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00:00Latoya Clemons-Mosley is suing her ex
00:05son-in-law, Ronald Council, for the cost of diamond earrings, a computer
00:10and harassment. Court come to order, all rise.
00:15Have a seat, please.
00:17Judge, case 4010, Clemons-Mosley v. Cal-
00:20Thank you. You're welcome.
00:21Ms. Mosley, that's your daughter.
00:23That's mine.
00:25Best friend.
00:26Best friend. Your daughter is not here.
00:27My daughter is...
00:28Fair.
00:30She's with the defendant.
00:31Correct.
00:32Interesting.
00:33They have two children.
00:35Together?
00:36One.
00:37A little girl?
00:38Yes, ma'am.
00:39Your complaint alleges...
00:40I actually thought that they were not together anymore.
00:42We're not.
00:43You're not?
00:44No.
00:45Okay.
00:46Just clarifying.
00:48It is your claim that...
00:50Mr. Council stole two things.
00:53The baby is a year old.
00:55One year old.
00:56One year old.
00:57You claim that you put into the baby's e-
01:00tears.
01:01Some little diamond studs to keep her recently pierced ears.
01:05Open.
01:06Correct.
01:07And the first thing that you claim is that the...
01:10defendant took the baby, really without permission, and...
01:15returned to her without the earrings.
01:17Correct.
01:18So you want him to pay for the earrings.
01:19Correct.
01:20And the next thing you say is that somehow he took a...
01:25computer that belonged to you.
01:26Correct.
01:27You go into a litany of things that happened between...
01:30your daughter and Mr. Council, who were no longer together, but who were...
01:35that happened a couple of years ago that caused their separation.
01:38Correct.
01:39I'm...
01:40I'm not interested in that.
01:41At all.
01:42Okay.
01:43That's none of your business.
01:44Correct.
01:45Here.
01:45That has to do with your counseling your daughter or discussing it with your daughter.
01:49Well, that has nothing to do...
01:50with me.
01:51Now, at the time that the baby's ears were pierced...
01:55were your daughter and...
01:57you're not married.
01:58Yes, we're married.
01:59Were your daughter...
02:00son-in-law living together?
02:02I personally don't know.
02:03Yes.
02:04You...
02:05were you living together?
02:06Yes, ma'am.
02:07Who took her to have her ears pierced?
02:09Me and my wife.
02:10Okay.
02:11Do you remember when that was?
02:12I would say...
02:13Jesus.
02:15February?
02:16Of this year?
02:17Of this year?
02:18Yes, ma'am.
02:19And did you see your grand...
02:20daughter regularly?
02:21Not while they were together.
02:23And when did they separate?
02:24I want...
02:25I want to say...
02:26end of school year, maybe June...
02:28Right.
02:29She started living with my mom.
02:30April.
02:31When?
02:32April.
02:33And on what date did you put these ears...
02:35earrings in your granddaughter's ears?
02:38It may have been September the...
02:40furs.
02:41Did you do that with her father's permission?
02:44No.
02:45Did you do that with...
02:46It was September.
02:47I'm sorry, it was August.
02:48It was August.
02:49August.
02:50Did you...
02:50Did you do it with her father's permission?
02:52No.
02:53Did you do it with her mother's permission?
02:54Yes.
02:55Okay.
02:56Is that correct?
02:57Yes, ma'am.
02:58Tell me the circumstances surrounding that.
03:00Jamisha and the baby came to my home and I was in my room laying in the bed.
03:05She brought the baby to see me.
03:06I was talking, playing with the baby.
03:08Jamisha was saying what she wanted to do for her.
03:10For the baby's first birthday.
03:11Who was saying?
03:12Jamisha.
03:13Your daughter.
03:14My daughter.
03:15Was saying...
03:15What she wanted to do for the baby's first birthday.
03:17And she wanted to take pictures with the baby.
03:19When the...
03:20When the baby was there, she had no earrings in her ear.
03:22So I said, if you want to take pictures, let her take...
03:25I reached in my jury box and I said, put these in her ear.
03:28And I said, please don't...
03:30Oh, lady.
03:31I didn't want to take my earrings out her ear.
03:32She can wear them until, you know, until she takes pictures, until we get...
03:35You get her some new earrings.
