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In this Sunday Morning Live on 7 December 2025, philosopher Stefan Molyneux celebrates his experience at the Queen tribute show "We Will Rock You" while addressing the financial challenges faced by Canadian stage actors. Engaging with callers, he explores personal dilemmas, including the Cassandra complex and the impact of having an alcoholic parent. Stefan emphasizes personal responsibility and the importance of confronting difficult family issues. This episode offers a poignant reflection on artistry, empathy, and life’s choices.

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00:00:00No, really, the mic should be on.
00:00:01Good morning, everybody.
00:00:03Hope you're doing well, my friends.
00:00:05Hope you are having a glorious Sunday, this 7th of December, 2025.
00:00:12And I am here for you.
00:00:15Of course, you're here for me, too.
00:00:18And I hope you're doing well.
00:00:19If you have questions, comments, issues, challenges, problems,
00:00:23unlike Marillion, I say, do give me your problems.
00:00:27He knows, you know.
00:00:28Oh, the randomness.
00:00:29Anyway, if you have questions, issues, challenges, problems, criticisms,
00:00:34whatever's on your mind, I am thrilled, overjoyed, beyond happy to help.
00:00:39It stimulates every atom of my being to bring philosophy to bear
00:00:43on whatever challenges you're facing.
00:00:45And while we await the tsunami of questions that can come in
00:00:51over this lovely tech space, I give to you, I give to you my issues.
00:00:59Oh, yes, let's talk about me for a minute.
00:01:02So, I went to go, I have a little bit, for those who are new, I have a little bit of a fetish for
00:01:10the singing multi-layered buck-teeth vocals of one, Farooq Bulsara, a.k.a. Freddie Mercury.
00:01:20And my wife got me tickets to a show in Toronto.
00:01:27This was for my birthday back in September.
00:01:28My birthday month, really, which I inflict on everyone around me and which they studiously ignore,
00:01:34except for the one day when they shouldn't.
00:01:36But she got me tickets to a show called We Will Rock You, which is playing in Toronto.
00:01:42So, we went in, and it's a five-week run.
00:01:46I mean, I highly, highly recommend it.
00:01:48It is a fun, fun show.
00:01:52And it's a blast.
00:01:54The talent is prodigious.
00:01:57I mean, they call it triple threat in the theater world.
00:02:00Triple threat is when you can sing, you can act, and you can dance.
00:02:06What was it they said about Bing Crosby?
00:02:08Or Gene Kelly, can't act, can't sing, can dance a little.
00:02:13Anyway, so we went to the show.
00:02:15Highly recommend it.
00:02:16It's, I mean, they're putting their vocals to the test.
00:02:20Freddie Mercury is not too bad for women to sing, because you just sit in an altar, right?
00:02:24Freddie Mercury was naturally a baritone, but he pushed himself to be more of a tenor.
00:02:29But the talent is astounding.
00:02:32I mean, good-looking people.
00:02:34They are great dancers.
00:02:37The singing was all pretty spectacular.
00:02:41For men, to do Freddie is pretty tough.
00:02:44People even got the high notes.
00:02:45The guy who looked like a Mormon, he hit the high notes, and the show must go on.
00:02:51Not the easiest thing in the known universe.
00:02:53And it was funny.
00:02:54It was energetic.
00:02:55It was moving.
00:02:56You know, there's a song that Brian May wrote about the death of Freddie Mercury called
00:03:01Only the Good Die Young.
00:03:03The hounds across the water.
00:03:05And it just sort of burst out, and I wasn't expecting it, because it's not exactly a queen
00:03:09hit.
00:03:10But a very moving song.
00:03:11And Brian May, absolute consummate genius by the by.
00:03:16I just want to mention this.
00:03:18I mean, Bro is a fantastic guitarist, great lyricist, great songwriter, great performer,
00:03:25and, you know, soft-voiced, fairly existentially nihilistic atheist, it seems.
00:03:32And, yeah, I mean, if you can do a PhD in astrophysics and write Fat Bottom Girls, let's
00:03:37just say you have a talent stack, as Scott Adams would say.
00:03:40Hope he's doing well.
00:03:41And the show was fantastic and really enjoyable.
00:03:48I haven't seen a live musical in many years.
00:03:51And so, of course, you're sitting there in the audience, and you're looking at these people
00:03:55dancing, singing, acting.
00:03:59You know, they make you laugh.
00:04:00They make you cry a little.
00:04:01I mean, it's just really a fantastic show.
00:04:04And the stagecraft is astounding.
00:04:07For those of you who don't know, I spent a couple of years at the National Theater School
00:04:10studying acting and playwriting.
00:04:12And what you could do back then was pretty limited.
00:04:16I remember people being astounded when in Les Mis, it looked like the guy actually jumped
00:04:20from the bridge.
00:04:21But this backdrop, the sets, the scenery, ah, staggering, and only for a five-week run.
00:04:28Now, it was a little bit of a gerontocracy.
00:04:30It was boomer.
00:04:31It was like a boomer graveyard in there.
00:04:33But most people made it out, I think.
00:04:35But anyway, so I was kind of curious.
00:04:37My wife and I were chatting on the way home.
00:04:39And she said, I wonder, I wonder how much they get paid.
00:04:44Because, you know, you're in the audience.
00:04:46They're doing all of the spectacular stuff.
00:04:48Now, having been trained as an actor and a singer and a playwright and so on, let me tell
00:04:56you, it takes a long time to become good at this stuff.
00:04:59Years and years and years to become good, to become a great singer, to become a great performer,
00:05:04to know how to work with the audience, to be able to sing and dance at the same time,
00:05:08which is insane, by the way.
00:05:10Try singing opera while doing an aerobics workout.
00:05:14And you, too, will be ordered to leave the gym.
00:05:16So it's really spectacular.
00:05:19So my wife said, oh, I wonder how much they get paid.
00:05:21And I said, well, I assume it's standard rates, right?
00:05:23That there's a union, actually, in the U.S.
00:05:26I guess there's a Canadian equivalent.
00:05:27There's a union that negotiates on behalf of the actors.
00:05:30And she said, I bet it's quite a bit.
00:05:33And it does seem that way.
00:05:35Because, you know, you look at the average person, I mean, go to a karaoke night, like
00:05:38how many people can really sing well, plus they have charisma, plus they can dance, plus
00:05:45they can act.
00:05:46Like, it's just, it's a rare combo.
00:05:48And usually they're good looking.
00:05:49I mean, the people all looked spectacular and sang beautifully and all of that, and would
00:05:54genuinely seem to be having a lot of fun.
00:05:55So I guarantee you that's an actor who did a lot of team building exercises, because
00:05:59especially comedies, they have to be collaborative.
00:06:03And if the actors aren't having fun, the audience sure isn't having fun.
00:06:07Anyway, so we looked it up.
00:06:09And I mean, for those who have any sort of vague interest, look, I don't care about me,
00:06:13care about philosophy.
00:06:14But if you have any kind of curiosity about me, then this was a road that I was going
00:06:19to take.
00:06:19I was going to be an artist.
00:06:22I've always loved philosophy, but art was where my heart was.
00:06:25I mean, philosophy is where my head is at.
00:06:27Art is where my heart is.
00:06:29And I wanted to be an artist.
00:06:32An artist, I tell you.
00:06:33And I come from a long line of, on my mother's side in particular, writers.
00:06:40And I don't know if they performed or gave speeches, but I know there were a lot of writers.
00:06:45My uncle got an award for, like a national award, top poem in Germany.
00:06:52And another uncle of mine wrote a history of trade unionism that was very popular and just
00:06:57a lot of writers and intellectuals and so on.
00:06:59On my father's side, a lot of soldiers.
00:07:03This is sort of the price.
00:07:05My family is aristocratic going back to 1066 in Ireland, which is not really something I
00:07:11knew about until much later on in life.
00:07:12But I think I get my punchy side from my father's and my writing and communication side from
00:07:20my mother's.
00:07:21It's sort of a happy coincidence about how it all came together.
00:07:24But I know how tough it is to do what it is that these guys are doing.
00:07:28So I was like, I wonder how much it is.
00:07:31So that was going to be my path.
00:07:33So this is interesting.
00:07:39So in Canada, professional stage actors in major productions like We Will Rock You are
00:07:42typically members of the Canadian Actors' Equity Association or CAHO, CAHO, something
00:07:48like that.
00:07:49The Union for Live Performance Artists.
00:07:52They negotiate minimum weekly fees through agreements, blah, blah, blah.
00:07:55So it's a little, it's a little surprising.
00:08:01It's a little surprising.
00:08:03So if we were livey live, I would say, what is your guess?
00:08:08It was less than I thought that these guys get paid.
00:08:12Now, I don't know what these guys get paid individually.
00:08:14There's no public disclosure of the salaries of the We Will Rock You cast, just so you know.
00:08:18So I don't have any particular idea of how much they're paid as a whole.
00:08:26So minimum weekly pay for ensemble chorus, right?
00:08:33So they get $1,300.
00:08:35This is Canadian, right?
00:08:36$1,300 and change a week.
00:08:39Understudies get $1,500 a week.
00:08:42So principal roles such as Galileo, Scaramouche, Killer Queen, Khashoggi, etc.
00:08:49And they get $1,346 base plus a negotiated overscale of, you know, they might get $1,800,
00:08:59$2,500, maybe at the top $3,000 a week.
00:09:03So that's wild.
00:09:07Oh, it says here it's a seven-week Toronto stop.
00:09:09So you're talking a couple of thou a week.
00:09:15And that's pretty wild for the level of talent.
00:09:18And because it's years and years, you don't just sort of step off the street and like modeling,
00:09:23I suppose you just, you know, the hair you're pretty.
00:09:24And then you go for some photo shoots and you just sort of be pretty, right?
00:09:29You can just kind of do that, right?
00:09:32But it's, I mean, honestly, being actor, singer, dancer,
00:09:37you have to have vocal training because you've got, you know, these guys were, you know,
00:09:41belting top of their lungs, challenge, really challenging songs.
