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00:00Happy New Year and welcome to the Traitors Uncloaked,
00:03the official visualized companion podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble.
00:07We're back to accompany another irresistible series of the best show on TV.
00:11Joining me each episode to unpick all the treachery from the castle
00:14will be familiar former players, celebrity superfans,
00:17and of course, the latest murdered and banished players.
00:21Now, you know what's coming.
00:22Spoiler alert!
00:23If you haven't watched the first episode of Series 4,
00:26then head to BBC iPlayer and do that now.
00:28Now, coming up, we discuss that red-cloaked twist
00:32and who the secret traitor might be.
00:34We share our first impressions of the other traitors
00:36and we unpick the lies and deceit already swirling around the castle.
00:40To do all of this and more, I'm joined by celebrity faithful Lucy Beaumont,
00:44Series 3 traitor Mina, Series 2 faithful Molly,
00:47and traitor superfan Jack Remington!
00:54Welcome, everyone.
00:56So exciting.
00:56Thank you for joining me on the first episode of Uncloaked for Series 4.
01:00We are obviously going to be discussing everything that happened in this episode,
01:04but Lucy, first, I want to chat to you,
01:06because you were amazing in the celebrity series.
01:08How did you find watching the first episode of the new civilian series
01:11now that you're not in the castle?
01:13At first, I was like, oh, God, here we go again.
01:17You know, like, when you're like, there's a set thing, like, oh.
01:19And then, I was absolutely hooked.
01:23By the end, I was like, they have, they've done it again.
01:27But you'll want to talk about the twist in a minute, I'm sure.
01:31We'll probably bring it up, I'd imagine.
01:32But that just is taking it to a new level.
01:36Totally, yeah.
01:37Total new level.
01:38This time round, there is a secret traitor.
01:40Not even the traitors know who they are,
01:42and we do not know who they are as we are watching.
01:46So everyone watching now is a faithful,
01:49because we need to work out who this traitor is.
01:51Yes.
01:52So you've got a theory, I hear, Lucy.
01:54When we watched it together, I just had to ask the group,
01:57did they say that the secret traitor was one of that cast?
02:00Because it could be Claire Balding.
02:05So you think it's not only a secret traitor,
02:08it's someone secret within the castle.
02:09You think Claire Balding is hiding something,
02:11maybe in the suit of armour, and she's going to pop out.
02:13Well, I did say, I said publicly online
02:16that I think Claire Balding will come back.
02:18Yeah.
02:19And then you can imagine how I felt
02:21when they said there's a secret traitor.
02:23Yeah.
02:24And in the cloak, when it was walking,
02:26it did look like Claire Balding's walk.
02:29And I thought, that's why you made me move up,
02:31because she's going to sit here.
02:33So you thought, we are going to reveal
02:36the identity of the secret traitor
02:37in this episode of Uncloaked,
02:39and it's going to be Claire Balding.
02:39Yeah, I'm just so glad they've done this,
02:42because, you know, you won't know this,
02:44but it's so infuriating when people are like,
02:47how did you not know?
02:48Yeah.
02:49I feel you with that one.
02:50It's time for the public to play this game
02:51and realise how hard it is.
02:54What was your instant thought
02:55when you saw the twist, Mina?
02:56Can I be honest?
02:57Yeah.
02:58I was fuming,
02:59because that screams Mina energy down to a tee.
03:03I want to be in the red cloak.
03:04But then we were saying as well
03:05that they're going to be so anxious,
03:08because even for them,
03:09it's not a comfortable, safe situation.
03:11They've not got the support
03:12of at least two other traitors
03:14when they get to the round table.
03:15They're by themselves.
03:16Yeah.
03:16So everybody's going to be feeling anxious now.
03:19You know, before it was like,
03:19the traitors have got the upper hand.
03:21Yeah.
03:21Traitors have now got to guess about the secret one,
03:24but then the secret one's going to be anxious
03:26because they're out there on their own
03:27and obviously all the faithfuls are anxious anyway.
03:29So it's just good telling.
03:31Would you have been angry as a traitor
03:33if you found out there's a secret traitor?
03:35You get there,
03:37you're like,
03:37as a traitor,
03:38you think,
03:38I want to be picked,
03:39I want to be picked.
03:39Then you get picked
03:40and then you find out
03:41someone else is running the show
03:43and you're limited to who you can murder
03:45because the secret traitor
03:46ultimately gives you the options.
03:48All the power's gone.
03:49All the power's gone in the turret.
03:51Hugo's not a happy boy.
03:53He is not happy.
03:54It's funny though
03:55because they get everything they wanted.
03:56Like they've obviously,
03:58they've made it to the show,
03:59which is amazing.
04:00They've been able to be a traitor,
04:01which they want to do
04:02and now it's like snatched away from them.
04:04That power's gone
04:05and I love it.
