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00:00The crowds have arrived, and the sunshine, for now at least, at our venue for the day,
00:05the National Waterfront Museum on the south coast of Wales.
00:12Swansea is known for its maritime and industrial heritage,
00:15but you might not know about its association with porcelain and pottery.
00:19This sweet little cup comes from the Swansea Museum collection,
00:22and it was made by the Cambrian Pottery, founded in 1764.
00:26And as you drink your tea, this little horror, this little frog emerges at the bottom.
00:34I think if I saw that, I'd drop my cup.
00:37Coming up...
00:39This really is the sort of stuff of nightmares, isn't it?
00:44Well, there's a smudge here.
00:46There is. One of my friends kissed it.
00:49Yes.
00:50See, that's what I love about this job, to hold a piece of history like that.
00:54If you don't mind, I'm definitely coming shopping with you next time.
00:59OK.
01:01Welcome to the Antiques Roadshow.
01:03This is an extraordinarily colourful bridge.
01:31What intrigued you about it?
01:33Well, it belonged to my grandmother, and I always remember her wearing it.
01:38As I'm sure you know, it's enamel onto a surface, which we call guillochet,
01:43which is a French word for engine turning,
01:46and it gives this sort of silk effect to the background.
01:49Yeah.
01:49I think probably it was made in Switzerland in about 1820.
01:53It may have had a previous life as a box lid or something of that description.
01:58I can't be sure of that.
01:59But what I am absolutely sure of is the message.
02:03What it is, actually, is an Arcadian altar of love.
02:07It is literally an altar, and burning at the top are twinned hearts in flames.
02:12Really?
02:12Yes.
02:13I haven't noticed those before.
02:14No, and it's hot stuff, more hot than you can ever imagine,
02:18because on either side are hymen's lamps, the lamps of love.
02:23And if that wasn't enough, beneath them are the doves,
02:27the billing doves of Venus,
02:29and they signal her presence visually in paintings and sculpture.
02:33But on it goes, because the Arcadian altar of love is surrounded by roses.
02:41They're also full-blown roses.
02:43That's important, too.
02:44They are another one of Venus's attributes.
02:47They're emblematic of the pleasure and pain of love.
02:51Well, you might have imagined that there wasn't room for another rebus,
02:55another metaphor, but actually we'd both be wrong,
02:57because hanging here are laurels, wreaths of laurels,
03:01and they are emblematic of the triumph of love,
03:05omnia vincita mor.
03:06It comes from Virgil.
03:08It's called a hemstitch.
03:09It's a very abbreviated little poem.
03:11And it's the triumph of love over all.
03:16Goodness, it's gushing all over the place.
03:17Can you take any more?
03:20I'm not sure why my grandmother wore it, really.
03:21No.
03:25I've never seen such a full example of this in jewellery.
03:30I think there are lots of collectors who would absolutely love it.
03:33I think it's probably worth £700 or £800.
03:37Oh, my word.
03:41I was thinking I might wear it, and I'm not sure.
03:43But anyway, maybe I will.
03:46I hope you do.
03:47Yeah, I think it's a beautiful thing.
03:49It's been lovely to meet you over such romantic circumstances.
03:54Thank you very much.
03:56I've been working on this programme for four decades, believe it or not.
04:09I've got to say, this is the very first cat, to the best of my knowledge,
04:14that I've ever talked about.
04:16Wow.
04:16So, is it a family cat or something you bought?
04:21It originally comes from, through my nan, my mum's mum.
04:25Someone died on her street when she was young,
04:27and they were quite a poor, working-class family,
04:31and in that time, everyone on the street would sort of divvy up people's possessions.
04:36It was quite an old lady who died who'd had it.
04:38Yeah, obviously, in the ceramic world, the first thing you want to know is who made it.
04:43So, you've got to turn it over, and there's a lovely mark.
04:49It says, G.L. Ashworth, Hanley, in that lovely oval sort of cartouche.
04:55G.L. Ashworth, good name.
04:58But they made mainly tableware.
05:01Date-wise, the mark tells me this was made in around about 1870.
05:05So, Alice in Wonderland, the Cheshire Cat, came out in 1865.
05:13The thing is, I've never seen one before.
05:15No, I can't find anything at all about him.
05:20If we're into the Ashworth collection, I haven't heard back.
05:23It should be out there.
05:25There should be another one of these, but I'm struggling.
05:29It is a form of earthenware, a very white earthenware,
05:34and it's been covered in this lovely sort of cobalt-blue glaze,
05:40and it's accentuated by this yellow band and tie.
05:47I'd be very happy to say it's at least £200 to £300.
05:51People love their cats, and that smile, yes, it is a smile.
05:57It's not a grin, it's a smile.
05:58It's what you call a winning smile.
