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00:01:34and boom we're on and today's guest we've got andrew loney andrew how are we i'm very good thanks

00:01:52you've just released a book that's making waves all around the world that's got media headlines

00:01:57i'm going to promote your book straight away which is entitled the rising fall of the house of york

00:02:02about prince andrew fergie epstein glenn maxwell a lot of information being put out against these

00:02:09people over the last few years and listen it takes a lot of courage and balls to go against

00:02:14these sort of people i believe they can be dangerous in their own way but there just seems so much

00:02:20media attention behind it i've had paul page on kind of exposing andrew i've had lady victoria on

00:02:27taking sides with him so it'll be interesting to see your side and your book which was bestseller

00:02:33first where can people buy your book well i mean any hopefully any bookshop hopefully uh amazon uh

00:02:40uh you know it should should be should be easy to get a lot of interesting stuff i've covered these

00:02:45stories for many years now and it's always good to get new information i found out a lot of new

00:02:51information that we will touch on but before we get into everything andrew i always like to go back to

00:02:55the start with my guests get more of a bit of understanding about you where you grew up how it

00:03:00all began uh well i grew up in africa my father was scotch scottish my mother's french uh and he was

00:03:08working in uh in africa and then i lived in bermuda uh and then uh we came back and i was in i was just

00:03:16telling your colleague i i went to school in edinburgh uh and uh then i went to uh i went to edinburgh

00:03:23university and then i came south and i've worked in publishing for the last 40 years and written books

00:03:28on the side so i started off writing a literary biography then i wrote books on spies and then the

00:03:33last three books including this one have been about the royal family and i sort of picked the royal

00:03:37family because they're i like writing about rogues um they're dysfunctional they're interesting

00:03:43they're actually huge interest and actually most books on the royal family don't really get to the

00:03:48nub of the the the story i mean they're they're pretty hagiographic and they're sort of written on

00:03:53news cuts and what i try and do is do really dig deep in terms of research find people to talk to

00:03:59look at documents and try and present a slightly different view uh and if you've had paul page

00:04:05attacking uh andrew and you've had victoria harvey defending him i'm the sort of neutral one in the

00:04:10middle i've i've tried to be as fair and balanced as i can but it's a pretty damaging uh book uh i mean

00:04:16it shows that andrew is pretty corrupt and supported by most of the royal family we know

00:04:21same with with fergie they were making money by monetizing their position in the royal family

00:04:26but it's also a story of uh their marriage and and and i think what surprises people is there they

00:04:32are still living together 30 years after they got divorced so um i think what i'm also trying to do

00:04:38in these books is to uh show when they're establishing cover-ups and to show when history

00:04:45is being censored and the narrative is being curated by rich and powerful people and to get below that

00:04:50and to expose that and to speak truth to power see i always thought these people were so connected

00:04:56where they run the media also were not many stories negatively get put out against these people but

00:05:03the last few years has totally changed my mind on that especially with andrew's interview he should

00:05:08have never done it and just sort of the media going after the royal family the breakup of william and

00:05:13harry the queen dying it wasn't a positive time like i thought they would have full control

00:05:18like how do you what's the sort of route you have to go down to to write against the royal family

00:05:25basically what's the legal kind of thing there's a many things in place well to write about the royal

00:05:30family because um you know they have ndas with members of staff uh there's no there's a parliamentary

00:05:36uh um uh sort of um uh pattern of not actually asking questions about the royal family they're not

00:05:43part of the freedom of information act uh you know people who know them tend to keep very quiet

00:05:49uh and not want to talk about their relationship with them so it's quite difficult there are no

00:05:53documents uh so you know you've got to to really dig quite hard uh and the the cuts aren't always

00:05:59accurate so i approached about 3 000 people i think about a tenth of those responded i think i've got

00:06:05about a hundred interviews on the record in the book so it's it's quite difficult um but once you

00:06:11know i've got some good people people who serve with with andrew in the navy people who work with

00:06:15him when he was a special trade envoy school friends of him and fergie so eventually i got a lot of people

00:06:21more than i think any other book has managed on the royals how much research did that how long did that

00:06:26take it's four years of research so i had about 12 lever arch files of of material on them i had

00:06:31literally almost a day-by-day account of their lives going back to the 1960s so i could really tell what

00:06:37was happening at any time who they met um uh and what they were up to i mean clearly a lot of the

00:06:43stuff you know it goes under the radar you don't know what they're doing but you know by doing some

00:06:47by by doing some interviews with people who knew them quite well i was able to sort of fill in the

00:06:51gaps that's a great journalist for me someone who takes their time i interview people there's not much

00:06:57research there because i don't have all the information within 24 hours someone can message me

00:07:03i've got this information a podcast it could be utter shite or it could be 100 accurate but i think

00:07:09to go down that route of taking your time 12 months three years four years to find out exactly the

00:07:16information good and bad i think is important well i've tried to be as fair as i can um but as you say

00:07:22it's difficult to get the information but i've everything had to be sort of double sourced i had

00:07:26to get people to sign off saying that it was accurate i mean clearly there are legal problems when you

00:07:30write about contemporaries uh people who are still living so yeah you know there's a lot of stuff

00:07:35that we had to take out for legal reasons or because i just couldn't support it with with for example two

00:07:41people's testimony so let's go back to andrew's life the start of his life as a kid what was it like

00:07:47well he's born in 1960 a few months after fergie he's uh the queen's third child the second son he's

00:07:55comes 10 years after princess anne he's kind of part of a second family the queen is a bit more relaxed by

00:08:00then she spends a bit more time with him she kind of spoils him so he has no boundaries

00:08:05he has very little discipline he's a very naughty boy very boisterous mischievous uh and i think in

00:08:11some ways he's he's the the man is very like the child i mean he's been used to getting away with

00:08:16things and not being told off uh he thinks he's he's pretty arrogant he's not very bright uh he feels

00:08:23uh very entitled uh he's a he's a prince he can do what he wants uh and that attitude has really

00:08:29followed him all the way through his life see it's funny because even when i watched the interview

00:08:34that's exactly how my words aren't very articulate i don't have the vocabulary but that's how i would

00:08:39describe him you know as if the world owes him something as if the other people are stupid when he

00:08:44was doing that interview yeah yeah it's like he's speaking as if people are thick that can't see

00:08:50through bullshit because he's probably had it all his own way his whole life or nobody's ever

00:08:55questioned him so when he's speaking he's thinking they're going to do the exact same but the thing

00:08:59about the uk public we're very switched on yeah we're very switched on we can smell bullshit we're

00:09:04very we're working class people we can see things differently so it's he's not at that level and it's

00:09:11mad to think that he ever done that interview which we'll touch on one of the things you've got in

00:09:16your book is prince andrew lost his virginity at 11 that's very young yeah even in today's

00:09:22standards with even back then is very young even today you've got a lot of young kids everybody a

00:09:28lot of people are sexually active in schools you've got porn everywhere but for then it seems very young

00:09:33especially for royalty what's the story when prince andrew lost his virginity well it's a story i sort of

00:09:38hesitated about putting in i wasn't sure it was true i was worried it might not be true because it

00:09:42seems so amazing but it came from a member of his own staff uh in fact i had some people who were at

00:09:48school with him who had similar sorts of stories and i think it's what appears to have happened is

00:09:53the father of a friend of his took him off to a brothel uh and sort of inducted him into sex i mean

00:09:59uh it's sort of a form of abuse and you can understand that with it with a girl for example but

00:10:04it's very odd to see that for a man or boy but i think it kind of explains you know what i see as a

00:10:10sex addiction i mean he's constantly needs sex it's a bit like epstein this constant search for

00:10:16gratification and i think that possibly comes from this experience at the age of 11 yeah that is abuse

00:10:22to take a young kid that i love in to a brothel to have sex like that is wrong on so many levels but

00:10:29it does explain a lot it does make sense why the name randy andy comes in you know but what about

00:10:35the sex abuse was prince andrew sexually abused well i mean i think i did a book on lord mountbatten

00:10:41who his uh is his great uncle and he was a pedophile uh and he was abused as a child and i i suspect

00:10:50that you know there is a similar similar pattern here with andrew that you know something clearly

00:10:55happened as a young boy that that has shaped his his sexual tastes his sexual behavior as an adult

00:11:01but you know if he was to do a really honest interview on news night then that would be very

00:11:05interesting to discover yeah it's sad as well though if he thinks he's been abused because the

00:11:11stats are now it's one in three who have been abused become abusers themselves the stats are pretty high

00:11:16what was it like at school well he's very lazy he's not very bright uh he he kind of got other people

00:11:23to do the work for him he's quite a good sportsman um went to gordonston where the other members of the

00:11:28royal family had gone where his father had gone but a pretty average student but he was as you say

00:11:33randy andy he was very popular with the girls he was very good looking uh king charles said he had

00:11:39the robert redford looks and actually we forget he was a very popular member of the royal family you

00:11:43know people would mob him rather than beatles he ever went to you know opening opening the christmas tree

00:11:48lights at oxford circus and stuff so you know it's it's sad to see how he's fallen from grace because

00:11:54he was seen as you know the great white hope yeah but yeah when you say falling from grace as a big

00:12:00fall that he's had so what was his steps then after school so after school he wanted to join the navy he

00:12:07wasn't very academic he trained as a pilot in the air and the fleet air arm quite soon after he joined

00:12:12in 1979 the falklands came along in 1982 he was sent down to the falklands to guard the aircraft carrier