04:07I'm happy about the Hugo situation
04:09because when he said before
04:10that he was a psychopathic teddy bear,
04:11I was like,
04:12this is what you want to happen
04:13to a psychopathic teddy bear.
04:15Take away all the toys
04:16and they go mental.
04:17Yeah.
04:18I mean,
04:18he had it all planned,
04:19didn't he?
04:20I've got a hug in my name,
04:21but if you get too close,
04:21I'll stab you in the back.
04:23And then he became a traitor.
04:24You must have been so happy about it
04:25and then suddenly the rugs pull.
04:27Yeah.
04:27Do we have any speculative theories
04:29so far as to who
04:30the secret traitor might be?
04:31We've only had one episode,
04:32but has anyone spotted anything?
04:34We thought Amanda would be great
04:35and we also all warmed to Judy.
04:39I love my mum,
04:40but I would also happily have Judy
04:42as my mum.
04:42Yeah.
04:43Love you, mum.
04:44So I feel like she'd be
04:45a really good person
04:46in kind of like a motherly,
04:48instinctive way
04:48and then if she's pulling
04:50all the strings behind the scenes,
04:51although they are slightly onto her already.
04:53Yeah, this is it.
04:54Did we spot Judy's head turn
04:55at the round table?
04:56Not another head turn.
04:57Oh no.
04:58There was a little bit of a Linda moment.
04:59Really?
05:00Yeah, to the word traitors.
05:02Yeah.
05:02Oh.
05:03So if Judy is the secret traitor,
05:05she's not done a great job
05:06of keeping it secret so far.
05:07I really hope the secret traitor gets far
05:09because I just think it's fun.
05:11Yeah.
05:11Like it is fun
05:12and it's like added
05:13such another layer to the game.
05:14Imagine if like Judy's the first to go
05:16and that's it.
05:17I think Jessie could be the secret traitor.
05:19Yeah.
05:19I don't know why.
05:20I think when she was speaking on the train,
05:23she just really like,
05:24I don't know,
05:24I connected with her
05:25and I thought she could be a good traitor
05:26and she said she wanted to be a traitor.
05:28Yeah.
05:29They all seem to this year.
05:30Yeah, yeah.
05:31I feel like everyone just wants to be conniving.
05:32It's great.
05:33But that makes it so hard to work out
05:34who the secret traitor is, right?
05:36Because there's so many discussions
05:37in the gold chats
05:38where everyone says they want to be a traitor.
05:40You're like, well, who could it be?
05:41Amanda, I thought,
05:42potentially a good secret traitor.
05:44I think a terrible secret detective
05:45because I'm watching Amanda
05:47and I'm thinking,
05:48I'd know you were a copper
05:49as soon as I meet you.
05:50Yeah.
05:50Yeah, she's like central casting,
05:52like leading the bill.
05:54Yeah.
05:56I'm surprised they've not done
05:57any sort of shots of just her feet.
05:59walking across the gravel.
06:00Maybe that's the walk
06:01she was getting confused with.
06:02Yeah, maybe.
06:03That's who you think Claire is.
06:04Does Claire Balding walk like a bulletproof?
06:08They have obviously like,
06:10a couple of people mentioned
06:12Jade looked nervous
06:13and then obviously they showed Jade
06:16but you don't know whether they're just,
06:18it's a red herring.
06:20But it would make sense
06:22that you're seeing the secret traitor
06:25a lot within this episode.
06:27and she did,
06:28she did look nervous
06:29and being there,
06:32you know,
06:32you don't look nervous
06:33because it's like a relief really.
06:36See, I disagree.
06:37I feel like I looked nervous.
06:39Oh, did you?
06:39I was nervous.
06:40I was petrified.
06:41Oh, really?
06:42Yeah.
06:42In case someone was like,
06:44thought you was...
06:44I think I was just out of my depth
06:46a little bit to be honest
06:47and I think,
06:48you know,
06:48you signed yourself up for something
06:49to the unknown completely really.
06:51Like it's,
06:52I was probably
06:53just nervous in general.
06:55You're around loads of new people
06:57so I don't know
06:58if it's fair to say
06:59like that nervousness
07:00is just because she's guilty
07:02because I was nervous as hell.
07:04Like I...
07:05But people obviously didn't
07:07pick up on that
07:07because obviously
07:08even though you were nervous,
07:09people can still tell
07:10that's authentic
07:11and it's not for that reason.
07:12And I suppose
07:13it could be like that for Jade.
07:15I think maybe people
07:16just need to get to know her
07:17a little bit more.
07:17Maybe the people
07:18that don't know her so well
07:19are the ones kind of
07:20picking up on that energy.
07:21Whereas if they've had
07:22a few chats with her
07:23they might know
07:23she's a bit of a nervous person anyway
07:25or we could be wrong
07:26and it's her.
07:27We could, yeah.
07:28Has anyone made any comments
07:29so far that you think
07:30are they're a bit suspicious?
07:32They're a little bit,
07:32you're a bit on edge with them?