03:36Okay.
03:37And?
03:38And that was like the first...
03:40August the first?
03:41Was August the first?
03:42Was August one?
03:43It was maybe August one.
03:44It was a couple...
03:45It was for the baby's birthday.
03:46Okay.
03:47Just a second.
03:48So that was August 1st.
03:49And tell me the circumstances...
03:50It's a surrounding when your granddaughter went with her father.
03:53I was at work on a...
03:55It was a Friday.
03:56I got off from work.
03:57I came to my mom's house to see the baby.
04:00So your daughter was living with the baby at your mother's house?
04:04At my mother's home.
04:05Not your house.
04:06My mom's home.
04:07Okay.
04:08I got off from work.
04:09I came by.
04:10I had to wear the baby.
04:10They said that the father had came and taken the baby.
04:13Okay.
04:14So that...
04:15That day, which was on...
04:17Give me the date again.
04:18Um...
04:19She's saying...
04:20I took the baby.
04:21Shh.
04:22Shh.
04:23Shh.
04:24On August the 4th?
04:25Okay.
04:26Okay.
04:27So three days later, the baby went with her father.
04:29The baby went with the father...
04:30It may have been August the 2nd.
04:32Okay.
04:33You put the earrings on August 1st.
04:35I put the earrings in the ear a couple days before our birthday.
04:38So I'm...
04:39If I...
04:40August the 1st...
04:40Yes.
04:41And then she went with her father.
04:43On what day?
04:44She went with her father.
04:45She went with her father.
04:45It was a Friday.
04:46Do you remember the date, Mr. Counsel?
04:48Yes, ma'am.
04:49What was the date?
04:50July 15th.
04:51Well, maybe you have your days wrong.
04:53Somebody has their days wrong.
04:54It's August.
04:55It was July 15th.
04:56Well, if she put the earrings in her ears on August 1st...
05:00How could they go missing on July 15th?
05:02Exactly.
05:03Yeah, I have...
05:04I didn't even see my daughter...
05:05August 1st.
05:06Okay.
05:07You put in the earrings on August 1st.
05:09After August...
05:10When was the last time...
05:12That month...
05:14That you saw...
05:15of a baby?
05:16I would say August...
05:1712th?
05:1813th?
05:19Okay.
05:20Would you stand up?
05:21Mm-hmm.
05:22Yeah.
05:23Could...
05:25You could stand next to him.
05:26Okay.
05:27It's all right.
05:28Nothing's gonna happen here.
05:29Okay.
05:30You just testified...
05:34You just testified...
05:35That you put the earrings in the baby on August 1st.
05:38I know.
05:39It was before her birthday.
05:40No.
05:41You said...
05:42You put the earrings in her ears on August 1st.
05:44I did.
05:45What does that have to do with him on July 13th?
05:47July comes before August.
05:50You did.
05:51I took the earrings in the baby.
05:52Ex extrins to arrive.
05:53Still voz.
05:54Now let me down the
05:58today's follow-up.
05:59That needs to be added for you.
06:01Today is the purpose of the clientше.
06:03Any reasons make you forget
06:05about the and every tastings are
06:08esquered because of the other
06:13the review by...
06:17Where is the record left?
06:18August 3rd.
06:19On August 3rd, did she have the earrings in?
06:22August 3rd, she had the earrings.
06:23So you took pictures at her birthday party with the earrings in?
06:27Mm-hmm.
06:28Uh-huh.
06:28Yes, ma'am.
06:29Okay.
06:30Would you tell me when the...
06:32I don't remember...
06:33I don't remember, like I said, the exact dates, but if...
06:38I don't know if she have the police report, but everything should be in the police report.
06:42So the date that...
06:43she put the earrings in, it was like the same week that he came and took the baby.
06:48The earrings didn't come back with her in her ear.
06:51Can I see the police report, please?
06:53Uh-huh.
06:59There was a...
07:01Um, well, yeah.
07:03I threw a hand in that report...
07:04It's good.
07:07Like, there's someone else.
07:08That, that doesn't look good.
07:11If you don't like a video, please stay on the YouTube page.
07:23not 2024.
07:25That's what this says.
07:26August 4, 2023.
07:28Yeah, this has nothing to do with anything in this case.
07:31Would you return this?
