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00:00Full practice, participation, information, sensation.
00:06Wow, it's two bucks.
00:08Cha-ting!
00:09Just so everybody kind of has a lay of the land.
00:14And, you know, we've been talking about Kendrickson Wallow so much,
00:17we're leaving D. Winters out of the conversation, and we shouldn't.
00:21He has practiced in a limited fashion both days this week,
00:25so he very well could be back in there.
00:27Fred Warner, back-to-back, limited participations.
00:31So, they are not ruling that out.
00:34Ricky Pearsall, limited yesterday, limited today, but said today he expects to play.
00:39Trent Williams upgraded from limited to full,
00:43and those on the scene said that he looked much more active than he did
00:47leading into last week's game.
00:49So, there's all of that.
00:50Dominic Pune was limited both days.
00:53Grossmatos limited both days.
00:54Because your did-not-participate guys who I think right now are trending on
00:59definitely not playing are Jair Brown and Luke Gifford.
01:02Yeah, that sounds about right.
01:03But outside of that, I mean, you know, obviously George Kittle's not playing in this game,
01:08but I don't know, man.
01:11This is turning into, if Fred Warner and D. Winters walk out there
01:15when the defense hits the field on Saturday night, this is a freaking Disney movie.
01:20But D. Winters I would expect to play, honestly.
01:22Yeah, it's not really about D, but you get what I'm saying.
01:25If Fred comes out there, then, yeah, we're starting to talk about something really dramatic
01:30and special.
01:31If he was able to do what he does so well, which is punch one out or, you know,
01:35find his way to get a pick and, you know, maybe seal a game with a big-time play.
01:40It can happen.
01:40Just be the best linebacker in the sport.
01:43You can do that.
01:45He is.
01:46He's allowed to, right?
01:47He is.
01:47I mean, I don't know if he would be right now.
01:51This is insanity.
01:53His foot was going the other way.
01:56It's pretty bad, yeah.
01:57Pretty bad, but, you know.
01:58Today he's just running around in Santa Clara.
02:01Modern medicine, and these guys do get the ultimate in surgery and treatment.
02:06Totally.
02:07If you think about it, like, it's literally their job to get better, and Fred Warner attacked
02:12his rehab with ferocity.
02:13You know that.
02:14So, you get hurt.
02:16You're bummed.
02:17You post on Instagram.
02:18Then, you put ice on it.
02:20You get surgery, and you start rehab immediately, and your whole life is your lovely family and
02:26rehab.
02:26Rehab and your lovely family.
02:28It's not like you and I, where you've got three kids, five if you count the stepkids.
02:33You've got four jobs, you've got to deal with me, Grandy, and Lucas, you've got to commute
02:38and this and that, and yeah, I've got to rehab this injury, too.
02:41Fred gets to do four to six to eight hours of rehab and treatment and STEM and ice and
02:47heat and all the rest of it.
02:48I got to.
02:49I'm not saying it makes it easier when your foot is facing the wrong way, but you don't
02:53have to worry about, oh, I've got to get out to Emeryville for my hour appointment
02:56and, you know, the co-pay and all the rest of that nonsense.
02:59Yeah, that's all true.
03:00So, I don't want to delay this any further, like what I said about George Kittle that was
03:07encouraging, and I said I did a deep dive, which is a total lie.
03:11No, I didn't do a deep dive.
03:13I just listened to our guy.
03:16That's it.
03:17I did do a dive on Doc Pandia information, and Doc Pandia said two things that I think are
03:28really encouraging.
03:31Achilles injuries today, the metrics are now at nine to 12 months.
03:38So, sure, it could be 12 months, which would mean missing the whole season unless the Niners
03:43make the playoffs next year.
03:46But nine months is not missing the season at all.
03:50Nine months gets you back about week five, week six, somewhere in there.
03:54Furthermore, he added that position by position, if you look at the results of an Achilles injury,
04:05because guys do different things.
04:08And so, what are the metrics position by position in terms of return to play?
04:14And at the highest level, at the quickest level, position-wise, tight end.
04:21So, put those two things together.
04:25I'm not now suddenly saying, sweet, we're good to go for the week five game.
04:30Yeah.
04:30I have no idea.
04:31But, like, you read those two things, and you're like, well, I'm certainly not ruling George
04:37Kittle out for the entire year next year.
04:39Of course not.
04:40Well, when he left on the card, I was.
04:43I'm like, it's January, it's an Achilles, you've had your 30th birthday, you're not playing
04:49next year.
04:50That's what went through my head.
04:51I don't think the Achilles cares how old you are, and it just comes down to how you go about
04:57repairing it.