07:33I think James needs
07:34to be real careful.
07:35He is throwing names out
07:37left, right and centre.
07:38That point in he was doing.
07:39Yeah, it's...
07:39That was wild.
07:40It just,
07:41you need to be under the radar.
07:43Like, you do
07:44and as much as
07:45you can get excited
07:46especially when you feel something
07:47and like you're sure it's right
07:48just be careful
07:50with what she's saying I think.
07:52I worry about Fiona
07:53because of the mission.
07:55I think at that early on
07:57in the game
07:57everyone's just holding on
07:59to any little thing
07:59that happens
08:00and that's like
08:01the only thing
08:02that's really happened
08:03and I just think
08:04it was an accident
08:04or is she the secret traitor?
08:06What if she's putting
08:07all this on?
08:08What if she's not
08:09what if she's not
08:10mixing anything up
08:11at all?
08:13What if it's like
08:14Willy Wonka
08:14when he comes out
08:15of the factory
08:15and he's on a walking stick
08:17and then he does a tumble?
08:19Exactly.
08:20Fiona's going to
08:21start doing flips.
08:22Yeah.
08:22She's going to do flips
08:23in a red cloak.
08:25Now we know
08:26who isn't the secret traitor
08:27because of the murder shortlist.
08:29Yes.
08:29We've got James,
08:30Nettie and Maz.
08:31Do you think
08:31there's anyone else, Jack
08:33that we can rule out
08:34of being the secret traitor?
08:35Who's 100% faithful essentially?
08:37It's funny
08:40because I feel like
08:41I trust Judy
08:42but I literally want her
08:42to be the secret traitor.
08:44So my want
08:46and my actually thinking
08:47it may be a different thing.
08:48I want her to be
08:48but I actually don't think
08:49she will be.
08:49I think she's faithful
08:51and unfortunately
08:52is just sadly
08:53on the chopping block
08:54at the moment.
08:54Now we don't know
08:55who the secret traitor is
08:56but neither do
08:57the traitors themselves.
08:59They were very shocked
09:00when Claudia told them.
09:01Let's remind ourselves
09:02of that.
09:02I just had to pop in
09:03because I have
09:05a small confession.
09:07Oh.
09:08Oh no.
09:09Mm.
09:10You are not
09:11the only traitors
09:12in this castle.
09:14At the round table
09:16I picked
09:17one other traitor.
09:19The secret traitor.
09:21Oh my God.
09:23You still have power
09:24but not quite as much.
09:27Hugo was gutted
09:32wasn't he?
09:32I think they all
09:33were a bit fuming
09:34to be honest.
09:35I don't blame them.
09:36We also said
09:37it makes it even worse
09:38for the faithfuls
09:39because if you
09:40as a faithful
09:41end up directing
09:43some attention
09:44at one of the traitors
09:45not actually knowing
09:45if they were a traitor
09:46or not
09:46you're immediately
09:47going to look like
09:48the secret traitor
09:49to the traitors
09:51because obviously
09:51the secret traitor
09:52knows who the traitors are.
09:53So if you just happen
09:54to stumble as a faithful
09:55onto the right person
09:56and say in one of the traitors
09:58you even more than normal
10:00maybe put more of a target
10:01on your back
10:01because the traitors
10:02are going to want
10:03to get rid of you
10:03so the secret traitor's gone.
10:04So do you think
10:05the secret traitor
10:06will be looking
10:08to knock out
10:09fellow traitors
10:10at this point in the game?
10:11Yeah.
10:11I think they're already
10:12showing that.
10:13You know when
10:14they found out
10:15who the shortlist was
10:16they all
10:18looked a bit
10:19petered
10:21but they were like
10:21why have they picked them?
10:23Like we are
10:23as if there's like
10:24there's almost an agreement
10:25that these
10:26were the wrong people
10:27you needed to pick
10:28and either that's just
10:29a fluke
10:30or the secret traitor's
10:31laying the stall out early
10:32of I'm not on your side
10:34and I'm not going to go
10:35with people I think
10:36you want to.
10:37As much as I think
10:38the secret traitor
10:39is against them
10:39I don't necessarily think
10:41they're going to be
10:42trying to get rid of them
10:42just yet
10:43because there's no need
10:44they're going to just
10:44recruit them.
10:45Do you know what I thought
10:46was interesting though
10:47to Lucy's point?
10:48How come all three of them
10:50were annoyed
10:51at the shortlist?
10:52So surely
10:53there's something
10:54that the traitors
10:55have like
10:56cottoned on to
10:57or you know
10:58they would have picked
10:59three different names
11:00so I think
11:00a part of me thinks
11:01the secret traitor
11:02has done that
11:03to maybe like
11:05make their lives
11:06a bit harder
11:07the actual traitors
11:08because all three of them
11:09were like
11:09why have they picked
11:10these people?