00:12:19invincible as one of the sea king pilots he had a pretty good war he he did his bit he didn't see

00:12:27frontline fighting but he was back there guarding the aircraft carrier checking for submarines

00:12:31trying to uh do the decoy work on the exoset missiles uh doing a lot of what we call the milk run

00:12:38taking um post and and and troops between ships but you know he was working in dangerous conditions

00:12:44it was dark um and you know accidents happened uh and you know according to people i talked to

00:12:51he he he did did what was required of him and i think it shows that when he's focused and given

00:12:56the purpose he he can rise to the occasion so he was a world hero well i wouldn't say he was a great

00:13:03hero i mean he was like all you know all the people went down to the falklands they did their bit

00:13:07um uh and they were brave and you know professional uh and um you know i think he deserves some respect

00:13:14for that so when did they come back from the falklands what was his life then did they come

00:13:18back a hero did the the media portray him as this war hero even though it's bare minimum to become a

00:13:25hero he's not as if he's frontline yeah he went gallery rewards and things yeah yeah well they came

00:13:29back in the autumn of 1982 and that sort of is the high point i mean he's he's as you say he's kind

00:13:34of fated as a war hero clearly the press make a big thing of it the palace of course used this very much

00:13:40as a uh as a useful way of making the monarchy seem more attractive but he begins to you know

00:13:46he's he's got these flaws in his character and these begin to come through so he becomes

00:13:50he gets involved for example with one called vicky hodge in a very public affair when he's in

00:13:55barbados uh he he turns a paint gun on um journalists causing lots of damage doing that just for fun

00:14:02and soon he becomes quite an unpopular figure um but not that unpopular you know by 1986 when he meets

00:14:09fergie introduced by diana they um have this very very quick courtship and he's still a pretty

00:14:15popular figure i mean people you know lots of people watch the wedding i think there were millions

00:14:20watched on tv um so you know in some ways his fall for grace was quite gradual um but uh and of course

00:14:27he was always away in the navy so of course that made his relationship with fergie difficult

00:14:32he wanted to come back at weekends and just relax watch tv and play golf she wanted to party

00:14:38so the marriage you know quickly got into difficulties and they've soon began to have

00:14:42affairs um and i suppose the the best known episode is when uh she was caught with a financial advisor

00:14:49having her toe sucked in the south of france and i think when the queen saw this which made huge

00:14:53newspaper headlines she said look you know enough's enough you you you need to separate so they actually

00:14:59only had six years before they separated ten years before they got divorced um and that's why you

00:15:05i think it's a slightly strange situation because they still live together uh in royal lodge uh and

00:15:10she describes her themselves as the happiest divorced couple ever uh but actually their marriage only

00:15:16lasted a few years could they potentially still been with each other but they just portrayed themselves

00:15:22as being single i think they like to be single i think you know both of them quite like her she likes

00:15:28being part of the royal family which is why she's never really left uh the royal family she's never

00:15:32let go of andrew uh she's made him feel very guilty for being a bad husband uh and i think he likes the

00:15:39idea of being able to play the field but still be the doting father and husband so it's a system that

00:15:43clearly works for them both uh and they remain good friends i think they were good parents uh it's

00:15:49slightly slightly hard for other people to imagine but both had lots and lots of lovers um uh but that's a

00:15:55very sort of aristocratic thing royal thing did figure have a lot of lovers uh yes she did yes

00:16:01did she a lady of the mate was she well i don't know if she was lady of the night but there's certainly

00:16:06and i list them in the book i mean she was very attractive always attracted to quite rich people

00:16:10often attracted to americans uh but she was involved with an italian count with the man who ran finder's

00:16:17foods uh with a young uh film entrepreneur uh with uh a texan tex billionaire so i mean she's she's had

00:16:26a lot of relationships i mean even even with the brother of her best friend who died when she was

00:16:31quite young so i mean we don't really hear about them but um we hear about uh andrew's affairs and

00:16:38there have been dozens and dozens of them from short to short sort of one night stands to slightly more

00:16:42sustained relationships and actually what's interesting about his relationships is they're often with

00:16:47highly intelligent successful women that you wouldn't think would be interested in him but i

00:16:51think you know clearly people like to you know to to say that they went out with a prince yeah i think

00:16:56it's the power thing i think it's the prince thing you could look like the worst person in the world but

00:17:01sort of having that prince and royalty we know yes we know now the amount of girls who sell themselves

00:17:07short to sit in a yacht or sit in that fancy car or the big house where the the fat husband goes out

00:17:13and does his thing women have lost a lot of respect for themselves nowadays they're not lady like and

00:17:18listen you don't have a lot a gentleman enemy any anymore either but it's funny to see royalty who

00:17:26should have a set standard who should lead by example who should be prim who should be proper

00:17:30who should have respect for themselves and others it just it feels as if the royal family's just

00:17:35completely falling apart

00:17:37well i think these two have fallen apart i mean clearly the other members of the royal family do

00:17:41their duty don't get into scandal you know have apparently happy marriages so you know i think of

00:17:47prince edward and sophie i mean prince william and catherine uh so i think that you know what strikes me is

00:17:53that what fergie and andrew have done is rather undermine the work that the other members of the royal

00:17:58family do the public duties that they do uh and they've kind of taken the mickey out of them by by

00:18:04basically just following whatever suits them and not following the uh any sense of public duty

00:18:10so who introduced fergie was it princess diana introduced fergie to prince andrew yeah so princess

00:18:16diana and uh fergie's mother was were at school together i think they're maybe related to each other

00:18:22they certainly were friends and i think diana could see that fergie wasn't uh very happy she had been

00:18:28in a long-term relationship with a much older man who didn't want to marry her called paddy mcnally

00:18:33andrew hadn't been allowed to marry the woman he wanted to the actress ku stark uh and diana thought

00:18:39they'd get on and they did they were you know physically attracted to each other they were

00:18:42uh had the same sense of humor ready to settle down uh and so actually you know when it started the

00:18:49marriage you know seemed to to be a good thing and i think everyone a bit like with megan markle and

00:18:53there are lots of parallels actually between megan markle and harry and andrew and fergie uh i mean

00:18:59in some ways fergie's been doing for 30 years what megan was hoping to do half in half out

00:19:04commercialize you know her raw position uh harry is the same as andrew you know within the district

00:19:10and the armed services he can be you know focused and do great things but when he's not not got that

00:19:16that that structure he can get up to all sorts of um you know bad behavior when did andrew when did

00:19:22the name brandy andy come about was that always there from a young age or was it not it was i

00:19:26mean from from the you know from a teenager uh he was known as randy andy as you say known as baby

00:19:32grumpling when he started i mean he was very sort of difficult child um but yeah i mean he he always

00:19:38was able to to attract you know girls and and and young women yeah he seemed a bit of a mummy's boy

00:19:44was that correct yeah well i mean he you know had a very close relationship with his mother

00:19:49he was the favorite of the queen and she was his great protector and i think one of the shocking

00:19:54things to find the book was that you know she protected him even when he was up to mischief so

00:19:58when he was doing some pretty corrupt things as a trade envoy uh even when scandals were emerging with

00:20:04with epstein you know she'd give him promotion make him vice admiral of the navy she'd sit beside him

00:20:09on the way to church showing that she believed him that she she had faith in him uh and i think a lot

00:20:15of people began to think well maybe you know the accusations made against him aren't fair if the

00:20:19queen is supporting him but in fact she kind of put the the her son and her own family ahead of the

00:20:25monarchy which i think may surprise some people when did his relationship with epstein start because

00:20:31people say it was the late 1990s but you're saying it was the early 1990s yeah according to his private

00:20:36secretary alistair watson who wrote a letter to the times uh the relationship began in the early 90s

00:20:42there's a guy called steve hoffenberg who was one of uh epstein's business associates also says

00:20:47beginning of the 1990s uh and andrew fergie both said that the relationship ended in 2010 2011 well

00:20:53it's now emerging one that andrew was in contact with epstein after that uh and i've shown that

00:21:01she was actually staying in epstein's flats you know as late as 2013 so i think we can't really take

00:21:07at face value anything that they say surely these people are vetted before they come around royally

00:21:13are they just so relaxed that they're around to be anyone allowed to be around anyone sure

00:21:19like when you look at the jimmy savile thing like it's it's mind blown to me that there's got to be

00:21:25some fuckery for these people to be allowed in this company same as epstein even when epstein was a

00:21:30maths teacher he was kicked out for abusing young girls so they've already got that before he was even

00:21:36charged surely they get vetted well you would think so you would think there would be due diligence they

00:21:40would pick up information after all people knew what fergie was like because her father was

00:21:45king charles's polo manager uh you know she moved in the same circles but uh i think you know andrew

00:21:51was keen to marry her and i think they tried to do what they could to sort of example there was some

00:21:55pretty incriminating picture new pictures of her which they kind of gathered up um i think they just

00:22:02hoped for the best and you know same with megan markle very hard to to prevent i mean they'd already

00:22:07prevented him from marrying uh coo stark it was going to be quite hard to prevent him from marrying

00:22:11uh fergie how did their relationship start epstein and prince andrew well it's a good question because

00:22:19i mean though we we we we know that they met in the early 1990s we don't know exactly how they met

00:22:24galane says that it was fergie who introduced them uh other people say that um uh they met through

00:22:31through i mean galane maxwell introduced andrew to to epstein so there's still quite a lot of research

