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„Európának meg kell változtatnia a modern hadviselésről alkotott elképzeléseit” — Andrius Kubilius
Az EU-tagállamok légterébe betévedő drónok gyökeresen átalakítják a hadviselés doktrínáit, miközben az unió válasza továbbra is elégtelen – mondta az Euronewsnak az EU védelmi biztosa. Szerinte ezen a téren sokat tanulhatunk Ukrajnától.
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Az EU-tagállamok légterébe betévedő drónok gyökeresen átalakítják a hadviselés doktrínáit, miközben az unió válasza továbbra is elégtelen – mondta az Euronewsnak az EU védelmi biztosa. Szerinte ezen a téren sokat tanulhatunk Ukrajnától.
BŐVEBBEN : http://hu.euronews.com/2025/12/06/europanak-meg-kell-valtoztatnia-a-modern-hadviselesrol-alkotott-elkepzeleseit-andrius-kubi
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00:00hello and welcome to the europe conversation i'm stefan grober my guest today is a man who
00:13stood up to moscow when he was prime minister of lithuania more than 10 years ago an experience
00:19that serves him well today as the european union's first ever commissioner for defense
00:24andreus kubelius thank you for coming on the show sir my pleasure so as prime minister you took on
00:31the russian energy sector you claim compensation for damages during the soviet era in vain to this
00:38day problems that only sound too familiar in ukraine today does russia is ever going to change
00:47well i still hope that we shall see at some time many years in the future you know more normal
00:53russia today definitely russia with putin is a bigger threat to european security and we
01:00we see the terrible war in ukraine and that is what we were able to predict you know almost 10 years ago
01:08where russia is moving it's almost the more than a year now that you're commissioner for defense
01:14a portfolio that has become the most important the most consequential um within the european
01:19commission did you see that coming well when i was nominated as the first ever commissioner for
01:27defense and space uh he was quite uh skeptical opinions around that well what this commissioner
01:34will do that europe is not so much engaged into defense but that was really a very very prudent
01:42decision by commission president to establish such a portfolio because during this year really defense
01:48became one of the most important strategic priorities for the goal europe and we're doing quite a lot we
01:55managed to achieve you know we created a lot of what i call opportunities for member states to develop their
02:01defense capabilities especially financial opportunities for example safe loans and that allows us
02:10to move ahead with our very very clear plans what we call road map on defense readiness
02:16defense readiness which we need to achieve before 2030 let me uh follow up on this so the the european
02:23union has no army uh it doesn't have a command structure like uh nato so what does the eu
02:30bring to the table what can the eu that nato cannot do well nato has military power we have industrial power
02:37power and when we put both those things into one uh you know one one one system it brings really our
02:46defense readiness because nato is defining so-called capability targets defense capability targets in
02:52terms of how many tanks how many artillery pieces our armies needs to have and we are coming with our
02:59industrial policy uh as european union we we are now exactly uh coming to very important new stage with
03:11european defense industry program a new new new system of industrial policy instruments and also we can
03:19raise additional funds what we did for example with the safe loans we are planning to increase our defense
03:26spending in next multi-annual budget by five times so a lot of things which where we are really able
03:34to help member states to develop those capabilities which they need to have in order to be ready to
03:39defend and to deter whatever our adversaries are planning yeah and of course why is you're doing this
03:45because of the war in ukraine that is now uh four years and counting um the latest push by the trump
03:54administration to bring about peace between ukraine and russia um what is your assessment here should
04:00the ukrainians accept it well ukrainians really deserve peace and this criminal war really should be
04:08stopped but peace should come on a you know some kind of just basis you know and peace needs to bring
04:18guarantees that this such kind of peace will be sustainable and i'm not so sure that putin will
04:26agree with that so there are really well we can congratulate us administrations that they are pushing
04:35for peace of course some of the ideas maybe are you know not always acceptable and here european leaders
04:44are showing very very very very clear our position we are helping ukrainians also to withstand and to
04:53bring some new ideas but we shall see and it depends really on putin and i am not so sure that
05:01without without much stronger pressure on him that he will be convinced to sit down and to end this war
05:08a lot of people think that putin is the perfect trump whisperer on the international stage and that trump is doing this for
05:18different reasons like he wants to make money he wants to get the nobel peace prize how serious is this effort
05:24well i cannot you know evaluate here at least he's showing initiative he is trying to
05:29you know to push for peace that's you know we can't only congratulate if the ways in which you know
05:39those attempts are moving ahead if those ways are appropriate it's difficult to say history will show
05:46what would be important perhaps that we as europeans as european union should not wait always
05:52when you know some kind of new peace plans will come from washington dc it would be good for us also to
05:58have initiative on our side and to prepare our plan but how can europe do that trump is deliberately
06:05sidelining the europeans he doesn't want to deal with them yet we're there we're a neighbor of ukraine
06:12we're much more um impacted by by this war so what what can european diplomacy do exactly we can do as i