07:33To her, please.
07:37Do you see what I'm talking?
07:38Are you talking about Ms. Mosley?
07:39Yes.
07:40OK.
07:41This is the report that's attached from July.
07:42It started with June.
07:43July 13.
07:44May I see it, please?
07:48So, he took the...
07:53As he said, he took the child on Saturday.
07:58July 13, talking about that he had taken the baby...
08:03from your mother's residence.
08:05Correct.
08:06From your mother's residence.
08:07Well, that was in July.
08:08OK.
08:09That wasn't in August.
08:10OK.
08:11And you just testified that you put the...
08:13...hearrings in the baby on August 1.
08:15I know.
08:16It was before her birthday.
08:17No.
08:18You said...
08:18You put the earrings in her ears on August 1.
08:21I did.
08:22What does that have to do with him?
08:23On July 13.
08:24July comes before August.
08:25Correct.
08:26So...
08:28The dates were mixed up.
08:29I know I put it in before her birthday.
08:30It's a lot of mixed up.
08:31OK.
08:32It's a lot of mixed up.
08:33It is.
08:34OK.
08:35So, you mixed up with regard to the dates.
08:37Correct.
08:38Now, it's...
08:38Interesting.
08:39Since they separated, have you been seeing your granddaughter?
08:42Correct.
08:43Where do you see her?
08:44At my mom's residence.
08:45Not at yours?
08:46No.
08:47Does your grandmother take care of her?
08:48She helped me.
08:49She helps you.
08:50You live with her?
08:51Yes, ma'am.
08:52OK.
08:53And...
08:53Does your child's father come to visit her?
08:56If he called me and told me, but we...
08:58We haven't been talking.
08:59So, the day that he took the baby, that was unexpected.
09:02That's interesting.
09:03In July.
09:04OK.
09:05OK.
09:06And you haven't been to court yet to determine custody.
09:08Of the child?
09:09We do have a custody agreement.
09:10Yes.
09:11You have a custody agreement?
09:12Yes.
09:13That was entered into...
09:13To when?
09:14What month?
09:15We got it in May.
09:16I'd like to see it.
09:17Do you have it?
09:18Do you know what it is, Mr. Counsel?
09:21Not to my knowledge.
09:23No, ma'am.
09:24You have a custody agreement that he signed?
09:26No.
09:27A lawyer gave it to us.
09:28He has to complete classes, and until he could complete the classes...
09:33He's supposed to be with like a...
09:38He's going in between the both of us to get the baby or see the baby.
09:41You're talking about...
09:43Some supervisor?
09:44Yes.
09:45Well, did a judge sign off on that agreement?
09:47Yes, ma'am.
09:48Yes.
09:48Do you remember that, Mr. Counsel?
09:50Yes, and I remember it being closed out.
09:52What's closed out?
09:53The case was...
09:53What does that mean?
09:54As far as the custody.
09:55So the restraining order or whatever, it was closed out.
09:57I don't...
09:58I don't care about the restraining order.
09:59Right.
10:00That was the reason for the custody agreement.
10:01You're not following my question.
10:03If you just answered my questions, we'll be a lot better off.
10:06In July...
10:08When you...
10:09Just for my own information, it has nothing to do with the earrings.
10:12When you took the baby...
10:13In July...
10:14From her grandmother's house, had there been a custody...
10:18agreement that was made into an order by a judge where you...
10:23had supervised visitation.
10:24Yes.
10:25That's an answer.
10:26Okay.
10:27So...
10:28When you went to the grandmother's house...
10:31Right.
10:32And said, I'm coming to see my...
10:33daughter and you took her, that was not authorized.
10:36Yes.
10:37I'm allowed to have her.
10:38I...
10:38I didn't say you weren't allowed to have her.
10:39I had a supervisor with me, my sister.
10:41Were you supposed to?
10:43Did you have had the baby for that day to visit?
10:45Yes, ma'am.
10:46You were?
10:47Yes.
10:48Is that correct?
10:48I wasn't aware.
10:49I wasn't aware.
10:50I wasn't aware.
10:51They just basically came...
10:53I didn't know anything about anyone coming.
10:55So it was like a surprise to me.
10:57You didn't...
10:58Did you arrange it with her?
10:59So the thing is that she has me blocked.