00:22:36to be done about about that period um but um you know they were moving in the same social circles

00:22:43galane and fergie were sort of the great sort of um a society hostesses in new york in the 1990s so i

00:22:51suspect you know they the two of those met and because galane was was the girlfriend of epstein

00:22:56epstein was introduced to to fergie and then fergie introduced him to andrew and you know for epstein it

00:23:03was fantastic respectability status someone with some useful contacts and for andrew here was

00:23:09someone who again had good contacts who uh was rich and given a lifestyle that he couldn't perhaps

00:23:15afford himself you know he had this the ranch in new mexico he had the island and in the caribbean

00:23:21the biggest house in manhattan a huge uh house down in palm beach and in both fergie and andrew

00:23:29loved being with rich people and of course uh uh eventually epstein would would begin to pay

00:23:35andrew's bills or basically uh fergie's debts and provide him with a ready supply of young woman

00:23:41uh which is what andrew needed when we talk about young women how young

00:23:45well i mean the the most of them were in their early 20s um uh we don't know all the woman that

00:23:53he slept with i mean we know virginia jiffrey was 17 when she claimed she slept with him which isn't

00:23:59a crime if it was in the uk but there are pictures that the fingers can be pointed you've still got to

00:24:05address like yeah she was 17 yes it's young but it's still not a crime but i was going to say that

00:24:10there were also girls of 15 uh and one of i mean there's a lot of stuff i wasn't able to put in the

00:24:14book because we needed to get testimony from the girls to support it but there there's plenty of

00:24:18evidence that he was involved with girls that were a lot younger than 17. well yeah that's different

00:24:24then because even though when i interviewed paul page who was the bodyguard and yes he was at the

00:24:30he did say to be fair when prince andrew used to come in with girls girls used to come up to the gate

00:24:35and say his name he never ever seen any underage girls people talk about maybe tunnels under the

00:24:40buckingham palace or whatever i don't know but anybody can come in any i'd imagine if it was a younger

00:24:46kid they were poor with the skies that i try and take no i think the woman that he brought back to

00:24:51markian palace were you know in their early 20s or or older and i mean he he has dated women the same

00:24:56age as him but it was certainly when he was abroad in places like kazakhstan uh and libya he was was

00:25:02involved with much younger girls how young well i know of some of 15 there could have been some younger

00:25:08the the the people that were being trafficked um by uh epstein to the island uh he worked through a man

00:25:15called john luc brunel who ran a model agency in france and a lot of these girls from france and

00:25:19particularly from russia many of whom didn't speak any english were you know 12 13 14 that sort of age

00:25:25how did epstein actually get his money i've interviewed people who says he befriended a

00:25:31billionaire who was dying he kind of gave him his wealth people say epstein worked with the cia

00:25:36and they were saying he was working with a lot of not an accountant but he was managing a lot of

00:25:43people's money he was managing a lot of people's wealth yeah it's a good question i mean no people

00:25:46don't really know i mean he was a failed he was sacked as a math teacher he worked uh in the city

00:25:51for a big company called bear bear stearns and got sacked there i think he made some very useful

00:25:56connections there's some suggestion that he uh met robert maxwell and robert maxwell used uh basically

00:26:03epstein to hide his money um before his death which is the link then with gillane uh he seems to

00:26:09become friendly with this man called lex lex wexner who gave him power of attorney gave him

00:26:14basically handed him his house uh very strange lex wexner is still alive now in his 90s but why he

00:26:21this very successful billionaire should should should trust um epstein is very odd this talk of him being

00:26:28a bounty hunter for people chasing down monies that were owed uh he seems to have been infected for us

00:26:33or investment advisor to people and made money for people he knew he was very very uh mathematically

00:26:40gifted and he seemed to be able to work out algorithms uh in in business and in in finance

00:26:46but no one really knows the story and you know uh whether we will ever know now that he's dead is is

00:26:51is a moot point yeah money laundering is well was one of the things that people says

00:26:56it's just interesting how the relationship even started when did gillane maxwell come into the

00:27:02picture because i've heard that prince andrew was also having a relationship with gillane

00:27:08yes i mean uh well some people say that gillane and andrew met in the 1980s i think it's more likely

00:27:14in the 1990s but they did have an on-off relationship a business relationship and a sexual relationship it

00:27:20was one of the things that epstein got a bit of a kick from that his girlfriend was also sleeping

00:27:24with prince andrew so there was some very strange sexual dynamics going on um i think gillane was

00:27:31desperately in love with epstein he clearly you know made her a kept woman she in return was basically

00:27:37his chief procurer for young girls his sort of office manager um and she did a lot of business deals

00:27:44for example with andrew so it was a very tight little group uh the three of them because we talk about

00:27:50like jimmy savills and the epsteins even the p diddy's they talk about p diddy having a lot of

00:27:56video footage it's like these people have got leverage over someone they've put people in

00:28:01compromised positions was and prince andrew's an easy target if he's a sex addict and you've got a lot

00:28:07of women on the go who can then come to prince andrew he's just going to come back for more he seems

00:28:12too thick to not see the bigger picture or the patterns or it seems you could manipulate him

00:28:19very easy that's what i get from him yeah absolutely i mean i think in uh you know we just don't know

00:28:25what secrets he's given away and indeed perhaps fergie as well you know in return for these large sums

00:28:29of money she was given uh but uh he was compromised by lots of people not just by epstein who had

00:28:35cameras and in all his homes and would have these honey traps he would you know be filming people with

00:28:40these young girls which clearly was against the law but but when he went abroad on these trips in

00:28:45kazakhstan and libya and china he was all for russia he was also being filmed so uh and all that stuff

00:28:52must be somewhere and may well one day emerge on the internet see that man is it wex lesna uh les

00:28:59wexner yes wexner do you think he could have also been put in a compromised position maybe epstein was

00:29:04giving him girls and then he's used it as blackmail to get these properties and get all this money

00:29:08because no one just hands their money over well exactly that's one of the great mysteries uh lex

00:29:13wexner was a secret uh homosexual uh so it would have been young boys that might have been provided

00:29:19so uh that's certainly a possibility um that that you know he certainly you know what epstein did was

00:29:26he traded information he blackmailed people he picked up information he swapped it he reported back to a

00:29:33whole series of of uh of organizations mossad uh it's it said now he was a cia informant um you know

00:29:41this information was currency for him and he would use it however it best suited him do you think he's

00:29:48seen fair game prince andrew as an easy target then absolutely i mean people described it like a

00:29:53rattlesnake and a mouse i mean uh andrew uh you know was set up time and time again including the

00:29:59walk in central park you know that epstein knew the paparazzi were outside that if he went for a walk

00:30:05with andrew it would sort of reinforce to the world that you know andrew was still there he was still

00:30:11his friend um and that would be very useful to him is there any information on why andrew went to

00:30:18that mean well i mean there are lots of explanations i mean he went i think looking for some more money

00:30:23for fergie he went ostensibly to say goodbye but i mean he spent five days doing that uh he certainly

00:30:29had some business uh um things he wanted to do particularly through casanova's the bank uh so

00:30:35the stockbroker so uh you know it was there were several purposes to it but uh you know if you want

00:30:41to say goodbye he could easily have done that over the phone or email why would prince andrew not have

00:30:45his own money and fergie being roy way well i mean they do have money and they've made money um over

00:30:52the years um but the thing is they're pretty greedy they get they're pretty extravagant they go through

00:30:57more money than perhaps can bring in uh and they're constantly looking for fresh opportunities to make

00:31:03money you know however much money they've got so um you know epstein provided some of these

00:31:08opportunities and contacts so that's just greed it's greed yeah absolutely and they've given away

00:31:14valuable information possibly from the uk to these bigger countries say they're not oh china russia

00:31:20possibly mossad is that a possibility we're giving yes we don't we don't know what information they

00:31:26gave but uh and what the deal was i mean epstein must have expected something back for paying off fergie's

00:31:31debts um and we do know from you know a whole range of sources that andrew was compromised that there

00:31:37is incriminating footage of him you know in bed with women uh possibly younger younger woman so um

00:31:45yeah i mean how has he been compromised what what has he told people i mean he was in the minister

00:31:50defense he would have picked up information as a trade envoy particularly doing things like arm sales

00:31:54he would have been aware of family gossip for example so you know who knows what uh what information

00:32:01he's passed on how much debt did they pay off for fergie's well i think the sums generally talked

00:32:07about her about five million pounds how's a lot of money run up so much debt well she you know very

00:32:13extravagant she she um had expensive rents for extensive staff she traveled widely and expensive uh

00:32:20you know always went first class business class she stayed in five-star hotels she gave away lots of

00:32:26presence um you know i think you know she was it was quite easy to go through a lot of sums of money

00:32:32and because it was coming in quite easily you know working at weight watchers or or she was uh

00:32:37promotioning wedgwood china because the money came easily she thought that it was going to carry on like

00:32:42that but she made some bad business decisions um one of the companies she set up sort of went bust

00:32:47and and there was a bit of a spiral there but i think one of the sad things is that you know she didn't

00:32:52pay a lot of her bills she didn't pay lawyers she didn't pay the news agents butchers people who

00:32:57who'd lent her money and so time and time again she was being taken to court uh for not settling her

00:33:03bills yeah it just seems all it seems very messy with this law it doesn't seem nothing's plain sailing

00:33:10nothing's well organized just seems all dark very little vibrational so what happens then after

00:33:15the 90s when they sort of epstein and andrew meet fergie they get divorced pretty soon they get