06:02Absolutely. Thank you.
06:13Thank you very much for bringing this in.
06:15It's absolutely delightful.
06:17And it's beautifully signed, lower right, Margaret W. Tarrant.
06:20How do you come to own it?
06:22Well, my father bought it from the Medici Gallery in Liverpool
06:26in the late 1950s, early 60s, maybe.
06:29I was just a child.
06:31Now, Margaret Tarrant is best known for her watercolours of fairies.
06:36She was born in the 1880s and died in the late 1950s,
06:39and she was really at her zenith during the 1920s and 30s,
06:44which was a time of...
06:45It was considered the golden age of children's illustrative books.
06:49And she worked a lot with the Medici Society,
06:53and with them, they printed a lot of her watercolours.
06:57Now, this has got a very intriguing label on the back.
07:00Do you want to turn it over?
07:01Shall I? OK.
07:06Now, when you're looking at something like this,
07:08the first thing you think of is,
07:10is it an original watercolour,
07:12or is it one of the reproductions?
07:14And it says here, the Medici Society Limited.
07:18Now, the Medici Society was founded early 1900s,
07:21and its premise, really,
07:23was to produce really high-quality reproductions for the market,
07:28from old masters all the way up to modern.
07:30And Margaret Tarrant worked very, very closely
07:33with the Medici Society.
07:35What we have got underneath
07:37is this absolutely glorious label,
07:39which says,
07:41original painting by Margaret Tarrant,
07:43roseberries.
07:45So, from that,
07:46we will have to assume
07:47that this is the original watercolour.
07:50What do you like about it?
07:51It's not my personal style,
07:54more of a modernist myself,
07:56but I do love it very much,
07:57and it's just beautifully drawn.
07:59It's beautifully coloured,
08:01and, of course,
08:01it's reminiscent of my childhood.
08:03It's reminiscent of so many people's childhoods,
08:05mine as well.
08:07Now, this is from a series of 16,
08:10from a book that was made called
08:12Joan in Flowerland.
08:13And Joan in Flowerland
08:15was written by Margaret Tarrant
08:17and Lewis Dutton,
08:19and she did the illustrations for it.
08:22It's about Joan who believes in fairies,
08:24and Joan asks the gardener
08:26where she can find fairies,
08:27and the gardener says,
08:29you'll find fairies
08:30amongst the wildflowers.
08:32So Joan goes to the wildflowers,
08:34and she meets an elf,
08:35and they have lots of jolly japes,
08:37and that's really the story.
08:40Do you hang it at home?
08:41We do.
08:42I mean, it's a bit light-sensitive,
08:44so it's been up and it's been down,
08:45and it's been put away and out again.
08:48Assuming it is the original watercolour,
08:50I think it's probably worth about £4,000 to £6,000.
08:54Oh, really?
08:55That's a little bit more than I thought it was.
08:57Oh, good. I'm delighted.
08:58Well, thank you very much for bringing it in.
09:00My pleasure.
09:01Well, what a collection this is.
09:18I mean, I think these are one of the most recognised dolls
09:21around the world, the Barbie dolls.
09:23Yeah.
09:23How did you get all this collection?
09:25Well, I've had them since I was a very little girl,
09:29probably the late 60s.
09:31They were bought in Hamleys in London by my parents.
09:35I really don't remember actually buying here
09:38because I was quite young.
09:41A couple of years later, we purchased her,
09:44which I do remember,
09:45so that's how I arrived at the Barbies.
09:48Did you play with them for years?
09:50I played with them all the time,
09:52particularly this one because this older one,
09:57her hair was set so she was very difficult to brush her hair,
10:01but this one, the newer one, had beautiful hair,
10:03which was very easy to brush,
10:05and that's what I like doing most
10:06and changing all the outfits over and over again.
10:10What I can't understand is that these come from the 1960s
10:15and they're in such good condition.
10:17Yeah.
10:17Well, I didn't have any siblings that spoilt them,
10:23so I took great care of them.
10:24Yeah.
10:25You certainly have,
10:26because I also know this is only a part of the clothing collection,
10:29isn't it?
10:30There are literally hundreds of outfits.
10:34Unbelievable, the amount of outfits that you've got.
10:36You must have played with it for hours.
10:37Yes.
10:38I mean, you know,
10:39Barbie's one of the most famous dolls in the world,
10:43and of course it was created in 1959 by Mattel.
10:48And of course these are early ones,
10:49so these came out in the 60s,
10:51so these are very early ones.
10:53When I first saw them,
10:54I thought they might be replicas
10:56because they're in such good condition.
10:58As far as their value,
11:01with all the costumes you've got,
11:02and you've got hundreds of costumes...
11:03I have got a lot of outfits.
11:04You have got a lot.
11:05Yes.
