"Vamos provar que estão errados", ministro da Economia espanhol responde aos EUA

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"Vamos provar que estão errados", ministro da Economia espanhol responde aos EUA

O ministro da Economia espanhol afirma que os europeus devem permanecer unidos e concentrar-se na integração, depois da administração Trump ter afirmado que a economia do continente está a sufocar devido a uma regulamentação excessiva e a uma liderança fraca.

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01:32Nós temos que realmente enactar todas essas políticas e começar a mudar.

01:35Eu acho que é a própria reação para todas essas declarações.

01:38Nós temos que continuar a mudar.

01:39Tem uma pergunta permeada em Brasília que diz que isso não tem a ver com segurança nacional,

01:43não tem a diferença política, e o objetivo dessa administração é desmantar a União de dentro.

01:49É isso uma criação credível?

01:50Bem, eu acho que os europeus são muito bem conscientes da importância da unidade dentro da União

01:55e de como a União Europeia protege.

01:58E eu acho que, desde a perspectiva da União Europeia, não há nenhum caso em termos de pensar em qualquer outro cenário,

02:05mas em termos de integração, de integração em seguida dentro da União Europeia.

02:09Nós vimos que este ano, esse assunto de unanimidade está se tornando um problema real na União Europeia.

02:15É a unanimidade que o União Europeia está matando a União Europeia de dentro?

02:17É uma real threat?

02:18Bem, eu acho que estamos tentando encontrar maneiras sobre decisões importantes como o financiamento para a União Europeia

02:24para evitar o bloqueio desse apoio.

02:27E nós vamos encontrar, eu acho que nas próximas semanas, nós vamos encontrar maneiras para...

02:31Você acha que os assuntos vão acontecer?

02:33Eu acho que, no final, nós vamos conseguir garantir o financiamento para a União Europeia,

02:38que é o mais importante elemento neste momento,

02:40porque tem a ver com a segurança da União Europeia, mas também com a segurança da União Europeia.

02:44Mas você está dizendo com o financiamento, você não está dizendo com o repararão.

02:46Então, talvez não é um repararão, mas é algo mais.

02:49O Belgians continuam a dizer que não gostam disso.

02:51Você sabe que estamos trabalhando para poder ir com o repararão.

02:55Com o banco do Spanish, nós estamos pressionando também.

02:57Nós pensamos que há espaço para ir com o caminho, tanto legal e politicamente.

03:01Nós vamos ter que, novamente, ir com os colegas, com os outros membros da União Europeia,

03:07e ver com o quanto, novamente, nós podemos fazer isso nos próximos meses.

03:10Ok, e nós vamos falar sobre a União Europeia.

03:12Vamos ver com a realidade que passou a um revoção entre o Coro e o South.

03:15Como sustentável, o quê que diz que é, é um aumento de 3% de crescimento de crescimento para este país?

03:19Bem, não é apenas uma coincidence para a história.

03:21É agora uma mudança do internacional na União Europeia,

03:25e como nós estamos sendo conseguindo elevar nosso potencial de crescimento de crescimento de crescimento,

03:28que é a clata para a sustentabilidade do nosso milagreio público também,

03:31então, não apenas para poder sair da União Europeia sem as ciências,

03:35mas para modernizar nossa economia.

03:38É a verdadeira história de fome, que é a história na verdade?

03:40Quanto tempo você pode continuar com o tempo, não?

03:41So what we're aiming at is a potential GDP growth of around 2%,

03:46which is doubling pretty much what we had pre-COVID.

03:48So that's essential. That's key for us.

03:50You know very well, however, your critics would say there is no structural story.

03:54It's European money and a boom in tourism.

03:56What do you respond to that?

03:58Well, there are many signals to actually look at where you can see this structural change.

04:02For example, you talked about tourism.

04:04But what we have now in Spain is a boom in non-tourism services,

04:07which are higher value-added services.