00:33:23divorced in 96 10 years after they get married so what happens then early 2000s well i mean he's out

00:33:31of the navy he leaves the navy at the beginning of 2001 he's got as far as he's going to going to get

00:33:36people feel they've got to give him a job uh and so he's made this trade envoy the belief is that members

00:33:43or family might be able to for example to persuade rulers in the middle east or others to do things

00:33:48that the perhaps politicians couldn't do uh and i think he goes into it with with the best of

00:33:53intentions but quite quickly he gets corrupted he can seize opportunities to make money for himself

00:33:58he gets lazy he sees it as an opportunity to meet girls and play golf uh there's no proper supervision

00:34:04of him uh the the the the the structure is he's sort of reporting to the foreign office to the

00:34:10department of trade and industry to the palace and as a result you know he's not reporting to anyone

00:34:14uh and and that's just put complaints in saying this is a waste of time he's often counterproductive

00:34:20uh and they don't really want to see him but uh if they do that you know they often find their

00:34:26careers are penalized so they begin to say nothing and so he kind of gets away with it he knows he's

00:34:32protected and he just begins to take advantage of the situation how many scandals have been out

00:34:37about plans andrew oh and there doesn't i mean that when you read the book you'll find there's

00:34:43almost something on every page whether it's air miles andy choosing to go by helicopter rather than

00:34:48the car uh or randy andy with all these women uh that he's involved with often uh basically bypassing

00:34:56any security concerns or he's involved in dodgy deals between you know dictators uh trying to take a

00:35:03cut um you know that they're countless and you know he should have been shut down much earlier

00:35:08people were complaining you know literally a year after he started as trade envoy and yet he was

00:35:13allowed to continue for 10 years doing it how do you shut down someone though from the royal family

00:35:18well i think he could have been sacked as trade envoy which is what happened eventually um uh he could

00:35:24have had been disciplined i mean it's odd that prince philip for example didn't read him the right act

00:35:29uh he could have been much more supervised so he didn't for example uh use his time when he was abroad

00:35:35to see prostitutes and play golf uh you know there are a lot of things that could be done but

00:35:39people kind of washed their hands of him and and he was able then to get up to whatever he wanted to

00:35:44do what about the story with the 40 ghettos in the hotel room well i think one of the places he used

00:35:50to go and do a lot of his is playing should we say was in thailand uh and uh i think it's 2004 he went

00:35:57off for the celebrations for the king of thailand he he stayed for four days he had 40 prostitutes

00:36:03brought into him in that space of time also doing official duties he had his half thai girlfriend

00:36:10sonia cooling also there uh and i think people were pretty shocked i had uh both a diplomat uh a local

00:36:16journalist and a member of the thai royal family uh just you know describe what what went on there

00:36:23what a greedy bastard 40 girls you know all the ones ones hard work you know i was saying never

00:36:31mind 40 like does that then show you how much of kind of perverted like people listen i've not i'm

00:36:38not asked about people having orgies or sex parties or having multiple girls but like having 40 girls

00:36:45and then it's the underage girls this is a massive concern like these people are freaky you tend to see

00:36:50a lot of people who've got too much money too much power they don't know where they can get that next

00:36:55thrill and you'll tend to see that's when they do the dark stuff that's when you do the right

00:36:59i think that's right i mean i think you're looking for the next the next big thing and i think epstein

00:37:04took advantage of that and epstein of course had his own taste for young girls so i mean the two became

00:37:09sort of partners in crime uh you know we have witnesses uh with andrew on the island with young girls

00:37:15including possibly virginia jiffray so i mean when people concentrate on the photograph and and the

00:37:21visit to tramp there's plenty of other evidence linking andrew with young girls and indeed with

00:37:25virginia jiffray and i've certainly you know know of several women who were sleeping with andrew who

00:37:31were pretty young how many times was andrew on the island well we certainly have one episode uh

00:37:39um uh the information comes from the flight logs of the of one of of epstein's jets but there were

00:37:45other jets that we don't have the flight logs for uh not uh there's there's a reference to an ap

00:37:51uh which could be andrew uh here which we don't know so he wasn't there were often code code names used

00:37:58so um we we don't know but i mean certainly there's there are a lot of witnesses who saw him on the

00:38:04island uh and we we have gaps in his schedule where he could have been at the island he actually for

00:38:09example delayed going on holiday with his family in in the bahamas in order to stay longer uh on the

00:38:16island with epstein well why would these people in high profile places even write down on a flight log

00:38:22you know why would they keep names on a flight log especially if they were up to no good you know well

00:38:27remember that epstein was keeping these records epstein you know had needed these records he was going to

00:38:32blackmail people it was all part of collecting information he could use against them uh i think

00:38:37i think it is pretty standard to for when you when you um file your flight plan that the uh flight uh

00:38:44the the aircraft uh controllers know how many people for example on the plane and who they are

00:38:49so i don't think that's that surprising uh but it has been a very useful source for for journalists and me

00:38:55what about bill clinton so you're not there like 16 or 26 times yes bill clinton is certainly you know

00:39:00on the flight logs and uh certainly quite a lot of uh evidence showing that he went to the island and

00:39:05he was involved i mean he you know and had dinner with epstein clinton's excuse is that he this was

00:39:11all to do with some of his foundations it was all highly professional there were secret service people

00:39:15there um but you know there's one you know rather odd picture of him uh having a massage by a woman

00:39:22called ashanta davis so um uh and certainly a number of people including virginia jiffray have

00:39:29said that clinton was was was one of the people who was benefiting from these girls being sent

00:39:34because when you look at the clintons the amount of people who have died who work for them

00:39:39you're talking 20 30 40 people it's a lot of numbers

00:39:43yes i mean you know clearly there's been a lot of controversy and scandal around the clintons and and

00:39:48uh what's interesting is how they've managed to shut the story down it everything's been focused

00:39:52on people like andrew and we haven't really uh heard about the some of the americans i mean

00:39:57richard branson's been named george mitchell who's an american politician um uh peter mandelson

00:40:04clearly has has now just been outed so there are many more names uh you know which i hope will come

00:40:10out but which haven't so far how the fuck is stephen hawk in there like that's if he's there

00:40:15and they're getting underage girls for him like that's fucking weird man well i mean you know we

00:40:21don't know what what happened with stephen hawken uh certainly uh epstein had this great interest in

00:40:26science so a lot of scientists went on these trips and so it may be an entirely innocent and that's

00:40:31one of his tricks that he kind of cloaked a lot of this stuff that was under the radar with stuff that

00:40:36appeared to be you know completely legitimate yeah that's the sad thing because a lot of these people

00:40:43getting caught up in these scandals getting photos with jimmy sav or a repstein like i says earlier

00:40:48to a guest if p diddy offered me to a party two years ago three years ago i would have went because

00:40:54i'm thinking networking business not really knowing what's going on you get a photo with him and then

00:40:58scandals break four or five years later it doesn't mean you want to distance yourself yeah but it doesn't

00:41:03mean you're involved as well but it must be how he's manipulated that we're getting good people

00:41:10there as well that scientists and but then again with epstein's past if you're going to be friends

00:41:16with him then there's something not right either you know because it was well in the public domain

00:41:22sup with the devil you know the queen was you know dealing with the dodgy dictators and that you know

00:41:27because it was important for trade deals you know i think i suspect a lot of them felt well you know

00:41:32epstein's putting a lot of money into my foundation or my university or whatever uh and therefore i've just

00:41:38got to hold my nose and and uh hope this doesn't come out uh and just go along with him so one can

00:41:43see where they were coming from what about the painting with bold clinton well there were a lot

00:41:48of very strange you know bits of artwork in in uh the houses uh the picture of clinton in monica

00:41:54luwensky's dress the famous stained dress from the oral sex you know was a weird thing particularly

00:42:00if clinton was going there yeah i think there were nude pictures of gillaine maxwell and indeed other girls

00:42:04there um you know you couldn't have gone there and not realized it was very very strange and uh

00:42:10and and probably a bit dodgy what about the twin towers with george bush was that a fake photo was

00:42:17that real uh i don't know is there a picture yeah there's twin towers with george bush sitting at the

00:42:22twin towers with a paper plane well that's interesting uh i didn't know about that but yeah i mean you

00:42:28know uh epstein was very uh uh sort of inventive and and cheeky uh i think he liked being a disruptor

00:42:35so he he would have had some rather subversive images i suspect in the house uh i'm going to

00:42:41actually google that because you're very well informed so i don't want to put any garbage out there

00:42:47that's okay oh no i think it's i don't think he's at the twin towers is that for oh right gosh amazing

00:42:58yeah yeah i mean you know he had he was very close epstein to you know uh he had baruch um barack uh

00:43:04you know leaders in israel and clearly clinton um i mean you know world famous scientists i mean he had a

00:43:10whole network he collected people it was right things with bush holding the paper airplane which

00:43:15is really strange yeah you know yeah no no i mean you know epstein clearly you know trying to get inside

00:43:21his mind you know is is is difficult because i mean he clearly you know had these very strange ideas

00:43:27uh and you're right people should have perhaps you know run a mile but i think they probably thought

00:43:30it wouldn't come out uh i mean he had by this stage has served a year in prison uh as a convicted um

00:43:37for soliciting a young girl for prostitution so you know people should have been distancing themselves

00:43:43but i think you know he was a very generous host he was providing money for them uh contacts and i

