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Apologies for the delay in getting this uploaded and for the unexpected way of recording it and arriving 25 minutes late (location mix-up, columbus event centre).
I did provide feedback once the recording part ended, and I didn't get the time to do any editing since I had to take care of other tasks. Sorry about the quality.
Some guy was clearly unhinged and wanted marlee to be widened to FOUR lanes and to get rid of the sidewalks altogether. He stormed out before it was over.
Had I known this wasn't a drop-in thing (the website wasn't clear about it), I would have brought the camera and tripod.
I did provide feedback once the recording part ended, and I didn't get the time to do any editing since I had to take care of other tasks. Sorry about the quality.
Some guy was clearly unhinged and wanted marlee to be widened to FOUR lanes and to get rid of the sidewalks altogether. He stormed out before it was over.
Had I known this wasn't a drop-in thing (the website wasn't clear about it), I would have brought the camera and tripod.
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00:00:00You need to continue getting to the places you need to be.
00:00:02You need to be comfortable and safe in your favorite parks and trails.
00:00:07You need to take your loved ones to appointments and pick up groceries.
00:00:11We want people to know that moving to Marley-Lent Cairn,
00:00:15you'll have the choice of not only low-rise or high-rise, but options in between.
00:00:19This is at the core of our thinking and how we're approaching this study.
00:00:23We know we cannot manufacture a place, but we can provide a framework
00:00:27for the community and people to thrive.
00:00:30And we want you to be able to create those moments that only a healthy community can create.
00:00:34We know that Marley-Lent Cairn can be a fantastic place to live in the world.
00:00:38We're going to talk about how we can make that happen.
00:00:45A vibrant community with access to daily needs.
00:00:48We want to, again, we want to enhance the main pedestrian origin character of Marley Avenue.
00:00:53This is an image just representing how we want to bring that life and vibrancy to Marley Ave.
00:01:00through a mixed-use scenario.
00:01:04We want it to be a vibrant, mixed-use corridor that's dynamic and that can take shape over time.
00:01:11We want to improve pedestrian access to Marley Avenue through things like,
00:01:16and comfort through things like water, sidewalk, street tree planting, street furnishings,
00:01:20safer, and safer crossings for pedestrians.
00:01:26We want to allow for Marley to support institutional uses, offices, and other job-generating uses.
00:01:32Our public realm principles have guided us in assessing, improving, and improving the public realm in Marley-Lent Cairn.
00:01:43And let's talk about how we can accomplish that.
00:01:44Here's our first look at the enhanced public realm plan for Marley-Lent Cairn.
00:01:57This is auction one.
00:01:58We want to look to expand and enhance existing parks through on- or off-site parkland dedication.
00:02:05Meaning that developers who are developing here will contribute to the enhancement or the expansion of the public realm.
00:02:11And what the pink arrows are pointing at with the diagonal cross-hatch pattern are areas that we could potentially expand parks.
00:02:27Shifting to auction two, which we'll talk a little bit more about shortly,
00:02:33will be a slightly denser auction, meaning that there will be potentially more opportunity for parkland.
00:02:38So the pink arrows now are pointing to additional areas of potential parkland expansion
00:02:43that are above and beyond what was shown at option one.
00:02:54We want to support a variety of activities and programming and play in the public realm.
00:02:59Some examples include community and vets, celebrating local culture and traditions.
00:03:05We have that here, Rich.
00:03:13And I think everybody will hear what we're doing.
00:03:22But do you want to do the apartment, the accurate role that is directed and budget movements are?
00:03:31I suppose you're supposed to work to park this place with very little increase in size or space.
00:03:38I did see a lot of high effects
00:03:41being developed, right?
00:03:44I think most people that live this
00:03:46believe in the property
00:03:47because it's frustrating
00:03:48that it's not a word
00:03:56about the actual infrastructure
00:03:57of this day.
00:03:59If you spend half an hour
00:04:01in this area,
00:04:03at any point in time,
00:04:04you can't get
00:04:06a roof chair.
00:04:06So we need to watch it
00:04:08with a lot of power.
00:04:10That's right.
00:04:10Privileged.
00:04:14I know one of the things
00:04:16that you need to pick
00:04:17the proof there
00:04:19is going to have
00:04:20the cost of Lawrence
00:04:22and Allen did make it.
00:04:23The only way to put it
00:04:25with a family did
00:04:26and Allen did make it.
00:04:28You spent a few years
00:04:30in the world
00:04:30that Lawrence talked
00:04:32about how long
00:04:34and I don't see anything
00:04:35to publish it
00:04:36except Bruce Heiser.
00:04:37I know.
00:04:38I want to wait.
00:04:42So I'm ready.
00:04:45I'm in real estate.
00:04:47I understand development.
00:04:48I understand this amazing.
00:04:50We don't need to hear
00:04:51about Francis.
00:04:52We get it.
00:04:53What we want to know
00:04:55is how are we going to fix
00:04:56what's here
00:04:57because what's here
00:04:58is the best
00:04:59and if you're just going
00:05:00to add density to it,
00:05:02all you're going to do
00:05:03is look at this area
00:05:04and make it a million times
00:05:05because you don't care.
00:05:07You don't care.
00:05:07You don't care.
00:05:07You don't care.
00:05:08You don't care.
00:05:14Seems they don't want
00:05:15nothing to change.
00:05:18They want to treat it
00:05:19like a highway.
00:05:30And we do want to hear more
00:05:32from you.
00:05:32No, but I'm confused.
00:05:35I can't stand the mic
00:05:37and this is a fluff
00:05:39about the potential development
00:05:41and how we want
00:05:41to enhance the neighborhood.
00:05:43If you want to enhance
00:05:44the neighborhood,
00:05:45start with the infrastructure.
00:05:47Fix the app.
00:05:48Fix the app.
00:05:49Wipe the streets.
00:05:50Make it so that we can move
00:05:52and when we can move,
00:05:54we'll be open to development.
00:05:56Yeah.
00:05:57Well done.
00:06:03And recognizing
00:06:04I'm also a local resident
00:06:06so I'm exactly now.
00:06:10So let us finish through.
00:06:16Some of the marking
00:06:18will be also relevant.
00:06:20The parks,
00:06:21the mobility is coming
00:06:23and they end up
00:06:24so we'll walk you through.
00:06:27The streets
00:06:29that have
00:06:30all the attention
00:06:31the parks,
00:06:33the areas.
00:06:34I don't know
00:06:34that the city's sitting
00:06:35on section 37 funds
00:06:37because they keep
00:06:38allowing developers
00:06:39to put up towers
00:06:40where there's going
00:06:41to be allocated green space.
00:06:43If you see the one,
00:06:44then section 37
00:06:45will put up parks
00:06:47and those have to get there.
00:06:49Last time I checked
00:06:50and checked,
00:06:50we're sitting
00:06:50on half a billion dollars
00:06:52for the funds
00:06:52that we're supposed
00:06:53to put up parks
00:06:54that never got
00:06:55covered in green space.
00:06:57So you can't
00:06:57repeat from the development.
00:06:59Once you give them
00:07:00a green light,
00:07:01we will outfit the city
00:07:03on land
00:07:03every single time.
00:07:05And you will never
00:07:06add a park
00:07:06and you will never
00:07:07add a green space.
00:07:09You're going to walk
00:07:09and give us
00:07:10an extra penny on a car.
00:07:12That's why
00:07:13we're giving
00:07:14another $15,000.
00:07:15That's why
00:07:16any of the whites
00:07:17is going to be
00:07:18$15,000.
00:07:18You know how
00:07:20we say
00:07:20fix the city wars,
00:07:21fix warrants
00:07:23and how
00:07:23it doesn't make
00:07:24the people of God
00:07:25it weren't any worse.
00:07:26I don't know how
00:07:27I can't do that.
00:07:28You have to do my job
00:07:29and you have to do my job
00:07:29and you have to do my job.
00:07:31And that's part of this study.
00:07:33If you want to do
00:07:33community support,
00:07:35fix the issues
00:07:36that exist
00:07:36and end them.
00:07:38That's part of this study.
00:07:39Let us continue
00:07:44and present
00:07:45that component.
00:07:46Now,
00:07:47the table discussions
00:07:48will really get
00:07:49into further
00:07:51the planning
00:07:52and the facing
00:07:53of the superman
00:07:54certificates
00:07:55from civil
00:07:56and municipal.
00:07:59Yeah.
00:08:04No, you can't ask questions.
00:08:07You can't ask questions.
00:08:08If you have the park here,
00:08:10I'll ask you now
00:08:11to do both
00:08:11before I do the day
00:08:12and we recorded this
00:08:13over the day
00:08:14and I think you
00:08:15get a chance to see it.
00:08:16I went to the back
00:08:17and I see the whole staff.
00:08:18Which park?
00:08:19The park transition.
00:08:21The north transition
00:08:22to the park bar
00:08:23and when to the park,
00:08:25all the houses
00:08:25with back roads
00:08:26to the park
00:08:27are all just clapped off.
00:08:29You have something
00:08:29that's why
00:08:30it's all about
00:08:30when you send the park.
00:08:33All the places.
00:08:34There is
00:08:35that whole strategy
00:08:36for that
00:08:37and we can walk you
00:08:38through that.
00:08:40Well,
00:08:41let me just try to do it.
00:08:43So,
00:08:44let's bring you
00:08:53off to speed
00:08:53to all the information
00:08:54and then we can
00:08:55have the conversations.
00:08:57So,
00:08:58it's just a little bit more
00:08:59and we will be
00:09:00wrapping up
00:09:01the presentation
00:09:02and then we can
00:09:03have the discussion.
00:09:05And I get you
00:09:06but there is
00:09:07some things
00:09:07that we have to
00:09:08get through
00:09:09whether we like it
00:09:10or not.
00:09:11Nobody needs to see you.
00:09:12I agree.
00:09:14Okay.
00:09:15Okay.
00:09:17Okay.
00:09:22We appreciate
00:09:23the opportunity
00:09:23to get everyone
00:09:24on the same page
00:09:25before we continue
00:09:25the discussion.