00:09:45Queen songs are intricate and challenging.
00:09:47And these guys are belting at the top of their lungs two hours at a stretch, maybe a little more.
00:09:52It was two hours 40, but that included an intermission for the boomers to empty their
00:09:56bladders, which is quite lengthy.
00:09:57And you have to, have to, have to take care of your voice because you have to hit those
00:10:04notes and it's a lot of strain on the voice.
00:10:06And, you know, if you're a dancer, you can work on your muscles.
00:10:09And obviously as a singer, you have to train very extensively to not damage your voice.
00:10:14And Freddie Mercury himself eschewed training because he wanted to have a sort of raw natural
00:10:19sound.
00:10:20And, you know, he got these notes, which are these sort of rubbed raw parts of the voice.
00:10:25He got them in the early to mid seventies and nodules, I think nodules, they were called
00:10:30the same thing that Julie Andrews got operated on and it destroyed her singing voice.
00:10:34And Freddie Mercury refused to get them operated on because he was, of course, like he refused
00:10:38to get his teeth fixed.
00:10:39He had extra teeth, which is why he had the giant overbite because he didn't want to affect
00:10:43his voice.
00:10:44So you have to train a lot.
00:10:47You have to train for years.
00:10:49A friend of mine is a singer and was, you know, in the process of destroying his voice
00:10:54when he got the training and, uh, it saved it, right?
00:11:00Celine Dion doesn't even, didn't even talk when she was doing her Vegas residency.
00:11:04She couldn't talk during the day when inveterate belter Phil Collins was on the road with Genesis
00:11:09or solo, you know, there's something in the air tonight guy or in the air tonight guy, uh,
00:11:15take me home, lovely songs.
00:11:17Anyway, uh, he, uh, he wouldn't even phone to talk to his children.
00:11:21He had to fax them because he had to save his voice.
00:11:24So there's a lot of, a lot of work, a lot of training.
00:11:28It's more like being a professional athlete, which of course you in part get paid for all
00:11:33of the time it takes to learn how to do that kind of stuff.
00:11:36But I was really, I was shocked and you know me hard to shock, but isn't that wild that you
00:11:45have to study for years?
00:11:47And I, I was reading, cause I was reading one of the cast members, this, I was a black
00:11:53guy who was, and not, not the greatest singer, but intense and immense physicality in the
00:11:58role.
00:11:59And he brought the kind of energy that, that is sort of incandescent.
00:12:04And I would normally associate with drugs, so I'm sure he's clean.
00:12:07And I think he was, I was reading just out of curiosity, a little bit of the background
00:12:10of the performers and he's like, oh yes, I'm doing this.
00:12:13I also teach voice, voice lessons and things like that.
00:12:17And of course this seems a bit odd, right?
00:12:20You know, I don't think Freddie Mercury did voice lessons, taught voice lessons because
00:12:24they need side gigs.
00:12:25This is, and so you get paid, you know, 1500, 2500, maybe at the top end, something like
00:12:313000.
00:12:32Again, I don't know about these guys individually, but cause it's negotiated individually, but
00:12:35as you've got, you know, whether it's a five or seven week run, it's a pretty short
00:12:39thing, you really don't make much.
00:12:41And then of course you take that money and you are living in Toronto, very expensive.
00:12:49You can't do much outside of the show because you have to save your voice, right?
00:12:55So if you say, break down the take-home pay, because when artists make money, often they'll
00:13:03have to, but usually, I think almost always, they have to give 10% to their agent, right?
00:13:08So that's 300 off your 3000, right?
00:13:12So you then have to pay a couple of points, a couple of percentage to your union.
00:13:20And of course, you've got to pay taxes and all kinds of stuff, right?
00:13:26So your weekly take-home for a principal, even with overscale, 2000 to 3000, their take-home
00:13:33is 1300 to 2000 plus, 1300 to 2000 for that kind of work, right?
00:13:43Because you're paying on a weekly basis, 200 federal income tax, provincial tax, 110, CPP,
00:13:51Canada pension plan, 80 bucks, EI, you know, some money, RRSP contribution, health insurance
00:13:59premiums, yeah, it's wild.
00:14:04Seven-week production means total earnings are limited, 9400 to 10,800 gross for ensemble
00:14:11at a minimum.
00:14:12And it's a tough life as an actor.
00:14:16So, I mean, the question is why?
00:14:18Why?
00:14:20Why?
00:14:21Why, why, why?
00:14:22Why is it so high?
00:14:24Sorry, why is it so low?
00:14:26I could get the words right.
00:14:28I could get the words right, but why bother with that?
00:14:31All right.
00:14:31See, I can't even get my script right.
00:14:33That's why I'm doing this, not that.
00:14:35So, why is it so low?
00:14:39I mean, the commercial theater scene is much more than the U.S.
00:14:43Toronto's the primary hub, often called the third largest after New York and London, but
00:14:47far behind it in scale.
00:14:49Broadway in New York benefits from massive tourism, higher ticket prices, often $150 to
00:14:54$300 or more U.S. dollars, and Canada just doesn't have that kind of ticket prices.
00:15:03And the supply, I'm just going to ask, because I had this, but it was on another computer.
00:15:12What is the supply of actors, let's say musical actors versus demand?
00:15:22So, the problem is supply versus demand.
00:15:24And that's, I think, the real issue.
00:15:26And it's a heartbreaking situation or scenario.
00:15:28When I was studying playwriting in the 90s, I remember my teacher telling me that the average
00:15:35income for a playwright in Canada from his plays or her plays is $2,500, $2,500.
00:15:45So, one of the problems, of course, is that there's a pipeline that kind of goes from,
00:15:52and I'll, sorry, I'll get you a Luke in a sec.
00:15:54Like, there's a pipeline that goes from high school to, you know, it's not hard to be the
00:16:00best actor in high school or the best singer in high school, you know, it's a limited pool
00:16:04and all of that.
00:16:05I was, not to brag, because it wasn't the biggest university in the world, but I was
00:16:10considered the best actor in my university.
00:16:13It's one of the reasons why I went to the National Theatre School, which only take 1% of
00:16:16their applicants.
00:16:171,600 people apply.
00:16:1916 people get chosen.
00:16:20And I was automatically, I didn't even have to audition, I was just automatically cast
00:16:26in the lead in shows in university, and then I played Macbeth.
00:16:31And so, yeah, I was, you know, I was pretty good.
00:16:34And I would say I was sort of in the middle of the pack in theatre school, certainly not
00:16:37the best, but that was sort of very top-tier stuff.
00:16:39So, there's this pipeline where you're really good in high school, maybe you're really good
00:16:41in university, maybe you go to theatre school, and then, right?
00:16:44And so, what happens is that there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people coming
00:16:51out every year from university, Bachelor of Fine Arts in musical theatre, conservatories,
00:16:58and so on.
00:17:00And there's just not as much demand.
00:17:04There are hundreds and hundreds.
00:17:04I read somewhere 900 people coming out a year with sort of this sort of musical theatre stuff
00:17:10or sort of top-tier theatre stuff, and they're just competing for maybe 100, 200 roles, and
00:17:14they're already competing with all the other people who've come out.
00:17:17And so, the competition is incredibly fierce, the pay is kind of low, and everybody wants
00:17:23to be a star.
00:17:25And so, it's funny, and it's just a funny coincidence that I went to see this show,
00:17:29and thanks again to my lovely wife for thinking of that.
00:17:32It was a great time.
00:17:33And just on the way home, have you ever had this where you don't even know you're carrying
00:17:39any kind of burden, but something happens, and you feel a little tiny easing of a little
00:17:45tiny burden that you didn't even know you had, and I kind of had that.
00:17:49Driving home, my wife was driving, and I was looking up this stuff, we were chatting about
00:17:54it, and I was like, huh, because, I mean, it was almost 40 years ago I was in theatre school,
00:18:02and I don't really think about it much.
00:18:04There were times, there were times when I was grinding away midnight coding, I was chief
00:18:09technical officer of a software company I co-founded, and there were times when I was
00:18:14sort of squinting at the screen, coding like a madman to finish a project or something like
00:18:18that, where it was like, yeah, I had a lot more fun doing sword fighting on stage in
00:18:26Macbeth.
00:18:27That was a little bit more fun than, oh, I have to make sure I declare this variable
00:18:31correctly, or it's going to go, and eat up too much memory.
00:18:35As opposed to, you know, ferociously wanting to kill people on stage with cool dungeons
00:18:41and dragons, broadswords, that was, so there were times when I was in the business world,
00:18:46and I was like, eh, or times even when I was in academia, I was around right before the
00:18:52digital revolution came in, so I had to look up everything by hand and be times like, oh,
00:18:56well, I have to figure out what Immanuel Kant said about political power.
00:19:01Oh, dear.
00:19:03Oh, dear.
00:19:04I wrote a play called Ephorus.
00:19:07That wasn't, yeah.
00:19:07I wrote a play once, which was two foul-mouthed punks, a day in the life of two foul-mouthed
00:19:16punks, and then, for a variety of reasons, they make a vow not to swear anymore, and then
00:19:22the last minute or two of the play is them just staring at each other with nothing to
00:19:25say, and that was the end of the play.
00:19:26Just little fun things like that.
00:19:28I actually performed that with a friend of mine.
00:19:30I shaved my head for that role back when I didn't necessarily have less hair to lose.
00:19:36But that was fun stuff.
00:19:39Playing with the audience is fun stuff.
00:19:41Doing comedy is fun stuff.
00:19:44I did a number.
00:19:45I did one night of theater, which was, I played the lead in a Harold Pinter play called
00:19:49A Slight Ach, and then I played a comic role in a Chekhov play called The Bear, and it was
00:19:54called A Slight Ach with a Bear.
00:19:57And so, seeing me go from, like, grim nihilistic drama to comedy was kind of fun for the audience.
00:20:04And it sort of reminds me, although I wouldn't put myself in this guy's category, when I was
00:20:07in theater school, we went to go to Stratford, and I saw, like, ten plays over a weekend.