11:06I think I would be very conservative
11:08and say £1,500 to £2,000.
11:11Wow.
11:12And that's without the boxes,
11:13because you've got so much of the clothing...
11:16Yes.
11:17..and the dolls that you do have...
11:18Yes.
11:19..are in great condition.
11:20And I don't think you're ever going to sell these.
11:22I can tell...
11:22Look at your face.
11:23I'm never going to sell them.
11:24You're looking at them and you're smiling.
11:25Well, I bought my daughter today,
11:27and no doubt they're going to be hers one day.
11:30No doubt she will sell them, I'm sure,
11:32as soon as my back's turned.
11:34Thank you for bringing them in.
11:36It's been a...
11:36My pleasure.
11:37Real pleasure.
11:38Absolute pleasure.
11:39Thank you very much.
11:39Our military experts often hear stories
11:54of heroic feats carried out during World War II
11:57by Allied prisoners of war,
11:59later immortalised in film,
12:02such as the famous Great Escape from Stalaglov III in 1944.
12:05But five months earlier in the same camp
12:09came an equally audacious attempt to tunnel out,
12:12using a wooden bolting horse as a cover.
12:16Mark Smith is thrilled to see an item
12:18that played a pivotal role in that escape.
12:25A caterpillar and a violin.
12:27I know what the caterpillar is.
12:30The violin I'm not so sure about,
12:31but we'll come on to that.
12:33So the caterpillar is the badge
12:35for those men whose lives were saved by a parachute.
12:38Correct.
12:39And we also have a thing here called a personal cart,
12:42which is the German prisoner of war card
12:44with his photo on.
12:45So now I'm fairly sure that what I've got here
12:48is a prisoner of war.
12:49Who is this man?
12:51It's my father, Tom Wilson,
12:52who was shot down in May 43
12:54on special operations,
12:56tracking German night fighter radar,
12:59and a German night fighter got him.
13:00Ah, OK.
13:02What happened to him when he landed?
13:04He was found by Dutch farmers
13:05who were hiding people
13:07who were avoiding being sent to forced labour.
13:10And Dad thought,
13:11well, if the Germans come looking for me,
13:13they might find them
13:13and these people will be in trouble.
13:15So he told them to hand him over
13:17and he ended up in Stalagloft 3.
13:20So mostly we know that for one film,
13:22which is The Great Escape,
13:24but actually we know it for another film as well,
13:26don't we?
13:27Which is The Wooden Horse.
13:28Was he part of that escape?
13:33Yes, he was one of the vaulters
13:34over The Wooden Horse,
13:36but also when they were hiding the sand,
13:39and it's shown in the film as well,
13:40they had a chap playing the violin
13:41and if he stopped playing,
13:43that meant one of the German guards
13:44was coming close
13:45and they had to behave as if nothing was happening.
13:48And he's The Violin Player?
13:49He's The Violin Player.
13:51There's this little book here.
13:52I know that he wrote this, didn't he?
13:53And here it says,
13:55Every evening as I was tuning my violin,
13:57I would see the wooden horse
13:58carried out with one digger hanging inside
14:00and I practised while the vaulting
14:02was in progress outside the window.
14:04At the end of the vaulting session,
14:06four team members would stagger back with their load.
14:08Meanwhile, I was playing from memory,
14:10my eyes fixed on Sid,
14:12the number one disbusting stooge.
14:14If he was wearing his RAF officer's cap,
14:17I would give a nod to the vaulters
14:18and they would carefully tip the horse on end
14:20so that Bill Williams could emerge.
14:23But immediately Sid removed his cap,
14:25I would give a warning
14:26and the horse would be stood in its accustomed place.
14:29Yeah.
14:29Wow.
14:30And that's The Violin?
14:31That's The Violin.
14:32See, that's what I love about this job,
14:34to hold a piece of history like that.
14:37What happened to him towards the end of the war?
14:39In January 1945, they were evacuated
14:41and forced marched across Germany
14:44in some vain hope of holding them hostage.
14:46and he carried the violin with him.
14:49But the case started to get soaked,
14:52had another night march ahead of him
14:53and he thought,
14:55I need to leave it somewhere
14:56and found a German family.
14:58He actually saw them giving coffee to one of the guards
15:00and thought, these are nice people,
15:02asked if he could leave it with them
15:03and they looked after it for him.
15:05How long did it stay with them for?
15:07Till 48.
15:08Dad, having found a love of German and Russian,
15:11went back on the first student exchange with Germans
15:13in the summer of 48 and went to retrieve the violin.
15:18He retrieved something else as well, didn't he?
15:19He did. He bet my mother.
15:21That is an incredibly good story.
15:23That is just fantastic.
15:27I know you've got his logbook,
15:29you've got his medals
15:30and the luff off a fork.