06:21said you know we can really be stronger and more effective in showing our support to ukraine
06:31in such a way that you know it would be a strong message to putin that he will not be able to achieve
06:36anything first of all our financial support support military support for example for uh ukrainian
06:43capabilities to me to do deep strikes into russian territory uh also you know our support to air defense
06:50systems in ukraine where they need to defend the energy infrastructure and so so there are things
06:56which we can you know move ahead we can put that into some kind of package and and that should be
07:03effective for our alternative peace plan so the latest um uh russian provocations have sort of changed
07:12the tone in european capitals and there are now more voices who say that europe should go on the offensive
07:18when it comes to hybrid uh attacks um etc um europe should hit back with offensive operations and all
07:28these things are you part of this chorus of voices well definitely you know we need to see that russian
07:35provocations or what we call hybrid war you know with provocations uh with drones now all that sabotage
07:43on railways even terroristic you know sabotage as it happened in poland demands from us much more clear
07:50strategy how we are reacting one thing is you know how we are able to defend ourselves against some of
07:57those provocations for example it appears that really our capabilities to detect drones once they are flying into
08:04our territory or to have cost effective means to to destroy them uh you know in in quite a deficit at the moment
08:14so we need to develop those capabilities technical technological capabilities but from another side we need
08:20really to be much more clear on our political reactions because we can just predict that russia you know if we shall not find the ways how how to stop them the russians will
08:22increase those provocations you know they will be happening much more often we can imagine that they are you know their volumes will become bigger and and that is what we really need to have in mind and there are of course proposals
08:38from different member states from from from ministers for example italian defense minister guido croseto proposed some kind of interesting paper on hybrid you know
09:00some kind of interesting paper on hybrid you know defense of europe where he's really proposing to be much more proactive in terms of uh you know our reactions to such kind of provocations
09:14what about the famous drone wall that was being floated a few weeks ago but but now uh it's it's uh ominously quiet around that i mean we're talking about a common border with russia of three thousand uh or something kilometer
09:28where do you come down on this drone wall yes or no well now we change simply the title because we understood that in some countries uh this you know terminology wall was difficult to understand how you can build drone wall and what does it mean
09:42so now we call it uh drone defense initiative and uh really it it you know discussions are continuing and uh as we understand very soon for example finland is uh calling a summit of eastern flank countries
09:58uh exactly from baltic sea to the black sea where some of those ideas will be discussed and uh so the program of eastern flank watch it has in inside of of of of the whole plan very strong element related with drone defense and and here really we can learn a lot from ukraine and that is what we are preparing to do
10:20you have been a warning voice uh you have been a warning voice uh on this matter here for for a long time uh whenever there was a russian drone incursion
10:28you said something now we need to act we're still ill prepared do you see europe moving into a common um position here um acting and not just talking
10:40i see i see i see i see really clear movements now we have so called you know drone defense initiative coalition led by by by netherlands and also latvians and croatians are leading that coalition
10:52we had last week we had very interesting industrial roundtable with all the you know producers of industrial producers of drones and anti-drone systems and now we are coming from from next year from the beginning of next year
11:09we shall have the new industrial program european defense industry program what we call with new instruments to assist member states to join themselves into development of some kind of joint projects regional projects with european defense projects of common interest
11:31so then as we see from national investment plans which were presented in relation with safe loans also quite a lot of countries are going to invest those money into development of their drone defense capabilities so things are moving maybe there is less of visibility but real job is really moving ahead
11:53so drones have been shot down over denmark over denmark over the baltics over romania um which is not a successful business model for those who dispatch these drones um but but where do you see this going the drone war is this the the the are these the arms of the future
12:11well what we need to see is that at the moment really drones are changing very much warfare doctrines
12:20and what we have seen really from technical point of view we understood that we have no and not enough of detection capabilities
12:29we have no you know cost effective means to destroy drones when you are shooting drone with a value of 10 000 euros
12:37you know with a missile which costs one million euros that's not not the best way to defend yourself
12:43and and second question really what was uh what was very clear also why we as europeans were not able to prepare ourselves
12:55during last several years when drones on a massive scale started to appear in ukraine back in 2023
13:01so it shows that really our our way of how we are preparing how we are how we are able
13:10to change our understanding of modern warfare doctrines it's again not at that level which we need to have
13:16so that is why we put very recently also communication on so-called defense industry transformation roadmap