00:09:29We do want
00:09:30to create continuity
00:09:31and connectivity
00:09:32by filling gaps
00:09:33in the pedestrian
00:09:34and the cycling network
00:09:35such as the Bell Line
00:09:36and the Allen Greenway.
00:09:37We want to connect
00:09:38pedestrians
00:09:38through not only
00:09:39well-designed streets
00:09:40but also through
00:09:40mid-block connections.
00:09:42We want to look at ways
00:09:43to make the streets
00:09:44more pedestrian oriented.
00:09:47Here's a look
00:09:48at option two.
00:09:49Some potential
00:09:50differences here
00:09:51at Del Park Avenue.
00:09:52More and more
00:09:54extensive mid-block
00:09:54connection
00:09:55through the highest
00:09:56density area
00:09:56between Roseberry Square
00:09:57Apartments
00:09:59up to Glantairn Avenue
00:10:00and pedestrian access
00:10:01to Benner Park
00:10:02from Marley
00:10:03along Wilmer Trusson.
00:10:07And here's a look
00:10:08at the primary
00:10:09and streetscape
00:10:11improvements
00:10:11overlaid on that
00:10:12that we talked about.
00:10:16And here's option two.
00:10:18View Mountain Avenue
00:10:18becomes a key
00:10:19east-west connection
00:10:20due to greater
00:10:20proposed density
00:10:21in the area
00:10:22east of Allen Road.
00:10:24Sure Mountain Avenue
00:10:24becomes a key
00:10:25north-west connection
00:10:26and weatherly drive
00:10:27is proposed
00:10:28for streetscape
00:10:29improvements
00:10:29to improve
00:10:30connectivity
00:10:30to Marley Avenue.
00:10:36Our mobility
00:10:37principles
00:10:37were developed
00:10:38in phase one
00:10:38and have guided
00:10:39development
00:10:40of the options
00:10:40from a mobility
00:10:41perspective.
00:10:44Our mobility plan
00:10:45for option one
00:10:46focuses on
00:10:47circulating people
00:10:47through the community
00:10:48efficiently.
00:10:49particularly
00:10:51we want to make
00:10:52sure people
00:10:52have easy access
00:10:53to Marley Avenue
00:10:54and to parks
00:10:55and open spaces.
00:10:56In yellow
00:10:57we're showing
00:10:57where cycling routes
00:10:58could potentially appear
00:10:59which we need
00:11:00your feedback on.
00:11:02We're making
00:11:02improvements
00:11:03to pedestrian
00:11:04and cyclist
00:11:04circulation.
00:11:06We're improving
00:11:06pedestrian safety
00:11:07controls
00:11:10and other
00:11:10safety improvements.
00:11:11Get the scooters
00:11:12off the road.
00:11:14Key differences
00:11:15in option two
00:11:16include a potential
00:11:17new subway access
00:11:18to Lawrence West
00:11:18Station on Del Park
00:11:19Ave
00:11:19and a mobility hub
00:11:21that services
00:11:21packed areas
00:11:22west and east
00:11:23of the Allen
00:11:24equally.
00:11:27The near-turn
00:11:28implementation
00:11:29of the Beltline
00:11:31Gap Connection.
00:11:32The cycling network
00:11:33plan and implementation
00:11:35includes
00:11:36Marley Avenue
00:11:37from Castlefield
00:11:39Avenue to
00:11:39Roselawn Avenue
00:11:40which is a cycle
00:11:41track
00:11:41and from Roselawn
00:11:42Avenue to
00:11:43Eglinton Avenue
00:11:43a bi-directional
00:11:46cycle track.
00:11:48Roselawn Avenue
00:11:49and Elmeridge Drive
00:11:50from Allen
00:11:51Greenway to
00:11:52Marley Avenue
00:11:53which is a
00:11:53bi-directional
00:11:54cycle track
00:11:55and multi-use trail.
00:11:56Allen Greenway
00:11:57from Elmeridge Drive
00:11:58to Wembley Road
00:11:59a multi-use trail.
00:12:00and major upgrades
00:12:02of the existing
00:12:02dedicated cycling
00:12:04lands on Marley
00:12:05Avenue
00:12:05from Roselawn
00:12:06Avenue
00:12:06to Lawrence
00:12:08Avenue West.
00:12:10The cycling network
00:12:11plan identifies
00:12:12Marley Avenue
00:12:13Eglinton Avenue
00:12:13West
00:12:14and Lawrence
00:12:14Avenue West
00:12:15as major citywide
00:12:16cycling routes.
00:12:21As directed by
00:12:22City Council
00:12:22this project
00:12:24is on hold.
00:12:26CIP
00:12:27is on hold
00:12:28for now
00:12:29and our current
00:12:29Marley Glencairn
00:12:30study is supporting
00:12:31it by helping
00:12:32to identify
00:12:33the larger
00:12:34mobility network.
00:12:39Some of the
00:12:39key findings
00:12:40to date
00:12:40are that we're
00:12:43improving access
00:12:43to local
00:12:44destinations
00:12:45providing connection
00:12:47to the broader
00:12:47cycling network
00:12:48areas
00:12:49route planning
00:12:50options have
00:12:51been explored
00:12:51and Marley Avenue
00:12:53and Beltline
00:12:53connection will be
00:12:54vital to providing
00:12:55local and broader
00:12:55access to and
00:12:56from the study
00:12:57area.
00:13:01Principle 4
00:13:01has assisted us
00:13:03in developing
00:13:04our land use
00:13:04and built form
00:13:05plans.
00:13:09What are land uses?
00:13:10There are a variety
00:13:10of land use categories
00:13:11that find in the
00:13:12initial plan
00:13:13for mixed use
00:13:14areas,
00:13:15employment areas,
00:13:17and natural areas
00:13:18such as parks
00:13:19and more.
00:13:20They define how
00:13:20land can be developed
00:13:21and planned
00:13:21in a neighborhood.
00:13:23Planners assign
00:13:24these land uses
00:13:24to neighborhoods
00:13:25so that they can
00:13:26function as
00:13:27complete communities
00:13:27with a mix of uses.
00:13:31Here's a look at
00:13:32the land uses
00:13:32for options
00:13:34one and two.
00:13:37The built form
00:13:38plans are coming up
00:13:38and that's where
00:13:39you'll be able to see
00:13:40more of them
00:13:40growing there
00:13:41and how high they are.
00:13:42mixed use areas
00:13:47support a vibrant mix
00:13:48of residential,
00:13:49commercial,
00:13:49and institutional
00:13:50uses often located
00:13:51along key corners
00:13:52and near transit
00:13:53nodes.
00:13:54And this is what
00:13:54you'll see proposed
00:13:55on Marley
00:13:55and both options.
00:13:58Apartment neighborhoods
00:13:58are residential areas
00:14:00composed of apartment
00:14:02buildings with
00:14:02opportunities for
00:14:03sensitive infill.
00:14:05Core employment areas
00:14:06are designated
00:14:06for industrial,
00:14:08commercial,
00:14:08and offers uses
00:14:09to support job growth
00:14:10and economic activities.
00:14:14Here's a look at some
00:14:15of the built form heights
00:14:16that we're proposing.
00:14:17From 45 to 35 to 25
00:14:20as high rise
00:14:21and mid rise
00:14:229 to 10,
00:14:236 and 4.
00:14:25In leveraging
00:14:27a mix of building
00:14:27ice density and forms
00:14:29is needed
00:14:30to accommodate
00:14:31density requirements,
00:14:33provide a diverse
00:14:35housing options
00:14:36and create a varied
00:14:38and interesting
00:14:39urban pattern.
00:14:43In organizing
00:14:44all this density,
00:14:46we look to provide
00:14:47transitions
00:14:47while achieving
00:14:50those density targets
00:14:51and make the spaces
00:14:52feel from a scale
00:14:54and counter perspective
00:14:55like they're livable.
00:14:57Where we have
00:14:58the greatest density
00:14:59closest to transit,
00:15:00we will transition
00:15:00to lower heights
00:15:01along parts of Marley
00:15:03and toward existing
00:15:04low-rise neighborhoods.
00:15:05on the outskirts
00:15:05of the community.
00:15:09Our built form plans
00:15:11outline where
00:15:12the various built form
00:15:13types and heights
00:15:15will occur.
00:15:16Option 1
00:15:17focuses high-rise
00:15:19on Lawrence App West
00:15:20and near Glencairn
00:15:22Station on the west side
00:15:24and along Marley.
00:15:25We're proposing
00:15:26mid-rise
00:15:27along the balance
00:15:28of Marley App
00:15:28where there isn't high-rise
00:15:29and we're building
00:15:32on the existing
00:15:33apartment neighborhoods,
00:15:34east of Lawrence West
00:15:35Station.
00:15:39Option 2
00:15:40provides more
00:15:40high-rise density
00:15:41around Glencairn Station
00:15:42and has a more
00:15:43gentle mid-rise approach
00:15:45on Lawrence West.
00:15:48Apartment neighborhoods
00:15:49have been expanded
00:15:50down to
00:15:51New Mount Park.
00:15:53Here's a three-dimensional view
00:15:59of Option 1.
00:16:01Approved development applications
00:16:02are highlighted
00:16:03in yellow
00:16:04with a yellow
00:16:05outline.
00:16:06This design is
00:16:07conceptual and will
00:16:08occur over the next
00:16:0930 years or more.
00:16:11The design is subject
00:16:12to change
00:16:13into market forces.
00:16:14We're not determining
00:16:18exact unit types
00:16:19such as
00:16:20one-bedroom,
00:16:21two-bedroom
00:16:22at this level
00:16:22but we know
00:16:23that providing
00:16:24a variety
00:16:24of building
00:16:25hikes
00:16:25and forms
00:16:26that the outcome
00:16:28will be a variety
00:16:29of unit types
00:16:30for people
00:16:30of all ages
00:16:31and of all
00:16:31possible.
00:16:38And here's
00:16:39Option 2.
00:16:40Option 2
00:16:41sees expanded
00:16:41high-rise
00:16:42close to transit stations
00:16:43again leading
00:16:45on the more
00:16:45of a nodal structure.