04:57And I was actually talking to one of Doc Pandia's co-workers from when Pandia started,
05:03Jim Shively.
05:04So, I'm texting Pandia, I'm like, I'm here with Shives.
05:06Just met the man, friend of my father-in-law's, whatever, and so we're talking about it.
05:11And I said to Jim, hey, how do you go about, like, repairing it?
05:14Because I know when you tear an ACL, you get either a piece of your hamstring, or you get
05:19a cadaver, and then they stitch that baby in there.
05:22And he said, when you tear your Achilles, you rupture it?
05:25They just stitch that baby back together.
05:28That's why it takes so long for it to completely heal, and then you rehab it before you can go
05:33out there and test it again.
05:34I'm sorry for chuckling in that.
05:36I love what we do for a living.
05:38He's listening.
05:39Of course he is.
05:40Of course.
05:41So, it's almost, you know what the next question is the next time Doc comes on?
05:46Are you actually a doctor, and do you do, because all you, you're just listening to 95.7
05:51the game the entire day.
05:53It's a great question.
05:54Having had multiple surgeries, I do know that surgery usually happens early in the day.
05:59That's fair, but I'm also like, dude, are you doing AirPods when you're in the operating
06:03room listening to Shasky be like, shut the head!
06:07Shut the head!
06:09Like, is that what you do?
06:10Shut the head!
06:11Anyway, anyway.
06:13You bastard!
06:15Scalpel.
06:17What's your boy?
06:18Spadoni.
06:19Wait, what was that, Doc?
06:20I love you!
06:21Sponge.
06:23Scalpel.
06:23Man, Joe!
06:25Text line.
06:26Doc, are you okay?
06:27Can you imagine?
06:28All right, anyway, Doc, thank you for listening.
06:32Thank you for all you do.
06:33And I loved everything that you put out there about the Kittle injury, and here's what he
06:38just wrote to us just now in listening to us talk.
06:41I think there is a very high likelihood that Kittle could be back late September, early
06:49October, particularly with some of the new surgical techniques.
06:54Remember, Aaron Rodgers was like, I'll be back in two weeks.
06:57Right.
06:59And he's a crazy person, but whatever.
07:02So, there it is.
07:03Doc Pandia says, high likelihood, late September, early October.
07:09That's a few games.
07:12Yeah, I mean, a month, essentially.
07:13Four or five games, if that's the way it goes.
07:15We don't even start until like a week and a half into September.
07:18Labor Day-ish.
07:19You talked about it before about, yeah, put him on the pup four weeks, and then, all
07:23right, George, here we go.
07:24Maybe.
07:24You never know, and I'm not going to compare the people and the characters when I say
07:30Ayuk and Kittle, because Ayuk, his rehab, it seemed like, and I was going through the
07:35return to play protocols on the average for the ACL and the MCL, like what it normally
07:40is, and it fell within a certain range.
07:42And even when we got in the middle of that range, it's like, okay, Ayuk should be getting
07:46ready to roll here because, you know, the medical history says that 300 days is about what it
07:51should be, and he obviously never came back for other reasons, but you do feel enthused
07:56by the fact that George Kittle, much like Fred Warner, will attack this thing, and I do believe
08:02It's George.
08:03Exactly.
08:03He's having surgery either today or tomorrow.
08:05I think you're right.
08:06Yeah.
08:06And then, you know, from there, you start to, I'm sure it's like three months of you
08:10do nothing, and then you start to work through it.
08:12I'm not ruling him out of the Super Bowl.
08:15Next year's Super Bowl.
08:16No, no, no, no, no, no.
08:18I mean, it's George Kittle we're talking about.
08:20Yeah, okay.
08:21Ayahuasca.
08:24Ayahuasca.
08:26No, I, so anyway, that, I found that to be both interesting, encouraging, and fun, and
08:32then, you know, the other side of it about what Grandy was talking about, I get it.
08:37But Fred and George are, these are different animals, man.
08:42These are, these are, they are very, very special to 49er fans, and if they do become
08:48among the Patrick Willises and Frank Gores, it's going to be a bummer.
08:53But at the same time, I'm like, tap the brakes a little bit on the, this is their last chance,
09:02and quite frankly, we don't even know if either of them are going to participate this year.
09:05We know one of them won't, for sure, but like, I think these guys have a decent amount
09:13of tread on, on, on the tires.
09:16And, and sitting where the 49ers are, like, I kind of dig that, you remember now, this
09:22was supposed to be a retool year.
09:24This is supposed to be, like, a rework the defense and, and send it on a track that sets
09:32the 49ers up to really go after it a year or two from now.