15:36He's only tall, I suppose.
15:38Kept it on the long march
15:39because that was all he had to eat with.
15:43It's a very hard thing to put a price on.
15:46The medals, the logbook
15:47and the attachment to the wooden horse story,
15:52I think you're probably looking somewhere
15:53between £1,000 and £2,000
15:56for the medals that I would know about.
15:59But to add the violin, I don't know.
16:02I really don't know.
16:04I think if you put it into auction
16:05with that story,
16:07£4,000 or £5,000.
16:08I think that's about right.
16:10But I'm not really interested
16:12in the monetary value.
16:13I'm always interested in the people,
16:15these ordinary people
16:16who stood up and did such extraordinary things.
16:19And to stand there and play that
16:20while someone is digging a tunnel,
16:22what a great story.
16:24Genuinely, you made my day today.
16:25So thank you so much for bringing that one in.
16:32To me, it just means so much
16:33because it's not just his role in World War II
16:35but also the story of how he met my grandmother.
16:39It just means so much to me.
16:40And without it, we wouldn't be here.
16:42What have you got in the suitcase?
16:56Some old scouting memorabilia.
16:58What's your connection with scouting?
16:59Well, I've been the scouts all my life
17:01and I've been trying to get my children interested
17:05but it looks like my granddaughter's going to get interested now.
17:08This is a large number of trips and excursions, isn't it?
17:12Some of these badges date back to the 1930s and 40s.
17:18I do like the title of that.
17:20The Scouts' Book of Gadgets and Dodges.
17:23What do you like the look of in here?
17:25These.
17:25Oh, these.
17:26Well, that's right.
17:27We've got 60 indoor games for scouts.
17:30How about that?
17:32Amazing collection.
17:47Today, we're being joined by a local hero,
17:51Sir Gareth Edwards,
17:53a true legend of Welsh rugby.
17:57And one of the greatest players the game has ever seen.
18:01Sir Gareth has brought along a few of his cherished items.
18:05Not just from his illustrious sporting career,
18:08but a more personal keepsake too.
18:12Gareth Edwards, what a joy to have you on the programme.
18:14Cruzo, as they say around here.
18:17Now, you started out in sport.
18:19Obviously, we know you for rugby, of course.
18:21In fact, you played for Swansea FC for the football club.
18:24I played for the youth team down here, yes.
18:26I used to come down on a bus from the village,
18:29get dropped off just around the corner,
18:30and go to the vetch field.
18:32Absolutely.
18:33So what changed you from football to rugby?
18:35In fact, I went away to Millfield School, I think,
18:38and the opportunity was there to play some rugby,
18:41and of a very high standard, high quality.
18:44And you realised that was for you?
18:47Well, yes.
18:47And, of course, I got picked for the Welsh school boys.
18:51And you've brought along some items for us to have a look at.
18:55Tell me about the Rose Bowl.
18:57Well, in 1978,
18:59I became the most capped Welsh international player of that time.
19:04And England were also celebrating their centenary
19:09and had bought a number of these magnificent bowls
19:13to present to the different unions.
19:16And because I'd reached 50 caps for Wales,
19:20they wanted to make a presentation on the evening,
19:23which really I've cherished ever since.
19:26And what about this cap?
19:29The significance of this cap in particular?
19:31Ah, very significant in so much that
19:34I was the first Welsh person to have 50 caps for Wales,
19:39and they wanted to give me something special.
19:42But this is a very special cap
19:44because it went on the space shuttle Columbia in 1998,
19:47all the way up to the moon,
19:50and around many times, and then back.
19:52How did that happen?
19:53Well, there was a gentleman from Pernarth
19:58who worked for NASA,
20:00and he had asked the next person
20:05that was going to pilot the Columbia
20:08was a Welshman.
20:10And so he wanted to take some Welsh mementos to...
20:16Up into space?
20:17Yeah, up to space.
20:18I couldn't believe it.
20:19I thought there was somebody who was pulling my leg.
20:21I can well remember when I watched the news that evening,
20:25the pilot had my cap out in space
20:27with a tassel sticking straight out
20:30because of the...
20:31Because there was no gravity.
20:31No gravity.
20:34Now, this is something that takes us
20:35right back to your childhood.
20:36But, in fact, you've only just found it again.
20:38I have, yes.
20:40It was in the garage, believe it or not,
20:41and it's been there for a while.
20:43My mother bought me that
20:44when I was about five years of age
20:46because I sort of catch trout about that big
20:49and catch eels as well.
20:51And then you'd wrap them in an handkerchief
20:53or anything, a plastic bag or what have you.
20:56She wasn't satisfied with that,
20:58so she thought,
20:59I'll buy him a proper fishing basket.