00:16:47A more gentle
00:16:48approach
00:16:49of mid-rise
00:16:49on Lawrence
00:16:49Southwest
00:16:50and expanded
00:16:51apartment neighborhoods.
00:17:00Our community-focused
00:17:01services
00:17:01and facilities
00:17:02principle
00:17:03has driven
00:17:03our thinking
00:17:03around community-focused
00:17:05community facilities.
00:17:08We have engaged
00:17:08with community facilities
00:17:10internally
00:17:10at the city.
00:17:12and we intend
00:17:13to provide
00:17:14more information
00:17:15of the better
00:17:15next phase
00:17:16early next year.
00:17:18We're working
00:17:19with those departments
00:17:19to determine
00:17:20their needs
00:17:20and how to best
00:17:21support them.
00:17:25These are the
00:17:25typologies
00:17:26of community-focused
00:17:27services and facilities
00:17:28currently within
00:17:29the study boundary.
00:17:35Principle 6,
00:17:36green and fine
00:17:37and resilient neighborhood,
00:17:38has guided us
00:17:39and making sure
00:17:40that the options
00:17:41are in line
00:17:42with our
00:17:42climate resilience
00:17:44key moves.
00:17:47A big part of this
00:17:48is looking at
00:17:49tree canopy
00:17:49in the area.
00:17:50The image on the screen
00:17:51you're seeing
00:17:52is the existing tree canopy
00:17:53within the study boundaries.
00:17:57And here are some
00:17:57of the tree canopy
00:17:58strategies that we're
00:17:59considering.
00:18:00In existing parks,
00:18:02we can reinforce
00:18:03or augment
00:18:04the canopy
00:18:04through protection
00:18:05of mature trees
00:18:06and info planting.
00:18:08In new parkland
00:18:09expansion areas,
00:18:10we can explore
00:18:11opportunities
00:18:11to improve
00:18:12or expand tree canopy.
00:18:14On streets,
00:18:15we can plant
00:18:16street trees.
00:18:17On new development
00:18:18sites,
00:18:18they'll be required
00:18:19to plant new trees.
00:18:21And along the
00:18:21Allen and Greenway,
00:18:22there are spaces
00:18:23to plant additional trees.
00:18:28Here's option one,
00:18:30where you can see
00:18:30the land use,
00:18:31built form,
00:18:31and public realm
00:18:32plants side by side.
00:18:36And option two.
00:18:48Okay.
00:18:49Hello, everyone.
00:18:50Thank you for your patience.
00:18:53We're going to move
00:18:54into the interactive portion
00:18:56of the session today.
00:18:57There's kind of two ways
00:18:58we're going to do that.
00:18:59We have some space
00:19:00for Q&A,
00:19:01for questions for me.
00:19:03And then we also,
00:19:04following those questions,
00:19:05are going to move
00:19:07into focused discussions
00:19:10around three key components
00:19:12of the setting.
00:19:13So we have here
00:19:15a number of city staff members
00:19:17representing transportation,
00:19:18urban design,
00:19:20parks,
00:19:20whatever sort of concern
00:19:21or issue you have,
00:19:23we have a station
00:19:24where you can voice
00:19:26those concerns
00:19:26directly to the city,
00:19:28give us direct feedback,
00:19:29and we can hear from you.
00:19:34With the Q&A,
00:19:38we want to begin,
00:19:40I know there's a lot
00:19:41of information to digest.
00:19:43Wrong slide.
00:19:45We want to begin
00:19:46by inviting questions
00:19:48around sort of
00:19:50purposes of this.
00:19:53So the first
00:20:04sort of level
00:20:05of questions
00:20:06we're inviting
00:20:08are
00:20:08questions of clarification
00:20:10about the study itself.
00:20:11So why are we doing this?
00:20:14Where did this come about?
00:20:16What are the timelines?
00:20:18Any questions
00:20:19regarding the study itself
00:20:21that would help
00:20:22ground this conversation
00:20:23and help us understand
00:20:25sort of what's happening here?
00:20:27Yes, go ahead.
00:20:32How does high density
00:20:33meet?
00:20:35What does high density meet?
00:20:39What, what, you know,
00:20:40I hear this all the time,
00:20:41there's some big
00:20:42high density meet.
00:20:43Where did that all come about?
00:20:45Somebody,
00:20:45somebody give us
00:20:46some history of that.
00:20:47Yeah.
00:20:48That's a fantastic question.
00:20:51The whole reason
00:20:51the study is happening
00:20:52is because of growth.
00:20:54It's because growth
00:21:00is happening.
00:21:01Why is growth happening?
00:21:03What are the forces
00:21:03that are shaping us?
00:21:05And I know,
00:21:06I know some folks
00:21:07in the audience
00:21:08are maybe a little bit
00:21:09more informed
00:21:10about some of the
00:21:11sea pressures
00:21:13that we're under,
00:21:14the market forces,
00:21:16but this is a good
00:21:17opportunity
00:21:18to give some grounding.
00:21:24Hi there,
00:21:25my name is Melanie.
00:21:26I work in city planning
00:21:27alongside Larry
00:21:29and some of the others
00:21:30in the room.
00:21:31And just in terms
00:21:33of a bit of a,
00:21:33just to back up
00:21:35and bring us all
00:21:36onto the same page
00:21:37with respect
00:21:38to the density requirements.
00:21:39So all planning
00:21:41in the city of Toronto
00:21:42is under
00:21:43the Provincial Planning Act
00:21:45and the various
00:21:47policy statements
00:21:48that the province
00:21:48sets out from time
00:21:50to time
00:21:50and events
00:21:50from time to time.
00:21:52So a number
00:21:53of years ago,
00:21:55the province
00:21:56amended
00:21:57the Planning Act
00:21:59and the Provincial Policy
00:22:00Statement
00:22:00saying that any,
00:22:02what's called
00:22:02a major transit station
00:22:04area,
00:22:05needs to meet
00:22:05a minimum density
00:22:07requirement
00:22:08of 200 people
00:22:09and jobs per hectare
00:22:10within a certain
00:22:11distance of the station.
00:22:12And by station,
00:22:13I mean subway station,
00:22:15LRT station,
00:22:16what we call
00:22:17higher order transit.
00:22:19So that set the city
00:22:21on a course
00:22:21to go and evaluate
00:22:22all of its,
00:22:24I'm going to use
00:22:25MTSA as a short hand
00:22:26from now on,
00:22:28major transit station
00:22:29area,
00:22:30and evaluate all of them
00:22:31to determine
00:22:32whether they already
00:22:33meet those,
00:22:34that minimum density
00:22:35requirement.
00:22:36Some of them
00:22:37did not,
00:22:39Glencairn being
00:22:40one of them.
00:22:41And so that set
00:22:43up the need
00:22:44to study it,
00:22:46determine how
00:22:47we can allow
00:22:49for more density
00:22:50to meet those
00:22:51minimum density
00:22:51requirements.
00:22:53At the same time,
00:22:54as you're well aware,
00:22:55we have a number
00:22:56of development
00:22:56applications
00:22:57that are already
00:22:59proceeding
00:23:00and some of which
00:23:01you can see
00:23:01are already approved.
00:23:02So the purpose
00:23:03of the study
00:23:03is to help us
00:23:04manage that growth
00:23:05in a way
00:23:07that responds
00:23:08to those provincial
00:23:08requirements
00:23:09and directs
00:23:12growth to the
00:23:13places where
00:23:13we as a community
00:23:14want to see them
00:23:15and also
00:23:16harness that
00:23:18development
00:23:19so that we can
00:23:20start to direct
00:23:20the types of
00:23:21benefits that come out
00:23:22in so that we know
00:23:24how many people
00:23:24we're planning for
00:23:25in terms of
00:23:26water sewer
00:23:27infrastructure,
00:23:28transportation
00:23:29infrastructure,
00:23:30parks and recreation,
00:23:32community services
00:23:32and facilities.
00:23:33because by looking
00:23:34at it holistically,
00:23:35we have a better
00:23:36idea of how many
00:23:38people we can
00:23:38expect over the
00:23:39long term.
00:23:46Are there any
00:23:46other clarifying
00:23:48questions about
00:23:49the whys and
00:23:50hows of the study?
00:23:51And I'll say
00:23:52my eye landed.
00:24:03When you go
00:24:11along with Marley,
00:24:12when you go
00:24:13along with Marley,
00:24:13you'll see a lot
00:24:14of developers
00:24:15have already
00:24:16developed
00:24:17and bought
00:24:18up property
00:24:19in food science
00:24:20coming out
00:24:21stories.
00:24:22How does this
00:24:22study affect
00:24:23what these
00:24:24developers have
00:24:25already purchased?
00:24:26Because those
00:24:28photos about
00:24:29public ground
00:24:30and how you
00:24:30want to make
00:24:31it a blockable
00:24:32rising area.
00:24:34Well, if you
00:24:35take a look
00:24:36at the corner
00:24:36of Martin
00:24:38and Glencairn
00:24:39with that new
00:24:40condo development
00:24:41there,
00:24:41they're building
00:24:42right up
00:24:42on the sidewalk.
00:24:44You can't have
00:24:45any of those
00:24:45photos.
00:24:47It's not a reality
00:24:48on Marley.
00:24:50You know,
00:24:50I think it's
00:24:51good to be
00:24:51solving it.
00:24:53How does
00:24:53this study affect
00:24:54those current
00:24:55developing
00:24:56those development
00:24:57plans?
00:24:59Thank you so
00:25:00much for that
00:25:01question.
00:25:01because it's
00:25:02exactly this
00:25:03study,
00:25:04the development
00:25:05that you have
00:25:06seen so far
00:25:08didn't have
00:25:09the benefit
00:25:10of a strategy
00:25:12in place.
00:25:13So,
00:25:15improvements
00:25:16for segments
00:25:18of Marley
00:25:19or other
00:25:20streets,
00:25:20improvements
00:25:21to connectivity,
00:25:23all these
00:25:23different elements
00:25:24were not
00:25:25in place.
00:25:26This is a
00:25:27study that
00:25:28will set
00:25:29some of
00:25:29those
00:25:30parameters
00:25:30to guide
00:25:31the
00:25:31negotiations.
