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El comisario de Migración de la UE: "Necesitamos recuperar la confianza de la gente"
El Comisario de Migración de la UE, Magnus Brunner, considera que el nuevo Pacto y Asilo y Migración va por buen camino para hacer frente a una cuestión que lleva muchos años alimentando el populismo.
MÁS INFORMACIÓN : http://es.euronews.com/2025/12/02/el-comisario-de-migracion-de-la-ue-necesitamos-recuperar-la-confianza-de-la-gente
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El Comisario de Migración de la UE, Magnus Brunner, considera que el nuevo Pacto y Asilo y Migración va por buen camino para hacer frente a una cuestión que lleva muchos años alimentando el populismo.
MÁS INFORMACIÓN : http://es.euronews.com/2025/12/02/el-comisario-de-migracion-de-la-ue-necesitamos-recuperar-la-confianza-de-la-gente
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02:08y después de eso tenemos que desarrollar toda la política.
02:13Hablando del mecanismo de retorno, hay una idea controversial de retorno.
02:18La idea de enviar individuos que no tienen derecho a estar en la EU
02:23a un tercer país. ¿Dónde estamos?
02:26¿Quién debería negociar aquí?
02:29¿Quién debería ser el partner de la otra parte?
02:32Alemania y Grecia están hablando con países en África, por ejemplo.
02:36Nuestro rol aquí como Comisión es para pavar el camino,
02:39para tener el reto legislativo también,
02:42y eso es lo que la regulación de retorno es sobre.
02:46Nos presentamos eso bastante rápido en los primeros 100 días,
02:50y ahora está en el Parlamento y en el Consejo,
02:53y para el Parlamento y el Consejo
02:55para tener un acuerdo al final de hoy.
02:58Pero es importante porque tenemos la situación
03:00de que solo uno de cinco personas que están ilegalmente en la Unión Europea
03:03y la Unión Europea, que están en realidad siendo retornados,
03:06lo que no es aceptable, diría, y lo que la gente en Europa no acepta,
03:10lo que yo totalmente entiendo.
03:12Por eso es por eso necesitamos nuevas reglas.
03:15Por eso es por eso la regulación es realmente importante.
03:18Y, sí, hay posibilidades para los Estados Unidos,
03:21para mirar a nuevos soluciones,
03:23nuevas, innovadoras soluciones,
03:25y ReturnHubs es uno de ellos.
03:28Así que pavar el camino,
03:30hacer el framework y hacer es posible para los Estados Unidos
03:34para mirar a posibilidades como ReturnHubs
03:37y eso es lo que hicimos con la Regulación de ReturnHubs.
03:40Pero no queremos la Comisión de Comisión
03:42de negociación en behalf de todos los Estados Unidos, ¿no?
03:44No, podemos apoyarlos, por supuesto,
03:46cuando se trata de acuerdo con los 3 países,
03:48donde tenemos la migración también en la mesa.
03:51La diplomacia de migración es importante.
03:53Pero, por supuesto, cuando se trata de concreto
03:56de acuerdo con los Estados Unidos,
03:58los Estados Unidos para negociar eso.
04:00Ellos tienen que enviarle el acuerdo antes
04:02de que nos enviamos el acuerdo
04:04para asegurarnos de asegurarnos
04:05de que todas las legislaciones se encuentran
04:08y todas las funciones se encuentran.
04:11Eso es importante,
04:13las garantías que están ahí,
04:14pero es para los Estados Unidos
04:16para discutir.
04:17Lo que es bueno, creo,
04:19y lo que me hace optimista,
04:21es que algunos Estados Unidos
04:22trabajan juntos ahí
04:24y tratan de encontrar soluciones comunes,
04:27que es bueno,
04:28y lo apoyan como Comisión.
04:29Así que, bajo las nuevas reglas,
04:30EU países deben distribuir,
04:32entre ellos,
04:33al menos 30,000 asylums
04:35por año,
04:36o pagar dinero,
04:39y hacer una contribución financiera.
04:41¿Qué pasa si todos los países
04:43opten por esa segunda opción?
04:45Bueno, vamos a ver.