11:11Well they had a discussion
11:11they came to
11:12a sort of vague idea
11:13of who they might want
11:14to murder themselves
11:15and then obviously
11:17it was completely different
11:18I don't think
11:19there was any
11:19any malice
11:21from the secret traitor
11:21picking those
11:22particular names
11:23I just think
11:23they have very
11:24different ideas
11:24at this point
11:25because there's
11:25so many people
11:26aren't they?
11:26True.
11:27So then there is
11:27there's maybe
11:28a chance
11:29that at some point
11:30the traitors
11:31start to work out
11:32who the secret traitor is
11:34is that what you mean
11:35that's such a clever
11:36point
11:37because they'll
11:38throw the heat
11:39onto them
11:40and they'll be like
11:40whoa that's weird
11:41but then can only
11:42mention it at the round table
11:43because they can't
11:44murder them at night
11:45Such a clever game
11:47It's so clever now
11:48this is added into it
11:49It's good this show
11:50isn't it?
11:51Yeah it's a good show
11:51I just can't
11:52live any more of my life
11:53in this headspace though
11:55it's like
11:55oh god
11:57I've got other things
11:58to be doing
11:59I can't be
12:00I can't believe
12:01I've now got to
12:02work out who a secret
12:03traitor is
12:04I've had months
12:06and months of this
12:07I'm sorry we made you
12:08come on this Lucy
12:08Now I'm
12:09can you just tell
12:10who is it?
12:11I don't know
12:12I've got no idea
12:13Isn't it frustrating?
12:14Yeah it is
12:15Mina if this had happened
12:16on your series
12:17how would it have
12:18altered your gameplay
12:19as a traitor?
12:20I feel like
12:22you just go into
12:23panic mode
12:23because like you guys
12:25said as a traitor
12:26that's all you want
12:27to get picked
12:27you get picked
12:28I'm with them on Ian
12:29Linda
12:30fantastic
12:30and then Claudia
12:31tells you actually
12:32there's somebody else
12:34pulling the strings
12:35I just think
12:36you'd have to try
12:37and keep everyone
12:39on side
12:39until you can work
12:40out who it is
12:41Yeah
12:42It's the only thing
12:42that you can do
12:43but then you don't
12:44know who it is
12:45so then
12:45what if you try
12:46spread rumours
12:47about them
12:48and they're like
12:48okay
12:49I think you know
12:50what you're doing
12:50your days are numbered
12:52I don't know
12:52it's so hard
12:54I just feel like
12:55you'd be so annoyed
12:56as a traitor
12:57you think
12:57I think Hugo
12:59actually said it
13:00you want all the
13:01control
13:01as the traitor
13:02and actually
13:03with their show
13:05they haven't got
13:06all the control
13:07because there's this
13:07massive thing
13:08that they don't
13:08know about
13:09we should talk
13:10about the new
13:11cohort of
13:11non-secret traitors
13:12the traitors
13:13that we know about
13:14how do we think
13:15Hugo's going to be
13:16as a traitor
13:17Mina what do you reckon
13:18I think the other two
13:19are going to
13:21get rid of him
13:21yeah
13:22that's what I think
13:24I quite like him
13:24to be honest
13:25but I feel like
13:26Rachel and Stephen
13:27are synced up
13:28on how they want
13:29to play this game
13:30and I think
13:30they'll work
13:31as a team
13:31but I think
13:32Hugo's got the potential
13:34to potentially
13:35rub them up
13:35the wrong way
13:36therefore they'll be like
13:37you're not helping
13:39or plans
13:40to win as traitors
13:41they already
13:42have said
13:43haven't they
13:43that they think
13:44if anyone
13:44doesn't stick out
13:45it's Hugo
13:46out of the three of them
13:47and Rachel even said
13:48she don't trust him
13:49and she
13:49yes
13:49and I think
13:51if you don't trust
13:52each other
13:54yeah
13:55it's not going to work
13:55what do we think
13:58of Rachel
13:59as a traitor
13:59so far
14:00great
14:00good reaction
14:01faces to Storm
14:02yeah
14:02I'm enjoying
14:04watching her
14:04I think she's
14:05going to go
14:06very very far
14:07I do think
14:08she's a bit like you
14:09she's a shard
14:10from the stack
14:11yeah
14:11she seems
14:12in control
14:13but in a very calm
14:14measured way
14:16and Hugo's
14:17I think
14:17relishing playing the part
14:19for sure
14:20like calling Claudia
14:21the queen of darkness
14:22and all of this
14:23sort of stuff
14:23he's ready for panto
14:25yeah
14:25he'd make a great dame
14:28yeah he would
14:29he's being very open
14:31about his job
14:31being a barrister
14:33and is that the sort of job
14:34that you would have thought
14:34maybe try and keep
14:35that secret
14:35definitely
14:36I also think
14:37that he's going to
14:38really struggle
14:39not having all the power
14:40I think that he's going to
14:41I think he's going to
14:42really really find that
14:43hard
14:43because he went in there
14:45with that mindset