00:25:32Now,
00:25:34you all know,
00:25:35many developments
00:25:36can go to the
00:25:37tribunal,
00:25:38and then they
00:25:39can be decided
00:25:40outside our
00:25:41purview.
00:25:42However,
00:25:43having that
00:25:44additional layer
00:25:45of strategy
00:25:47and framework
00:25:48has a way
00:25:50at the
00:25:50tribunal.
00:25:51You don't
00:25:52always win,
00:25:53but it's better
00:25:54than not having
00:25:54anything.
00:25:55And when
00:25:56you go
00:25:57through the
00:25:57process of
00:25:58negotiation
00:25:58with development
00:26:01as it grows,
00:26:02it's really
00:26:03good to know
00:26:04where you
00:26:05want to
00:26:05correct that
00:26:06enhancement
00:26:07or that setback
00:26:09or how you
00:26:09coordinate it
00:26:10and that
00:26:11improvements
00:26:11to a
00:26:12particular
00:26:13side of
00:26:13Marley's
00:26:14suite,
00:26:15for example.
00:26:16So,
00:26:17it's this
00:26:18project and
00:26:19it's this
00:26:19study that
00:26:20will help
00:26:20us frame
00:26:21that.
00:26:21If you're
00:26:23particularly
00:26:23interested
00:26:24in how
00:26:26Marley
00:26:28can involve
00:26:28you to
00:26:29really
00:26:30allow for
00:26:31that space
00:26:31and not have
00:26:32buildings really
00:26:33land at the
00:26:34edge of the
00:26:35poverty boundary,
00:26:37please come and
00:26:38talk to
00:26:38the public
00:26:40realm,
00:26:41because that's
00:26:41an element
00:26:42of it.
00:26:42So,
00:26:43that's one.
00:26:44I have a
00:26:45career
00:26:45act
00:26:46that you
00:26:46were
00:26:46required.
00:26:48I
00:26:48would
00:26:49bring
00:26:49a
00:26:49lot
00:26:49of
00:26:50buildings
00:26:51on
00:26:51gardens
00:26:52and
00:26:53just recently
00:26:55the last
00:26:55few months
00:26:56on Hill
00:26:57Hunt,
00:26:58they talk
00:26:58about
00:26:59almost
00:26:598 inches
00:27:01and 12 inches
00:27:02of a bag
00:27:03of gold
00:27:04so now
00:27:05so that they
00:27:06can build
00:27:07their trees
00:27:07and their
00:27:09tree tree
00:27:09along
00:27:10the road
00:27:12on Hill
00:27:13Hunt.
00:27:14Now,
00:27:14the issue
00:27:15is
00:27:15there's
00:27:16parts
00:27:17on both
00:27:18sides
00:27:18and
00:27:18there
00:27:19they
00:27:20have
00:27:20the
00:27:20congo
00:27:20tree
00:27:21across
00:27:21the
00:27:21streets
00:27:22all
00:27:22sides
00:27:23when one
00:27:24car is
00:27:24coming in
00:27:25and one
00:27:25car is
00:27:26leaking
00:27:26and another
00:27:27one's
00:27:28coming around
00:27:28the curb
00:27:29on
00:27:29the
00:27:29streets
00:27:29this
00:27:30will
00:27:30happen.
00:27:30You know,
00:27:32and how
00:27:33did that
00:27:33improve
00:27:34by the
00:27:34safety?
00:27:35I don't
00:27:35know what
00:27:35you're saying.
00:27:36Do you
00:27:37talk about
00:27:37destruction?
00:27:39This is
00:27:39wonderful.
00:27:40I don't
00:27:41need
00:27:41for
00:27:41people
00:27:42to
00:27:42destruction.
00:27:43They'll
00:27:43need
00:27:43to be
00:27:44able
00:27:44to
00:27:44if
00:27:44you
00:27:44want
00:27:45to.
00:27:45But
00:27:45we
00:27:46don't
00:27:46have
00:27:46to
00:27:46need
00:27:47to
00:27:47accommodate
00:27:48all
00:27:48these
00:27:48people.
00:27:50Marley
00:27:50is a
00:27:51one
00:27:51way
00:27:52up
00:27:52and
00:27:52one
00:27:53way
00:27:53down.
00:27:53We're
00:27:54all
00:27:54this
00:27:54hard
00:27:55involved.
00:27:56It
00:27:56takes us
00:27:56plenty of
00:27:57meetings
00:27:57to
00:27:58get
00:27:58to
00:27:58the
00:27:59hour
00:27:59of
00:27:59the
00:28:00day.
00:28:00And
00:28:00I think
00:28:01it's
00:28:01right now.
00:28:10We are going
00:28:11to have
00:28:12a station
00:28:12dedicated
00:28:13specifically
00:28:14to
00:28:14traffic
00:28:15and mobility
00:28:15issues.
00:28:16I think
00:28:28the
00:28:29operative
00:28:29word
00:28:30for
00:28:30us
00:28:30is
00:28:30that
00:28:30this
00:28:31is
00:28:31a
00:28:31study
00:28:32and
00:28:32so
00:28:33we're
00:28:33looking
00:28:34at
00:28:34everything
00:28:34and
00:28:35we're
00:28:36and
00:28:38it
00:28:38is
00:28:39here.
00:29:09There's no problem of interest.
00:29:16There's a clear problem of interest here.
00:29:25And does he have this to be in the wrong place?
00:29:31and decided to be a wrong order or a wrong order.
00:29:34Either way, they're extremely expensive.
00:29:37I guess it's also part of our community
00:29:40because we're going to have political barriers
00:29:43and we're looking to reduce the amount of people to come here.
00:29:46So, like, the importance of backwards is coming back to us
00:29:49when they want to make money for their job
00:29:52and they have, like, almost 3,000 units
00:29:55and they are taking 900 workers for 3,000 units.
00:29:59Also, they want to make money for free.
00:30:03Oh, there are people who are currently in the United States,
00:30:08which is the most important part of the country.
00:30:13The US has to do it.
00:30:18The US has to be a health care community.
00:30:21The US has to be a health care community.
00:30:24The US has to be a health care community,
00:30:27I really can't hear.
00:30:29I really can't hear.
00:31:00You are echoing the concern and opinion of, I imagine, a number of people here.
00:31:07And thank you.
00:31:08Thank you for articulating that concern so clearly.
00:31:14I don't have an answer for you.
00:31:16My colleagues have more of an answer for you.
00:31:20I am...
00:31:20You've been waiting for me.
00:31:29I'm going to, like, yeah, come forward and we can give you my hand.
00:31:42Torture.
00:31:46So...
00:31:46Turn it off.
00:31:49I'm just going to have to go to the front for that one.
00:32:06They're going to have to go to the front.
00:32:07You are in the front of the whole situation.
00:32:11What are the current things?
00:32:13And how will that change for the next five years?
00:32:19I know you're going to have to see if you've seen it in the past.
00:32:24You should.
00:32:26I'm going to just stand up right over there.
00:32:29You should have brought my camera.
00:32:30I know you're going to have to go to the front.
00:33:01And it's...
00:33:02And the process of bringing a change in the density, the layers of increment roads.
00:33:08And there is no easy answer.
00:33:10This is not only here.
00:33:12It's entire...
00:33:13It's entire city, to be frank.
00:33:18My question is, what I saw from the presentation is that you're planning to be able to buy some
00:33:27infrastructure, as opposed to the bar infrastructure.
00:33:31So I'm wondering if you are thinking about a big part of this, but for the...
00:33:37All infrastructure.
00:33:40And part of this discussion, there is some interest and need to improve the cycle infrastructure.
00:33:50Obviously, the walking infrastructure.
00:33:52Streets need to serve many, many different things.
00:33:56And you're seeing it, but the trees are being planted.
00:33:59And it's that coordination that needs to take place.
00:34:02But we need three trees.
00:34:05We need stormwater management strategies in the streets.
00:34:09We need enhancement to your segment, enhancement to pedestrian on top of Pakistan.
00:34:14Obviously, we have the bus system on from Marlins, right?
00:34:18We have proximity to, hopefully, when the aircraft drops down, and to other stations, transit stations.
00:34:27So there's an ecosystem, there's a lot of vehicular travel, because we are also at the gateway to get to the entire region, using the 401, right?
00:34:38So there's that recognition that it's not everybody's going downtown.
00:34:42There's also people going outside the, you know, the downtown that reports that.
00:34:46So it's all those layers.
00:34:48And the table that I will be dealing with mobility has these layers.
00:34:52There are different strategies on how I will be rethink cycling, rethink the trail system on the island and the adult line.
00:35:02And, obviously, transit and vehicular movement, improving crossroads and things like that.
00:35:10So they are all part of this whole ecosystem of mobility going on.
00:35:18We have time for one or two more questions before we transition to the table discussions.
00:35:33Who's got a question?
00:35:35Who's got a question?
00:35:37Who's got a question?
00:35:41We're going to take a few more questions.
00:35:47Hey, Paul!
00:35:48Hey, Paul!
00:35:50Hey, Paul!
00:35:52Hey, Paul!
00:35:53Hey, Paul!
00:35:54Hey, Paul!
00:35:56Oopsie little stage.
00:35:58Yeah, I just didn't see that.
00:36:00I'm going to create a space where you can get a question.
00:36:06Is there a spy or a specific stuff that matters?
00:36:09I believe everybody is here.
00:36:12Exactly.
00:36:13Everybody want to hear you guys.
00:36:15Okay.
00:36:16Okay.
00:36:17Okay.
00:36:18Okay.
00:36:19Okay.
00:36:20Okay.
00:36:21Okay.
00:36:22Okay.
00:36:23Okay.
00:36:24Okay.
00:36:25Okay.
00:36:26Okay.
00:36:27Okay.
00:36:28Okay.
00:36:29Okay.
00:36:30Okay.
00:36:31Okay.
00:36:32Okay.
00:36:33Good afternoon, everyone.
00:36:35So, let's see.
00:36:37Two or three-part questions.
00:36:39First of all, I know that I've been talking about power, I'm losing that, and I really appreciate
00:36:44that.