04:46Bueno,
04:47solo hemos entregado
04:48el ciclo de solidaridad,
04:50el mecanismo,
04:51hace dos semanas,
04:52donde definimos
04:54cuál miembro de Estado
04:55está bajo cuál presión,
04:56que todos los Estados Unidos
04:58tienen diferentes desafíos.
04:59Todos están
05:00bajo la presión,
05:01pero, claro,
05:02en diferentes formas.
05:03Los Estados Unidos
05:04tienen diferentes desafíos
05:05que los Estados Unidos
05:06tienen diferentes desafíos
05:07que los Estados Unidos
05:08con la migración,
05:09por ejemplo.
05:10tratamos de...
05:11y tenemos claras reglas
05:12sobre eso en el pacto.
05:13Es un mecanismo
05:14y eso es lo que
05:16nos presentamos
05:17dos semanas
05:18a los Estados Unidos
05:19para el Consejo,
05:20y ahora es el Consejo
05:21para decidir.
05:22Y eso es,
05:23a tu pregunta,
05:24también,
05:26las negociaciones
05:27entre los Estados Unidos
05:28también,
05:29en qué dirección
05:30se van,
05:31pero para el Consejo
05:32para decidir,
05:33hopefully,
05:34en diciembre,
05:35ya,
05:36en el circuito
05:37de Solidaridad.
05:38La pregunta es,
05:39por supuesto,
05:40un poco provocante.
05:41No cada país
05:42hará eso,
05:43pero tenemos dos países,
05:44Poland y Hungría,
05:45que han dicho
05:46que no están tomando
05:47ni asesinos,
05:48que no están pagando
05:49ni dinero.
05:50¿Cuáles son las consecuencias
05:51si esto ocurre?
05:52Bueno,
05:53take Poland
05:54por ejemplo.
05:55Por supuesto,
05:56por supuesto,
05:57porque están en el
05:58norte de la frontera
05:59de la frontera.
06:00Hay un peligro de peligro
06:01de Rusia,
06:02y lo he visto
06:03cuando visitamos
06:04la frontera
06:05de la frontera
06:06que los migrantes
06:07están en la frontera
06:09contra la Unión Europea.
06:10Entonces,
06:11vemos que
06:12están en la presencia,
06:13por supuesto,
06:14y también,
06:15se han tomado
06:16muchos de los Ukrainos,
06:17así que
06:18fueron muy ayudados
06:19también.
06:20Ellos integraron
06:21muy bien
06:22en el mercado laboral.
06:23Así que,
06:24hicieron un buen trabajo,
06:25y aconsejamos
06:26que están en la presencia.
06:27Por supuesto,
06:28que Polonia
06:29no tiene que tomar
06:30ninguna migración.
06:31No preocupes
06:32sobre eso.
06:33¿Y Hungary?
06:34Bueno,
06:35es un tema diferente
06:36de la frontera
06:38de la frontera
06:39de la frontera
06:40de la frontera
06:41de la frontera
06:43de la frontera
06:44de la frontera
06:46de la frontera
06:47de la frontera
06:48de la frontera
06:49de la frontera
06:50de la frontera
06:51de la frontera
06:52de la frontera
06:54de la frontera
06:55de la frontera
06:57de la frontera
06:59de la frontera
07:00de la frontera
07:02de la frontera
07:03de la frontera
07:05de la frontera
07:06de la frontera
07:08de la frontera
07:10de la frontera
07:12de la frontera
07:14de la frontera
07:16de la frontera
07:18de la frontera
07:19de la frontera
07:21de la frontera
07:23de la frontera
07:25de la frontera
07:26entre 2024 y 2025
07:28y ha habido un 95%
07:31en la ruta occidental
07:32y según el gobierno australiano
07:37por ejemplo
07:37la migración de la migración
07:39está en el momento de la migración
07:40en alrededor de 0%
07:42¿Qué ha llevado a estos números?
07:45¿Es la migración de la migración
07:46todavía una emergencia?
07:49Es todavía, claro
07:50los números están bajando
07:52eso es bueno
07:52nos hace optimistas
07:54también mencionaste los números
07:5635% en general
07:58¿Y eso es antes de que el nuevo pacto
07:59se implemente?