00:43:48think people just turned a blind eye because the media post were from getting sent to prison it was

00:43:53very tiny it wasn't a big post it wasn't a two page page spread or front page it was very tiny because

00:43:59i don't think he had the media attention i don't think he was as popular but it was a very small print

00:44:04and the course exactly and when he went to prison he he actually came out for the day and could go

00:44:08to his office he was actually allowed to go to the island he only slept in the prison at night so

00:44:13it was like you know a premier inn so um yeah i think a lot of people who would have seen him in

00:44:18daily contact may not realize what happened i mean there'd been some publicity when he stood trial

00:44:23um uh so you know there was some coverage uh but you know people can choose to ignore things if it

00:44:30suits them how many times was prince andrew actually with epstein has anybody got a number

00:44:36no it's difficult to to evaluate i mean he he certainly stayed sufficiently often at the house

00:44:41in new york for a special suite of rooms called the britannia suite to be put aside for him

00:44:46uh we have let's say lots of witnesses seeing him at you know the ranch uh in palm beach and on the

00:44:53islands so uh you know andrew's pretended this was a pretty sort of um distant relationship but

00:44:59actually no they were very very close and i've got quotes in the book talking about how close that

00:45:04relationship was you know i think uh the the lines from epstein you know he was like you know a bit

00:45:08like with trump he's my best buddy uh you know he shares my interest in sex he's the king of kink

00:45:14um you know this this was the sort of discussion you might have about someone you're pretty close to

00:45:19rather than a casual friend yeah because even the meetings that's not including the phone calls

00:45:24the emails the text messages you don't know what's getting exchanged well i mean there are 18 numbers

00:45:30for fergie in the black book 16 for andrew so i mean you know that they there must have been quite

00:45:34a lot of communication uh we hopefully will have the release of the epstein paper soon and the talk of

00:45:41it you know hundreds of references to andrew there you know depends what's been weeded out so

00:45:46i know i think that we've we've got some of the witnesses uh the victims prepared to go to

00:45:50capitol hill and make statements uh we've got virginia jiffrey's own book coming out next month so

00:45:55there's a lot of stuff that could come in that could make andrew's life pretty difficult and

00:45:59change kind of expose the lies that he's told could he go to prison well i think you know it's very

00:46:07unlikely that anyone would bring charges against him but i certainly think he's worth investigating

00:46:11but i think you know that people don't want to go there so they've used every excuse so far both

00:46:17the national crime agency and the metropolitan police to avoid doing anything which would kind of

00:46:22have an unequip unintended consequences shall we say and what about the letter fergie

00:46:28wrote to prince uh to epstein what was the letter that fergie wrote to epstein well i think that the line

00:46:34when uh uh in 2010 when andrew broke off with epstein was that you know we suddenly realized he's he's a

00:46:41pedophile we don't want anything more to do with him we're going to cut all our links uh and yet

00:46:46andrew was writing to him saying you know shall we play again in 2011 now this letter uh is from 2011

00:46:53from fergie uh it's a letter to him apologizing for being rude about him in public uh and saying you're

00:47:00my you know great friend and you know uh you're a victim of it like me of everything uh and basically

00:47:07let's be great friends so in public she's distancing herself and saying this is all from

00:47:12i have nothing more to do with him and in private she's actually saying absolutely the opposite

00:47:17and indeed i found that she was staying in nepstein's flats for many years after this so that doesn't

00:47:23suggest and this is for a woman who professes to be promoting uh children's books to be a great

00:47:30uh supporter of charities connected with young children you know this is a pretty toxic

00:47:38reputation to have uh if if on one side quietly you're actually basically supporting these people

00:47:45and in public you're saying you'll have nothing more to do with them and how was the relationship

00:47:50between epstein and glenn were they in a relationship lovers yes i think uh galen was the lover of epstein to

00:47:56start with um uh i think uh she then found that um you know he couldn't sustain a a a a normal

00:48:04relationship she did eventually move on to someone else but she remained as his sort of right-hand

00:48:10person and she was one of the people who helped recruit the girls she organized things she was a

00:48:16very sophisticated highly intelligent well-educated woman he was a rather gauche uh new yorker and so

00:48:23she was able to to allow him to punch above his weight in terms of of who he met because now we've

00:48:29got the epstein files that there was no flight logs and there was no this and they had no one working

00:48:33for them but glenn is doing 20 years in prison was she bringing young girls to these high profile names

00:48:41yes yes i mean she was you know they had a sort of ponzi scheme where you know she would recruit

00:48:45girls who would in turn would recruit other girls and you know there is a justifiable criticism of

00:48:50virginia jiffray that she wasn't entirely a victim she was also a a a predator but you know we've got

00:48:57to remember that these girls were very damaged they were very scared uh you know fergie was scared about

00:49:03a phone call i think what these poor girls uh who really had no support system around them they you

00:49:09know they weren't in touch with their families uh and and therefore entirely reliant on on epstein they

00:49:15kind of had to do as well so i think we need to give them a little bit of of um uh be a little

00:49:20generous towards them because you know clearly they some of them uh were were were not entirely

00:49:27innocent of of of of helping galane but galane was sort of at the top of the pile she was the kind

00:49:32of brains behind it she'd help fix girls for andrew actually when when they were in britain and now

00:49:38she just fixed girls slightly younger girls for for epstein how many charges did epstein eventually

00:49:45have well he was only actually charged with with assisting uh prostitution with a minor uh there

00:49:51were several a lot of other charges which he was let off one of the lines was that this man was

00:49:55involved in intelligence and therefore to give him an easy ride and that's the excuse that uh acosta gives

00:50:01so who knows whether there was some cover-up um or or there was genuine reasons to to um give them

00:50:08uh an easy ride uh and maybe these papers once they come out we'll we'll shed some light on that

00:50:14and who else was involved with febstein what other big names because you've got names like

00:50:19who's the actor you had chris tucker you had who was the guy steph that was unusual suspects with

00:50:26the peg leg can can well it was given kevin spez and spacey and you had a lot of big actors on those

00:50:32list as well but a lot of people says it was for charity work as well i'm a big fan of both great

00:50:37actors great movies but again if you fly more than once with epstein there's got to be alarm bells ringing

00:50:45yes i mean you know i think you know now when we look at the cold light of day and in hindsight you

00:50:50know a lot of these things look very suspicious and a lot of these people are not speaking which again is

00:50:55pretty suspicious uh so um as i say we can only hope that you know there will be more disclosures

00:51:01from legal documents from the epstein files from other witnesses and victims uh to try and give us

00:51:07a fuller picture of actually what happened i think you know proud andrew has kind of been the focus but

00:51:12there are clearly many many more names that uh should eventually emerge even if not it's not trump i

00:51:18mean trump clearly is is kind of taking himself out of all these files so i think it's very unlikely

00:51:23there'll be anything incriminating against him there do you think prince andrew's been through

00:51:27under the bus to deflect away from others yeah i think he was easy pickings you know he's low-hanging

00:51:34fruit he's not very bright not easy to to um uh uh it's unlikely he'll sue so um uh and i think

00:51:42he's just not very clever so other people have been much more adept at hiding their involvement

00:51:47or have got better lawyers to to see things off so what was prince andrew ever charged with with

00:51:54virginia guffley well andrew's never been charged with anything i mean people have asked for him to

00:51:58be investigated he's never even been investigated so at the moment we have a civil case which is brought

00:52:03by virginia giffray uh which is the one that he's settled uh and that's it um you know there could be

00:52:10grounds for a criminal case uh for sex trafficking even though she was 17. um there could be i i think

00:52:16that there are certainly grounds for some of his behavior um uh as a trade envoy where he seems to

00:52:23be taking bribes uh from companies nothing to do with british trade uh the the other area to look at

00:52:30is i mean a couple of court cases where he's emerged as having earned large sums of money which

00:52:34he can't explain away and people suspect as money laundering uh and he needs to make a statement he

00:52:40needs to explain where this money is coming from and why he was paid uh and that's true of fergie as

00:52:46well uh because the fact that they remain silent about these mysterious sums suggests that there's

00:52:51they're not entirely above board so how much did prince andrew actually pay out was it 12 million

00:52:57is that number yes various sums get thrown about 12 million dollars is is one of the the the more

00:53:02reputable sums why not take it through the kind of civil court why not take it through and and fight

00:53:08his name and fight his corner because as soon as you pay that no matter what why you pay that if you're

00:53:13innocent and don't want to the sort of heat from the media you're guilty in my eyes yeah well the line

00:53:19was it's the queen's platinum jubilee she didn't want it overshadowed by court cases and embarrassing

00:53:24headlines and it basically took a bullet for the firm but you know people will say well you know 12

00:53:30million pounds is a lot of money to spend just to you know for someone you didn't meet so i think

00:53:35you know most people think that there is something to the story and that he basically paid her hush

00:53:40money uh and it did shut it down for a while but of course you know there are always news disclosure

00:53:46disclosures coming forward um and so he hasn't been able to shut the case down because like you said

00:53:53prince andrew says he's never met this girl the fault was fake he doesn't sweat it was at pizza express

00:54:00like it was a lot of it was a lot of madness to it as if as this because i had lady victoria on who

00:54:06says the photo has been edited what is the truth with that photo in that house with glenn maxwell

00:54:11leaning against the wall well the truth is that the photo is absolutely accurate um there are 20 copies

00:54:17of it 19 of them people have seen the 20th is with the fbi who are perfectly happy with it it's numbered