00:36:45Well, in terms of time density areas, one of the things that we need to think about, especially
00:36:51when we have the zero emissions target of 2040 is public transit.
00:36:57So my question is, how is public transit going to, you know, carry all of that role
00:37:03which we do still, whatever you're going to have here, into the system that's already working, you know, at capacity?
00:37:12Well, that's one question. Second question is,
00:37:15in terms of affordability, it's kind of funny because, you know, those six of you just passed,
00:37:25those six of you will kill a lot of things that Yeltsin could do to them.
00:37:32So let's welcome you here, our homeowners,
00:37:35we're going to be in a very serious position, you know, sooner than later.
00:37:41So in different form of liberty, like the developers coming and building these towers,
00:37:48and building that, and I got that console, that was the one that Glenn,
00:37:52that had plenty of care, and then Marty, who's not on tour of it, right?
00:37:57Bingo!
00:37:59That's a little, I mean, like, at the end of the class,
00:38:03I mean, these towers, how do they get them out?
00:38:06You know, there's a process called 1050 painting,
00:38:10and that happened at the most recent times,
00:38:14in the old kingdom, all of those neighborhoods,
00:38:19the developers came, they built those towers,
00:38:22and they built everything, and that's what happened.
00:38:25People who lived there, they got pushed out.
00:38:29And this was going to happen when Martin was,
00:38:32and I hate to see that happen.
00:38:35I'm sorry, like, I mean, this is not, like we all have here.
00:38:39Like, I would stay here, go and leave,
00:38:41because housing costs went so tight up,
00:38:46that I have to give up the place where, like, I threw up for a mile.
00:38:51Right?
00:38:52So, in general, for the building,
00:38:54I guess, like you guys said, like,
00:38:56some of the residents can go throughout the city,
00:38:59and most likely now,
00:39:01a very nice game,
00:39:02a very nice game,
00:39:04they will win.
00:39:06That's what you said, literally.
00:39:08So,
00:39:10you know,
00:39:12you know,
00:39:13I can't say,
00:39:14what's the purpose.
00:39:15That's you,
00:39:16you see the purpose,
00:39:17that you can't address my identity,
00:39:18you're getting to this world.
00:39:20And I guess for everyone who's in here,
00:39:22that,
00:39:23our purpose,
00:39:24that gives us purpose,
00:39:26that gives us purpose,
00:39:28because when we come up here,
00:39:30together,
00:39:31and group,
00:39:32and group,
00:39:33and group,
00:39:34and group,
00:39:35and group,
00:39:36and group,
00:39:37and group,
00:39:38and group,
00:39:39and group,
00:39:40and group,
00:39:41and group,
00:39:42but,
00:39:43they won't give us a name for,
00:39:44some other people,
00:39:45not others.
00:39:46Yeah.
00:39:47No?
00:39:48So,
00:39:49...
00:39:53Very good questions.
00:39:55And,
00:39:56so on,
00:39:57the transit front,
00:39:58there are other,
00:39:59other,
00:40:00transportation,
00:40:02transit strategies,
00:40:03that the city is looking for,
00:40:05the,
00:40:06the,
00:40:07the bus,
00:40:08the,
00:40:09the,
00:40:10the high-speed bus,
00:40:11and,
00:40:12on,
00:40:13on,
00:40:14on,
00:40:15on,
00:40:16on,
00:40:17on,
00:40:18on,
00:40:19on,
00:40:20on,
00:40:21on,
00:40:22on,
00:40:23on,
00:40:24on,
00:40:25on,
00:40:26on,
00:40:27on,
00:40:28on,
00:40:29on,
00:40:33on,
00:40:34on,
00:40:35on,
00:40:42on,
00:40:43on,
00:40:44on,
00:40:45on,
00:40:45on,
00:40:46on.
00:40:47Ya,
00:40:48on,
00:40:49the current street system can help transition that's one thing but investment needs to be
00:40:57happy needs to happen and we don't have that answer for the claim here now for affordability
00:41:03you bring a very good question and it and within the mpsa series there is a requirement
00:41:10for certain number of units to be afforded and that's one little element that we can use
00:41:18to secure that level of affordability now there is a definition for it and this is not uh social
00:41:25same right um um the the the view of plan to accept and agree is that um in those negotiations now now
00:41:35the cde when they see the developer or they are at the tribunal there is that push and pull of saying
00:41:42well we need you to do x y z we need to improve the the you know the neighborhood in this manner in
00:41:51this corner but they stop planning strategy you know why you're asking for something and where you
00:41:57and we don't have it right now in here that's that's one of the problems of the street that
00:42:03comes from sara and it creates that bottleneck right so we need the plan to be connected so anyway
00:42:11yes thank you for the the question on affordability
00:42:25let's all ask questions
00:42:43jack all right hi how's everybody doing today um i've been in the area pretty much since i was born
00:42:50um i attended the education in the area i've been involved in the area and i don't know if a lot of
00:42:57people remember 2013 when there was a large flood in that and a lot of your basements flooded out
00:43:04unluckily i was one of them and a lot of my neighbors a lot of people on my dirty majestic court
00:43:09all over that area i remember everybody had a mattresses all the time and it was a horrible time for all
00:43:13of us and fighting the insurance company and going through all the nonsense of getting our house back
00:43:18there well i i was able to get a meeting with the city at that time so i dug in to find out about
00:43:24the way that the water runs in our area now in 2013 when that happened i had the luck to speak to mr
00:43:32cool's son i believe at that time he came to my home i had him there i had the city planner there
00:43:38and i had the person with the map of the water and how it runs in our area now what happened was at
00:43:45that time about 10 to 15 years previous to that the city was supposed to put a holding tank
00:43:51at ingram ingram where the garbage dump is now not the city garbage dump which used to be york steel
00:43:59he's there so he might know what i'm talking about that never happened we are in a flood plain
00:44:04in order to repair that problem you have to fix you want to add density i just flood again
00:44:14the last time uh seven of my neighbors flooded people are wondering if i'm going to tell you what's
00:44:20going to happen to all of you who mortgage than live in this area remember these words the insurance
00:44:26company came to me and said you live in a flood plain one more time you're not getting flood insurance for
00:44:32your basement now for those of you that has finished your basement and now you are unable to purchase
00:44:39that insurance cost you 100 150 200 000 to repair your basement every time that happens why are we
00:44:48talking about adding anything when we're still flooding and no one's helping us and insurance companies don't
00:44:56care and the city doesn't care and they want to charge that they raise their property tax 11
00:45:02and now our mayor's talking about a three percent raise for rain tax because they're saying oh well
00:45:07you know we just don't have the money to fix the infrastructure under the ground well how are you
00:45:12going to add this how is that possibly going to stop our houses from flooding ask the people
00:45:18constituents in your area in charge of what they're going to do to ensure that you don't end up without a home
00:45:23and you're retiring thank you for your time thank you okay it's a lot of detail for us to dig into
00:45:39we are going to transition uh to topic station discussions we have three stations yes you know i
00:45:48just giving a bit of a buffer um for those who have questions about development density what that
00:45:57means for the quality of the community the environment we have station one for those who are concerned
00:46:05have questions about mobility impacts on traffic transition to more transit oriented neighborhoods we have
00:46:13station two and then station three is for questions related to parks and open spaces we have city staff
00:46:21from each of those departments here to answer questions we also have you'll probably see under tables
00:46:29black binders these binders include all of the studies that we've been doing um we are looking at
00:46:38flood prone issues we're looking at impacts on traffic we're looking at impacts of shadows on the new
00:46:45developments you'll find the results of those early studies in these packages that you can dig through
00:46:53and that you can ask us questions about before we transition we have counselor cole who's joined us this
00:47:01evening i'm going to invite counselor cole to say a few words thank you thank you thank you
00:47:11where do you want me to do that okay thank you okay thank you okay is that good okay i just want to say one thing
00:47:29we got this study group together for one purpose okay to basically have a buffer or defense against against the
00:47:46incredible anticipated density that's coming to this area
00:47:51i can't believe how rude i can't believe how rude you are to this study group
00:47:57and there
00:48:07again you just showed
00:48:08again
00:48:20i could just
00:48:22Again, the reason why the study is taking place is because of what we're facing here right now.
00:48:45And that is unprecedented changes in legislation by the province of Monterrey that started seven years ago, which basically took away local planning control from the community, from the city.
00:49:05So therefore, this group of experts, along with city staff, are trying to build the case, quantify the need for infrastructure, like sewers, like hydro, like social services.
00:49:25And you have to quantify that by these experts, if you have any chance of stopping what the province is trying to do.
00:49:39If we don't have them doing their studies, you've got zero chance of stopping any of this.
00:49:49Zero chance.
00:49:50And so just keep that in mind.
00:49:58They are here basically to help the community build, just be, just listen for a change.
00:50:10Maybe you should, you should listen for a change.
00:50:31Just listen.
00:50:34Just listen.
00:50:36Okay.
00:50:37Mike, Mike, I think it's time to retire now.
00:50:59Mike, it's time to retire.
00:51:01So, again, if I could just again continue.
00:51:10So we have to have this expert information, if we are to have a case, to basically stop these development proposals,
00:51:24which are coming not only to this part of the city, but the whole province and the city of Toronto is facing the same pressures.
00:51:37So, therefore, with this study being done, we have a chance to basically say we don't want or we cannot sustain this type of high-density development in this community.
00:51:58Because if we don't have this type of background information, we will be rolled over because what happens in all cases,
00:52:13like here at the corner of Claver and Dufferin, eight years ago they approved eight stories.
00:52:21It wasn't approved by the city, you're wrong, you're wrong.
00:52:35It went to the Ontario Land Tribunal.
00:52:39Okay?
00:52:40The city went to the Ontario Land Tribunal, opposed the application at the tribunal, along with some residents.
00:52:51The city went to the city, the city went to the tribunal, because the community did not want the eight stories.
00:53:00So you know what the tribunal, the provincial government tribunal did?
00:53:04They approved 33 stories.
00:53:07Because the community did not want the eight, and we said, we'll discuss the eight.
00:53:16Instead, the tribunal just ruled for 33.