00:20:11And the incomparable Brian Bedford played a comic role in a 19th century play.
00:20:17He played a sort of gay guy in a 19th century play.
00:20:22He was absolutely hilarious.
00:20:23Oh, stump me, Vitals!
00:20:25He was just really, really funny.
00:20:27And then he played Shylock in Merchant of Venice at night and was powerful and terrifying.
00:20:31And just having that kind of flexibility is really a wild thing to see.
00:20:37And I suppose it was the road less traveled, right?
00:20:43Like, I didn't take that particular path for a variety of reasons.
00:20:46I didn't like the people in the theater world.
00:20:49There was a lot of vainglorious stuff.
00:20:50All ferocious lefties.
00:20:52Like, just crazy lefties.
00:20:54And I, you know, when I was in theater school, they said to me, oh, I mean, you're a good writer.
00:20:58We took you in for writing, but you're doing fantastic as an actor.
00:21:01Just focus on that.
00:21:02You'll do great.
00:21:02And then they found out about my politics.
00:21:05I can't even remember how.
00:21:06I probably got into some debate with someone somewhere.
00:21:08And then they just hated me.
00:21:10Just no tolerance at all.
00:21:11It's my sort of, my first real connection with leftist tolerance was there.
00:21:17And it was like, yeah, this, because it's all about the mission.
00:21:21It's all about both old breath, into a cupid, into a kinder, mother courage and her children.
00:21:27And, you know, just like pushing the lefty agenda and the farm show and things like that.
00:21:31And I ended up not staying in that world.
00:21:36I did write and produce a play after I left theater school, which I enjoyed.
00:21:39I enjoyed, but it's a little, it was a little too exciting for me as a broke teenager.
00:21:43Like I couldn't have gone to university if the play had failed.
00:21:46And it was pretty stressful to make the play work.
00:21:50I've sort of gone into that in other times.
00:21:52So anyway, just looking at this road, let's traveled.
00:21:54But even if I had been a better singer, and obviously I'm not great.
00:21:58I'm no, I like to sing, but I'm no great shakes as a singer.
00:22:00To put it mildly, there's no way I could have done a show like that unless they needed a
00:22:03real narrow range baritone, which they didn't.
00:22:06But I could have been making 1500 bucks a week for five or seven weeks living in Toronto
00:22:14where you can't save anything because that's not enough really to live on.
00:22:18And long time between gigs, unless you're super entrepreneurial, which I could have been.
00:22:24And of course I did, because if you can write as well, like acting, singing, dancing, the
00:22:28writing, because you can write your own shows and so on.
00:22:30But it just, it was a funny thing because I just looked back and I'm like, okay, so if
00:22:34I sort of look at my life and the arc of the various things that I've done, like I've done
00:22:37the art world, I've done academia at the graduate school level, I've done business, I've done
00:22:45podcasting, I've done sales, I've done live speaking and so on.
00:22:51So I've just done a lot of different things and I've just written my most recent novel.
00:22:58I just finished doing the audio book a couple of weeks ago where I got to do some acting.
00:23:02I got to do some acting because I'm playing all these different characters, but I know
00:23:05the characters intimately, right?
00:23:07So when you're acting, you have to get to know your characters so that you can reproduce
00:23:10them authentically.
00:23:11And because I wrote the characters, I know the characters so intimately that I can do them
00:23:14all, I think pretty well.
00:23:16So it's just interesting.
00:23:18I don't know if you've ever had that and I'd love to hear if you have.
00:23:20But it's interesting, if you don't even know that you're carrying a burden, like, oh,
00:23:26should I have done that?
00:23:27Should I have taken that road less traveled?
00:23:28Should I have tried that acting thing?
00:23:30Should I have just dug in and written and done one-man shows?
00:23:34I find myself, if I can't get work from anyone else, like, should I have just pursued that
00:23:38ferociously?
00:23:40But even if you get to the top of your profession in Canada, and I would assume that, you know,
00:23:44being a lead in a musical right downtown Toronto, which is the third biggest theater city in the
00:23:53world, that that's pretty much the top of your profession.
00:23:56And you can't really make a living at it.
00:24:00Interesting.
00:24:00So I felt the tiny burden lift, and it validated the road that I had chosen.
00:24:07All right.
00:24:08Well, thank you for your patience with that.
00:24:10Luke.
00:24:12Luke.
00:24:13What is on your mind?
00:24:16Don't forget to unmute.
00:24:17All right.
00:24:18I heard the beep of you coming in, but I cannot hear your Mac.
00:24:21I am now here, sir.
00:24:23All right.
00:24:24I missed my cut last week, but I do have a friend who's been petitioning me again and
00:24:30again to come on your show and talk about a rather controversial subject.
00:24:36I'll give a shout out to him.
00:24:37Pure of love is his nickname.
00:24:39But what I really want to talk about is the dilemma of someone who has a Cassandra complex
00:24:46and the philosophy of that.
00:24:48And what should one do?
00:24:50Should one choose one's family or one's friends?
00:24:53And, you know, like you've seen all this stuff on how AI gets their philosophy examined with
00:25:00the trolley, right?
00:25:02You know, do you direct the trolley path over this person or that person?
00:25:07And I'm kind of in that same situation right now.
00:25:10And that's what I'd like to talk to you about.
00:25:12Is that okay?
00:25:13It's fine.
00:25:14I'm just wondering, are you on a speakerphone or something?
00:25:17Your audio is kind of rough.
00:25:18I've bought the cheapest smartphone you can buy in Vietnam because you have to have a
00:25:24front-facing camera.
00:25:27And my old phone had the screen broken.
00:25:28It was a flagship phone and I stuck with it.
00:25:32But they made everyone in Vietnam, you know, get a front-facing camera or it'll seize your
00:25:37bank account.
00:25:38So I bet you're bored.
00:25:39Okay, so you're using a cheap speakerphone.
00:25:42Okay, if it can't upgrade, that's fine.
00:25:43So tell me more specifically what it is that you're facing.
00:25:50Well, it's crap going down in two continents.
00:25:53You can pick North America with my friend who's been denied a trial for three years because
00:25:58he knows too much about...
00:26:00Sorry, he's been denied what?
00:26:02He's been denied a right to a trial by jury for about three years.
00:26:07Oh, God.
00:26:07Okay.
00:26:08His ex is on the internet movie database.
00:26:12Okay, listen, don't talk about your friends' legal issues.
00:26:16Let's just focus on your stuff because he's not here and he may or may not want it talked
00:26:21about.
00:26:21So, yeah, let's just talk about your issues or your choices.
00:26:25Yeah, so he's asking me to help be a Bush lawyer and try and help him with all the case
00:26:30law right now.
00:26:31And I've just been battling for him for three years.
00:26:34I'm getting tied in fatigue, but I don't want to see an innocent person sold down the river.
00:26:41There's that.
00:26:42And the other thing in Australia is that I'm aware of actual acts of terrorism that are
00:26:50likely not correctly being portrayed in the media because...
00:26:56Okay, so hang on.
00:26:57So, sorry, sorry.
00:26:58I'm not sure what you...
00:26:59I mean, if you have knowledge of crimes or potential crimes and so on, but I'm a philosophy
00:27:06podcaster.
00:27:07So, I think you should be talking to a lawyer.
00:27:10Oh, like I said, I don't have those means, but I went to the proper channels.
00:27:14I contacted the New South Wales Parliament and the Australian Federal Police as my first
00:27:18Okay, so hang on, hang on.
00:27:19Sorry.
00:27:19I just want to make sure we focus the conversation on something that I can actually help you with
00:27:23because obviously I'm not a lawyer and I don't know anything about what it is that
00:27:26you're talking about in terms of law.
00:27:28So, are there philosophical questions that I could help you with?
00:27:32Um, yeah.
00:27:34Yeah.
00:27:35Should I keep...
00:27:36I'm basically losing faith with humanity.
00:27:40I'm...
00:27:40Like I said at the beginning of when I came on this standard complex thing, I'm exposing
00:27:45level two sex offenders being illegally removed from the sex offenders.
00:27:49No name, don't worry.
00:27:51In Arizona.
00:27:52And then nothing gets done.
00:27:53And then another level two sex offenders gets released.
00:27:55And a 10-year-old girl gets abused because none of them is good to me.
00:27:58And I'm just frustrated with how political correctness is normalizing things that are
00:28:04meant to be morally evil.
00:28:07Um, I even got the government of Israel to take down their final medical position paper
00:28:11on Mets It's Up with Peck, which is what Pureblood was wanting me to talk about.
00:28:15Okay, so, uh, you're just talking about a bunch of stuff that could be used to identify
00:28:20you, so if you could not do that, I'd really appreciate that.
00:28:23So, let me...
00:28:24I'll...
00:28:25Because, yeah, every time you talk...
00:28:26Every time you talk, my spidey sense tightens a little bit more.
00:28:30So, as far as the...
00:28:32So, for those of you who don't know, the Cassandra complex is the curse that you know that bad
00:28:37things are coming down the pipe.
00:28:39You know bad things happen, and you run around warning people that bad things are going to
00:28:42happen.
00:28:43And everybody laughs at you and calls you crazy, and you know for certainty that bad things
00:28:48are happening, and nobody listens to you.
00:28:50And it's the curse of knowing what's coming that's negative, people won't listen, and it's
00:28:59very frustrating.
00:29:00I mean, obviously, I've had a brush or two up against that kind of stuff myself as well.
00:29:06So, what you have to do is you have to measure out the stresses and challenges and strains in
00:29:15your life.
00:29:15So, if you went to a personal trainer and you said, well, I want to get fit, and I want
00:29:21to lose some weight, and I want to get some muscles or whatever it is, and he said, well,
00:29:26what you need to do is you need to be working out to failure every moment you're not directly
00:29:33asleep or eating.
00:29:35So, like, 14 hours a day.
00:29:3714 hours a day, you need...
00:29:39Like, this would be the crazy thing he'd be saying, right?
00:29:41So, 14 hours a day, you need to be working your muscles to failure.