04:09Actually, we export more, despite of being in record years in tourism,

04:14we export more in non-tourism services, which are IT, financial, accounting services, than in tourism.

04:20So the jobs are going to basically high-end sectors, innovation.

04:26Spain is the third fastest growing country in terms of its startup ecosystem for the past three years.

04:31So that's all these indicators really pointing towards a structural change.

04:34But the funding from the European Union, obviously after the pandemic,

04:37played a big role in the economy.

04:39You also can see that the funding, the Next Generation EU,

04:44which is a program built around it, will end next year, in 2026.

04:48What impact is this going to have in Spain?

04:49So we have a fully-fledged structural reform agenda, labor market, business environment,

04:54startup law that are creating the conditions also for this growth to be sustained going forward.

04:59And then on the investment side, a strong investment push, $80 billion in transfers for Spain,

05:04so that we could actually really put the stress on those areas that we think are sectors of the future,

05:10including the digitization and the green, of course, energy, which are the key vectors for Spain also going forward.

05:16So you're not concerned this funding is no longer there and that's going to have a negative impact on you?

05:20Well, you know, there are two elements here.

05:22So one is we will be discussing the medium-term financial framework for the EU,

05:26and that will start actually in December in the European Council as well.

05:29And we think that there is need for Europe to be somehow forward-looking and ambitious in terms of the size of its budget.

05:38You know very well that Draghi has been putting on the table financing needs for our investments that are above 5% of GDP,

05:46and our budget barely reaches 2%, and that's including all different items.

05:50So we need to somehow be consistent on both fronts.

05:53We will be fighting for an ambitious MFF.

05:56You also call for joint debt.

05:58And of course, and there are many elements associated with the element of mutualization or joint issuance of debt.

06:05One of them is to reinforce, of course, the euro as a strong currency going forward,

06:11because what we've seen is that we need a liquid market in terms of euro-denominated debt,

06:16and that will come again as well from further mutualizing debt or from further issue.

06:22And just to end this chapter before we move on, on the Spanish economy in particular,

06:27there's the numbers which objectively are very good, but there's also the politics.

06:30At the start of the year, I remember you told me, we will have a budget.

06:33We are going to present and it's going to be successful.

06:35It's the end of the year.

06:36There's no budget.

06:37You've been rolling over constantly now.

06:38Now, your critics would say this is not just wrong, but it's undemocratic.

06:43Well, you know, we are now in the process of really putting forward the draft budget.

06:47But we've heard this before many times.

06:49I know.

06:50There is a specific, a clear commitment from the president to actually, beginning of next year,

06:55really present the draft budget in Congress so that we can discuss it and hopefully agree on it.

07:00But, you know, also, luckily, what we have in Spain is these provisions within our law

07:05to be able to roll over the budget from one year to the other.

07:09And that actually...

07:10But a rollover is an exemption.

07:11The criticism is that this is becoming too normal and that is not very democratic.

07:15What do you respond?

07:16The constitutional obligation is to present a draft.

07:18We will present a draft.

07:19And from then on, hopefully, we can agree on it because it's important for citizens

07:23to be able to see what the policy objectives are in terms of money,

07:27in terms of where we allocate, what items are prioritized throughout the budget.

07:32In fiscal terms, we're complying also with EU fiscal rules.

07:34So we are within the group of good pupils with good students in terms of fiscal

07:39and also macro imbalances.

07:41That's just as...

07:41But you know it's rare to not have a budget for so many years.

07:43We know it's an exception, as you just called it.

07:46And we will try, again, to have it approved.

07:48We will present it and we will go ahead with our partners and associates

07:53within the parliament to be able to get it ready.

07:56But you're also different to the rest when it comes to migration.

07:59In the European Union, we've seen now a much harder line.

08:02Obviously, there's a conservative majority now that is pushing for repatriation,

08:07asylum-seeking has to be monitored much more closely, family ramification.

08:11It's the same in Spain, however.