14:45yeah
14:46and now it's flipped
14:47I think it's flipped
14:48his whole game
14:48and like I think
14:50he's going to really struggle
14:51because obviously
14:52once you're
14:53a traitor
14:54like the whole thing is
14:55people not knowing
14:55who you are
14:56so the fact that there's
14:57someone in that group
14:58that knows
14:59is scary
15:00yeah
15:01he strikes me as someone
15:02who has quite a lot of
15:03control and power
15:05in his life anyway
15:06yeah
15:06so that's what he's used to
15:08yeah
15:08so to suddenly not have it
15:10I think is
15:11going to mess him up
15:12a little bit
15:12yeah
15:12and finally Stephen
15:14we should talk about Stephen
15:14very well dressed
15:15best dressed man
15:16on the show
15:17totally
15:17do we think that's going to
15:18help him as a traitor
15:19yes
15:19yes
15:20people trust fashionable people
15:22yes
15:22don't they
15:23yeah look at Jonathan Ross
15:25he stayed for ages
15:26he wasn't fashionable
15:27do you not think it was his looks
15:28that kept him in
15:29I think these lot were like
15:30do you know what
15:31let's just see what he's
15:32going to wear tomorrow
15:32wear tomorrow
15:33yeah
15:33so not saying he's as
15:35fashionable as Stephen
15:35but he was quirky
15:37I think let's see what
15:38Jonathan's wearing tomorrow
15:39is different to fashionable
15:41okay
15:41I agree
15:42there was one thing he was wearing
15:44I thought it was alive
15:45he sat next to me
15:49and I went
15:50skunk in it
15:51and he said
15:52no it's attached to my
15:53jacket
15:55but yeah Stephen
15:57seems very affable as well
15:58I think people
15:59will naturally trust him
16:00yeah
16:00he seems quite like warm
16:02very kindly
16:03friendly
16:03charming
16:04I think he's going to
16:05probably go the fullest
16:06out of the three
16:06to describe him
16:07wholesome
16:08yep
16:08he is wholesome
16:09yep
16:09I think Pete
16:11like you said
16:11everyone's going to trust him
16:12and therefore
16:14the faithful
16:14will doubt that he is a traitor
16:16but I think Rachel trusts him
16:18and I think he's going to have
16:19Rachel's back
16:20so they'll work well together
16:21yeah
16:21Lucy now
16:22obviously you and the other
16:24faithful in your series
16:25struggled to
16:26catch traitors
16:27for quite a long time
16:28yeah
16:28what do you think
16:29the chances are
16:30in this series
16:31of the traitors
16:31sneaking under the radar
16:32like Alan and Kat did
16:34I don't think it's going to happen
16:35I don't think it's going to happen
16:37with this
16:37and I think
16:38adding the secret traitor
16:40I think there's going to be
16:42a bigger turnover
16:42I think they're going to get there
16:44Molly
16:45if you were in there
16:46as a faithful
16:47is there anyone
16:48that you're suspicious of
16:49at this point
16:50you're asking the wrong person
16:51to be honest
16:52whoever she says
16:53it's the opposite
16:54literally
16:54don't listen to me
16:56well is there anyone in there
16:58that you'd trust
16:59and would be your best friend
17:00right until the end of the game
17:01oh yeah
17:01definitely
17:02all three of the traitors
17:03to be honest
17:06at this stage
17:07it's so early
17:08like it really is
17:09you don't know each other yet
17:10which is the hardest thing
17:11because like
17:12it's hard to know
17:13if someone's slipping up
17:13like we talked about earlier
17:14you don't know their personality
17:15so
17:16is that just them
17:17or is
17:18that them
17:18being guilty
17:19I think
17:20once you kind of
17:21get to know people
17:22you can pick up on things
17:23a lot better
17:24yeah
17:24I say
17:25but
17:25who would you write down
17:29on the first banishment
17:30whoever everyone else
17:32is writing down
17:33to be honest
17:33would you
17:33yeah
17:34that Fiona thing
17:35doesn't help does it
17:36like what you were saying
17:37about the small little things
17:38to go on
17:39maybe you'd vote Fiona
17:40if I was a faithful
17:41that's the only thing
17:42that I've got to go off
17:43yeah
17:43that's it
17:44you sit at the table
17:45with pretty much no idea
17:47you're obviously
17:48just going to take in
17:49everyone else's ideas
17:49and to be quite honest
17:51you're scared yourself
17:52of looking dodgy
17:52so you're going to
17:53literally put
17:54kind of what the group's saying
17:56and also you need the group
17:57to work together
17:57to get someone out
17:58and someone has to go
17:59unfortunately
18:00so it kind of makes sense
18:01if you have no idea
18:02obviously if you have an inkling
18:04then yeah
18:04it's good to bring it up
18:05but if you have no idea
18:06then go with the group
18:07I say
18:08so we've got a whole
18:09bunch of new players
18:11to get to know
18:11over the coming weeks