00:29:44Well, I'm no personal trainer, I'm no doctor, but I think that would pretty much get you
00:29:50injured within a day or two, and you would be harming your muscles more than you would
00:29:54be helping them.
00:29:56In the same way, it's important to get good rest every night, but maybe not be sleeping
00:30:0016 hours a day, right?
00:30:02It's important to have nutritious food, but not, you know, 5,000 calories a day or something
00:30:07like that.
00:30:08So, when it comes to the sort of stresses and strains that you take on in the world to
00:30:14make the world a better place, to challenge evildoers, to promote virtue, and interfere
00:30:17with the interests of the malevolent, and so on, which they get their say in that interaction
00:30:21as well, and sometimes their say is not particularly honorable or honest.
00:30:24Of course, they're malevolent to begin with.
00:30:26So, if you want to take on challenges in the world, I mean, good for you.
00:30:32I mean, that's good for you to promote virtue, to interfere with the designs of evildoers.
00:30:38I think that's a good and wonderful and powerful thing to do.
00:30:41However, if you want to take on difficult things in the world, you have to have ease and comfort
00:30:51somewhere in your life.
00:30:53Like, so, for instance, if you're out there fighting the good fight, and then you come home,
00:30:58and you fight with your spouse, and you have conflicts with your children, and then you go
00:31:02out with your friends, and they stress you out with their difficulties even more.
00:31:05Like, at some point, you're going to be working your muscles 16 hours a day,
00:31:11and then even when you go to sleep, your dreams are probably pretty stressful, because your
00:31:16dreams are trying to help you process and learn from the lessons of the day.
00:31:20So, you can have fighting the good fight.
00:31:23That's fine.
00:31:24In fact, I think that's good.
00:31:26But what you have to do, and this is not even optional.
00:31:29Like, if you want to continue in any productive capacity for any reasonable length of time,
00:31:35you have to have a place that's fun and easy that you support and are supported that is
00:31:46a rest place for you.
00:31:49You have to have that.
00:31:51I have that with my family, and I live in a surveillance panopticon in a smart city,
00:31:55and I've put my real name out there already, and like personal security, I don't think it's
00:32:01too much of a concern.
00:32:02And I think, you know, sometimes it's, I believe, getting the stuff out there is safer
00:32:07once the horse has bolted.
00:32:09You like them and clap, and that's why I keep doing the activism I do.
00:32:14But I know there are limits, and, you know, I think.
00:32:17Well, it's not your, hang on, sorry.
00:32:19It's not your job, right?
00:32:20This is something that you do as, I won't say a sideline or a hobby, because it's obviously
00:32:25more serious than that.
00:32:27People don't know.
00:32:28It's like, I had, I can give you one example in Australia, right?
00:32:31It has to do with recent news events and stuff, if you want to hear it.
00:32:36No, I'm sorry.
00:32:37Again, the specifics of what you're fighting are not as relevant as the Cassandra complex
00:32:41or the issues that you're facing as a whole.
00:32:44Okay, so let me ask you this.
00:32:45Do you have a full-time job?
00:32:48Yeah, I have.
00:32:49Okay, that's fine.
00:32:50I just want to know.
00:32:50If you have a full-time job, is your job stressful?
00:32:53No, my job is not stressful.
00:32:54That's why I have the time to do the activism I do.
00:32:57But now I've got people depending on me to get them out of their crises.
00:33:01And I don't want to abandon them.
00:33:04Okay, so hang on.
00:33:05Sorry.
00:33:05I'm sorry.
00:33:06I just need to ask a couple of questions.
00:33:08So you have a full-time job that's not stressful, and you have a family, so you have a wife and
00:33:14kids.
00:33:15Is that what you mean?
00:33:16Yes, I do.
00:33:17Okay.
00:33:18And what age is, roughly, are your kids?
00:33:22Are they single digits?
00:33:23Are they double digits?
00:33:25One double, one single.
00:33:27Okay.
00:33:27They're going to a good school.
00:33:29They're having a good life.
00:33:30I contribute.
00:33:32My family contributes.
00:33:33It's all pretty much well on the home front.
00:33:37But as far as on the shape of the world and…
00:33:40Okay, hang on.
00:33:41Sorry, sorry.
00:33:41I understand the shape of the world.
00:33:42I apologize for interrupting.
00:33:44There's just some information that I need to get.
00:33:45So, your kids are old enough to understand the fights that you're taking on.
00:33:52Is that right?
00:33:55They've heard about it, but I don't like to talk to them about it every day.
00:33:59They know I'm different.
00:34:00No, I didn't ask whether you talk about it every day.
00:34:04I asked, it seems that they're old enough to understand, certainly the one who's in his
00:34:09teens or her teens, they're old enough to understand the fights that you're taking
00:34:13on, right?
00:34:14I believe so.
00:34:16I talked to my daughter yesterday, and you understand that if you saw a kid standing
00:34:22in the middle of the road about to be hit, you'd run across the road.
00:34:25You'd be the good Samaritan.
00:34:26You'd do the good thing.
00:34:27But that incident only takes a few seconds to solve the situation.
00:34:32And I've been trying to help someone else for three years who is just being railroaded
00:34:37by the American justice system.
00:34:39Okay, so hang on.
00:34:40Again, I'm just trying to gather some information here.
00:34:43So there are times where you would not try to save the kid who's in traffic.
00:34:50No, I'm not saying that.
00:34:52I'm saying that that's easier because you would go out there, you would do it quickly, and
00:34:56then it would be over, and then mission accomplished.
00:34:58But I'm just in this draining, long-running conflict with denial of due process in America
00:35:06going on for years.
00:35:08No, I'm sorry.
00:35:09Again, I apologize.
00:35:11I really do.
00:35:12I understand all of that.
00:35:13But there are times where if the kid is over the median, the truck that's about to hit
00:35:20him is too close, and you're going to die if you try and save them, there would be times
00:35:26where you would, with great horror, you would just have to watch it happen.
00:35:29But I just wanted to say it's not usually as simple as like, if it's easy, you do it,
00:35:34but usually things are not easy that way.
00:35:36Let me give you another example.
00:35:37I don't want my kids to grow up in a world where the justice system and the police and
00:35:43the military are all controlled by, you know, Satanists, like the auto-templary orientists
00:35:48who have the power to stop people having trials and coupons in it.
00:35:51So I'll give you an old newspaper headline from two years ago.
00:35:55No, no, I understand that, of course.
00:35:57I mean, I understand your perspective.
00:35:59I wouldn't necessarily agree with the Satanist part, but I understand the perspective.
00:36:02So do your children approve of your multi-year fight to try and get someone in America justice?
00:36:11Do they agree with that?
00:36:13Do they approve of that as a worthwhile conflict?
00:36:16I understand it relates to me too, because I'm a political refugee from Australia for going
00:36:21against the same occult forces.
00:36:23So, you know, it's what I do.
00:36:26It's kind of like, and progress is being made.
00:36:31764 is that Kash Patel's declared war on, is a division of the auto-templary orientists.
00:36:36So people are starting to become aware that this evil does exist and needs to be eradicated.
00:36:42Okay, so I'm going to repeat my question.
00:36:47I'm sorry if it didn't come across.
00:36:49Do your children approve of the stress and strain of challenges and challenges that you
00:36:56are taking on in this fight?
00:36:58Do they approve of it?
00:36:59Do they understand it?
00:37:00And they are like, yes, this is a good use of your time.
00:37:03The time that it takes away from family, the stress that it brings to the family,
00:37:07this is worth it to them.
00:37:09But they're busy, too, with all their homework and their school, and I help them when I can
00:37:14with that.
00:37:14And I think they understand.
00:37:16I think they're okay with it.
00:37:19You think they understand?
00:37:21Well, my oldest daughter does, yeah.
00:37:24Okay.
00:37:25And she is, she approves of how you're spending your time and energies in this way.
00:37:32I probably need to talk to her more about it.
00:37:34Is that what you're trying to lead me to make a right decision on what to do in this dilemma?
00:37:40Well, when you become a father, your priorities have to be your children.
00:37:45I'm not saying they're your only priorities, of course, but your priorities do have to be
00:37:49your children because you have brought people into this world.
00:37:52Hang on.
00:37:53You've brought people into this world.
00:37:54You've brought people to life, and they are stuck with you as a parent.
00:37:58I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing.
00:37:59My daughter's stuck with me, too.
00:38:01But if you decide to have children, then your loyalty, first and foremost, has to be towards
00:38:07your children.
00:38:08My concern would be that if you are burning yourself out in a legal or political fight
00:38:14and so on, as you say, that's going on for years and it's not bringing any income in and
00:38:18so on, then the people who get the final say when you're a father or a mother, the people
00:38:24who get the final say on how you spend your energies are your children.
00:38:28Now, you can say, of course, well, I'm doing this for the kids and this, that, and the
00:38:31other, but they have to, at least at an age-appropriate way, they have to understand and approve because
00:38:39I assume that this is distracting for you.
00:38:42I assume that this is stressful for you.
00:38:44I assume that this is difficult and draining for you.
00:38:46And if your children understand and agree, that's at least a checkmark in its favor.
00:38:55But your loyalty as a father is to your children, not to your friend in America, not to the legal
00:39:02issues that he may be facing and so on.
00:39:04And certainly not to, I mean, I get that you want your children to grow up in a free society.
00:39:10Of course, we all want that and there's things that we should all be doing to move towards
00:39:13that.
00:39:14But if it becomes too consuming, if it becomes too difficult, if it becomes too stressful
00:39:19and it harms your parenting, you know, then there's a problem.
00:39:25And the problem is that you have kind of dove into a bigger fight at the expense of the
00:39:35quality of your relationship with your wife and your children and so on.
00:39:39And it's easy for men in particular to get sucked into these larger, bigger, dramatic fights
00:39:46rather than stay in a sort of loving, fun and connected relationship.
00:39:50My own father did the same thing with East Timor.
00:39:53He's a well-known East Timorese oil and gas activist expert.