09:36Um, and then things unfolded the way they did, but the way everybody's finally feeling about
09:42Kyle Shanahan, welcome to the party, by the way, um, and, and the way people are now feeling
09:47about Brock Purdy, who's about to start his contract, like, the Niners are, they're in
09:54position to compete every year right now for a handful of years.
09:58I don't know what's going to happen, the major injuries, blah, blah, blah, all that, but,
10:02like, this is, this is not some sort of like, put it this way, this is not the Golden State
10:06Warriors.
10:08Well, the end is much nearer for the Warriors, just based on age.
10:11A lot of people think the end is already, that's fine, I mean, they're, they're on pace
10:16to win, what, uh, 44 games this year, and they'll be a play-in team, and, you know, all
10:20they want is a shot in April, so they're on pace to be that, which means, you know, like
10:26last year, they had a chance, if Steph didn't get hurt, everyone telling me that Minnesota
10:30was vulnerable, I don't know about OKC, but the point is, what Shanahan said in August
10:35was, you know, we just want to be in the tournament and stuff, and we just want to have a chance
10:38at it, and here you are, you have a chance at it, and Kittle is signed through 2029,
10:44which means next year, and then three more after that, even though, you know how those
10:48contracts work, he probably won't play it all the way out, but next year will be his
10:5333-year-old year, he's been mostly durable for the majority of his career, and if he comes
10:58back from this in October, he has a chance to have another really sturdy year.
11:02Um, it's interesting, like, I just looked up Zach Ertz, and the reason I did that is
11:09like, what is the norm for a tight end, getting a little long in the tooth, but he can still
11:16certainly perform?
11:18How old do you think Zach Ertz is?
11:20Because Zach, by the way, I thought he'd be pretty good the last couple of years, but
11:23he's getting late in the career, he just tore his ACL, and when he left the field, with
11:28I think one or two weeks left to go in the regular season, I'm like, oof, that's probably
11:33it.
11:34Yeah, he's gotta be 34, 35, I would bet.
11:37He's 35 years old, he just turned 35 in November, and went...
11:40I remember doing his high school games on local TV, yeah.
11:43Geez.
11:43Do you want to talk about a power forward now?
11:45Oh, dude.
11:46He was a handful.
11:47Yeah.
11:47I did their game against De La Salle, and I think it was a 31-30 final up there in Monta
11:52Vista, and De La Salle had a 6'8 kid, and I think Mark Appel was playing in that game,
11:58the former No. 1 overall draft pick, pitcher, who never really materialized in Major League
12:03Baseball, but Zach Ertz was a handful on the court.
12:07I bet, but that was what went through my head, and it looked like that might have been what
12:11was going through his head, because he was very emotional when leaving the field, and
12:15I'm like, you're not emotional because you're missing the playoffs, because you're on Washington
12:19and they suck, so what's going through your mind, and I'm guessing, I don't know, but it
12:26felt like somebody who was thinking to himself, am I on a cart, and am I leaving a football
12:33field for the last time?
12:34Travis Kelsey at 36, where he didn't get carted off, his quarterback did a few weeks
12:39earlier, and he's walking off, and everyone's thinking, all right, that's it, you know, don't
12:45shake it off, you're going to go see Taylor shows now for the rest of your days.
12:48And I know, like, George, dude, this is third injury this year.
12:53Like, he had, and one of them was kind of minor-ish, and the other one was pretty major-ish,
12:58and what did he miss, six games?
13:00With the hammy?
13:00Yeah, the hamstring.
13:01They called it a full tear, like he missed a month and a half.
13:04So, add all that together, and are we ever going to see George kind of perform the way
13:10he has in the past?
13:12I can't say that, maybe not, but do I still think he's got productive years coming up?
13:18Absolutely.
13:20Now, that said, this is a very good tight end class this year.
13:24Is that something that the 49ers maybe would have been thinking about anyway?
13:28Because George is about to turn 33, and now he's turning 33 with an Achilles.
13:34And that was the reason I brought up the 30th birthday, by the way.
13:37Tight ends can perform beyond 30.
13:39There is a thing in sports, and maybe Doc Pandia can weigh in on this too, but I remember this
13:44when Kobe did it against the Warriors, there was this, there's this thing.
13:49That injury after 30 usually means athlete is never the same again.
13:55Maybe that's different now, but 10, 15 years ago, that was always the thing.
14:02Like, that's the worst injury, and you really don't want it after age 30, because that's
14:07when you can return, but you're never really, you don't have the burst that you used to
14:12have.
14:12And I think basketball is much more of a factor.
14:15Because you need that, you need the bounce, you need that lift, you need more of that short
14:19area explosiveness.