00:54:23uh i lots of people saw the photo at the time it was taking including virginia's boyfriend at the

00:54:30time tony figuero her father sky roberts her best friend caroline andriamo so i mean this is stuff that

00:54:37i suspect victoria harvey doesn't talk about uh there wasn't the technology at the time to to adjust

00:54:42photos it's it's uh photo experts have looked at it uh and uh uh it's very clearly stamped by walmart

00:54:50three days later which is near near where she lived uh michael thomas who took the photos of the photo

00:54:57uh uh uh is a very reputable uh photojournalist who who has sworn that it was an original that he saw

00:55:04um the uh um uh woman called sandra white who was actually sent by the mail on sunday when

00:55:12charum churchill went down to find um virginia and this photo was literally produced out of the bookcase

00:55:18you know and it wasn't planted there uh sandra white who spent weeks with with virginia

00:55:23a pretty experienced journalist has no doubt that this photo is genuine uh that virginia

00:55:29jiffray is genuine you know the evidence of people like victoria harvey produce i have to say

00:55:34is pretty thin um uh and uh we also have testimony of andrew uh talking on emails with galane

00:55:42about about virginia jiffray how they're going to deal with her bringing in a pr firm to deal

00:55:47with her we have examples of the photo books in which andrew actually picked virginia jiffray

00:55:53and actually ordered her like you might order a pizza why would they take a photo why would they

00:55:58let the photo be taken well you know lots of people take photos take selfies um well why did

00:56:04they let it happen i think they didn't think it would ever emerge uh and if sharon churchill hadn't

00:56:09found virginia jiffray this story probably wouldn't have emerged you know try and put yourself in the

00:56:14position uh this is this young girl she's been tall she's going to meet a prince uh uh she's excited she

00:56:21wants a little souvenir to give her mum uh but uh it's it's the heat of the moment uh and no one

00:56:27thinks twice that this this photo is going to be incriminating anyway and it's not incriminating all

00:56:32it is is a picture of andrew with his hand around the waist of a girl uh what makes it incriminating

00:56:37is that andrew then denied this photo uh if you just said yes uh you know i met this girl uh she asked for

00:56:44a photo and i gave it to her full stop or uh actually yes you know i did meet her we went to

00:56:50bed but you know i'm a single man she's 17 i know it seems a bit sleazy but it's fine but he didn't he

00:56:57pretended he didn't know her when it was quite clear he did know her and there's plenty of evidence to

00:57:01support that and of course we have i think much more damning evidence in that picture of him saying

00:57:06goodbye the video of him saying goodbye to katherine keating at the door of the new yorker

00:57:11a townhouse you know and this is a very affectionate farewell from someone who's he's i think probably

00:57:17had more than a cup of coffee what about the the catalogue that you says glenn maxwell had the

00:57:23catalogue of women is that for people just to pick who they want like a prostitution ring yeah yeah so

00:57:29people could go through the photo book and decide who they wanted to have and then that was the girl

00:57:35that was that was trafficked you know otherwise it seems a bit of a a bit of a sort of tall order you

00:57:40know by chance she's taken there in the hope that she might appeal to andrew um this system is is is

00:57:47is you know is you know basically andrew chooses the one he fancies and she's brought to him when

00:57:53you say trafficked were these girls prostitutes or were they being forced to do this well a lot of the

00:57:58girls were young models who were promised that their careers could be uh helped uh trump ran a young

00:58:04model agency so did john brunel who provided a lot of the girls so did um epstein and lex wexner

00:58:10know victoria secret victoria secrets he so um these girls i think you know were kind of trapped

00:58:17i mean they were young they're away from home they often couldn't speak english uh they were uh

00:58:21perhaps having to accept that in order to get on in their careers they might have to do things they

00:58:26didn't feel very comfortable with so i don't think they were prostitutes i mean i think virginia

00:58:30jeffrey eventually became a sort of uh sort of trophy that uh epstein used uh with people like

00:58:38andrew um uh and you know the fact that she was then paid and rewarded for this but i think a lot

00:58:45of them were were young girls hoping to make a career and finding that actually they were they were

00:58:50sex slaves you know poor girls talk about being on the island and literally trying to escape by

00:58:55by swimming in shark infested waters this is not uh uh people who were shall we say very happy with

00:59:01their situation yeah because i think the word traffic gets thrown around too easy now where

00:59:05people are traffic but if they're young girls and they're being abused that's a different story you

00:59:11know but for other girls who are willing to sell their body you go to places like dubai or all these

00:59:17hot spots now there's prostitutes everywhere who are willingly willing to do that job to get their

00:59:22money and do what they can but you're saying a lot of these girls were traffic forced kind of put

00:59:27into a corner to then do what they're told yes you know a lot of them were came to say from jean-luc

00:59:33brunel's uh model agency they came from paris a lot of them came from russia um you know these were

00:59:38not professional escorts these were young girls uh who had trusted galane maxwell or or or the heads

00:59:46of these model companies thinking that they would promote their careers and they were just being used

00:59:50to service older men being groomed so when ebstein got sent to prison this the last time what was it

00:59:59in for that time well the the the he got off the charges most of the charges down in florida but

01:00:05eventually charges were brought to him on a federal basis in the court in new york so that in the summer

01:00:11of 2019 he was picked up and taken to prison and what we've got to remember is this was the whole

01:00:16beginning of the whole judicial process he'd actually managed to get away uh you know get out

01:00:21of all these problems in the past he had very good lawyers uh and i think he must have thought that he

01:00:27was going to get out this time which makes the the the his suicide seem very unusual and there are a lot

01:00:34of things uh that are unusual about it that the the cellmate who was there because he was on suicide

01:00:39watch was removed the guards fell asleep at a convenient time the cameras didn't work the

01:00:45man who did the autopsy and the the official autopsy is still secret but mark epstein his brother asked

01:00:51for a separate one from a very respected figure called michael baden who is the coroner for new york

01:00:57and he came to conclusion it was homicide rather than um suicide uh i've seen uh interviews with

01:01:03prisoners saying that you can't commit suicide in those cells with those sheets given the height of the beds

01:01:08so um you know and and most people from the lawyers sort of to all sorts of people uh don't feel that

01:01:15that epstein committed suicide i mean he had too much still to play for uh to give up

01:01:21what's the speculation around who killed him well i mean there are lots of people you know who clearly

01:01:26would be happy to have him be silenced i mean any of the men who who might have appeared in the book

01:01:31i know that epstein and trump had fallen out uh epstein had thought that trump would pardon

01:01:37him uh i understand that epstein was threatening to blackmail trump so trump could be a candidate i'm

01:01:44not saying he is uh i understand that the person uh who probably committed the murder was another

01:01:49prisoner who was then uh either given uh given a pardon or or a reduced sentence in order uh by uh by

01:01:58doing this act was trump president at the time yes and what's the connection because you see the video with

01:02:04trump and they're dancing and saying i love jeffrey's got the same kind of the light young

01:02:09woman and then obviously now we've got weird behavior between elon musk saying trump was on the

01:02:16the island he's on the flight logs and then elon musk has got a black eye that was just all conspiracy

01:02:21talk but how connected was trump and epstein together because it seemed very friendly i know a lot of people

01:02:27love trump for me it's just they're all the same sort of puppets it's really the people behind the

01:02:33curtain that i'm really love to question i think people buy into the politics and the left and the

01:02:39right and all the other that comes with it it's a classic divide and conquer but how connected was

01:02:45trump with epstein well they're very close friends i mean uh and i mean there's lots of testimony from

01:02:50people who knew them including uh michael wolf who interviewed epstein and this trump's biographer

01:02:56and i have you know material in the books i mean they were very very close friends same sort of

01:02:59interests i mean uh woman and golf uh well woman and money between the two of them and golf with andrew

01:03:06so i mean there's no denying um you know though trump has tried to distance himself over the years

01:03:11um there's no denying that they were very very close uh and um uh you know why is trump uh you know

01:03:21trying to destroy these papers if he's innocent you know pam bondi has talked about the the number

01:03:27of references to trump i think so is krish patel so it's it's not just elon musk who's come forward

01:03:33lots of people have talked about the the references to trump uh their stories about you know literally

01:03:38scores of fbi officers being brought into redact material um so you know trump campaigned on the

01:03:44basis that he would open this material up he then changed his mind and you have to ask why d why has

01:03:49he changed his mind is it because he realized actually just how incriminating the material is

01:03:54to him now it makes him about far-faced but could trump have potentially run for presidency

01:04:00just to get his hands on these files and destroy them could that be a that's a total calculation but

01:04:06is that a possibility how smart that's manners well you know certainly you know the fact his

01:04:12president has given him the ability to to to get rid of these files i mean he's put tame people into

01:04:18various jobs i mean particularly in justice and the fbi so uh yeah i mean certainly by winning the

01:04:24election i'm sure there are other reasons why he wanted he stood but you know he is in the powerful

01:04:29position to to destroy the evidence against him how many times was trump on epstein island

01:04:36well we don't know i mean uh uh uh i'm not sure he's appears even in the flight logs uh but that doesn't

01:04:43mean if he doesn't appear in the flight logs it doesn't mean he didn't fly to the island because

01:04:47there are other logs uh um and you know we just don't know if if uh you know we just don't have

01:04:54the records to show um that he went there but he could have done um i think he's probably more wily

01:05:00than some of the people like andrew so he probably had his own jet that where he went down in uh and