00:39:58So, yeah, I've been, also had the role of the kid in this and I've grown up too.
00:40:03So, you've had the role of a what?
00:40:05I've had the role of the kid in this dynamic where my father was an activist for Timor.
00:40:10When I grew up, when I was young, I was upset.
00:40:13I spent a lot of time at home.
00:40:14He was always working on this, you know, doing activism for East Timor and his consulting
00:40:20work.
00:40:20So, hang on.
00:40:24So, your relationship with your father suffered because of his activism.
00:40:27Now it's stronger because I know that he did.
00:40:30No, no, no.
00:40:31In the past, you said your father was always out doing his activism, which means you had
00:40:36less access to him.
00:40:38When I was a kid.
00:40:39But now I've grown up.
00:40:40He did a good thing.
00:40:41Now East Timor is free, you know.
00:40:43So, you know, people, no one else was talking about back in the 90s and my dad was being
00:40:53an activist.
00:40:54But, you know, I don't, do I want to grow up and know that I could have done something
00:40:58to make a difference?
00:41:00No, but the difference you need to make is with your family, first and foremost, because
00:41:07you chose to have children.
00:41:09Correct.
00:41:09And when you choose to have children, they have to be your top priority.
00:41:15Now, I'm not saying that you just sit and stare at them 24 hours a day because they also
00:41:19need to see you doing things in the world.
00:41:20And I'm not saying this doesn't mean you can't do anything good in the world.
00:41:24I mean, I understand that that's all compatible.
00:41:26But your primary responsibility is to your children, not to your friend in America, because
00:41:31you chose to have children.
00:41:33I mean, maybe you disagree with that, but that would be my argument.
00:41:36My God, the thing is, my children want to go to Australia when they're older, okay?
00:41:41They want to live in one of the five highest countries.
00:41:44And it's probably not safe for them if this threat to them isn't fought against and eliminated.
00:41:49So that's kind of how I rationalize it.
00:41:52And my oldest daughter knows that.
00:41:54Sorry, your older daughter knows that her life might be a threat if you don't win this
00:42:00particular legal or political battle.
00:42:02Is that right?
00:42:02That's what her understanding is?
00:42:04Specific threats has been made, and people have lost their Twitter accounts for making
00:42:07those threats, namely Rob Carp on X.
00:42:10So that doesn't...
00:42:12Okay, please, please, please, please, I'm begging you, bro, to stop getting into specifics,
00:42:16because this is a philosophy show, not an individual fight show.
00:42:20So, your children, have they been put at risk by your activism?
00:42:26Only if they leave the country where they're safe in, where they are now, yeah.
00:42:31And it was never my intention for my children to get astray into this issue.
00:42:37Laws were broken to give it to them, but those laws have since been repealed.
00:42:41So, you know, there was no...
00:42:45Okay.
00:42:46...analogy of...
00:42:47And, I mean, listen, I mean, just father to father, what are your feelings about the
00:42:52fact that your activism seems to have put your children in some crosshairs?
00:42:57If good people do nothing, evil triumphs, and that's the moral dilemma that it is.
00:43:02You have, you're protecting your family, but then you have to stop in the world going
00:43:07too far down, down the rabbit hole.
00:43:10What things, what they're doing in Garth, he said that South America and North America
00:43:14next, you know, if we don't all take it down, good people have to do things in the world,
00:43:20or the world goes to shit.
00:43:21And if everyone's too into watching it for me, as my dad called it, the radio's that W-I-F-M,
00:43:27then set a society that you want to have your kids growing up with.
00:43:31So, that's the logical debate here, I think.
00:43:35Okay.
00:43:35So, it sounds like you have no issues with your decision.
00:43:40It sounds like you feel that you have made the right decision in putting your family at
00:43:47risk and fighting forces that you call evil and so on.
00:43:52So, I'm not sure if you're comfortable.
00:43:54I mean, I was interested in sort of reviewing that decision.
00:43:57And, but if you're comfortable with, and that's fine, like, if you're comfortable with the
00:44:01decisions that you've made, and they're, hang on, hang on, hang on, if you're, and I would
00:44:05also appreciate it if you're going to do a call-in show, honestly, headsets are like
00:44:0910 bucks, 15 bucks.
00:44:11It would be a little easier to hear what you're saying, because it's really tough to follow,
00:44:15because it's a very, very tinny speaker.
00:44:18And so, it's a little easier, just for a future reference with call-in shows, headsets are
00:44:23very, very cheap, and you will do a lot better that way in terms of trying to get your point
00:44:29across to me.
00:44:30And I don't even know if this is usable, because I don't know if people are going to understand
00:44:33what it is that you're saying.
00:44:35But, yeah, my sort of point is that I think it's a challenging, and it's a challenging
00:44:40Aristotelian mean question or conversation is, if you choose to get married, and you choose
00:44:47to have children, how much risk should you take on in order to do the right thing?
00:44:52And this is a very big and challenging question.
00:44:55You know, there was a, Tim Pool was reporting on X that there was a drive-by shooting against
00:45:00his property.
00:45:01Of course, we know about Charlie Kirk.
00:45:04Everybody knows about that.
00:45:05And there's been a variety of people who've been talking about this, and it is a big and
00:45:11challenging question.
00:45:11If you're just a guy, and you don't get married, and you don't have kids, then obviously you need
00:45:16to think about the security of your society as a whole, and you have fewer factors to take
00:45:22into account when it comes to trying to do the right thing and trying to oppose malevolent
00:45:29or evil or negative forces, I think it's a complex question about this, and the cost-benefit
00:45:36needs to be weight, because you've chosen to get married and have children, and you have
00:45:41to do what's best for them.
00:45:42And I also, of course, completely understand that trying to make the world a better place,
00:45:46or at least have it stop becoming a worse place, is an important part of being a parent
00:45:51as well.
00:45:51So it's complex, it's a challenging question, and it's hard to know how to come to the right
00:46:00decision.
00:46:01And of course, the right decision, which is good today, may change tomorrow if the laws
00:46:05change, or whatever it is, you get particular threats.
00:46:08So it sounds like you're very comfortable with the decisions that you have made, and
00:46:14so I won't continue the conversation.
00:46:17I'm not sure what you were asking, if I'm sort of trying to get information and trying
00:46:21to understand what sort of the costs and benefits are.
00:46:25And, you know, I mean, you don't know me, right?
00:46:27So I understand that.
00:46:29But honestly, to give me a lecture on the importance of making the world a better place, as if I
00:46:35don't know that, as if I haven't taken a lot of negatives for the cause, I'm not saying
00:46:41it's offensive or anything like that, because you probably don't know who I am.
00:46:45But I don't really need to be lectured on the importance of making some sacrifices to make
00:46:51the world a better place.
00:46:52That's an obvious thing.
00:46:53That's why we're having the conversation.
00:46:55It would be like if I hired a consultant to come in to my business and I got a lecture
00:47:00on it's important to make more money than you spend, it would be like, I'm not really
00:47:04sure why you would need to say something that obvious.
00:47:07But anyway, and I wish everyone the very best with these challenges.
00:47:11It is, you know, and most people who want to make the world a better place do it because
00:47:15they have kids.
00:47:16But in your fight to make the world a better place, you know, it can be challenging for your
00:47:20kids.
00:47:21So these are very complex and difficult issues.
00:47:24And again, if you want to call back in with fewer details and maybe a headset where I can
00:47:28hear every word rather than trying to guess what's in between every second or third word,
00:47:32I'd appreciate that.
00:47:33Pleb, you had a question or comment if you would like to speak up.
00:47:38I'm all ears, my friend.
00:47:40Hey, Steph.
00:47:41Happy Sunday.
00:47:43You too.
00:47:44So I've tried looking through the archives.
00:47:47There might be something in there.
00:47:49I'll keep looking.
00:47:51But as for now, I was going to get your opinion.
00:47:53I got something that kind of gets under my skin.
00:47:56So I have a younger sister around 12.
00:47:59And we have same dad, different mom, without getting too many personal details.
00:48:06But so our dad is like really what they would call tight, doesn't spend a lot of money.
00:48:13And anyway, so I kind of what he would call spoil her, as in like I'll take her out to
00:48:20eat a lot.
00:48:21I kind of don't really say no to her, but she doesn't ask for a lot.
00:48:24And it really gets under my skin when he calls her spoiled.
00:48:29I'd like something about that bothers me because to me, I don't understand what the problem is.
00:48:35And like, especially someone you care about, you know, taking them out to eat or treating
00:48:41them pretty good, especially being a 12-year-old.
00:48:44For example, he got her breakfast from like a gas station and she didn't like the food.
00:48:51I mean, it's freaking gas station food.
00:48:54And I ended up bringing her against her or something better.
00:48:57And he called her spoiled because of that.
00:48:59And that kind of bothered me.
00:49:00So I wouldn't mind if I need to add more, I can, but I wouldn't mind getting your thoughts
00:49:06on the whole spoiled thing.
00:49:10Yeah, yeah, that's it.
00:49:10It's a good question.
00:49:12What's your father's history with money?
00:49:16Never really had any and was more like a partier.
00:49:19He partied a whole lot and a heavy drinker.
00:49:22Does he still drink?
00:49:24Oh, yeah.
00:49:25Yes, sir.
00:49:25Okay, so how much money do you think he spends every week on his foul alcohol?
00:49:34It's probably, it is definitely a good bit.
00:49:38It's close to the hundreds.
00:49:40So hundreds of dollars a week, or let's say even just $100 a week, he is spending on alcohol.
00:49:48Yes, sir.
00:49:49Okay.
00:49:51And how long has he been doing that for?
00:49:53Oh, man.
00:49:54Probably since he was in his late 20s, early 30s, and he's 50 now.
00:50:02Okay.
00:50:03All right.
00:50:04So let's just do a little bit of math, right?
00:50:07So 25 years, would you say?
00:50:09Yes.
00:50:10Okay.
00:50:11So that's $130,000 he spent on alcohol.
00:50:15Now, to make $130,000 in after-tax money, you know, depending on your tax rate, right?