08:00Sí, pero ya enviamos señales
08:02y tenemos acciones
08:04con terceros países
08:06y eso es exactamente el punto
08:08por ejemplo, la estabilidad
08:10en países como Syriza
08:12por ejemplo, eso ayuda
08:13y también también
08:15acciones con terceros países
08:18para dar un ejemplo
08:19Mauritania por ejemplo
08:20tenemos un acuerdo con Mauritania
08:22y los números
08:23se van a bajar
08:24inmediatamente
08:25y ahora tenemos
08:26cero departures
08:27de Mauritania
08:28para dar un ejemplo
08:29tenemos otros desafíos
08:30y otros países
08:32pero eso ayuda
08:34así que
08:35traer nuestra casa europea
08:37en orden
08:37es el primer paso
08:38eso es lo que tenemos
08:39que hacer con implementar
08:40el pacto
08:40con la reglación de retornos
08:41con el país
08:42y otros
08:44y luego
08:45el siguiente paso
08:46es la dimensión
08:47externa
08:47negociación con terceros países
08:49y poner la migración
08:50en la mesa
08:51cuando se trata
08:52de acuerdo
08:53con terceros países
08:55despite all these
08:55positive developments
08:56that you just described
08:58migration
09:00is still
09:01a
09:01massive
09:03discontent
09:04among
09:04citizens
09:05and it still
09:06drives
09:07election campaigns
09:08how do you explain
09:10that
09:10has migration
09:11policy
09:11become
09:12a political
09:12punching bag
09:13well
09:14you can
09:15you can
09:15see
09:15and what
09:16you mentioned
09:16is of course
09:17completely correct
09:18that it's at the
09:19heart of
09:19everyone
09:20it's a topic
09:21where everyone
09:21is of course
09:23worried about
09:25also
09:25which I totally
09:26understand
09:26because
09:2710 years ago
09:28the European Union
09:29and Europe
09:29all together
09:30took a lot
09:31of responsibility
09:32when we had
09:32the crisis
09:33in Syria
09:34a lot of
09:35responsibility
09:36but we didn't
09:36have any
09:37roots
09:37we didn't
09:38have a system
09:39we didn't
09:39have control
09:40over what
09:41is happening
09:41in the European
09:42Union
09:42and now
09:43with this pact
09:44with the new
09:44legislation
09:45all together
09:46we try to get
09:47control back
09:48and
09:48what your
09:50question is
09:51in the direction
09:52your question was
09:52going
09:52we need the
09:53trust of the
09:54people back
09:55and with
09:55having control
09:56with having
09:57rules
09:58with having a
09:59system
10:00we try to get
10:01the trust of the
10:02people back
10:02between the
10:03member states also
10:04but also to the
10:05people in Europe
10:06and to the
10:07citizens in Europe
10:08well same
10:08with Schengen
10:09right
10:10whenever there
10:10were some
10:11migration issues
10:12some countries
10:12closed the borders
10:13immediately
10:14is that trust
10:15building as well
10:16is that the way
10:17forward here
10:18if Schengen
10:18becomes a thing
10:20you can pick
10:20whenever you want
10:21no no of course
10:22Schengen has to
10:23work and I think
10:23Schengen is one
10:24of the best
10:25examples how
10:27Europe can work
10:28the best
10:28achievements we
10:29have in Europe
10:30and it has to
10:31work what can
10:32we do to
10:33to make it
10:34work again
10:34is exactly
10:36implementing the
10:37pact because
10:37in the pact
10:38we have the
10:39protection of
10:40our external
10:41borders that
10:41is key to get
10:43rid of the
10:43internal border
10:44controls and
10:45that's what the
10:46member states
10:46know of course
10:47there was pressure
10:48in the last
10:49years so I
10:51totally understand
10:52that some
10:52member states
10:53had to take
10:54measures there
10:55as well with
10:55internal border
10:56controls but
10:57our aim
10:58altogether is
11:00of course to
11:00get rid of
11:01these internal
11:01border controls
11:02to make
11:03Schengen work
11:03and Schengen
11:05is something
11:06which of course
11:06has to be
11:07developed all
11:07the time
11:08we have to
11:08keep Schengen
11:09going and
11:10growing also
11:11and it's still
11:13very I would
11:14say very
11:15interesting also
11:15for new
11:16participants of
11:18the Schengen
11:18area like we
11:19had Romania
11:20and Bulgaria
11:21just joining
11:21we had Croatia
11:22joining so a
11:24lot of member
11:25states want to
11:25join the Schengen
11:26area which is
11:27great which is a
11:28good sign because
11:29it's about free
11:30movement it's
11:31about better
11:31economic growth
11:34also and but
11:36we have to make
11:37sure that we
11:38protect our