11:02I...
11:03I have no contact with her.
11:04So the answer is you didn't contact her?
11:06No, ma'am.
11:07I had no way to.
11:08Okay.
11:08Did you contact her grandmother?
11:09No, ma'am.
11:10So you just went to the grandmother's house?
11:12Yes, ma'am.
11:13Okay.
11:14Probably not a smart thing to do.
11:15Do you understand?
11:16Yes, ma'am.
11:17Okay.
11:18Now...
11:18Do you know anything about these earrings?
11:20Not really.
11:21I mean, when I went and got my dog...
11:23My daughter, I don't remember her having earrings.
11:25I mean, I was just excited to see my daughter.
11:27So we went out...
11:28Well, first I went and bought her something to put on because she didn't have on any clothes.
11:32We went...
11:33I got her dressed and then me and my sister...
11:35Well, she had clothes, but you probably took her out too quickly.
11:38I'm sure she had clothes at her mother's where she stays.
11:41Right.
11:42Okay.
11:43No.
11:43But we got her shirt off and without the clothes.
11:44Okay.
11:45Keep going.
11:46We left...
11:47We went to Candy Wonderland.
11:48and she played around a little while.
11:50When we left, I was getting ready.
11:53I pretty much had her to get her prepared for her birthday,
11:57like taking her shopping.
11:58And buying things that I wanted to have her for her birthday.
12:00And earrings was one of them because the earrings
12:03that I bought for her for Easter,
12:05she had pulled them out like within a day.
12:08She's had like three pair earrings already this year.
12:11So now the ones that she had in her ear that would probably
12:13be the fourth pair of earrings.
12:14But I mean, she's a one-year-old.
12:16She's a baby.
12:17Just a second.
12:18She had earrings on when you took her
12:20because you say in your answer, unless you...
12:23misspoke, sir, that when you left the candy wonderland
12:27with your daughter...
12:28I noticed that her earrings weren't in her ears.
12:32Right.
12:33What earrings?
12:34I bought her earrings for Easter.
12:36Those earrings?
12:37Yes, ma'am.
12:38Okay.
12:39I figure she lost them.
12:40I took her to get new ones and bought her gold hoops.
12:43Correct.
12:44Okay.
12:45So the earrings that you were talking about here
12:46were the earrings that you bought her for?
12:48For Easter.
12:49Yes, ma'am.
12:50Then she didn't have any earrings.
12:51Oh.
12:52What kind of earrings?
12:53Did your husband buy his daughter for Easter?
12:56They were stuts.
12:57It was like...
12:58Studs?
12:59No, they were hoops.
13:00No, no, no.
13:01Yes.
13:02Hoops were later, sir.
13:03I bought her hoops for Easter.
13:04She has two pair of hoops.
13:05Then she had studs.
13:06So we did have...
13:08Like a few pair of earrings.
13:10I don't recall which one.
13:11I bought the earrings three times.
13:12Okay.
13:13You don't have these studs of hers, do you?
13:15No, ma'am.
13:16Okay.
13:17You have any proof videos?
13:18No, ma'am.
13:19No, ma'am.
13:20No, ma'am.
13:21What's the studs of yours?
13:22Grandparents visit with their...
13:23Grandbabies because they maintain reasonable relationships with both parents.
13:28Even if they're divorced.
13:29And if you don't, you're foolish.
13:33You are good, ma'am.
13:35Go tipo Heyria, I made contact with your friends.
13:36The entire community.
13:37I got a brother with the whole family.
13:38Only a hundred thousand years ago.
13:39If you don't, you'll get your with my family.
13:40The new Hawaii church died for three months.
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13:57Okay.
13:58You have any proof videos, studs of yours?
14:00No.
14:00No, I don't.
14:01No.
14:02I didn't think so.
14:03Okay.
14:04So a one-year-old either took out the studs before or after or whatever.
14:07I had no sense whatsoever that he stole your studs that you put in a one-year-old.
14:12Now let's.
14:12Let's move on to the next thing.
14:13What is this computer nonsense you're talking about?
14:15My daughter was in.
14:17Bronner was living together.
14:19He had moved out.
14:20They had a disturbance or whatever.
14:22She calls her to go in labor.
14:24She went into early labor.