00:53:22So that's the type of example I'm giving you.
00:53:25If we don't have this type of expert information from these consultants, we will not have a chance.
00:53:34Secondly, the good thing, the bad thing, the good thing, is that the condominium market has collapsed.
00:53:46So that gives us more time.
00:53:50Okay?
00:53:50Because they thought they would be building very quickly.
00:53:55They thought that the people were going to be buying tangos, buying purposeful rental.
00:54:00But they are not.
00:54:03So therefore, the dreams of the developers was that they would be building all these things, people would be buying.
00:54:13But that has totally stopped.
00:54:17So some of these proposals, we already have a number of bankersies.
00:54:24At the corner of Bathurst and Wilson, the southwest corner.
00:54:33You know that corner?
00:54:35There was a development application for 30 stories.
00:54:39That company just went under.
00:54:42And there's nothing being built there, because there's nobody buying.
00:54:47So I put that context into place, because that gives us time.
00:54:56So the applications that come in, and some are even being approved by the tribunal,
00:55:04they may never get built, because nobody's buying.
00:55:08So that is, again, the bad for the development industry, but it also gives us time here in this area.
00:55:18And that's why we need the quantification of the sewers we need, the traffic issues we've got to deal with.
00:55:27We need all of these to be done.
00:55:30But, if the province, who's claiming they have nothing to do with it,
00:55:39they say it's all the city,
00:55:42if the province doesn't hear from you,
00:55:47because they've had three majority elections,
00:55:50many of you voted for them three times, majority elections,
00:55:55nobody ever brought this issue up in those provincial elections.
00:55:59So they think, oh well, we're not taking the heat, the city's taking the heat.
00:56:04It's all Mike Cole's fault.
00:56:06So when they hear what's happening in these meetings,
00:56:09they say, hey, that's great, they're all yelling and screaming,
00:56:12and Mike Cole, they're all yelling and screaming,
00:56:13and the consultants, we aren't going to take any blame.
00:56:18So what I, I've got a handout for you.
00:56:21Unless you start to be heard,
00:56:25unless you start to call, visit,
00:56:30email your provincial member,
00:56:33unless you call or email your Minister of Municipal Affairs,
00:56:39let them know that you do not want these developments here.
00:56:44They won't do them,
00:56:46because they say, well, big deal,
00:56:48the city gets a blame,
00:56:50and we're stock-free.
00:56:52So that's why if you want to get something done,
00:56:57you have to work with our city staff,
00:57:01you have to work with the consultants,
00:57:03to build the case
00:57:04where you can go,
00:57:08and if it goes to the tribunal or not,
00:57:11but at least letting the problems know,
00:57:14stop,
00:57:14and, you know,
00:57:15we've passed a motion to Toronto City Council
00:57:18that says we want to pause
00:57:21on development of the Marley area.
00:57:24We want to pause,
00:57:25a stop,
00:57:26until,
00:57:27you heard from the people,
00:57:28until we complete the study.
00:57:31We said,
00:57:32pause.
00:57:33Now,
00:57:33the problem is this,
00:57:34none of you have supported my call
00:57:36for this stop.
00:57:38How many print emails your phone
00:57:40and ask for the call?
00:57:42Your office doesn't answer.
00:57:44We don't have to leave them out.
00:57:46Your office doesn't answer.
00:57:51Again,
00:57:51you have to,
00:57:54again and again,
00:57:55you can yell at you,
00:57:57just be,
00:57:58just stop,
00:57:58just stop.
00:58:01Just stop.
00:58:02Maybe,
00:58:03maybe we sent it to the room.
00:58:07So if enough people,
00:58:09if enough people
00:58:12start to call,
00:58:14email,
00:58:15text,
00:58:16visit,
00:58:17God forbid,
00:58:18visit the NPP
00:58:18and say,
00:58:20we don't like this development,
00:58:22you have a chance.
00:58:23But up until now,
00:58:24they say they're getting no calls,
00:58:27no visits.
00:58:30How many have emailed
00:58:31their NPP about this?
00:58:32and I apologize.
00:58:33That's good.
00:58:34Okay,
00:58:34so one,
00:58:35two,
00:58:35three,
00:58:35four,
00:58:35five,
00:58:36six,
00:58:36seven.
00:58:36She said,
00:58:37I'm a typo.
00:58:38That's all.
00:58:39Okay,
00:58:40but if everybody,
00:58:41again,
00:58:43if everybody in this room
00:58:45were to make a phone call,
00:58:48emailing the message
00:58:49that you're not happy
00:58:52about these developments,
00:58:54if you emailed
00:58:55and said that,
00:58:56it would really have an effect.
00:58:58Up until now,
00:59:00too few have done that
00:59:03because they think
00:59:05they have fooled you all.
00:59:07They think
00:59:08it's the city
00:59:09that's going to take the blame.
00:59:10We are not.
00:59:11So that's why
00:59:11I urge you to support
00:59:14my motion that I passed
00:59:16three months ago
00:59:17with City Council
00:59:18saying we want
00:59:20a pause on this development.
00:59:23We don't want
00:59:24all of the development
00:59:24to take place.
00:59:26Hold on.
00:59:26And we've asked
00:59:28the developers
00:59:29that do the same thing.
00:59:30We said,
00:59:30don't proceed
00:59:31and don't go
00:59:33to the Ontario Land Tribunal
00:59:34until this study is done.
00:59:37So this study
00:59:39gives us
00:59:41that ammunition we need.
00:59:43Without this study,
00:59:45and unless we work
00:59:46with this group here,
00:59:48and unless you start
00:59:49calling,
00:59:51visiting,
00:59:52and letting
00:59:53the provincial
00:59:53representatives know
00:59:55that you're not happy
00:59:57with all this density
00:59:58because as you know,
01:00:00we said,
01:00:02from the beginning
01:00:02we said,
01:00:04sure,
01:00:06if there's a
01:00:06ten-story building
01:00:07or an eight-story
01:00:08or a twenty-story,
01:00:09whatever,
01:00:10but twenty,
01:00:11thirty,
01:00:12forty,
01:00:12fifty now.
01:00:14They're up to fifty now
01:00:15because nobody
01:00:16has complained
01:00:17to the province
01:00:18about the fifty stories.
01:00:20Nobody.
01:00:21They're saying,
01:00:22oh,
01:00:22we're not getting
01:00:22any calls,
01:00:23and it's only
01:00:24Mike Cole
01:00:25that's complaining.
01:00:26So,
01:00:27this is what's
01:00:28happened
01:00:28because people
01:00:29have not
01:00:32been given
01:00:33that kind
01:00:34of advice
01:00:35and information,
01:00:36so I'm here
01:00:38again saying
01:00:39to you,
01:00:41I have hope
01:00:42because I know
01:00:43we stood in this room
01:00:44all about
01:00:46ten years ago
01:00:48when there was
01:00:49a proposal,
01:00:50what was happening
01:00:51ten years ago
01:00:52in this room
01:00:52that we did
01:00:53ten years ago,
01:00:53you remember?
01:00:55Huh?
01:00:56Huh?
01:00:59There's a proposal
01:01:00to build
01:01:01condos
01:01:02on this site
01:01:03and
01:01:05demolish
01:01:06the condos
01:01:06center.
01:01:08I know
01:01:09a lot of you
01:01:09were not here
01:01:10when we had
01:01:11the fight,
01:01:12but we stopped
01:01:13it.
01:01:14We stopped
01:01:15the development
01:01:16because we all
01:01:17got together
01:01:18we didn't
01:01:19yell and scream
01:01:20but we all
01:01:22met,
01:01:23sent letters,
01:01:24emails,
01:01:25we even
01:01:26walked around
01:01:27the whole
01:01:29block
01:01:29and we
01:01:30stopped
01:01:31that
01:01:31development
01:01:33proposal
01:01:34back ten
01:01:35years ago.