11:38external borders
11:39and that's what
11:40the pact is all
11:41about and giving
11:42the member states
11:43in this case the
11:44trust back that we
11:46have control over
11:47who comes into the
11:48European Union and
11:49who leaves the
11:50European Union also
11:51and just to mention
11:53one thing on the
11:53pact because that's
11:54also very important
11:55our entry exit
11:56system we didn't
11:57know in the last
11:59years who actually
12:00on a digital basis
12:01who comes into the
12:02European Union
12:03when and where and
12:04who leaves it again
12:04and now with the
12:06entry exit system
12:07which we just
12:08introduced and
12:09started five weeks
12:10ago where we
12:11already have more
12:12than eight million
12:13registrations in the
12:15first five weeks
12:15which is a good sign
12:17so for the first time
12:18we know who actually
12:19comes into the
12:20European Union when
12:21and where and then
12:22who leaves the
12:23European Union again
12:24when and where
12:25that is important
12:26because that's how
12:28we get that hopefully
12:30get the trust back
12:31because we have
12:31control over what
12:33is happening
12:33one hot topic
12:35especially in Germany
12:36is the repatriation
12:38of people from
12:39Afghanistan
12:39and what is
12:40controversial here
12:41is the fact that
12:42the government needs
12:43to talk to the
12:44Taliban in Afghanistan
12:46the new rulers
12:47where do you come
12:48down on this
12:48is it legitimate
12:49to talk with the
12:50Taliban in order
12:52to get people
12:53home
12:53we have to
12:54to differentiate
12:55between acknowledging
12:57that there is a
12:58government respecting
13:00the government which
13:01we don't do but not
13:03getting engaged with
13:03third countries even
13:04though we don't like
13:05their governments and
13:07the way they're doing
13:07things is still
13:09important so on a
13:10technical level I
13:11totally understand and
13:12we support that as a
13:13commission as well our
13:15people our experts were
13:16there in Kabul also to
13:18to talk about
13:19possibilities because
13:20not getting engaged
13:21means it doesn't get
13:23better so yes it's not
13:26fun it's not easy but
13:28not getting engaged is
13:30not an option so yes I
13:31do think we have to talk
13:33to these countries even
13:34we don't of course
13:36recognize them as a
13:37government but we have
13:39to talk to them no
13:40option not to talk so it
13:42is necessary to talk to
13:44countries that have a bad
13:45track record oh yes it is
13:47still necessary on a
13:48technical level as I said
13:49we do that some members
13:51states member states do it
13:52with Afghanistan for
13:53instance and we had this
13:55examples with criminals
13:56and posing a security
13:58threat to the European
14:00Union to member states and
14:02I think it's legitimate to
14:04to send them back and to
14:06find solutions with these
14:07these regions or countries
14:11to find solutions to to get
14:13them back to their
14:14countries yeah let's take a
14:16step back now and and and
14:18talk about the future of
14:20migration and and how you
14:22see it because getting
14:25people back is one thing is
14:27also the fact that we need
14:28people we need skilled labor
14:30just to keep our countries
14:33safe and prosperous how do you
14:35think about that should Europe
14:38approach countries like
14:39Australia and Canada with quota
14:41systems etc and then they select
14:44certain professions that they need
14:46rather than than others yes we
14:49have to distinguish between the
14:51illegal migration part which we
14:52have to do everything to fight
14:54against because it's a business in
14:56the meantime for smugglers for
14:58human traffickers and that's what
14:59we have to fight against so that's
15:00the illegal migration part no doubt
15:03about that but then of course we
15:04have the legal migration part and we
15:06need legal migration for our labor
15:08markets of course as you as you
15:10mentioned rightly so finding legal
15:13pathways to come to Europe but that
15:15it's us to decide who comes into the
15:18European Union and not the smugglers
15:20and the traffickers that that is I think
15:22key and then of course we have some
15:24humanitarian responsibility also of
15:27course when it comes to asylum seekers
15:28of people who aren't whose life is in
15:31danger who are threatened by death in
15:35their countries of course there we have