14:25What's the computer?
14:26Get to the computer.
14:27The laptop was at her home when she went in labor.
14:31When did you give your daughter the .
14:32The laptop was at Jamisha's home because my son, my oldest.
14:37My son was spending the night with her.
14:38I asked you.
14:39I did not give Jamisha a laptop.
14:41Oh.
14:42Okay.
14:43My son was at Jamisha's home with a laptop.
14:46Okay.
14:47How old is she?
14:47How old is your son?
14:48My son at the time was 19.
14:49He's an adult.
14:50So that was his laptop.
14:52It was my laptop.
14:53Well, you say it was your laptop, but it was in your 19 years.
14:57old son's possession.
14:58It was.
14:59Visiting your sister.
15:00Correct.
15:01Does your mother have a laptop?
15:02Yes, ma'am.
15:03Does your brother have a laptop?
15:04I guess they share it.
15:05They have a family laptop.
15:07I guess it's up.
15:08When your brother came to your house, which she's talking about, this is a year ago.
15:12Uh-huh.
15:13Because she was talking about when the baby was born.
15:15Okay.
15:16So it's a year and months ago.
15:17Do you remember your brother leaving a laptop in your house?
15:20I left them there, so he just...
15:22He dropped me off to the hospital.
15:23I don't remember what all he had, but he did have a bag with a few things.
15:27Who?
15:28My brother.
15:29Okay.
15:30You know anything about your husband?
15:32taking a laptop?
15:33My husband took everything we had in the house.
15:36Um, the...
15:37The day I went in the hospital, we had a few issues.
15:39He decided he wanted to leave.
15:41He took everything...
15:42Everything out the house.
15:43So his stuff...
15:44Was that including the laptop?
15:46Everything out the house.
15:47I asked you, was the laptop in the house when you went into labor?
15:50Yes, it was...
15:51Just...
15:52Just...
15:52Yes, ma'am.
15:53It's really interesting.
15:54Your brother came to visit you the day before.
15:55Yes.
15:56You say he and his mother...
15:57Share a laptop.
15:58So why, when he left, didn't he take his laptop?
16:00Because he never left my house.
16:02When I was in the hospital, my brother was still at my house.
16:05I let him stay in the house.
16:06Oh.
16:07Oh.
16:07Fine.
16:08Yes.
16:09Did you take the laptop from the house?
16:10No, ma'am.
16:11You have any proof he took...
16:12Did you take the laptop from your house?
16:13Well, I approved that.
16:14He took everything from the house.
16:15I don't...
16:16I'm not asking about everything.
16:17Not the laptop.
16:18No.
16:19He says he didn't take it.
16:20Your son was home.
16:22With all of his stuff, including his laptop.
16:24When she went to the hospital.
16:25Who took her to the hospital?
16:27My brother dropped me off because...
16:29Your brother...
16:30Just a second.
16:31Just a second.
16:32Yes.
16:32Your brother dropped you off at the hospital.
16:33Yes, ma'am.
16:34Okay.
16:35And then he went back to your house?
16:36Yes.
16:37And he was...
16:37He was going to stay in your house?
16:38Yes.
16:39My husband decided he didn't want to be there anymore.
16:41You told me...
16:42That already?
16:43Yes.
16:44You told me that already?
16:45All right.
16:46So I have two nonsense things.
16:47I have a little set of...
16:47Studs for a year old.
16:48And a laptop that is either owned by you or owned by your...
16:52Your son and neither one of you have proof that he took it.
16:56He says he didn't.
16:57I have proof that he took everything out the home.
17:00And the police did not allow my son to go back...
17:02He was working there to retrieve his items.
17:03Just...
17:04That doesn't say he took...
17:05It doesn't.
17:06I'm going to read that.
17:07If it specifically refers to a computer...
17:10It does not.
17:11It does not.
17:12I didn't...
17:12I think so.
17:13Anything else?
17:14Threats.
17:15Punitive damages for threats and harassment.
17:17Who did he threaten and who did he harass?
17:20My whole family.
17:21I'm not interested in your...
17:22The whole family.
17:23I'm interested in you.
17:24Me and my family.
17:25I'm not interested in your family.
17:26Tell me...
17:27How he threatened and harassed you.
17:30When specific dates...