21:01Brings back fond memories,
21:03not just of my family,
21:05but of catching small trout
21:06at the tower up in the upper valley
21:10in Ponta Dawe.
21:12And these are your parents here?
21:14My parents there.
21:15Very proud parents, no doubt.
21:16On my 50th birthday.
21:17And then this...
21:19This is a 45-pound pike
21:22that you caught,
21:24which must have been the biggest fish
21:25you ever caught, surely?
21:26You know, with fishing,
21:28it's being in the right place
21:29at the right time.
21:30I cast out and, lo and behold,
21:33that fish took it.
21:35They ended up in British record at the time,
21:3645-pound six ounces.
21:39So how big would that be?
21:41I mean, how long is that?
21:41I don't have to lie.
21:45Can you help me?
21:48Massive, massive fish.
21:49It was a big fish, yes.
21:52Well, Gareth,
21:53thank you so much for sharing
21:54some of your past with us,
21:56your illustrious past,
21:58humble beginnings with a fishing basket
22:00and then your captain up in space.
22:03Who knew?
22:04So lovely to meet you.
22:05Thank you so much for coming on the programme.
22:21It's lovely to see a picture
22:23with a piece of jewellery
22:24that's been brought along,
22:25being worn as it is here
22:27on this beautiful lace front address,
22:29which is probably slightly later in date
22:31to the actual amethyst and gold brooch
22:34that we're looking at.
22:35How did this come into your family?
22:37This lady is my great-grandmother,
22:39Helena,
22:40from Gilwurn in Monmouthshire.
22:43When she was 16,
22:44she went with her parents
22:45to Australia on a ship
22:47and met her husband eventually,
22:48Thomas Williams.
22:49I suspect then that Thomas Williams gave the brooch
22:52to Helena at some stage in Australia.
22:56Well, the fact that she went out in 1879,
23:00the brooch is dated from around that period as well.
23:03So whether it was one that went out with them
23:05or it was bought in Australia,
23:07it's quite possible.
23:08It's definitely of European make,
23:10probably British made as well.
23:12And it has all the characteristics
23:14of the classical Etruscan revival style of jewellery
23:17with very detailed work around the edge of the mount here,
23:22lovely beadwork,
23:23and then, of course,
23:24dainty seed pearls around the edge as well.
23:26And right in the centre,
23:28this absolutely gorgeous amethyst.
23:30I mean, it is such a beautiful, strong colour.
23:32It really is fabulous.
23:33And in the picture,
23:35we can see how these brooches were worn.
23:38It is definitely by a good maker,
23:40but during this period,
23:41people didn't need to hallmark the jewellery
23:44or even put a gold mark on it.
23:46So it's going to be at least 15 carat,
23:48if not 18 carat,
23:49and made by good jewellers.
23:52Perhaps not one of the top ones,
23:53but it certainly has been inspired
23:55by some really good designers.
23:57And more than likely,
23:58the amethyst at this period
23:59would have come from Brazil.
24:01Does anybody in the family
24:02wear the brooch now?
24:04I don't think they do.
24:05My wife has had it out of the box quite often.
24:08Yes.
24:08I've never seen her wear it.
24:09I think she might well do now,
24:10knowing more about it.
24:11She probably will do now.
24:12Well, as I say,
24:13I love jewellery being worn,
24:15and it's such a shame that it is put away.
24:17But that's nice that it is brought out
24:18to be looked at,
24:19because they are works of art
24:20in their own right,
24:21as well as jewels to be worn.
24:25This style of jewellery
24:26is actually becoming more popular
24:27at the moment.
24:28There's something about jewellery
24:30which not only represents
24:32a revival style,
24:34but has got bold colour to it,
24:35and colour is everything
24:37as far as collectors
24:38and fashion is concerned.
24:40If it came up for auction,
24:42we'd be looking at an estimate
24:44of between £600 to £800
24:46because of the beautiful amethyst.
24:49It's just such sumptuous colour.
24:51Lovely.
24:52Thank you for bringing it in.
24:53A pleasure.
25:07I've got some pictures here,
25:08three pictures,
25:09involving competitive motorcycle riding,
25:13and I've got a trophy.
25:14So, what's it all about?
25:16The picture nearest to you
25:18is my grandfather,
25:20John Dilwyn Daniels,
25:21and he rode motorcycles in the 40s,
25:25and he was known as the Flying Welshman.
25:29He went to the Isle of Man in 1948
25:32and won the Clubman's TT trophy.
25:35Right.
25:36And then he went to the Welsh TT races
25:38in Munnith Eppent.
25:40Yes.
25:40And won two Silver Dragons there.
25:44Unfortunately, he was killed in Gower
25:48on a Swansea motorcycle race.
25:50And what date was that?
25:51That was in...
25:52October.
25:53October 48.
25:54Yeah.