01:05:06then just turned up or whatever stuff was done perhaps at moro largo that people don't realize

01:05:11so you know trump will have would have covered his tracks i think pretty effectively

01:05:16so when epstein is is suicide and prisoner killed then when does it all come out about andrew

01:05:25and virginia when did all that come out was about the same time yes it comes i mean sharon churcher

01:05:31goes and finds uh virginia uh she then writes an article i mean virginia then talks to her having

01:05:36been silent for the previous decade uh and the story breaks in the spring of 2011. and what happens

01:05:43then so 2011 the story was 10 years after after some of these events yeah uh well 2001 is when uh

01:05:52virginia and andrew have the photo taken so 10 years later the story breaks 2011 um and uh um

01:06:00uh in some ways it did the the real uh sort of catalyst is november 2019 when andrew goes on news

01:06:09night to try and address all the things that come out in the press uh and uh he makes such a mess of

01:06:15it that he looks more guilty than people realized and at that point virginia jeffrey decides to bring a

01:06:22civil action not a criminal action against him uh and that's when he loses all his his royal status

01:06:28uh and that's shortly after that is when he does his his special deal with her so he never had a

01:06:34civil case before that interview no no no it was just stuff in the press before that um and you know

01:06:42he could have weathered this if he hadn't gone on news night the story might have died yeah it wasn't

01:06:46that deep if there's no civil case yes it's a couple of scandals but it's not that deep

01:06:52where he needed to defend himself defending himself like that shows me there's an element of guilt

01:06:57you know i'm trying to speak your way to and try to fool the public but like i say the british

01:07:00public ain't fools we're very switched on we can see people's presence and mannerisms something's off

01:07:06there yeah yeah well also he tried to avoid he he refused to cooperate with the law enforcement

01:07:11agencies even just as a material witness so not even as a suspect of any sort

01:07:16uh and then when they were trying to to bring summons against him uh he he he ran up to balmoral

01:07:22and hid there in the hope that you know they wouldn't be able to to give him the summons

01:07:26again that's not the site as the sign of an innocent man and they paid the 12 million to

01:07:31then get it over left and he hoped shut down the story and it would be all over but of course it

01:07:35isn't all over it you know it keeps coming they keep to being new disclosures um uh and you know he's

01:07:41sort of back where he was it's just 12 million dollars for her and when did glenn get charged

01:07:48uh glenn got uh i think she's served a couple of years now so a couple of years ago but of course

01:07:54she then disappeared um the fbi tracked her down to a boyfriend's house and uh on the on the canadian

01:08:00border uh and actually what's extraordinary is that she could have gone um abroad uh particularly to

01:08:06countries without extradition treaties and she could have actually avoided being arrested but

01:08:11she somehow thought she would get away with it that they wouldn't find her so i mean the the only

01:08:17person that actually has been tried and convicted uh for this whole scandal is is galane and people

01:08:23kind of feel she's the fall guy but you know she was clearly deeply involved she is one of the major

01:08:27players uh she is i have to say a congenital liar you you know what she told um the attorney general the

01:08:35other day uh to get her pardon uh is it was a series of lies uh and uh she was found to be lying in

01:08:43the course of the court case so uh i don't think you know she is a reliable uh witness to this i think

01:08:50she will get out i think she will vote before 2030. oh i'm sure i'm sure i think she's probably out now

01:08:56i suspect she's been sprinted away to some caribbean island and no one everyone thinks she's in prison

01:09:01but actually she's sitting on a beach somewhere because she was still participating and she was

01:09:07still a close links to epstein clinton all these high profile names there's a lot of names who should

01:09:14be in prison with her with the information that's out there now has she been a scapegoat i i think she

01:09:21has does she deserve to be in prison of course she does so i just think a lot of people have deflected

01:09:27with her with the epstein killing as well with the prince andrew interview the pain off the money

01:09:34it it looks as if it's just glenn and prince andrew who's been the bad ones well that's you know that's

01:09:40clearly the aim to keep it focused on on a few people who are sort of identified and hope that

01:09:45that will sort of lance the boil but as you say there are many names that uh which have appeared or

01:09:50been speculated on uh and one hopes that they haven't been weeded out from these files and that you

01:09:56know justice will be done you know the witnesses the victims will will you know will be giving

01:10:02testimony i understand and and you know they will have names that they can uh talk about so i i don't

01:10:07think you know i think we will get more names and and people won't get off the hook how many ghettos

01:10:12came forward on epstein island well i mean 10 10 women uh actually spoke at this press conference at

01:10:18capitol hail the other day uh i mean there were clearly i think there were hundreds i mean people have

01:10:22talked about even possibly a thousand girls that were abused problems we don't know their identities

01:10:27as to say they were they were basically brought in from places like russia uh they were girls who

01:10:33had really no identity papers you know weren't checked in uh one of the problems was if you

01:10:38didn't have like a selfie for yourself on the island how could you prove that you'd gone there

01:10:43so i think there were a lot of girls who'd gone uh but couldn't prove it uh and also a lot of people

01:10:48who went uh who are now middle-aged woman with families very respectable last thing they want to

01:10:54do is to rake over these the this thing these controversies a lot of them are very traumatized

01:11:00and clearly don't want to go through the whole court process so and they just prefer to sort of try

01:11:05and forget about it and move on with their lives was there any keen forward who are just after money

01:11:09though because you've still got to question a lot of these even with harvey weinstein that he's an evil man

01:11:15but there was a lot of people who are dismissed because of their lies and their false accusations

01:11:20they're just wanting that money you know yeah i mean it's inevitable you will have some people who

01:11:24will jump on the bandwagon uh but that doesn't undermine the fact that you know there were a lot

01:11:28of victims justified victims that you know and we need to address uh give them justice uh and you know

01:11:36they are entitled to some sort of compensation from the estate for what they went through um so i think

01:11:42you know we've just got to keep a very open mind i mean there will be some bad apples but it doesn't

01:11:46mean they all are and for the prince andrew interview who gave the green light for that

01:11:50well it was amanda thirsk who's the private secretary who he's very close to everyone else

01:11:55you know said don't do it uh you know and if you do do it prepare for it you know set limits to to

01:12:01what they can talk about and make it very short but he didn't do that he basically gave a news night

01:12:07a carte blanche to uh to ask what they wanted and emily mateless went in for the kill she was good

01:12:14to be fair yeah she was good i'm surprised that they didn't have something signed to see the

01:12:20interview first apparently i was so happy with it what's that woman's name is it sammy sam mcallister

01:12:27mcallister i speak to sammy yeah i speak to mcallister is that her name sammy sam sam mcallister i speak to

01:12:32sam um because she was saying it was so happy with it they were they were thinking after the

01:12:38interview they even before the interview they thought that will not happen then they got up

01:12:43and then after they've done the interview they were thinking naturally they won't put this out

01:12:47but he was happy with it you know how it went he didn't want anything edited out how unselfaware he

01:12:53is but he is a narcissist he sees things only for in his own terms that's why he there was very little

01:12:58sense of empathy with the victims you know she gave him plenty of opportunities to to kind of

01:13:03explain himself to apologize he didn't really do it you know he was very very literal in terms of

01:13:08the way he explained things and everything was about how it affected him not how it affected others

01:13:15so if the glenn maxwell we've heard getting 20 years in prison

01:13:19surely there must have been other names who who should have been in prison also

01:13:25well i mean you know i don't know if there's a statue of limitations i i suspect not so if names

01:13:31emerge uh in the release of documents and if a case can be made in the way it was made against

01:13:36galane then we may well see other people tried and possibly convicted and what about the prince harry

01:13:42and megan markle for me when when megan came into prince harry's life i'm not really a massive

01:13:48royal fan i'm scottish you know um but when i liked the idea of it because i like princess diana i

01:13:56liked what she stood for i liked that she had compassion and she was loyal i respect her kind

01:14:03she had some she had a lot of elegance you know and she spoke out against the bad in the world and

01:14:10that takes courage you know and when those two started dating i thought you know what maybe he's

01:14:15trying to protect her because of the way princess diana died and i thought yep go on but then i

01:14:21started watching her and she doesn't look a good person she looks as if she's manipulated his mind

01:14:27and that's what i get i don't know them personally i'm just making my own assumption from what i see

01:14:31like they're going to stay back from the media and but then they're doing not netflix documentaries

01:14:38book deals podcasts cookery shows it just doesn't sit right something's not right is there a potential

01:14:43that he has been manipulated by megan yes of course i mean megan you know has come in and she's using

01:14:50the royal family to make money for herself uh and the two of them it's sort of exactly what fergie did

01:14:56and fergie's been doing you can see megan sees fergie doing this for 30 years and thinks that she can

01:15:01do the same half in half out so um uh but clearly this doesn't do much for the reputation of the monarchy

01:15:08if people feel that you know we're paying for them uh and their security and housing them and also

01:15:13sorts of things and yet they are just using the opportunities of uh and the privileges they're

01:15:18given in order to to line their own pockets how true is the story that prince harry punched prince

01:15:24andrew well i mean my source is reliable who gave me that story i i stand by it um harry just

01:15:34discounts it and says it didn't happen uh as we know our collections can vary um uh what my publisher

01:15:41said is you know this is literally a line in the book we're not going to get into a fight over this

01:15:45and we've put in a denial he denies it um but uh it certainly doesn't undermine you know my source or

01:15:52all the credibility of of what i've written i think there was an attempt to try and do that i think

01:15:58what's very interesting is he he didn't come to me uh he just publicly announced that he was going to