00:50:23I mean, you said he doesn't have a lot of money.
00:50:25So, you know, let's give him just a 25% tax rate.
00:50:31So he's got to make $162,000 over 25 years.
00:50:36In other words, he's spending $6,500 a year on alcohol for 25 years, right?
00:50:43That's $160,000 and change, right?
00:50:46Yeah.
00:50:47And tell me if that math.
00:50:47And that's with only $100 a week, which is pretty low for somebody who's abusing alcohol.
00:50:53But, you know, we'll not push it up to a quarter mil of income or earnings or something like that, right?
00:50:58But if you buy, so he's blowing all of this horrible money, sorry, he's blowing all of this money on a horrible habit that makes him emotionally unavailable, that wrecks and destroys his health, right?
00:51:13That destroys his ambition, that interferes with his sleep.
00:51:16And he has the nerve to say when you buy your sister some eggs and sausages and toast that you're spoiling her.
00:51:26Yep.
00:51:27Okay.
00:51:28When was the last time you talked to your father?
00:51:31I mean, is it fair to call it alcoholism?
00:51:33It sounds like it, but I don't want to be unfair.
00:51:36Oh, definitely.
00:51:37Okay.
00:51:38Would you say it's rampant alcoholism?
00:51:41Would that be like non-functioning or?
00:51:45So to me, no, rampant is like a lot of, like, so if you drink every day, technically you're supposed to be some sort of alcoholic.
00:51:51A rampant alcoholism to me would be like it's significantly interferes with your life.
00:51:56And also you drink, yeah, maybe to the point of passing out or vomiting or, you know, not being able to function the next day, like on a weekly basis.
00:52:04I mean, that's just my amateur, obviously made up standard that I've sort of worked with for many years, but.
00:52:09Yeah, that can, that, that sounds about right.
00:52:11Okay.
00:52:12So when did you last talk to him or try to get him help for this rampant alcoholism?
00:52:20Uh, so let's see.
00:52:23So most, so most of the year I try to talk to him about it, but, um, you know, the, the farthest it gets with him is, uh, yeah, I'm going to try.
00:52:33I'm going to try.
00:52:34But, you know, that that's about as far as that goes.
00:52:38And is your mother in the picture?
00:52:41Yes, but they've been separated for, since I was real a kid.
00:52:45Okay.
00:52:46And who takes care of your sister, your, the 12 year old girl, who takes her, takes, takes care of her for the most part?
00:52:57Um, so we have different moms.
00:52:59So her mom and her mom's husband, which is a pretty, pretty decent.
00:53:04Both of them are pretty decent.
00:53:06Okay.
00:53:07So what percentage of the time is she with your father?
00:53:10Um, one, one weekend every two weeks, I believe is how it goes.
00:53:18And does he drink on that weekend?
00:53:21Yes.
00:53:22So she would be somewhat at risk as far as I understand it.
00:53:26Uh, yeah, I guess.
00:53:29Yeah, sure.
00:53:30Like you can't drink and be a parent.
00:53:33Yeah, definitely not.
00:53:34I mean, and you say, well, you know, but I'm able to cook.
00:53:36It's like, but what if your kid has an accident?
00:53:39What if there's a problem?
00:53:40What if there's a fire?
00:53:41What if she cuts herself?
00:53:43What if she falls down the stairs?
00:53:44I mean, you staring there like an idiot in your alcohol, sodden monkey brain, right?
00:53:50That's wretched.
00:53:51So you can't drink and be a parent.
00:53:54It's like drinking and driving.
00:53:55Oh, well, you know, a lot of people who drink and drive, they do okay.
00:53:58It's like, well, yes, but until they don't, they make it home alive.
00:54:02Well, until they don't.
00:54:05So, I mean, tell me if I'm wrong.
00:54:06Tell me, tell me if I'm overreacting.
00:54:08I'm, it's always possible.
00:54:10I hate alcohol as a whole, but is your sister in a safe and secure environment with a guy
00:54:19drinking that much?
00:54:21Uh, I wouldn't say so.
00:54:22No, that's usually why I'm around so much.
00:54:25Right.
00:54:26Does his ex-wife, does the girl's mother know about this alcoholism?
00:54:33Yep.
00:54:34Okay.
00:54:35So, why is she sending her kid over to a guy who's got a serious alcohol addiction?
00:54:44Uh, the only thing I would be able to come up with is, um, you know, the, oh, it's her
00:54:51dad kind of thing.
00:54:52And they don't think further than that.
00:54:54Okay.
00:54:55Have you talked with the girl's mother about the risks she's exposing her daughter to?
00:55:00And again, it's not just in case there's an accident, but people aren't themselves when
00:55:04they drink.
00:55:05If they liked themselves, they wouldn't drink.
00:55:07They drink to not be themselves.
00:55:10And if this guy's had, you know, alcohol poisoning, I'm not saying from a sort of medical
00:55:16standpoint, but, you know, excessive drinking for 25 years ain't exactly great for your health
00:55:21and your brain.
00:55:23So, have you talked to the girl's mother about the problems involved in sending her daughter
00:55:31over for a weekend to the house of a drunk?
00:55:35I haven't yet.
00:55:36That's been coming up, too.
00:55:38Okay.
00:55:38So, aside from your care, is it your half-sister or your full-sister?
00:55:45Half.
00:55:46Okay.
00:55:47And listen, the fact that she's got you in her life is wonderful, and I applaud you for
00:55:51that, and, you know, I'd send you to heaven with angel wings if I could.
00:55:56Sorry, that sounds a bit sinister.
00:55:57After you die of natural causes.
00:55:59But, so, what's the benefit of your relationship with your father outside of your concern for
00:56:07your half-sister?
00:56:08Yeah, there really is no benefit, I guess.
00:56:11I mean, because I have tried to help out of somewhat caring, but there isn't, doesn't
00:56:17seem like there's much he wants to, to help himself.
00:56:21Well, have you ever heard of something called an intervention?
00:56:25Yes.
00:56:27Okay, and what's your understanding of that?
00:56:29I'm not trying to quiz you, I just want to make sure we're on the same page.
00:56:32No, you're fine.
00:56:32I mean, I'm probably going to say this wrong, but maybe getting people around that he cares
00:56:40about or that cares about him and to maybe convince the right word for him to get help.
00:56:48Yeah, I'm no expert.
00:56:50I've just watched a couple of shows on it, so don't take this as any kind of prescription
00:56:53for action.
00:56:54But my understanding is you get an addiction expert involved, which I always suggest to
00:56:58get the experts involved, like don't do your own dentistry and don't do your own interventions.
00:57:03But from what I've seen, you get an expert involved who leads the intervention.
00:57:08And the intervention is you get the person to go to a location where all of the people
00:57:14who are still in his life, who've been affected by his alcoholism, they write letters usually
00:57:19ahead of time, or maybe they can speak extemporaneously, but they write letters ahead of time and they
00:57:24say, I hate to, you know, but they say, here's how your alcoholism has affected me, right?
00:57:31Here's the negatives and the problems that have accrued to me as the result of your alcoholism.
00:57:36So, not to put you wholly on the spot, but if you were to say to your father how his alcoholism
00:57:43has affected you over your life, what would you say?
00:57:48I would say it puts us in danger.
00:57:53Okay, go on.
00:57:56I'm not going to say the right word, I don't think, but it has the potential to rub off someone
00:58:02as young as her, which is definitely a negative.
00:58:06And what about your, and I appreciate that, but what about your emotions?
00:58:11Well, yeah, that one definitely too, because, you know, definitely not a dad, definitely
00:58:18emotional, emotionally unavailable, which, you know, sucks.
00:58:23Yeah, and that's a very neutral term for like, they're just like a brain-soaked zombie, right?
00:58:30Yeah.
00:58:31Yeah.
00:58:32So, you don't get good conversation, you don't get curiosity, you don't get emotional mirroring,
00:58:36you don't get connection, they're just kind of half-sodden and laying around or burping
00:58:42a little or maybe getting irrationally angry, but they're just like this broken, alcohol-fueled
00:58:47robot of decay.
00:58:49Yep, yep.
00:58:49So, I'm sorry, I'm really, really sorry.
00:58:53Alcohol is a tremendous curse in society, but almost no upside.
00:58:58But, so the intervention, again, in my amateur understanding, the intervention goes something
00:59:03like this, that you get the intervention specialist, you get the addiction specialist, and the addiction
00:59:08specialist goes around and says, okay, what's the list of all the people who've been, who
00:59:12are still in this person's life and are negatively affected by the alcohol, which would be just
00:59:17about everyone who's in this life, and just so, I mean, off the top of your head, how
00:59:21many people would you say, assuming that there was, you could just teleport people in, how
00:59:26many people would you say are still in your dad's life who've been negatively affected
00:59:30by his drinking?
00:59:32Um, yeah, there's at least five that would be considered close that definitely have been
00:59:38negatively affected.
00:59:40And what about the people who would care about your father, who aren't necessarily super close,
00:59:44but would care about, or have, there's some splash damage, some negative effect, like
00:59:48maybe, maybe the girl's father is not close to your, your father, your, your half sister's
00:59:53father is not close to your father, but he's negatively affected by the drinking, right?
00:59:57Yes.
00:59:58So how many people do you think, if you sort of widen the net outside of just those who
01:00:01are very close to him, uh, how many people do you think there would be?
01:00:05Probably like two or three, just because he's, uh, he's always been, like, well, you said
01:00:10it earlier about the anger, because they're just very angry, yes.
01:00:15Right, right.
01:00:17Okay, so we've got maybe seven or eight people as a whole, and, and is that including you?
01:00:22That's including you, right?
01:00:23So seven or eight people, so the intervention specialist would just sit your father down,
01:00:27and he might need to be tricked into coming, because a lot of the time in the shows that
01:00:32I've seen, the person is like, hey, what is this, right?
01:00:35And so there'd be sort of seven or eight people, plus the addiction specialist sitting down,
01:00:40and they'd say something like, you know, your dad's name, whatever it is, call him Bob.