18:12so let's discuss
18:13a few of them here
18:14we've got a lot of people
18:15with interesting jobs
18:16this series
18:17we've obviously got
18:19a secret barrister
18:20someone who is a barrister
18:22but keeping it secret
18:22in Harriet
18:23but we've got Hugo
18:24who is an actual barrister
18:26or is he
18:27or being
18:27and Hugo is being honest
18:29about being a barrister
18:30oh so now you're worried
18:31that Hugo
18:32is pretending to be a barrister
18:33he's a lollipop man
18:34I think he's a Claire Balden
18:36impersonator
18:37I love how this
18:39secret traitor thing
18:40has made none of you
18:41trust anything
18:41that we've seen
18:42like I don't believe him
18:44okay well
18:44I think I can tell you
18:46that Hugo
18:47is genuinely a barrister
18:48it'd be a rubbish job
18:49to choose to lie about
18:50otherwise
18:50do you think
18:51that is going to
18:51draw suspicion to him
18:52yeah
18:53I think when people
18:55have got nothing
18:55you grab onto anything
18:56so I definitely think
18:58so you think it's smarter
18:59the thing that Harriet's doing
19:00which is concealing
19:01being a barrister
19:02yeah or like what Leanne did
19:03like I just think
19:04do something that people see
19:06as more like everyday relatable
19:07true
19:08I think makes sense
19:08and if she can keep it
19:10a secret that is
19:11do you know what I mean
19:11she might slip up
19:12and I think that's another thing
19:13she's got to think about
19:14is you are lying
19:16in some way
19:17and of course we have
19:18the massive secret relationship
19:19Judy and Roxy
19:20a mother and daughter
19:21yeah
19:22let's remind ourselves
19:23of when Roxy revealed
19:24the secret
19:25oh my gosh
19:27James is running wild
19:29saying Judy is a traitor
19:30I don't know
19:32if she's a traitor or not
19:33Judy seems lovely
19:35but I'm bound to say that
19:37considering she's my mum
19:39bloody hell
19:42well my mind's crumbling
19:43keeping it secret
19:44just because I think
19:46if you come in as a pair
19:48it's almost like an alliance
19:50I feel super protective
19:51over her
19:52and hearing anyone
19:54like cast out on her
19:56for her actions
19:57is just generally
19:58not quite nice
19:59so there we are
20:00I mean I personally
20:01think that Roxy's already
20:02doing quite a bad job
20:03of concealing the relationship
20:05because there's been
20:06conversations
20:07where she is talking
20:08to Judy
20:08in such a way
20:09that only a daughter
20:10would talk to their mum
20:11so going
20:11you're quite loud
20:12aren't you
20:13it's like
20:13no you're supposed
20:14to have just met
20:15you've just met
20:16you're quite a loud lady
20:17aren't you
20:17of course
20:19that's your mum
20:19and also giving her tips
20:20didn't she
20:21in front of people
20:22it wasn't kind of like
20:23pulling her off to the side
20:24because I know like
20:25Ross and Diane
20:25had little chats
20:26on the side
20:26like Ross said to her
20:27at breakfast that morning
20:28like mum
20:29sort yourself out
20:30kind of thing
20:30but with this
20:32it was in front of someone
20:33and she was kind of like
20:34maybe go round to the group
20:35kind of giving her advice
20:37why are you giving
20:37another player advice
20:39at this point
20:39it was also with
20:40DCI Amanda
20:41yeah
20:42because I thought
20:45if I was Amanda
20:46and Amanda's not
20:47the secret traitor
20:48I was a thought
20:49Roxy are you the traitor
20:50because that's quite
20:50it's quite a weird thing
20:52to just say to someone
20:52you've met
20:53yeah
20:53like 24 hours ago
20:55kind of thing
20:55yeah
20:56they're goners aren't they
20:57yeah
20:57tomorrow they're going
20:59to come into breakfast
21:00and Judy's going to be
21:01cutting up Roxy's food for her
21:02thanks mum
21:04here comes the aeroplane
21:06I didn't like them
21:09when they were
21:09accusing Judy
21:10because you instantly
21:12really like her
21:12and the fact that
21:13she's got a daughter
21:14and the job she does
21:16and stuff
21:16you feel quite protective
21:18so then
21:18I mean it would be
21:20a clever twist
21:20if someone so sweet
21:22is a secret
21:23and also
21:23it would be an interesting twist
21:25because she has
21:25a daughter in there
21:26yes
21:27and again
21:28like I just think
21:29this secret traitor
21:29is just so mysterious
21:30that it being someone's mum
21:32is well on top of it
21:33it's like
21:33bam bam bam
21:34I hope it's Judy
21:35it would be good
21:37but
21:37not if they're going
21:38to get her out
21:39no no
21:39no
21:39she needs to stay
21:40to the end
21:41now
21:41the other major thing
21:43that happened
21:43in this episode
21:44for me
21:44was Nettie and Ross
21:45happened to know each other
21:46outside of the game
21:47poor old Ross