13:26we need to move ahead that's the major message which we need to understand in this context you have
13:33suggested once that europe should integrate ukrainian battle-tested drone capabilities what exactly do you
13:41mean by that well uh and that is what we are discussing both with eastern flank countries from baltic sea to
13:49the black sea and also with ukrainians that their knowledge their experience in because really we can say
13:55that ukrainians build drone wall you know because they are really very effective in defending themselves
14:01against hundreds of drones flying each night it's very important to learn from ukrainians what we call
14:08ecosystem because what you can see in ukraine the drone producers are working together with operators
14:14operators are working you know from kiev center they're managing drones on the front line they're able to
14:21you know to have very very good digital statistics in order to follow what is happening on the front line
14:29and definitely they are able to innovate very quickly because what what they are saying that the drone
14:36which you are using at the moment in two months time becomes obsolete because russians are finding you
14:41know how to jam or you know to destroy those drones so those things really which is not so easy you know you
14:49cannot procure them very simply you need to work together with ukrainians in order to get that
14:55knowledge and that experience of that is why i'm always repeating that when we are building eastern
15:01flank watch when we want to build in also what we call at the very beginning drone wall you know on this
15:07border we need to do that together with ukrainians and including ukraine and that is what this experience
15:13of ukrainians can then spread into all europe and that would be beneficial for all of us
15:17now winning awards all about money as we have learned um many many times of the the 19 member states of the eu
15:27security action for europe program safe 15 have included support for ukraine how much money are we talking
15:36about here well we shall need to check because now we are reading you know those plans but we are talking here about
15:43billions it's not just millions you know it can be around five billion maybe but we shall know you
15:49know more precise numbers after we shall check after we shall in some in some cases we shall need to
15:55have conversation with the member states so this is important and it's important that really ukraine is
16:02included into those plans of member states where they are looking for joint procurement together with ukraine
16:11some member states are going to to establish uh joint uh you know manufacturing capacities on european
16:21union in european union countries but producing weapons for ukraine so from one side yes we are we are
16:29you know strengthening our support to ukraine from another side we are learning more and more from ukraine
16:34and that is where you know what i am calling that we are helping ukraine but also we are asking ukraine to
16:40help us with their knowledge is is this going to help ukraine in the long run defending the sovereignty
16:46of its well first of all we need to understand that you know the best security guarantee for ukraine is
16:51really their strong army which we can help them to build and that is why we have this uh porcupine
16:58strategy whatever it's called you know and that really ukraine ukrainian defense i like this mark yeah
17:05yeah it should be such you know that russians would not uh even think in the future you know
17:12uh to to start new aggressions against against ukraine and definitely they are battle-tested
17:17armies they are battle-tested industry very innovative industry also it's very beneficial for in in looking
17:23how we can build and how we can strengthen our own defense capabilities so that is why we need to look how
17:29we can integrate you know those capabilities and that is our future task commissioner you're also in
17:37charge of space sure amazing what what are the challenges here for europe well uh you know first of
17:48all definitely spaces of uh dual use and uh since i am you know defense and space so uh commissioner so
17:58we are spending quite a lot of our attention on how to develop those capabilities in space which are
18:04very much needed for defense uh second really we need to see that we are uh not so bad in space despite
18:11the fact that if you will ask you know people on the street they will say ah alan musk is you know doing
18:18everything europeans are very much behind but we need to remember that for example our navigation system
18:25galileo is the best in the world our s observation system is uh copernicus is the best in the in the
18:32world now we are building secure satellite communication system something like starlink
18:38so-called iris square and experts are saying that it will be better than starting so that's
18:42well where we are you know behind alan musk and where we need to catch up is of course
18:47uh our launching capabilities so but we are coming coming also here uh with new ideas and new
18:56developments what is important really for us when we are talking about uh about our space capabilities
19:02really to see how important is a modern warfare is space for defense we have you know intelligence
19:09systems we have secure satellite communication we have navigation but what what is everything is is
19:14is is absolutely no this is what we call strategic enablers and we need to develop them so we have new
19:21plans especially you know on intelligence data uh capabilities so-called s observation governmental service
19:30and we are moving moving ahead and space is what is important that in space we have good experience
19:38to build very successful pan-european projects which is not the case in defense so we need in defense we
19:44need to learn a lot from space all right andreas kubilius eu commissioner for defense and space
19:51thank you so much for coming on the show today thanks a lot thanks a lot
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