01:16:03to to to write a lawyer's letter uh a lawyer's letter was written uh my publishers responded

01:16:10and we've heard nothing more so you know if he is if this is a serious thing and there's been some

01:16:15defamation i mean how can you say that defending your wife is is defamatory then uh it's interesting

01:16:23that he hasn't pursued this so it's just another case of of of of announcing things to the press

01:16:29writing lawyers letters and and then doing nothing prince harry punched prince andrew because of

01:16:34remarks made to megan yes i think the the two episodes um uh the the punching episode is actually

01:16:41uh before uh andrew uh sorry before harry met megan uh there's another fight in night in 2017 after

01:16:48harry has met megan uh and basically what harry uh andrew said is is actually what william said

01:16:55is don't rush into this relationship and make sure she's suitable um you know are you concerned

01:17:00about this or that perfectly uh legitimate questions to ask but you know harry is quite hot-headed

01:17:07and clearly didn't like her how can you be taking relationship advice from prince andrew

01:17:12well that may have been part of the problem i would have punched him straight in the nose if

01:17:16he tried to give me relationship advice but who made the remarks against megan's skin color is that true

01:17:23because harry put that in the book yes i mean uh uh and i think they then raised it in oprah

01:17:29i i i just don't know but i i i find it hard to believe i mean i think they suggested it could

01:17:35have been kate uh uh and did it um uh and and accused the royal family of being racist i i find

01:17:42that very hard to believe but i i have no evidence one way or the other i would hardly even say that you

01:17:48know why would they put that in the public domain about his family but then again if it's his

01:17:52wife and he loves it and someone did say that then why not address it but there just seems so much

01:17:57mess between the royal family and now there seems so much divide that doesn't seem strong the monarchy

01:18:02was very it was very strong britain was a very strong nation it just seems as if everything's

01:18:07becoming weaker here it's kind of lost to something well i think you know once the queen died you know

01:18:12a lot of people who supported the monarchy because of the queen and and you know we now have a a king who

01:18:17was ill uh a princess of wales who's ill uh the the scandals or the the problems of andrew and harry

01:18:25so you know it is very vulnerable at the moment um and there's uncertainty you know how long will

01:18:30charles live uh what are the relations like between charles and and and williams so i think when there's

01:18:36that sort of uncertainty of course you know ever the monarchy is under some threat i mean there's still

01:18:40more than half the population support the monarchy i think they think it's the best option they

01:18:44don't want to have a president so i think you know they've weathered storms you know before

01:18:49it's lasted a thousand years there's no reason why things shouldn't continue but i would argue

01:18:54they need to be reformed there needs to be more transparency and accountability uh not least about

01:18:59their um uh finances but also about for example um the the the the historical record you know that

01:19:07they need to release files uh they need to be much more open with the public and not try and curate the

01:19:12story uh you know there are all sorts of deals between the palace and newspapers and pressure

01:19:18put on people in the way that we saw that uh the palace put pressure on abc television the states

01:19:23not to run anything on virginia and andrew uh because if they did they would lose all access to to for

01:19:30interviews from over the royal family so there were some pretty strong-armed tactics to try and

01:19:35suppress the story of andrew and jiffrey how does the relationship between harry and william now

01:19:40well i think it's it's it's bad i think harry is regrets what he says uh and would like to work

01:19:45his passage back i think william is very reluctant to forgive him and not least the comments made about

01:19:52kate but um uh you know there will be in in anything like this where there are family issues as well as

01:20:01sort of more constitutional issues you know it's going to be very difficult but i think william has to

01:20:06sort of time be mature about it and see what is best for the country and it's not good if the two

01:20:13sons of the king are fighting um as it's not good for the heir to the throne and the king

01:20:19to have very different perceptions of what the monarchy should be doing what was the story about

01:20:23putin having information on andrew well that information comes from a man called tim riley who

01:20:29has i think quite strong intelligence links uh he picked it up in russia uh we know that putin uh was

01:20:36passed some of these tapes from the palm beach police department that were taken to russia

01:20:41but tim riley says that there's there's compromise there i don't think it would surprise anyone that

01:20:46whenever andrew went to russia he probably was bedded

01:20:49by some nubal interpreter or someone and this material was filmed it's a classic soviet trick

01:20:57so um you know he may well have placed himself in a vulnerable position in russia as i say in other

01:21:02countries as well libya and china and the middle east and what about the gunrunner friend from turkey

01:21:09with prince andrew well there's the the tarik katuni is the libyan gun runner uh and he seems to have

01:21:16been a sort of business associate of andrew he's given gifts to the family uh um uh very generous

01:21:23you know gives eighteen thousand pound necklaces uh and there seems to be some sort of business

01:21:27relationship there uh there's a man called selman turk uh who uh was in a court case where uh it

01:21:34emerged that one point i think through 1.1 million pounds was paid to the yorks which they haven't been

01:21:40able to explain so uh you know there are a lot of unanswered questions about the the yorks wealth

01:21:47and the fact that they're not prepared to answer them does make one concerned about where this money

01:21:51has come from see when you write a book the way you did does that go back to the royalties where they

01:21:56can then challenge it and say if it's true or not um well i mean they consume you for libel um we didn't

01:22:04give the right to reply to to andrew and fergie for the simple reason that we thought they would just

01:22:08and jump the book they would try and shut it down uh that they were tied up in in legal uh what's

01:22:14called lawfare basically try and just shut it down with using the legal system so uh all the stuff is

01:22:21sourced um uh it's been verified and we felt confident that um it would stand up if they were

01:22:29to take action and and so far there's been no action whatsoever um i think there was a mistake made

01:22:35not to to run the the prince harry story by him first but that was because it's literally one

01:22:41line in a book of over 400 pages and we just didn't think it was very important we didn't think

01:22:47actually it was particularly offensive um so that was our mistake but um uh you know of course one

01:22:54wants to make sure that everything is fair and accurate because otherwise one's going to be in big

01:22:58trouble i actually like prince harry i don't know i don't know the guy but and kate seems very elegant

01:23:04she seems perfect for the royal family i know she's got her health issues i'm not a doctor but

01:23:10i can only speculate from what people tell me but how deep is it all how deep is

01:23:18with your epstein's and trump's and bill clinton's and prince andrews how deep is it are we talking

01:23:26pedophile rings are we talking just sleazy men who like to abuse women who are just so rich that

01:23:33they've not got anything else like how deep is it all run all these operations like are we talking

01:23:38satanic are we just like how dark is it well i've seen no evidence that they're satanic i mean there's

01:23:44clearly big networks there and there are lots of men involved and they're very extensive files that you

01:23:48know could be released uh so it's it's you know it is a big thing i mean people have talked to say about

01:23:55a thousand uh victims so um but you know we won't know until any materials released i mean so far we've

01:24:01had only little snippets of information so it's um you know there's all to play for for for um in this

01:24:09situation do you think we'll ever get any information because when donald trump says

01:24:14that there was no connections to epstein that's a big no-no for me because this was the man who was

01:24:19going to expose it this was a man who was going to release the files from the gfk killing it's like

01:24:24when these people get in power donald trump's never started any wars but he seems to be doing a few

01:24:29now but um he's dropped a few bombs in a few countries now and i just think all these people

01:24:35are corrupt all these people are full of they make these big promises but don't back it up

01:24:39that these epstein files are so popular that what do you think when he says like there's no one else

01:24:44on these lists well i do i think we've learned not to believe a word that uh trump says so no of

01:24:50course i mean you know trump is in those files he may now be excised uh and there are lots of you

01:24:56know some very influential people who will will have been in those files again you know they may be

01:25:01redacted or removed but you know this is a big scandal it just seems all dark you know it just seems

01:25:07it seems it's very messy where there's never going to uncover the truth because there's too many big

01:25:14names involved you know there's too many big names who have got too much power and too much wealth and

01:25:19too much to lose what did you think when you seen elon musk saying that he'd seen trump on the files well

01:25:26you know i think you know musk you know didn't make that up i mean he's clearly changed his mind but

01:25:31it uh you know i think that the files were seen there do you think the follow-up was legit between

01:25:35elon musk and donald trump uh yes i think you know trump uh you know he's been very rude about

01:25:43elon musk and vice versa musk you know realized how difficult it was to to to make changes in government

01:25:49uh he clearly had problems with his own business career as a result of his involvement with trump

01:25:54so i think you know he left government to to make sure his business was okay

01:25:59and they were clearly not on the same wavelength so i don't think there's anything suspicious about

01:26:03the the parting tell me this do you ever feel your life could be in danger by writing such a book

01:26:09no i mean i think i think people try and undermine my reputation and try and dismiss me as a writer but

01:26:14i i haven't you know no worries i'm going to fall under a bus what's your plans for the future

01:26:20well i'm going to do a book on prince philip next so so maybe we'll talk again in three years time

01:26:24yeah for writing a book it's guts and courage and i think you're a great journalist for for

01:26:29doing all the work for doing all those interviews like that's what we need nowadays people to be

01:26:34further and people to do the right checks and be very balanced even though it's not really even

01:26:39though it's balanced with the information you have it's still really it's not a good look for the royal

01:26:43family it's not a good look for everything but fair play again where can people buy your book

01:26:48yeah it's the entitled the rise and fall the house of york should be available in all good bookshops

01:26:53and on amazon again listen thank you for your time i wish you the best for the future and again well

01:26:59done with the book thanks very much thank you

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