25:55And when he died,
25:57you were six.
25:59And what happened?
26:00There was a knock on the door
26:01and we lived in a flat in Napplen's.
26:04My mother went down,
26:05the policeman was there,
26:07and she came up sobbing and crying.
26:08And I said,
26:10What's the matter, Mum?
26:12Your father's been killed.
26:14And I don't know how I reacted.
26:15I didn't cry.
26:16I held the balance and I said,
26:17Dad, I'll win the race that you wanted,
26:21which was the Senior Manx Grand Prix.
26:24And it took me 21 years,
26:2748 accidents at over 50 mile an hour
26:29and not breaking a bone.
26:31I think somebody was looking after me.
26:33Your dad was looking after you.
26:34Yes.
26:34This photograph shows me
26:37finishing the Manx Grand Prix.
26:40And my mechanic,
26:40who was a mathematician,
26:42was there.
26:43And as I was pushing the bike in,
26:45I said,
26:46Who won?
26:46He said,
26:47You did by seven seconds.
26:49And my knees collapsed
26:50and I went down on the floor.
26:52And he caught the bike.
26:54When I stood there with the roster,
26:55I looked up and I said,
26:56Dad,
26:57now can I live a normal life?
27:00Did you lead a normal life?
27:01No.
27:04I went sailing
27:05and ended up racing yachts
27:07in the Caribbean.
27:09So,
27:10what we've got here
27:11in this photograph,
27:13am I right in thinking
27:14that's you?
27:15That is me,
27:1656 years ago.
27:17And that's your dad?
27:19That's dad.
27:19And that's your brother?
27:21Brother Chris
27:22and my mother.
27:23And of course,
27:23the centre of it is
27:24the trophy,
27:26which you see here.
27:27And of course,
27:28in those days,
27:29the winner
27:30took the trophy home
27:31for a year.
27:33And I think,
27:33was this the last year
27:34they did that?
27:35The last year?
27:36No,
27:36they can't even insure.
27:38That's solid silver.
27:39Yes.
27:39But also,
27:40what you did get to keep
27:42is a miniature,
27:43isn't it?
27:44Yes.
27:44Every winner got a miniature.
27:46So,
27:46here we have it.
27:47So,
27:47this is the tangible evidence
27:49of what you achieved.
27:51We've gone through
27:52an extraordinary adventure,
27:53sharing your adventure
27:54and fulfilling
27:55that childhood dream,
27:57childhood promise.
27:58But of course,
27:59in value terms,
28:00the item that is valuable
28:01is the replica.
28:03I know you'll never sell it.
28:04It's a key piece
28:05of family history.
28:07But one of those
28:08would sell for about
28:09a thousand pounds.
28:11It's been wonderful
28:12for me to share
28:13this extraordinary adventure.
28:14Thank you very much.
28:24So,
28:28we've got
28:29an iron grey sky,
28:31brilliantly lit
28:32at the moment.
28:33And she's got it as well.
28:34I say she
28:35because it's Valerie Gantz
28:36and she's caught it
28:37with this wonderful
28:38fluffy white paint
28:39over what is a very
28:41gritty, grimy
28:43colliery scene.
28:45It's 1978.
28:47It's a pit head.
28:48Where?
28:49Abba Talairi,
28:50Six Bells Colliery,
28:52on the sort of
28:53eastern side
28:53of South Wales.
28:55And was she a local girl,
28:56Valerie Gantz?
28:57Yeah, a Swansea girl.
28:58Yeah.
28:58Brought up here,
28:59went to the College of Art
29:01in Swansea
29:02and graduated from there.
29:04OK.
29:04And stayed on
29:05as a teacher.
29:08How did you get the picture?
29:10This has been in the family
29:12for about 40 years, actually.
29:15She's caught this scene
29:16extremely well.
29:17I find it slightly odd
29:19that there are no people in it.
29:20But then again,
29:21by 1978,
29:23maybe the pit was even closed.
29:25I'm not sure about that,
29:26but certainly
29:27they were in decline.
29:29And she's done rather well
29:30to catch the sort of
29:31rain-slicked roofs
29:32and these rusty gantries.
29:35And there was a sense
29:36of stillness about it
29:37as if, you know,
29:38it's all gone,
29:39it's all going,
29:39it's all stopped.
29:40It feels gloomy, doesn't it?
29:41Not moody,
29:42but gloomy.
29:44But the light is really good
29:45and it's quickly done.
29:47And I often think
29:48that with a picture
29:49that has no obvious drawing
29:51can only have been painted
29:53by somebody
29:54who knew how to draw.
29:56Well, the value.
29:58There's been a resurgence
29:59of interest
29:59in Valerie Gans's work
30:01and I think
30:01it's now worth
30:02two to three thousand pounds.