14:20Now, George Kittle, he has that in many ways, but he could still be a good tight end and
14:26maybe not be as quick.
14:28Maybe it's not as much yak when he comes back from the Achilles, but yeah, I was thinking
14:33about Klay Thompson too, how old he was when he did his Achilles, and he was right about
14:3830, because he was 28 in the finals when he did the ACL, missed that year, and then got
14:45hurt again, and then missed the next year as well.
14:47And I'd like to ask the question, now that we've arrived where we are, did Klay Thompson
14:51ever look the same again?
14:53He did in the short run?
14:54I disagree.
14:55Well, he averaged 20 and then 22.
14:58He was good.
14:59He was good.
15:00If you want to look at just numbers and the fact that he was a part of a championship team
15:03that first year back, then two years after, he still looked very close to old Klay, and
15:09subsequently, no, he hasn't.
15:11Yeah.
15:11But he was not the second best player on the championship team.
15:14He was during the year, but not in the finals, in the playoff run.
15:18Andrew Wiggins.
15:19Hi, this is Andrew Wiggins.
15:21Anyway.
15:23Would have been good to get him to tell you that your picks stink.
15:25Although they didn't this week.
15:27Maybe when they acquire Wiggins tomorrow, he'll get a chance to do that.
15:31Oh, my God.
15:31I've been traded back to the Warriors.
15:33This is Andrew Wiggins.
15:34He would hate that.
15:37I don't even know.
15:38Nobody knows what Andrew's ever thinking, but I feel like he would hate that.
15:42I mean, you never know.
15:44Come play with Jimmy Butler.
15:46I'm sure Jimmy wouldn't mind if he took a couple possessions off.
15:49Hang on.
15:49We got more Doc texts.
15:52Most of the data now suggests that you have a first season drop-off, and then the second
15:57season, it ends up being more normalized.
16:01But career length is shortened.
16:04I'm on these.
16:05I told you he was texting us.
16:08Not just texting me.
16:09Doc isn't thoughtful like that.
16:12He knows especially you.
16:13You get your feelings all hurt.
16:15I'm just doing a show here.
16:16I'm not all on my phone all the time.
16:17Well, no.
16:18This is part of the show.
16:20The Doc has always been part of our show.
16:22The Doc is in.
16:23Yeah.
16:23No doubt.
16:24He's locked in.
16:25He's yoked in.
16:26Yeah.
16:27Look at him.
16:28This is like firing script here on the fly.
16:31Gotta love it.
16:32Yeah.
16:33Anyway.
16:34Yeah.
16:34Career shortened.
16:35And so, you know, can Kittle play until he's 36?
16:39Maybe.
16:40And what you said before, though, I think is a part of the story.
16:43I was looking at Travis Kelsey's career.
16:46He played in 15 or more games every year.
16:49Every year.
16:50Kittle has a couple of eights in there.
16:52He's got a 12.
16:53And so, not that he's been fragile.
16:56Somebody earlier on one of the platforms chimed in with that.
16:59That's totally unfair and wrong.
17:01Completely.
17:01But George has had a number of injuries.
17:04Well, Travis is still waiting to block someone for the first time in his life.
17:09Fine.
17:09I mean, he's also figuring out where to store his rings when he goes on tour with Taylor.
17:13Not taking a shot.
17:14Just telling you they play a different brand of football.
17:16You took a shot.
17:17They play a different brand of football.
17:21They do.
17:23It's just different schemes.
17:25So, yeah.
17:25Yes.
17:25Well, and one of them is not really asked to block that much.
17:29He's a receiver.
17:29And the other one's not being asked to play all the time.
17:33Yes, he is.
17:35I mean, he's being asked to, but he's not available.
17:37Right.
17:37All the time.
17:38Yeah.
17:39Yeah.
17:39He had a pretty good record through his career.
17:41Yeah.
17:42Yeah.
17:42Pretty good record.
17:43Pretty good.
17:44And when he's out there, he's phenomenal.
17:46He's going to be in the Hall of Fame eventually.
17:48I get.
17:49I don't like it when we're all football.
17:51Like, even right now, can I share something with you that's starting to tick me off?
17:56Save it for Friday.
17:57No, because our brothers in the morning, I love you like brothers.
18:02I text with them all the time.
18:04But to take his shots and yucking it up at Pearsall's expense this morning, in my opinion.
18:11They probably would say, no, we weren't.
18:13But, like, I just, we're not there yet.
18:17I will acknowledge the frustration of Ricky Pearsall's lack of availability through his
18:23first two years of football.