01:01:36The center
01:01:37still stands
01:01:38because we're
01:01:38all together
01:01:39and we
01:01:41could do
01:01:41the same
01:01:42thing again
01:01:43if
01:01:44people
01:01:46again
01:01:47work together
01:01:48work together
01:01:50with these
01:01:51people that
01:01:51are here
01:01:52to help
01:01:52you
01:01:52and not
01:01:54yell and
01:01:54scream at
01:01:55them
01:01:55because they
01:01:56are trying
01:01:56to get
01:01:57the proper
01:01:58information
01:01:59so they
01:01:59can say
01:02:00you can't
01:02:02expect
01:02:03Marty to
01:02:04work with
01:02:04another
01:02:0520 condos
01:02:06traffic-wide
01:02:08all these
01:02:09things
01:02:09they have
01:02:10to document
01:02:10that
01:02:11so they're
01:02:12ready to
01:02:13do that
01:02:13but you've
01:02:14got to
01:02:14give them
01:02:14the information
01:02:15and you've
01:02:16got to
01:02:16give them
01:02:16your support
01:02:17and the last
01:02:18thing I'll
01:02:18say
01:02:19they
01:02:21are looking
01:02:22at
01:02:23options
01:02:23because
01:02:24they're
01:02:25tied to
01:02:25certain
01:02:26extent
01:02:26because
01:02:26the
01:02:26province
01:02:27has
01:02:27already
01:02:27passed
01:02:2810
01:02:29pieces
01:02:29of
01:02:29legislation
01:02:29so they
01:02:32have
01:02:33no pressure
01:02:33on it
01:02:34but they
01:02:35were saying
01:02:36their choices
01:02:36because they
01:02:37talked about
01:02:37option 1
01:02:39option 2
01:02:40if you really
01:02:42believe that
01:02:43you want to
01:02:44see
01:02:44more moderate
01:02:45development
01:02:46you want to
01:02:48see some
01:02:49housing
01:02:49but you
01:02:50want to
01:02:51see more
01:02:51mid-rise
01:02:52and not
01:02:53the 20
01:02:5430
01:02:5440
01:02:5450
01:02:55story
01:02:55you've
01:02:56got to
01:02:56say that
01:02:57and support
01:02:58that as
01:02:59one of your
01:03:00options
01:03:00but you've
01:03:01got to be
01:03:01very clear
01:03:01about that
01:03:02and you
01:03:03have the
01:03:04right to
01:03:04do that
01:03:05only in
01:03:05this form
01:03:06okay
01:03:07as a group
01:03:08if you all
01:03:09agree that
01:03:10you want
01:03:10moderate
01:03:11development
01:03:11then you
01:03:13have this
01:03:14group of
01:03:14experts
01:03:15that's
01:03:15supporting
01:03:16what you
01:03:16are asking
01:03:17for
01:03:18you need
01:03:18them
01:03:19to work
01:03:19with you
01:03:20to say
01:03:21we want
01:03:22option 3
01:03:23but you
01:03:24have to
01:03:24be together
01:03:25now some
01:03:25of you may
01:03:26not want
01:03:26option 3
01:03:27you may
01:03:28want high
01:03:28towers
01:03:29but that's
01:03:31why these
01:03:32people here
01:03:32are very
01:03:34important
01:03:34because
01:03:35if any
01:03:36of this
01:03:36goes
01:03:36if they
01:03:37do go
01:03:37to the
01:03:38provincial
01:03:39land tribe
01:03:39you know
01:03:40the province
01:03:41doesn't allow
01:03:42you to go
01:03:43and leave
01:03:43there
01:03:43that's one
01:03:45the laws
01:03:46they change
01:03:46you cannot
01:03:47go
01:03:47only
01:03:49the
01:03:50lawyers
01:03:52from
01:03:52the city
01:03:52can go
01:03:53and the
01:03:54planners
01:03:55can go
01:03:56to that tribe
01:03:56you know
01:03:57make a case
01:03:57so therefore
01:03:59it's so important
01:04:00that you
01:04:02give them
01:04:02the support
01:04:03the ammunition
01:04:04because
01:04:05unfortunately
01:04:06you cannot
01:04:08participate
01:04:08once it goes
01:04:10to the tribunal
01:04:11because what
01:04:11happens
01:04:12with every
01:04:12application
01:04:13after 90
01:04:15days
01:04:15or 120
01:04:17developers
01:04:19sometimes
01:04:21they don't
01:04:21have meetings
01:04:22they go
01:04:22directly to the
01:04:23tribunal
01:04:23and get
01:04:24approved
01:04:24so that's
01:04:26why we
01:04:27are also
01:04:27trying to
01:04:28say
01:04:28please
01:04:30we don't
01:04:32want anything
01:04:33decided
01:04:33in the tribunal
01:04:34until we
01:04:35get this
01:04:35done
01:04:36that's
01:04:37in my
01:04:37motion
01:04:38no
01:04:39tribunal
01:04:40decisions
01:04:40until the
01:04:42study is
01:04:42complete
01:04:43and no
01:04:45support
01:04:47for any
01:04:48of this
01:04:48density
01:04:49until the
01:04:50study
01:04:50is complete
01:04:51so I
01:04:52need your
01:04:53support
01:04:53to ask
01:04:54for this
01:04:55pause
01:04:55and not
01:04:57for this
01:04:57to go
01:04:58on
01:04:58because what
01:04:59they're doing
01:05:00is
01:05:00every
01:05:02I've got
01:05:03two of these
01:05:03meetings
01:05:04every night
01:05:04every week
01:05:05where they're
01:05:06trying to
01:05:07jam this
01:05:08thing through
01:05:09but we
01:05:10need this
01:05:11pause
01:05:12but it's
01:05:12not going
01:05:13to happen
01:05:13until you
01:05:15support
01:05:16that call
01:05:16don't even
01:05:17have to
01:05:17read my
01:05:18name
01:05:18but just
01:05:18say
01:05:19hey listen
01:05:19province
01:05:21we need
01:05:21a pause
01:05:22wait till
01:05:23the study
01:05:23is done
01:05:24so that's
01:05:25why the
01:05:26study is
01:05:26so important
01:05:27can you
01:05:28hand out
01:05:29those
01:05:29okay
01:05:31anyways
01:05:32thank you
01:05:36I appreciate
01:05:38you listening
01:05:39and I
01:05:40appreciate
01:05:40the frustration
01:05:41and I
01:05:43appreciate
01:05:43what
01:05:44you're going
01:05:45through
01:05:46but remember
01:05:47if we're
01:05:48together
01:05:49and not
01:05:49pointing fingers
01:05:51and yelling
01:05:52and screaming
01:05:52we'll get
01:05:54nowhere
01:05:55if you
01:05:55yell and
01:05:55scream
01:05:56but if
01:05:56you work
01:05:57together
01:05:57with this
01:05:59group here
01:05:59and we
01:06:00get a
01:06:00good
01:06:00strong
01:06:01case
01:06:01and as
01:06:03for that
01:06:03pause
01:06:03we're just
01:06:04saying
01:06:04pause it
01:06:05stop it
01:06:06until we
01:06:07do the
01:06:08study
01:06:08at least
01:06:08okay
01:06:10I do
01:06:11have one
01:06:12question
01:06:12if I may
01:06:14and it
01:06:14dovetails
01:06:15on something
01:06:15the gentleman
01:06:16over there
01:06:17was talking
01:06:17about
01:06:17blood
01:06:18plants
01:06:19so
01:06:20with all
01:06:22the deregulation
01:06:23from the
01:06:23province
01:06:23specifically
01:06:24conservation
01:06:25authorities
01:06:25and one
01:06:26part that I
01:06:27think a lot
01:06:27of people
01:06:28are being
01:06:28blindsided by
01:06:29is in
01:06:30the realm
01:06:31of flood
01:06:31plants
01:06:32there is
01:06:33a lot
01:06:34of controversy
01:06:35over developing
01:06:35the green
01:06:36dust
01:06:36which is a
01:06:37big sponge
01:06:38what level
01:06:39of recourse
01:06:40does the
01:06:40city have
01:06:41for flooding
01:06:42that is just
01:06:43going to
01:06:43continue to
01:06:44get worse
01:06:45and worse
01:06:45not just
01:06:46in this
01:06:46community
01:06:47across the
01:06:47entire city
01:06:48of Toronto
01:06:49we're a
01:06:49basic
01:06:50what level
01:06:51of recourse
01:06:52do we have
01:06:53at the city
01:06:54level
01:06:54back to the
01:06:54province
01:06:55on effectively
01:06:57damages
01:06:57that are
01:06:58coming
01:06:58you fought
01:07:00to protect
01:07:00the green
01:07:01belt
01:07:01and I
01:07:02respect
01:07:02he
01:07:02buried
01:07:03but he's
01:07:04fighting
01:07:04to pour
01:07:04concrete
01:07:05through it
01:07:05it's a
01:07:06natural
01:07:06sponge
01:07:07we have
01:07:07no chance
01:07:08on flood
01:07:08control
01:07:09in the
01:07:10entire city
01:07:11let alone
01:07:11this community
01:07:12I appreciate
01:07:15that
01:07:15and the
01:07:15people
01:07:16that yell
01:07:16and scream
01:07:16at me
01:07:17certainly
01:07:17never
01:07:18supported
01:07:18the fact
01:07:19that I
01:07:19spent five
01:07:20years of
01:07:20my life
01:07:21creating the
01:07:21green belt
01:07:21but that
01:07:22was a very
01:07:23very difficult
01:07:24challenge
01:07:25and he's
01:07:26making fun
01:07:26of the
01:07:26green belt
01:07:27but I
01:07:27think it's
01:07:28very serious
01:07:29that
01:07:30that's one
01:07:31of the first
01:07:32things we
01:07:32raised
01:07:33with the
01:07:35developers
01:07:35and we
01:07:36raised with
01:07:36city staff
01:07:37there is
01:07:39no
01:07:39sewer
01:07:40infrastructure
01:07:41right now
01:07:42and there's
01:07:44going to be
01:07:45impossible
01:07:46capacity
01:07:47if we build
01:07:48all these
01:07:48buildings
01:07:49so that's
01:07:50one of the
01:07:50strongest
01:07:50arguments
01:07:51we're making
01:07:52is for
01:07:53sewer and
01:07:53water
01:07:54infrastructure
01:07:54that is
01:07:56deficient
01:07:56and in
01:07:57fact
01:07:58in a
01:08:00couple of
01:08:00the
01:08:01developments
01:08:02there's
01:08:04three of
01:08:04the
01:08:04developer
01:08:05groups
01:08:05that are
01:08:05a bit
01:08:06they got
01:08:07the message
01:08:07they have
01:08:09told the
01:08:10province
01:08:10and the
01:08:11city
01:08:11they have
01:08:13put money
01:08:13aside to
01:08:14build extra
01:08:15sewer
01:08:15infrastructure
01:08:16they've