30:04Lovely.
30:05Lovely.
30:06So here we have
30:13a signed photograph
30:14by those four lads
30:16who shook the world,
30:17an autograph book
30:18and a call sheet
30:19for the film Help.
30:22How did you come about them?
30:24Well,
30:25I'm Philippa
30:26and the story is
30:28that way back
30:29in 1965,
30:32the Beatles
30:32were filming Help.
30:34Mm.
30:35And at that time,
30:37my grandmother
30:38was doing some work
30:40for an actor
30:41called John Bluthel
30:42who was actually
30:44filming
30:44with the Beatles
30:46out in Nassau
30:48in the Bahamas
30:49filming Help.
30:50She asked John Bluthel
30:52if he would get me
30:54the Beatles autographs.
30:55And did you know this?
30:57No.
30:57She did it
30:58as a big, big surprise.
31:00Well,
31:01there's a smudge here.
31:02There is.
31:03One of my friends
31:04kissed it.
31:05Yes.
31:06Well,
31:06you can imagine.
31:07I just wanted to show
31:08all the girls
31:09and huge excitement
31:10and...
31:13What I didn't realise
31:15until
31:16it actually all arrived
31:18was that
31:19she'd actually sent
31:20my own
31:22little autograph book.
31:23Oh, she'd sent that
31:24to the Bahamas?
31:25With John Bluthel.
31:26Oh, right.
31:27And he'd taken it
31:28and
31:29he'd actually got
31:30the Beatles autographs
31:32in my own autograph book.
31:33Let's see them.
31:36To Philippa,
31:36love from
31:37George Harrison,
31:39John Lennon,
31:41Paul McCartney
31:41and Ringo Starr.
31:43Mm-hmm.
31:44With an extra love
31:45from Paul McCartney.
31:46Yeah.
31:46He was like that.
31:47Yeah.
31:48What also arrived
31:49was a call sheet.
31:50That's right.
31:50Call sheet number nine.
31:51That's right.
31:52And here's all the stars,
31:53John Lennon,
31:54John.
31:54John's playing John,
31:55Paul's playing Paul.
31:56Yep.
31:57Victor Spinetti
31:58playing four times.
31:58I love that name.
31:59Yep.
32:00But what makes me laugh
32:01is we get round
32:01to the extra talent
32:02and it says,
32:0414 policemen,
32:0520 thug army,
32:07four Cali priests,
32:09one visiting bishop
32:10and one channel swimmer.
32:12Mm-hmm.
32:14This photograph in itself,
32:16I think,
32:17with your story
32:17would be something like
32:19in the region of
32:20four to four and a half thousand pounds.
32:23Oh, my word.
32:24But then
32:25you've got
32:27a double up
32:29tied up
32:30in your autograph book
32:31with this story
32:32and I think
32:33we're looking at
32:34about the same
32:36sort of price
32:36with that.
32:37Right.
32:37So I think
32:38you might be looking
32:39at around
32:39eight or nine thousand pounds.
32:41Oh, my word.
32:42My grandmother
32:43did me proud.
32:44So there is a saying
32:57which is
32:57beauty is in the eye
32:58of the beholder
32:59and this really is
33:01the sort of stuff
33:01of nightmares,
33:02isn't it?
33:03Yes, it is a bit.
33:04Tell me where you got it.
33:05What happened?
33:06It was my
33:08great-great-grandfather
33:10who was a sea captain
33:12and I believe
33:14he brought it back
33:15on his travels
33:17from overseas
33:19and it's just been
33:20in the family
33:21on top of a
33:21old bookcase
33:23ever since.
33:24So it's been passed down
33:25and I'm the lucky beholder.
33:28In terms of
33:29kind of
33:30character
33:31just amazement
33:32it's
33:33one of the best things
33:35I've seen today.
33:35I mean, it really is.
33:36It's just
33:37it's the sort of thing
33:38I would love to own.
33:39It's just so quirky.
33:41Do you like it?
33:42It's so unusual
33:43and it spooks
33:45everybody out
33:46when they come
33:46for dinner.
33:48We've been discussing
33:49it as a family
33:50since we brought it
33:50here this afternoon
33:51and we sort of
33:53thought that
33:54the guy here
33:56is in judgement.
33:58The devil
33:59is sitting
33:59on his shoulder
34:00and this poor guy
34:01is the victim
34:03of the judgement
34:04we thought.
34:05And possibly
34:06we also thought
34:07that his hand
34:08is missing there
34:08so whether that
34:10could have
34:11some significance
34:13we don't know.
34:15Let's see if I can
34:15try and get the eyes
34:16to move.
34:21So it's lacquer
34:22on wood.