18:25But I don't like it when we immediately jump when someone has struggled with injury two
18:32seasons in a row.
18:34And he didn't even really struggle with injury during his rookie year.
18:38He got shot.
18:40He struggled with injury before he got shot in camp.
18:42Yes, for sure.
18:44Absolutely.
18:45Which, by the way, is far from reserved for Ricky.
18:49Like, I just think we do that we jump really quickly on the football front, especially, to
18:56this guy's brittle.
18:58Or this guy is, you know, he made a glass or whatever.
19:01It's like, come on, man.
19:03This is football.
19:05It always makes me laugh.
19:06Actually, this text came from my buddies over the weekend.
19:10They're like, did Pearsall have an injury history when he was drafted?
19:14I don't know if there's ever been a football player that doesn't have an injury history
19:18when you draft them.
19:20Like, are some injuries bigger than others?
19:22Yes.
19:23There's no such thing as...
19:24Do some have more injuries than others?
19:26Yes.
19:26Yes.
19:27But, like, is there an injury history?
19:29Yeah.
19:30He's a football player.
19:32Answers, yeah.
19:32He's played in 20 of the 35 available games in his two-year career.
19:37How much of those, though, will fall under the gunshot wound?
19:41Because you can, in my mind, I remove those.
19:44That's not, to me, that's not fair.
19:45He didn't play the first six last year.
19:47Now, was that all gunshot-related, or was he also nursing another injury at the time?
19:51I think those were gunshot-related.
19:52Okay.
19:53I mean, the OTAs and the camp, and, like, it's a fair question, but don't start yucking
19:59it up and being like, ah, he's a little wimpy boy.
20:02Like, that stuff is just, to me, if I were a football player, and that was fans and media,
20:08like, no wonder there's a little bit of tension there.
20:11I'd want to punch somebody in the face if that's what they were saying about me.
20:14If you wanted to do the yuck it up thing, you'd go to Jacob Cowling, for example, as a
20:20guy who can't get healthy and can't play.
20:23Full participant today.
20:24Okay.
20:25Cool.
20:26You think he'll be up on game day?
20:27I don't know.
20:28I'm telling you, he won't be.
20:29Probably not.
20:30Probably not.
20:30Probably not.
20:31So, I mean, there's other players that they've had, and, you know, the Oregon running back
20:35who's been unable to ever play for this team.
20:37Yeah.
20:37The rookie.
20:38He's been active the last couple weeks, Dibs.
20:40Yeah, active.
20:41What's he done?
20:42No, well, see, but I don't...
20:43He's passed Garendo.
20:44Garendo's now the inactive running back.
20:46Ooh, there you go.
20:47Scoreboard, Dibs!
20:48What's, like, I mean, he's a backup.
20:49He has not cracked Christian McCaffrey and Brian Robinson, which is not really a slight,
20:55by the way.
20:56You have not cracked a Hall of Famer and another very accomplished NFL running back.
21:02Okay.
21:02Yeah, Dibs.
21:03But he's just a backup.
21:04In large part, his season has been beset by inability to actually be healthy enough to
21:09even threaten.
21:10Well, and this is one year of his life.
21:13Right.
21:14Do you know what I mean?
21:14He's a bust.
21:15Yeah.
21:16Well, okay.
21:17I mean, if you're afraid to call it as you see it, I'm not.
21:22How come you won't do that with any of the Warriors?
21:24How come you wouldn't?
21:25Like, you still get uncomfortable when I call James Wiseman a bust.
21:28Oh, his race is not yet run.
21:30We'll see where he lands, but it's not looking good.
21:34He's been very run.
21:36Yes, it has.
21:36Trey Lance, third team now, and I'm afraid so.
21:41Poor Justin Herbert's getting his spleen removed, and Harbaugh's like, should I go to?
21:47No.
21:48Get up, Justin.
21:49I'm going to need you to get up.
21:51Dude, that was one of the, and I was, okay, I'm doing the show with an offensive lineman
21:56on Sunday.
21:56Kind of doing the show.
21:58Part of it.
21:58But anyway, I've never heard, I've never heard him like this, because that game was
22:03on during the show, and he literally was, he didn't want to watch the game anymore.
22:08He was so uncomfortable watching that Charger offensive line, and it's not their, I don't
22:13want to say it's not their fault.
22:14It is their job.
22:15But like, they are second and third and fourth string offensive linemen.
22:19The Chargers have been so crushed by offensive line injury.
22:23But then again, there's also guys out there who are first stringers, and they're not playing
22:28well, but he was uncomfortable watching that game as it was happening, because like, you're
22:34going to get Justin killed.
22:36Literally.
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