01:08:16already
01:08:17committed
01:08:17about
01:08:17six
01:08:18million
01:08:18dollars
01:08:18because
01:08:20they know
01:08:21they're very
01:08:21vulnerable
01:08:22on that
01:08:22point
01:08:22so that
01:08:24is a
01:08:25serious
01:08:25concern
01:08:26is the
01:08:26sewer
01:08:26infrastructure
01:08:27along
01:08:28with
01:08:28hydro
01:08:29infrastructure
01:08:29along
01:08:31with
01:08:31the
01:08:32transportation
01:08:33infrastructure
01:08:34because
01:08:35as you
01:08:35know
01:08:35the big
01:08:36problem
01:08:36with
01:08:36all
01:08:36of
01:08:37this
01:08:37is
01:08:39the
01:08:39fact
01:08:40the
01:08:41province
01:08:42made a
01:08:42dramatic
01:08:43change
01:08:44in
01:08:44legislation
01:08:44on
01:08:45planning
01:08:45they said
01:08:47that if
01:08:47you're within
01:08:48800 meters
01:08:49of a
01:08:49subway station
01:08:50you can
01:08:51build
01:08:52whatever
01:08:52you want
01:08:53so
01:08:54therefore
01:08:54when that
01:08:55was
01:08:55passed
01:08:56by the
01:08:58province
01:08:58nobody
01:08:58objected
01:08:59because
01:08:59you know
01:09:00why
01:09:00they said
01:09:00oh yeah
01:09:01we need
01:09:01housing
01:09:02near
01:09:02transit
01:09:02but the
01:09:03public
01:09:04didn't
01:09:04understand
01:09:04they're
01:09:05talking
01:09:05about
01:09:06not just
01:09:07housing
01:09:08they're
01:09:08talking
01:09:08about
01:09:08towers
01:09:09five
01:09:10six
01:09:11towers
01:09:1153
01:09:12stories
01:09:13so people
01:09:14were sort
01:09:14of fooled
01:09:15into thinking
01:09:15yes
01:09:16we're all
01:09:16in favor
01:09:16housing
01:09:17but now
01:09:18when they
01:09:18realize
01:09:19hey
01:09:19listen
01:09:20they're
01:09:20building
01:09:20five
01:09:21six
01:09:2140
01:09:21story
01:09:22buildings
01:09:22around
01:09:22the
01:09:23subway
01:09:23station
01:09:23that's
01:09:24where
01:09:25people
01:09:25got
01:09:26fooled
01:09:26by
01:09:26the
01:09:26cry
01:09:27for
01:09:27housing
01:09:28housing
01:09:29housing
01:09:29housing
01:09:29and then
01:09:30as someone
01:09:30mentioned
01:09:31earlier
01:09:31the
01:09:32interesting
01:09:32thing
01:09:33is
01:09:33the
01:09:34province
01:09:35does not
01:09:35allow
01:09:36any
01:09:37affordable
01:09:37housing
01:09:38in these
01:09:38new
01:09:39condos
01:09:39that's
01:09:40against
01:09:41provincial
01:09:41law
01:09:42you
01:09:43cannot
01:09:43have
01:09:44the
01:09:45city
01:09:45tried
01:09:45to have
01:09:46a law
01:09:46it's
01:09:46called
01:09:46inclusionary
01:09:47zoning
01:09:47that said
01:09:49for every
01:09:49building
01:09:50there should
01:09:50be
01:09:5020%
01:09:51affordable
01:09:52the province
01:09:54said
01:09:54no
01:09:55the
01:09:56developers
01:09:57can't
01:09:57afford
01:09:57it
01:09:58so
01:09:59that
01:09:59was
01:10:00a
01:10:00law
01:10:00passed
01:10:01that
01:10:01you
01:10:01voted
01:10:01for
01:10:02when
01:10:02you
01:10:02re-elected
01:10:03the
01:10:03foreign
01:10:03government
01:10:04okay
01:10:05so
01:10:05that's
01:10:05what
01:10:06happened
01:10:06because
01:10:07nobody
01:10:07objected
01:10:08to
01:10:09that
01:10:09change
01:10:10so
01:10:11there's
01:10:11no
01:10:11affordable
01:10:12housing
01:10:12allowed
01:10:13in any
01:10:14of these
01:10:14developments
01:10:15so
01:10:15that
01:10:16was
01:10:16a
01:10:16critically
01:10:17sad
01:10:19situation
01:10:19we
01:10:20lost
01:10:20even
01:10:20the
01:10:20ability
01:10:21to
01:10:21even
01:10:21have
01:10:21some
01:10:22affordable
01:10:22in
01:10:23the
01:10:23condo
01:10:23yes
01:10:25yeah
01:10:28okay
01:10:28yeah
01:10:29yeah
01:10:30yeah
01:10:34yeah
01:10:36yeah
01:10:48yeah
01:10:49yeah
01:10:51until
01:10:56the
01:10:56whole
01:10:57study
01:10:57is
01:10:57complete
01:10:58because
01:10:58the
01:10:59study
01:10:59has
01:11:00two
01:11:00parts
01:11:00to it
01:11:01they
01:11:01can
01:11:01give you
01:11:01the
01:11:01details
01:11:02on it
01:11:02so
01:11:03we're
01:11:03we're
01:11:03we're
01:11:03doing
01:11:03one
01:11:04preliminary
01:11:04phase
01:11:05because
01:11:06the
01:11:06other
01:11:07thing
01:11:07we're
01:11:07worried
01:11:07about
01:11:08we're
01:11:08rushing
01:11:08it
01:11:09because
01:11:09we said
01:11:09we don't
01:11:10get this
01:11:10in
01:11:10they're
01:11:11just
01:11:11going to
01:11:12prove
01:11:12everything
01:11:12so
01:11:13their
01:11:14first
01:11:14phase
01:11:14and then
01:11:15they're
01:11:15put the
01:11:15second
01:11:16phase
01:11:16so
01:11:16we're
01:11:16saying
01:11:17wait
01:11:17until the
01:11:17whole
01:11:17study
01:11:18is
01:11:18complete
01:11:18plus
01:11:19what's
01:11:20the
01:11:20hurry
01:11:20you can't
01:11:21sell
01:11:21anything
01:11:21nobody's
01:11:23going to
01:11:23buy your
01:11:23condos
01:11:24even as
01:11:24you build
01:11:25them
01:11:25in fact
01:11:26some of
01:11:27them
01:11:27as I said
01:11:27have gone
01:11:28bankrupt
01:11:28already
01:11:29so we're
01:11:29saying
01:11:29the market
01:11:30is there
01:11:31that has
01:11:32collapsed
01:11:32we need
01:11:34the study
01:11:34we need
01:11:35the infrastructure
01:11:35so what's
01:11:36the hurry
01:11:37but we
01:11:38need
01:11:38you
01:11:39to say
01:11:39that
01:11:40and let
01:11:41them know
01:11:42that
01:11:42you're
01:11:43supportive
01:11:44of a
01:11:44pause
01:11:44so yeah
01:11:45you can
01:11:45build
01:11:45the
01:11:46housing
01:11:46but
01:11:46please
01:11:47wait
01:11:47until
01:11:49we have
01:11:51some
01:11:51realistic
01:11:51idea
01:11:52what
01:11:53schools
01:11:53we need
01:11:54what we
01:11:55do
01:11:56about
01:11:56traffic
01:11:56here
01:11:56what we
01:11:57do
01:11:57about
01:11:57sewers
01:11:58we'll
01:12:00need
01:12:00a new
01:12:00police
01:12:00station
01:12:01we'll
01:12:01need
01:12:02a double
01:12:02sized
01:12:02police
01:12:03station
01:12:03and
01:12:03we
01:12:04told
01:12:04the
01:12:04province
01:12:04that
01:12:05listen
01:12:05you're
01:12:06going to
01:12:06have to
01:12:06build
01:12:06another
01:12:07police
01:12:07station
01:12:07that's
01:12:08okay
01:12:08so
01:12:09these
01:12:09are
01:12:09the
01:12:10arguments
01:12:11we're
01:12:11making
01:12:12for the
01:12:12pause
01:12:13and
01:12:15they
01:12:15can
01:12:15give
01:12:15details
01:12:16but
01:12:16we
01:12:16need
01:12:17to
01:12:17support
01:12:17and
01:12:18work
01:12:18with
01:12:18I
01:12:19know
01:12:19it's
01:12:20hard
01:12:21to
01:12:21understand
01:12:22because
01:12:22this
01:12:22is
01:12:22there's
01:12:25been
01:12:25so
01:12:25many
01:12:25complex
01:12:26use
01:12:26legislation
01:12:27even
01:12:27two
01:12:29months
01:12:30ago
01:12:30here's
01:12:30the
01:12:30latest
01:12:31thing
01:12:31that
01:12:31was
01:12:31passed
01:12:32bill
01:12:3217
01:12:33bill
01:12:3417
01:12:35that
01:12:35they
01:12:36voted
01:12:36for
01:12:36you're
01:12:37at
01:12:37the
01:12:37vote
01:12:37for
01:12:38you
01:12:39said
01:12:40shadow
01:12:41studies
01:12:41no longer
01:12:43should be
01:12:44considered
01:12:44in any
01:12:45development
01:12:45application
01:12:46approvals
01:12:47not even
01:12:48shadow
01:12:49studies
01:12:49can be
01:12:50considered
01:12:51now
01:12:51because
01:12:52the bill
01:12:5417
01:12:55bill after
01:12:56bill gets
01:12:57passed
01:12:57where they
01:12:58keep restricting
01:12:59people's right
01:13:00to have a
01:13:01say
01:13:01and they
01:13:02keep
01:13:02making it
01:13:02easier
01:13:03for
01:13:03development
01:13:03and all
01:13:04the bills
01:13:05are called
01:13:05building
01:13:06faster
01:13:07faster
01:13:07housing
01:13:08faster
01:13:08faster
01:13:09faster
01:13:09the ironic
01:13:11thing is
01:13:12the province
01:13:13of Ontario
01:13:14with all
01:13:15its changes
01:13:16is the last
01:13:17in Canada
01:13:18building
01:13:18housing
01:13:19because
01:13:20the market
01:13:21has collapsed
01:13:22but anyways
01:13:23thank you for
01:13:24listening
01:13:24I appreciate
01:13:25your attention
01:13:26because it
01:13:27is
01:13:27again
01:13:28a very
01:13:28difficult
01:13:30topic
01:13:31but on the
01:13:32other hand
01:13:32I didn't
01:13:33really appreciate
01:13:34you listening
01:13:34thank you
01:13:35very much
01:13:35we have
01:13:42about 20
01:13:42minutes
01:13:42remaining
01:13:43for the
01:13:44session
01:13:44enough time
01:13:46we're going
01:13:46to invite
01:13:46city staff
01:13:48from various
01:13:49departments
01:13:50to come
01:13:50to the
01:13:50station
01:13:51tables
01:13:51to receive
01:13:53more focused
01:13:55feedback
01:13:55and comments
01:13:56from the
01:13:56public
01:13:56we have
01:13:58again
01:13:58three stations
01:13:59station
01:14:00one
01:14:00over here
01:14:01density
01:14:03development
01:14:03public
01:14:05life
01:14:05station
01:14:06two
01:14:07mobility
01:14:08traffic
01:14:09impacts
01:14:09and station
01:14:10three
01:14:10parks
01:14:11open
01:14:12space
01:14:12and
01:14:12environment
01:14:13are
01:14:15home
01:14:15here
01:14:16here
01:14:17to
01:14:18see
01:14:18you
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