
23:20it's a great scene...
23:21again...
23:22something that was...
23:23as you say...
23:24quite risky...
23:25to put on the...
23:24big screen...
23:25quite intimate...
23:26she did an amazing job...
23:27and then of course...
23:28you've got Rob Reiner's mum...
23:29as you say...
23:30with that wonderful quote...
23:31I'll have what she's having...
23:32and she just says it...
23:33so beautifully...
23:34the time...
23:34is just...
23:35impeccable...
23:36well...
23:37I'm afraid...
23:38that's all the time...
23:39we have for today...
23:40but before...
23:39we go...
23:40if you live in Kent...
23:41and want the chance...
23:42to share four films...
23:43of your choice...
23:44reach out to us...
23:44TV...
23:45and you might be invited...
23:46in to be my next guest...
23:47but for now...
23:48many thanks to...
23:49Ruth Oakes...
23:50for joining us...
23:51and being such...
23:52a brilliant guest...
23:53and many thanks to you all...
23:54for tuning in...
23:54until then...
23:55that's all from us...
23:56goodbye...
23:59but once...
24:00that's all...
24:01it's special...
24:02it's just...
24:04it's impossible...
24:05to make sure...
24:06it's impossible...
24:07to make sure...
24:09that's it...
24:10that's all right...
24:11because...
24:12that's it...
24:13that's the only way...
24:15and what you're...
24:16about the...
24:17I'm not...
24:18I'm not...
24:19you know...
24:21I'm not...
24:23I'm not...
24:24I'm not...
24:26I'm not...
24:27I'm not...
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