17:32What is the date...
17:33Time...
17:34Place?
17:35August 3rd, 2023?
17:36Just a second.
17:37August 3rd.
17:37What time?
17:38When we were at the home.
17:39What home?
17:40I'm not sure of the time.
17:41Um...
17:42At whose home?
17:43August 3rd?
17:44My daughter's...
17:45What day was the baby on?
17:46Definitely.
17:47She was born on a...
17:47August 3rd.
17:48August 3rd.
17:49Are you talking August 3rd of 2023?
17:51I'm not...
17:52I'm not interested in anything that happened August 3rd, 2023, madam.
17:55You've got to stay out of your daughter's business.
17:57Stay out of her business.
17:58Okay.
17:59Because if you don't stay out of her business, what's going to happen is...
18:02I can see that you adore this little grandbaby.
18:04Is it your first grandchild?
18:05No.
18:06Okay.
18:07But I can see you adore her.
18:08Because what's going to happen is if you interfere with two people...
18:12Unfortunately, in this country, grandparents do not have any legal right...
18:17Severe circumstance to have custody of or visit with their grandchildren.
18:22That's the law.
18:23And so grandparents visit with their grandbabies because they maintain...
18:27reasonable relationships with both parents, even if they're divorced.
18:32And if you don't, you're foolish.
18:34If you don't, you're foolish.
18:36If they don't get along anymore...
18:37Well, that's their business.
18:38They created a baby.
18:39You would like to be in the baby's life.
18:41It's ridiculous for you...
18:42to sue him over nonsense.
18:45Stay out of their business.
18:46We're done.
18:47This court is adjourned.
18:48This court is adjourned.
18:52It had nothing to do with about visiting the baby.
18:56It was about...
18:57earrings that my husband bought me.
18:59I believe she made the right choice.
19:00I mean, just like she said...
19:02you gotta stay out of people's business.
19:03They were having issues of their own.
19:06I wasn't here...
19:07for their issues.
19:08I was here regarding my items.
19:10You know, I mean, all of this situation is pretty...
19:12very much from other people in our business.
19:14We married.
19:15Let us handle our household.
19:16I just wanted my ear...
19:17earrings back.
19:18I got a daughter.
19:19What am I gonna steal from my daughter for?
19:20I mean, I'll steal from my wife if that's the case.
19:22Me and my daughter's relationship is getting better now that they're separated.
19:25Just try to be mutual.
19:26I love...
19:27I love them both.
19:28You know, I just...
19:29don't know.
19:30So I know...
19:32what wasn't the main point of the case that the plaintiff's grandmother having issues
19:36with seeing her...
19:37grandchild.
19:38But I think that was the biggest takeaway from the whole case is that...
19:41is it worth risking...
19:42risking your ability to see a grandchild because, as you said, grandparents don't have legal rights to...
19:47visitation unless very strict circumstances are met.
19:50So is it worth the...
19:52$6,000 or $2,000 for earrings and a laptop that you have no proof that he...
19:57actually took in the first place?
19:59I probably didn't.
20:00And probably didn't.
20:01He did not strike me as...
20:02the kind that would do that.
20:03He seems more like the type that just wanted out of the situation.
20:07Not the type that would be spiteful and take earrings and a laptop on the way out.
20:11But...
20:12even so, she had no proof of either.
20:14And it is a big risk if you already have an...
20:17acrimonious relationship with a son-in-law or an ex-son-in-law who's the parent of your grandchild.
20:22I would...
20:23I would probably just eat that for...
20:25I can't...
20:26but...
20:27You know, just to keep the relationship in order to maintain my relationship with a grandchild.
20:31Yeah.
20:32And we know...
20:33Family.
20:34We have a big family.
20:35So we know how important that is.
20:37to keep it all open.
20:39What I found interesting was even though...
20:42they are divorcing.
20:43Mm-hmm.
20:44She still sat on that side of the table.
20:46Mm-hmm.
20:47So...
20:47And seeing that, grandma should realize...
20:51Mm-hmm.
20:52What...
20:52whatever it is...
20:53you want to see that little girl...
20:54Mm-hmm.
20:55Don't get involved.
20:56Yeah.
20:57with their domestic stuff.
20:58Mm-hmm.
20:59Just not small.
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