21:47Ross was human
21:49he did not want
21:49that bomb dropped
21:50did he
21:50no he didn't
21:50and this
21:51I mean this
21:51appears to be
21:52a genuine
21:53complete coincidence
21:54that they just
21:55happened to have met
21:55beforehand
21:56it's a long time ago
21:57as well
21:57it's not like a recent
21:58no
21:59and Nettie's like
22:00Nettie just runs
22:01like oh my god
22:02it's you
22:02and Ross is like
22:03whoa
22:03he's like whoa
22:04no
22:05please
22:05I'm convinced
22:07that they're actually
22:08like brother and sister
22:10or like they're married
22:11because
22:11I don't know
22:12she was just
22:13he was like
22:14I think he said to her
22:16let's pretend we don't
22:17know each other
22:17and she wasn't listening
22:19so then she's just like
22:21forgot that they're supposed
22:22to not know each other
22:23and then she's done that
22:24and now he's like
22:25yeah we haven't known each
22:25we haven't seen her
22:26in 10 years
22:27and it's like
22:27you've seen her last night
22:28so it's just a bit like
22:29it's just like yes and
22:30it's just imp
22:31right let's just do whatever
22:32I think it is genuinely
22:34just the case
22:34me too
22:34and she's made the decision
22:36in that second
22:37she's not thought about it
22:38and she said oh
22:39hello
22:40we know each other
22:41whereas he's obviously
22:42had that extra thought
22:43of going this will not
22:44help us in the game
22:45well it didn't
22:46because they both
22:47had their names
22:48he did
22:49did she as well
22:50she did
22:50I think everyone's
22:52thinking what I'm thinking
22:53is there more to this
22:54than what they're saying
22:55second guessing everything
22:57I do think if
22:58people come to believe
23:00Nettie
23:00then I feel like
23:01that that was genuine
23:03yeah
23:04then maybe they'll believe
23:05that she's a faithful
23:06because clearly
23:07she's not someone
23:07who's playing any kind of game
23:08or like a poker situation
23:09and has just gone
23:10oh yeah
23:11and then maybe afterwards
23:12they'll be like
23:12oh I shouldn't have said that
23:13yeah
23:14but it's therefore
23:15trustworthy
23:16yeah
23:16well it was a jam-packed episode
23:19but we can't move on
23:20until we've talked about
23:21the massive first mission
23:22the coffins in the lake
23:24but it wasn't as simple
23:26as it seemed
23:26because true traitors fashion
23:28there was an extra layer
23:29of savagery
23:29whoever had a coffin
23:32with the gold symbol
23:33put into their grave
23:34that meant that they
23:36were up for murder
23:36everyone who didn't have
23:37the coffin put in
23:38technically had a shield
23:39at that point
23:40pretty brutal
23:41how do we think
23:42tactics played into this
23:44one of the groups
23:45said that they were just
23:46going for the first names
23:48that they saw
23:49which I think
23:50this early on in the game
23:52that's probably what
23:52you're best doing
23:53when you start to
23:54put people's names
23:56down for basically murder
23:58it's kind of like
23:59you're saying they're a traitor
24:00or you don't trust them
24:01or
24:01and then that's going to
24:03cause people to think
24:04well why did you pick my name
24:05I'd be upset
24:06if I was a faithful
24:07and my name
24:07was one of those ten names
24:09I'd be really upset
24:10particularly if it was
24:11anything other than
24:12just at random
24:12yeah
24:12whereas if it's random
24:14then you're like
24:14fair enough
24:15it's the first name
24:16whatever
24:16cause they were all
24:17claiming random
24:18weren't they
24:18they were like
24:18just put it in
24:19the closest one
24:20there was a little bit
24:21that one team
24:22said that they had
24:23two people
24:23that they thought
24:24were maybe traitors
24:26therefore don't bother
24:27wasting it on that
24:29and then that's
24:30poor old Fiona's downfall
24:31when she got the wrong
24:32end of the ore
24:32but I'd also be upset
24:34if that was me
24:35and they'd just
24:36taken away my opportunity
24:37to have a shield
24:38I'd be like
24:38agreed
24:39yeah
24:39you're gonna remember
24:41that as well aren't you
24:42it's so difficult to know
24:43whether you should
24:45put the coffin in
24:45if you suspect someone
24:46of being a traitor
24:47or you should absolutely
24:48not put the coffin in
24:49and even if you do
24:50think those things
24:50nobody wants to put
24:51stick their neck out
24:53so early on
24:53yeah
24:54I think doing the first thing
24:55yeah
24:56you see is the easiest
24:57thing to do
24:57cause there's very little
24:58gameplay
24:59I think I'm just
24:59at the back of the coffin
25:00I'm holding on to it
25:01totally
25:01keeping quiet
25:02yeah
25:03okay where do you want me
25:04to put it
25:04yeah
25:05with the new twist
25:06of the secret traitor