01:00:44So Bob, uh, you know, there have been people who've been really upset by your alcoholism
01:00:49and your drinking issues, and we want to sit down, and just so you get a sense of how it's
01:00:54affecting the people around you, and blah, blah, blah, and then people read out how the drinking
01:00:59has negatively affected them.
01:01:02And then, at least in most of the interventions that I've seen, there is a consequence.
01:01:07So they'd say, listen, you have to go to treatment, you have to go to dry out, you have to go to
01:01:12rehab, or you're cut off.
01:01:14Like, I won't have anything to do with you anymore.
01:01:16So there is a, uh, a, we care about you, we, we want the best for you.
01:01:22Maybe people say, I think it would be largely sentimental at this point, but say, we love you.
01:01:26Here's how your drinking has negatively affected us, and here's what we're going to do if you
01:01:31don't get help.
01:01:32Like, we, we're gonna, we have to keep our daughter safe, uh, we are not gonna invite
01:01:37you to Christmas family dinner, we're like, you, you, we're tired of, of propping this
01:01:41up, we're tired of all of this, and you have to go and get help, or we're cutting you off,
01:01:48like, from, from the relationship.
01:01:50And again, that's not, I, I don't know whether that's always, but that's most of the ones that
01:01:55I've seen.
01:01:56And then the goal is, and the addiction specialist sets all this up beforehand, and because the
01:02:04person will say, oh, you know, yeah, I've got a couple of things to finish up, and generally
01:02:07what I've seen is, no, you gotta go now.
01:02:10Like, the car is waiting outside for you to go to rehab.
01:02:13Because I assume that the general theory is that if you allow them to delay, they'll just
01:02:20go back to their old ways, and the whole thing is pointless.
01:02:22So, a lot of the ones that I've seen is, like, the, the car is waiting to take you to rehab.
01:02:27We've, we've talked to your boss, we've made a rate, like, whatever it is, because I'll
01:02:30come up with all these excuses as to why, well, I can't do it now, I can't, because blah, blah,
01:02:34blah.
01:02:35And it's like, no, it's, it's now or never.
01:02:38You have to go now.
01:02:39And a lot of times, people will go, sometimes they won't.
01:02:43But that's my, again, obviously, admittedly, amateur understanding of what an intervention is.
01:02:48Have you guys ever thought of anything like that?
01:02:52Yes, I have.
01:02:53And I have an older sister.
01:02:56She does, she, she has mood, but she has also thought about it with me, too.
01:03:02And maybe they could do it over FaceTime or some sort of video call or whatever.
01:03:06I mean, if they can't make it or whatever.
01:03:08But what, what do you think is preventing you?
01:03:12I don't know if it's the right thing to do or not, obviously, but it should be on the table,
01:03:15right?
01:03:15So what do you think is preventing you from taking that approach?
01:03:20Uh, just knowing how he is, is probably the biggest thing that's the, or the biggest
01:03:24obstacle for me, because it, it seems a bit futile, but I guess if I don't try it right,
01:03:30I wouldn't know.
01:03:31Well, you need to find out if it's futile.
01:03:33Yes.
01:03:33Because let's say, let's say that you, I mean, a significant alcoholism is obviously horrendous
01:03:41for people's health, right?
01:03:43I mean, everyone looks at smoking and, you know, obviously that's a pretty vivid one,
01:03:46right?
01:03:46So, um, heavy alcoholism is just brutal for people's health.
01:03:52And how is his health doing as a whole?
01:03:54Oh yeah, it's terrible.
01:03:55And then, and then, yeah, I mean, the alcohol plus the smoking also, he's a heavy smoker.
01:04:00Oh, he's a cigarette smoker too, right?
01:04:02Oh yeah.
01:04:03Okay.
01:04:04So his health is, I mean, I mean, how, how long, how is his health doing?
01:04:07I mean, how much time does he have?
01:04:09Uh, time, I don't know, but his health has deteriorated because he's, um, he was always
01:04:14very, uh, lean and skinny when he was younger and definitely put on a, a, quite a bit of
01:04:21weight now.
01:04:22Yeah.
01:04:22Because it's, uh, I mean, alcohol is a, it's a sugar, right?
01:04:26So, I mean, people sort of forget that as a whole, right?
01:04:29Yep.
01:04:30So how much do you think people's life expectancy is reduced?
01:04:35Even if we just take into account the smoking, how much do you think life expectancy is reduced
01:04:40to people who are significant alcoholics?
01:04:43Um, I would say 20, 30 years, maybe it takes off.
01:04:48Yeah.
01:04:49Bang on.
01:04:4924 to 28 years.
01:04:51Damn.
01:04:52Right.
01:04:53So he's in his fifties, right?
01:04:57Yes.
01:04:58And he's a smoker.
01:04:59Yep.
01:05:00So isn't he kind of dying statistically?
01:05:04Oh yeah, definitely.
01:05:05So help me understand, like, what's worse than watching him die?
01:05:11And he could die when your half sister is with him.
01:05:16Imagine how traumatic that is for her.
01:05:18Yep.
01:05:19Thought about that one.
01:05:20So what's, what's worse than watching him die?
01:05:23I'm not saying he's dying, but in terms of statistics, it's not looking good.
01:05:26Right?
01:05:27Yeah.
01:05:27Um, did the, the question about, well, it's worse than watching him die.
01:05:33Yeah.
01:05:34Cause you're saying, well, we thought of the intervention, but you know, the way he is,
01:05:39blah, blah, blah.
01:05:40I mean, he's just, he's, I mean, to my view, I'm not saying he's suicidal, but that's just
01:05:45kind of killing yourself.
01:05:46If you, if you take those kinds of approaches and don't fix them, right?
01:05:50Yeah.
01:05:50Yeah.
01:05:52Okay.
01:05:52So what's worse than this?
01:05:53Like what, what have you got to lose?
01:05:56Yeah.
01:05:56I mean that, yeah, that's true.
01:05:57I mean, they don't really have anything else to lose.
01:06:01I mean, so let's say that, okay, let's say, cause it's your life, right?
01:06:06So what is your worst outcome for an intervention?
01:06:12Well, what do you think would happen that's so negative or the, it's the most negative.
01:06:16The most negative would probably be like, uh, just anger and rage and screaming.
01:06:21That's probably the worst other than that.
01:06:24Okay.
01:06:24So if he does the anger and rage and screaming, what is the outcome of that?
01:06:30So I assume that people are saying, listen, you've got to go get help because I'm, I'm
01:06:34not going to basically just suffer and watch you drink yourself to death, which is, you
01:06:38know, this sort of leaving Las Vegas end game is, is probably not too unlikely if he's
01:06:43drinking and smoking and overweight.
01:06:44I mean, the idea that he could make it to 60 seems statistically less than massively
01:06:50likely.
01:06:51So, okay.
01:06:52So let's say he yells and screams and is abusive and you know, you, whatever terrible
01:06:57word.
01:06:58Okay.
01:06:59So then what, what, what, what then what, what's, I mean, I get that that's horrible
01:07:03and unpleasant, but what is the negative outcome out of that?
01:07:06That is so concerning.
01:07:07Cause that's something that will come and go, I think, uh, most negative outcome out
01:07:14of that.
01:07:14I can think of it that that would, that would feel any, um, any thought or in any hope that
01:07:21he would get help because he has, um, I should add this.
01:07:24He has cut back, but that doesn't, you know what I mean?
01:07:27That doesn't mean much in the grand scheme because you're just going to start back rampant
01:07:32again.
01:07:33Right.
01:07:34So, okay.
01:07:35So let's say that you get out of, out of the intervention.
01:07:41Let's say that you get a certainty that he is not going to get, he's not going to seek
01:07:47help.
01:07:47He's not going to stop drinking and, and he's just going to continue to deteriorate until
01:07:54he dies probably relatively soon statistically.
01:07:57Right.
01:07:57So, okay.
01:07:58So let's, let's say that you find that out.
01:08:01Then what?
01:08:03Uh, I find out, uh, I'm sorry.
01:08:05Repeat that.
01:08:05I was donning in on it.
01:08:07No, sorry.
01:08:08It was my, my, it was my fault.
01:08:09The question was too long.
01:08:10Okay.
01:08:11So let's say that he yells and screams and won't get any help.
01:08:14So then what?
01:08:14What's the negative outcome that comes out of that?
01:08:17Um, he drinks himself to death.
01:08:19Okay.
01:08:20So he's going to do that.
01:08:22Do you want to be around for that?
01:08:23If you can't do anything, assuming that your half sister is safe.
01:08:28Assuming she's safe.
01:08:29I don't really want to be around that.
01:08:31Okay.
01:08:33So if you can find a way to keep your half sister safe, if then the intervention,
01:08:40has no horribly negative outcome in the longterm.
01:08:44I'm obviously, it's unpleasant in the moment, which I don't want to pretend isn't a thing.
01:08:48Like that's a thing.
01:08:49It's very unpleasant, but there's no negative outcome in the long run, because why would
01:08:55you want to be around someone who's just drinking themselves to death?
01:09:01Yeah.
01:09:02Yeah.
01:09:03So.
01:09:04No, I mean, yeah, you're right.
01:09:07Um, yeah, that being around that, yeah, it sucks.
01:09:11Well, and if you want to do that, which is best, and I get your, your care and your concern
01:09:17and your love for your half sister, which is wonderful.
01:09:19And, and she's going to benefit from it enormously over the course of her life.
01:09:22That's lovely.
01:09:23But is she seeing her family stand up to someone who's self-destructive and abusive?
01:09:31Cause you say you're concerned and I'm sure you're right.
01:09:34She's going to yell and scream and, and all of that.
01:09:36Right.
01:09:36So is your, is your, is your, is your half sister seeing people stand up to people who
01:09:43are malevolent or dangerous or destructive?
01:09:46Uh, not directly.
01:09:48No.
01:09:49Right.
01:09:50Okay.
01:09:51Indirectly.
01:09:53Yeah.