15:37another obligation but distinguishing
15:39between those three topics is key it's
15:42not always easy but putting our and
15:45bringing our European house in order
15:47against illegal migration only then I
15:50think we have the chance to find legal
15:52pathways what we do on the legal part is
15:55we have we have issues like like talent
15:59pools for instance which we just decided
16:01on in the trial between parliament and
16:04and council where we had a decision
16:06already a positive decision we have
16:08talent partnerships with third countries
16:11as a given example we were in India as a
16:13college where it was also about about
16:15partnerships how can we adjust also our
16:19partnerships there and the Indians told
16:21us we are we have a very good education
16:24but maybe our education doesn't always
16:27match the skills you need in the European
16:29Union in the economy there so adjusting
16:31there is something very very concrete but
16:35also with other regions in the world of
16:37course recently you have met the Pope in
16:40Rome for an exchange of views and you've
16:44said that the dialogue with the churches
16:45you consider a task that is very close to
16:48your heart what do you expect from this
16:51dialogue well I have a very good a very
16:54good meeting with with the Pope which is
16:55of course for me as a Catholic also
16:58quite a very exciting moment I know but
17:02when it comes to substance it was a
17:04really good discussion and and meeting we
17:07had because we are on the same page
17:09actually respecting human rights respecting
17:12fundamental rights yes but also fighting the
17:15human traffickers and the and getting
17:17control back in Europe and I think the
17:19Pope totally agree with that and also the
17:22to distinguish between the different forms
17:24the illegal part the legal part and the
17:27human humanitarian responsibility the
17:29Pope of course has backed the US bishops in
17:33their criticism of the Trump administration and
17:36criticized the methods of that very radical
17:40migration policy and also the lack of
17:42respect for individuals do you think that
17:46the Pope should get into this political
17:50arena and take take sides it's not for me to
17:53judge what the Pope has to do or doesn't have
17:56to do but I think the Pope is a is a very
17:58important and strong voice of course in
18:01the world which is important and and
18:04getting his view is always good I think and
18:07that's why I was very happy to have this
18:09conversation with him we take that very
18:14seriously as a European Union of course and
18:16the balance is always important on the one
18:19hand getting control back showing the people and
18:22getting the trust also back of the people in
18:25Europe and on the other hand of course
18:27respecting fundamental rights and and human
18:30rights but both can go hand in hand and
18:32has to go hand in hand but fighting the
18:36illegal part is so key in order to get the
18:39trust back and to get control back the
18:41Pope and you have one thing in common that
18:43is the love of tennis is it is it true that
18:46you gave him a set of tennis ball with the EU logo on
18:49it I did I did yes we thought what did he say
18:52when we thought about the present which we
18:55bring to the Pope and we I knew that
18:57Yannick Sinner when he played in Rome gave him a
19:00tennis racket and of course that's great for
19:03him and then we thought okay would be a good idea to
19:06give him the balls also with the European Union flag on it he was he was very pleased I
19:14think at least he laughed at our at our president
19:17you were president of the Austrian Tennis Federation
19:20exactly exactly fancy a match with the Pope
19:23I would love to have that of course that would be a
19:25lifetime dream uh of course that would be great now but uh
19:29uh I'm not sure whether that's possible
19:31uh but when you get that then you'll be back on the show again
19:34yeah we are we'll we'll see what okay what the outcome is but uh
19:38yes I'm I'm a incredibly keen tennis player at least and I used to be
19:42president of the Austrian Tennis Federation and my whole family is a
19:45completely keen tennis family all right Magnus Brunner EU
19:50Commissioner for internal affairs and migration thank you so much for a great
19:53europe conversation thank you very much
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