25:07Molly what do you think
25:09people should be looking out
25:10for on the missions
25:10in terms of suspicions
25:13the missions are gonna be
25:14a good time
25:15for the traitors
25:16to look for the secret traitor
25:17I guess
25:18but
25:19anyone who's just wearing
25:20a bit of red maybe
25:21a red cloak would do it
25:23wouldn't it really
25:23that would help I think
25:25would help me
25:26just for that
25:27the thing is the only person
25:28in there who would
25:29I think have red trousers
25:30would be Hugo
25:31and we know he's a traitor already
25:32I think
25:33the thing that
25:35people could pick up on
25:37about the secret traitor
25:38if they're a traitor
25:39is kind of anyone
25:40trying to maybe
25:40throw them under the bus
25:41and kind of give clues
25:43especially when it gets
25:44a bit deeper into the game
25:45and they need to find a traitor
25:47because it does get to that point
25:48where the faithfuls
25:49need to find a traitor
25:49because
25:50someone needs to go
25:52yeah
25:52so I think when it gets
25:53to that point
25:54and they're doing missions
25:55or even just day to day
25:56seeing who's trying to
25:58like throw you under the bus
25:59maybe might be a good way
26:00to pick them out
26:01and obviously
26:01we're narrowing it down now
26:03with like
26:04who they can murder
26:05and things like that
26:06but yeah
26:06maybe something like that
26:08could help them
26:08so who do we think
26:09is going to be
26:10the first murdered player
26:11obviously the traitors
26:12are working
26:13from the shortlist
26:14of James, Nettie and Maz
26:17so it's going to be
26:18one of those three
26:18oh not Maz
26:20no not Maz
26:21Maz is a sweetheart
26:21isn't he
26:22oh he is
26:22but I don't think
26:24it'll be James
26:24because I think
26:25he's been too vocal so far
26:26yeah
26:27therefore the traitors
26:28could do with keeping him in
26:29because he's going to be
26:30one of the hot suspects
26:31so I feel like
26:32maybe Nettie
26:33considering the connection
26:34to Ross
26:36but then do you not think
26:36there's suspicion
26:37on Nettie
26:38because of that connection
26:39right
26:40yeah
26:40Maz
26:40I fear that it's going to be Maz
26:42and I don't want it to be
26:44he needs to practice
26:45his Cobra mark
26:46yeah
26:47he wasn't quite there with it
26:49yeah
26:50and he's not going to have time
26:51no
26:52yeah
26:52I think because
26:53James has been throwing out
26:55accusations
26:55yeah
26:56so the traitors
26:57would be silly
26:58to get rid of him
26:58because he will get himself
27:00banished
27:00yeah
27:00that's what I think
27:01Nettie
27:02is potentially looking
27:04shifty with the Ross
27:05connection
27:06and then that leaves Maz
27:07I don't want Maz to go
27:08and I'll be devastated
27:10if it is him
27:11it's funny how you instantly
27:12like some people
27:13they're just
27:14you know
27:14not that they're not all kind
27:16but some people just radiate
27:17really kind face
27:18there's a lot of
27:19there's a lot of very warm players
27:21this time
27:21yeah
27:22I think Maz
27:23and Ross as well
27:25just really come through the screen
27:27yeah
27:27definitely
27:27I sort of love them already
27:29when Maz said he had five kids
27:30we all went
27:30oh
27:31yeah we did
27:32nice guys finish last
27:33they say
27:34oh
27:35I hope not
27:36well we've run out of time here
27:38but if you can't get enough
27:40the chat will continue
27:41on BBC Sounds
27:42we're going to discuss
27:43what jobs and life experience
27:44make for the best
27:45Traitors and Faithful
27:46plus I'll be getting predictions
27:48from Lucy, Mina, Molly and Jack
27:50on whether they think
27:51the Traitors or the Faithful
27:52are going to win this series
27:53it's all in the bonus episode
27:55of Uncloaked
27:56in your BBC Sounds app
27:57right now
27:58find that in your app store
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28:01on screen
28:02we'll be back again
28:03after episode 2
28:04of the Traitors
28:05and this time
28:06on BBC One
28:07for the rest of the series
28:08we'll have the first
28:09murdered player
28:10and if anyone's banished
28:11they'll be here too
28:12plus some special guests
28:13including Joe Marler
28:15to unpack everything
28:16from the first few days
28:17at the castle
28:17a massive thanks
28:19to Lucy, Mina, Molly and Jack
28:20for joining me
28:21and thanks to you
28:22for watching as well
28:23I'm Ed Gamble
28:24stay faithful
28:25Don't know about you
28:29I'm loving it already
28:30Unconventional and unpredictable
28:32Faithful Hyundai
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28:34will see you now
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28:36on BBC Sounds
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