08:12We're seeing the numbers when it comes to migration growing.

08:15But you say that it's adding to the economy.

08:17Is migration for you an opportunity or a problem?

08:20Migration is a big opportunity for Spain.

08:23You don't think it's a problem?

08:24Oh, to the contrary.

08:26I mean, migration has proven to be a very positive factor

08:29for these very positive figures in terms of growth for Spain.

08:32And you can look at them in absolute terms,

08:35so how much it has contributed to growth,

08:36how much it has contributed to growth in per capita terms as well.

08:40There is an analysis from the Bank of Spain saying that

08:42between 0.4 and 0.7 percentage points of per capita growth

08:46for the past three years, which per capita growth in total

08:48was around three percentage points, 0.4 to 0.7 were due to migration,

08:52were thanks to migration.

08:53But some argue it's because the vast majority of migrants coming to Spain

08:57are coming from Latin America,

08:58so there's a cultural, linguistical also to common ground.

09:03Some would say there are some cultures

09:06that are more difficult to assimilate than others,

09:08and that is a problem.

09:09When you hear that, is there an undertone of racism in it?

09:12Well, there is.

09:13You think the migration policy coming out of the European Union

09:16has an undertone of racism?

09:17No, I think those sort of statements have an undertone of racism,

09:21and I think we should really combat that through data and through evidence.

09:25And, you know, what those statements or what that evidence tells to me

09:30is that the better the integration policies,

09:34the greater the positive impact.

09:35The focus is on returns in Europe.

09:37Is the migration policy wrong now, this term?

09:39You know, from the Spanish perspective,

09:41that's somehow the best way for us to be able to understand

09:44or put these discussions forward.

09:47What we know is that the bigger the effort

09:50in terms of integrating migrants through regular flows,

09:54the bigger the impact in social but also in economic terms.

09:57And irregular, is there a second chance,

09:59or is this just a question of returning people back to their country?

10:02That's what was agreed this week.

10:03You know, when we think about the Spanish case,

10:06you mentioned, for example, people from Latin America.

10:0870% of the migration flows are coming to Spain from Latin America.

10:12But, you know, when you ask people,

10:14there is a disconnect between the data and the reality

10:16in terms of migration,

10:17and that leads immediately towards a more negative bias

10:21in terms of accepting positive migration policies

10:24or integration policies.

10:25And let me just give you the data.

10:27So this survey, which was run last May

10:30by a think tank in the Basque country,

10:33was asking Spanish people

10:34what they thought was the share of migrants in Spain.

10:37So the answer was twice the actual share of migrants.

10:41And they were asking,

10:42what do you think the unemployment rate

10:43within the migrant force is?

10:45And the answer, again,

10:47was twice the actual unemployment rate.

10:49And then the third question,

10:50which was very interesting,

10:51was what do you think is the share of migrants

10:53that is using transfers or subsidies or benefits

10:56from the states from the state?

10:58And the answer was five times the actual rate.

11:00So, again, there is a clear disconnect

11:03between the reality.

11:04Why is that happening?

11:05Well, I think one of the elements that is happening

11:09is, of course, is this false narratives

11:12and this fake news in terms of the impact of migration

11:15that are leading towards a negative bias.

11:17And that's not grounded in data.

11:19There are no negative implications to migration for you.

11:22Well, again, you just have to look at the figures.

11:24And in our case,

11:25when you look at the impact of migration,

11:27of course, there are challenges going forward.

11:29And the integration challenge is a key one.

11:31But you face that challenge

11:33by really betting on integration

11:35and development policies in origin countries

11:38to allow for those people

11:40to have job opportunities in their own countries

11:43and, therefore, also reduce the danger

11:46that they have to endure

11:47in coming to our countries in an irregular manner

11:50and also reduce these irregular flows.

11:52Well, Minister, thank you so much

11:53for joining us on Uranus.

11:54My pleasure.

11:55Thank you.

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