01:09:53Uh, indirectly, I guess I mean more like I talked to her a whole lot cause she, uh, she
01:09:58seems comfortable talking to me.
01:09:59So, um, yeah, she, she knows, she, she definitely knows how things are and, uh, I will,
01:10:06add to it that, um, I'm pleased that she, uh, frowns upon like smoking and drinking, like
01:10:13she hates all of it and she's 12.
01:10:15So that, that's pretty cool to hear.
01:10:16Right.
01:10:17Okay.
01:10:18All right.
01:10:20So what do you need to do?
01:10:23Try to start an intervention and see how that goes.
01:10:26And if it doesn't work out, then maybe talk to her mom more about, Hey, she doesn't need
01:10:35to be around this as much or at all really, unless maybe you come over, like if she comes
01:10:41over, like her mom comes with her for Christmas or something, uh, maybe in that ballpark.
01:10:46Right.
01:10:47So I'm again, just a podcaster.
01:10:50So my suggestion would be that you talk to someone who has expertise in this area, somebody
01:10:58who's an addiction counselor and addiction specialist.
01:11:00I'm sure you can find them either directly, or you can call the local AA, uh, Alcoholics
01:11:06Anonymous chapter, and they will, and say, listen, this is the issue.
01:11:09And please, please, please get yourself to an expert who can guide you.
01:11:13Don't be passive because, you know, and listen, I say this with all absolute deep and humble
01:11:18sympathy towards you, because one of the things that people with addictions do is they train
01:11:22everyone around them to be passive because they keep putting them in endless, impossible
01:11:26situations.
01:11:28So what I would say is that it's really, really important to get some specialist, to get some
01:11:37specialized help.
01:11:39And with people who know what they're doing, who can arrange all of this, who can set it
01:11:43all up.
01:11:44And, uh, you know, obviously it's going to cost some money and, uh, I'm sure that the family
01:11:49can all chip in for that.
01:11:51Cause if you spread it out, if you spread the cost out among, you know, seven or eight
01:11:56people, I'm sure it can be, uh, dealt with.
01:11:59But I think that trying, you know, when you deal with really dysfunctional people, they,
01:12:03they train you into a kind of horrible passivity and it's, I completely understand it.
01:12:09And I, I don't, I don't have any criticism of it, but that's passivity because you, you
01:12:15can't ever be listened to.
01:12:16You can't ever have an effect.
01:12:17And people don't change, change their behavior based upon your good advice or counsel.
01:12:21And it's wretched and trying to get out of this kind of passivity and say, look, I just
01:12:31have to take charge.
01:12:32And I don't know how old you are and you don't have to tell me, but it was sort of in my
01:12:36late twenties, early thirties that I sort of pivoted from just trying to manage people
01:12:39to actually having needs and preferences and expectations that they had to at least work
01:12:44towards fulfilling.
01:12:45Like I sat down with people in my life and say, look, here's the things that I'm not
01:12:49getting that I need.
01:12:49And there, you know, I, I, I was in therapy, so I checked the legitimacy of those needs
01:12:54and all that kind of stuff so that it wasn't some sort of crazy thing.
01:12:57But I sat down with people and said, look, I've kind of conformed to what you need.
01:13:02And, you know, there's been value in that, but I, I do have some needs that you're going
01:13:05to have to try and fulfill or work towards and so on.
01:13:08Right.
01:13:08So like with my mother, you know, she was always talking about these endless legal battles that
01:13:13she was wrapped up in or involved in, and I never got really a word in edgewise.
01:13:17And I said, look, I mean, I, I sympathize with the legal stuff, but I, you know, my experience
01:13:22is that that's kind of all we talk about.
01:13:24And I'd like to have our relationship be more about than just your legal issues.
01:13:28And then my mother was like, ah, you're working with the insurance companies.
01:13:31They got to you somehow like, and it was just like, okay, so, you know, with sympathy to
01:13:35her, obviously mentally challenging situation, it's like, okay, so I can't have any needs.
01:13:42I can't have any preferences.
01:13:44I can't have any needs in this relationship.
01:13:47And that's destructive.
01:13:49And, you know, again, I have a lot more sympathy for my mother now than I used to because of
01:13:53the war.
01:13:53And now that I know more about what happened in Germany after the war and, you know, the
01:13:57horrors that she was subjected to, but nonetheless, uh, it wasn't my fault.
01:14:01And I still have to look towards my own mental health and the happiness and stability of my
01:14:06life, because there's no point the war taking down two generations, right?
01:14:11And even if somebody is not responsible for the illness that they have, if they're contagious,
01:14:15you still have to take your, your space from them, especially if you have kids, which you
01:14:20can also infect.
01:14:21So, so yeah, my suggestion would be talk to an addiction counselor and talk to an intervention
01:14:27specialist and describe the situation.
01:14:30Obviously don't take my advice because I'm not a specialist, but talk to it.
01:14:33I mean, you certainly are trying to deal with a, a series of powerful addictions.
01:14:37I mean, alcohol and nicotine are two powerful addictions.
01:14:40If there's overeating involved as well, that's another addiction.
01:14:43And if he's the sort of the triple threat, uh, in the opposite way that I was talking about
01:14:46at the beginning of the show, I would suggest it stop being passive.
01:14:50Again, with all sympathy and no disrespect for any passivity, but you're going to have
01:14:55to find a way to deal with this in a proactive way because the splash damage of being around
01:14:59really dysfunctional people is significant.
01:15:02It, it, it goes out into your professional life.
01:15:05It goes out into your relationships.
01:15:06It goes out into dating, right?
01:15:08Because if you date some high quality woman and she's like, oh, you have a rampant alcoholic
01:15:12father who's still in your life and kind of dominating a lot of your decisions and you're
01:15:16still bothered.
01:15:17I mean, so when you, and when you listen back to this, like you'll, you know, that you're
01:15:21bothered by your father calling your half sister spoiled when he's kind of wrecking everyone's
01:15:28life around him.
01:15:29The calling someone spoiled is like the least of the issues.
01:15:31So I would suggest get to a, an addiction specialist and take their coaching on how to deal with
01:15:36this.
01:15:37But I think the time for crossing your fingers is past.
01:15:40I appreciate that stuff.
01:15:42And this has been, uh, wrote down and yeah, I'm definitely going to re-listen to this.
01:15:47It was a great conversation.
01:15:49And before I leave, I would like to add that, um, my sister likes listening to the ones you
01:15:54do with Izzy.
01:15:55So that's pretty cool.
01:15:56And, uh, I think I'm gonna get her a hat, a free domain merch for Christmas and a Merry
01:16:02Christmas stuff.
01:16:04That's very kind.
01:16:05I appreciate that.
01:16:05And please, please keep me posted.
01:16:07You can email me, host, H-O-S-T, at freedomain.com.
01:16:11And I hope that you will keep me posted about how things are going and my very, very best
01:16:15luck to you and my very deepest sympathies for what you are dealing with.
01:16:18All right, Ranshid, you have a question, a comment, an issue.
01:16:22How can I best help you, my friend?
01:16:24You will need to unmute.
01:16:26Yes, sir.
01:16:27Going once, going twice.
01:16:28Ranshid, I appreciate your patience.
01:16:30I'm sorry.
01:16:31It took a while to get to you.
01:16:32If you're still around, if you're still with us, my friend.
01:16:35Going once.
01:16:38There's room.
01:16:39If Ranshid is not around, there's room for somebody else if you want to jump in.
01:16:43He's, I see an applause thing.
01:16:46Uh, I'm sorry.
01:16:48I'll just give it one more, one more try.
01:16:50Yes, no.
01:16:51Yes, no.
01:16:52My pleasure.
01:16:53Thank you for your patience.
01:16:54And yes, that's right.
01:16:57I am Indian.
01:16:58I am currently studying English in the Republic of Ireland, and also I work as a delivery driver and a taxi driver, and I also work in a mobile phone store.
01:17:06And I am living in a house with a small group of 18 other Indian men.
01:17:13I would like to bring your attention to the campaign of the misinformation against the Indian people.
01:17:18All right.
01:17:19Go for it.
01:17:20It issues and toilet emergencies and blaming on Indians.
01:17:24Pakistan are the dogs of the world.
01:17:26They even attack in other Muslim countries like Afghanistan.
01:17:30Indians are hard work.
01:17:31Okay, so apparently he wants to, he wants to dispel racist images about Indians while calling Pakistanis the dogs of the world.
01:17:45Okay, so, so that's, you know, just from a philosophical standpoint, that's, and I really don't want that, that kind of talk on the show, whatever, right?
01:17:53I mean, he can start his own show to spread that kind of stuff, which I would, you know, just disagree with.
01:17:58I mean, so, I mean, if you are going to say that my group is unfairly maligned, then unfairly maligning another group is probably not the way to go, because then what happens is you don't have any logical leg to stand on, right?
01:18:14So, unfortunately, I would say that you probably have not done much to dispel people's concerns, right?
01:18:22Because if you say, well, my group shouldn't be unfairly aligned, but that group, they're all dogs.
01:18:26They're the dogs of the world.
01:18:27It's like, okay, so you don't have any problem with unfairly maligning groups.
01:18:31You just don't like it when it happens to you.
01:18:33And this is a philosophical show wherein we deal with universals and morals.
01:18:38And if rampant hypocrisy is the first thing that comes out of your mouth, I don't imagine a particularly productive conversation is going to go from there.
01:18:48So, all right, if there's anybody else, questions, garbage, issues, challenges, love to hear what is on your mind, my friends.
01:18:57Or we can close and I can put on my wellies and go do some to bargaining.
01:19:04Slay queen.
01:19:05All right.
01:19:06Well, thanks, everyone, for a great chat today.
01:19:08Oh, a couple of little items.
01:19:10I just wanted to mention the condensed version of Peaceful Parenting is out because the full version, I did not write the shortest book.
01:19:19I mean, it's a big topic, but the condensed version of Peaceful Parenting is out.
01:19:23You can go to peacefulparenting.com or peacefulparentingbook.com and you can order that.
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