34:24The closest I can
34:25get for you
34:26is
34:26in Japan
34:27there were
34:28toys made
34:29Kobe toys
34:30and they were
34:32made in the
34:32port of Kobe
34:33for merchants
34:36sailors and such
34:37coming over
34:38to the port
34:39and they would
34:39bring these things
34:40back as gifts
34:41and souvenirs.
34:42I wonder if that
34:43was a Kobe toy
34:44shop display.
34:46Oh, okay.
34:47And that sat
34:48in the window
34:49to entice people
34:50in to come
34:51and look at
34:52these toys
34:52that people
34:53took back
34:53as gifts.
34:55Because of
34:56all the things
34:57we've just
34:57discussed with
34:58this,
34:59it's so
35:00fantastic.
35:01I can see
35:01that easily
35:02at auction
35:02bringing £500
35:03to £800
35:04and actually
35:05I say this
35:07often,
35:07I just wouldn't
35:08be surprised
35:08if it made
35:09a little bit
35:09more.
35:10I really
35:10wouldn't.
35:10I just think
35:11people will
35:11see that
35:12and see
35:12everything
35:12we've seen
35:13and everything
35:13we've discussed
35:14and you just
35:15get carried
35:15away and if
35:16you paid
35:16a little bit
35:16more would
35:17you be
35:17worried?
35:17Of course
35:17you wouldn't
35:18because nobody
35:18else is going
35:19to have one
35:19are they?
35:20Absolutely.
35:25Our venue
35:27today on
35:28Swansea's
35:28waterfront
35:29lies only
35:29a couple
35:30of miles
35:30away from
35:30the birthplace
35:31of Dylan
35:32Thomas,
35:33one of the
35:34most important
35:35and best-loved
35:36poets of the
35:3720th century.
35:39I'm getting
35:40a rare peek
35:41at some of
35:41his personal
35:42items in
35:43the company
35:43of Swansea
35:44Council's
35:45literature
35:45officer,
35:46Joe Ferber.
35:48Joe,
35:49let's start
35:49with Dylan
35:50Thomas,
35:50the poet,
35:51Wales'
35:52most famous
35:52poet.
35:53And he
35:53was so
35:54prolific,
35:55so young
35:56wasn't he?
35:56He was,
35:57he was born
35:57in Swansea
35:58in 1914
35:58in a semi-detached
36:00house in the
36:00suburb of
36:01Uplands.
36:02He began
36:02writing as a
36:02child and was
36:03published in
36:04the school
36:04magazine.
36:05He wrote
36:05his first
36:06collection that
36:07came out
36:07when he was
36:07just 20
36:08years old
36:08and he
36:09wrote a
36:09significant
36:10output by
36:11the age
36:11of 23.
36:12And one
36:12of his
36:12most famous
36:13poems told
36:14at funerals
36:15and memorials
36:16the nation
36:17over,
36:17do not go
36:18gentle into
36:18that good
36:19night.
36:20I mean
36:20that's one
36:21of my
36:21favourites
36:21I have to
36:22say.
36:23Could you
36:23read us
36:23a few
36:23lines of
36:24it?
36:24Of course,
36:24yeah,
36:24it's an
36:25incredibly
36:25powerful piece,
36:26isn't it?
36:27Do not go
36:28gentle into
36:29that good
36:29night.
36:31Old age
36:31should burn
36:32and rave
36:33at close
36:33of day.
36:35Rage,
36:36rage against
36:37the dying
36:37of the
36:37night.
36:38I mean
36:38they are
36:39such
36:39powerful
36:40words.
36:42We've
36:42got a
36:43whole lot
36:43of items
36:44here
36:44associated
36:44with him.
36:45So tell
36:46me about
36:46this album
36:46because I
36:47mean I
36:47think of
36:47Dylan Thomas
36:48predominantly in
36:49Wales
36:49and the
36:49United
36:49Kingdom
36:50but this
36:50is part
36:51of his
36:51story in
36:51the United
36:51States,
36:52isn't it?
36:52Yes,
36:53absolutely.
36:53He was
36:53very famous
36:54in the
36:54UK for
36:55his recording
36:55work and
36:56during the
36:56Second World
36:57War he
36:57worked for
36:57the Ministry
36:58of Information
36:58writing film
36:59scripts and
37:00then he
37:01went to
37:01America.
37:02He undertook
37:02four lecture
37:03tours of
37:03North America
37:04in the
37:041950s and
37:06this LP is
37:07a wonderful
37:07marker of
37:08that time.
37:09Signed here
37:10with his
37:11name and
37:12he was very
37:13popular in
37:13the States,
37:13wasn't he?
37:14He was.
37:14He was almost
37:14like a
37:15rock and
37:15roll star
37:15signing
37:16LPs
37:16signing
37:17books.
37:18It's
37:18incredible
37:18the amount
37:19of work
37:19that he
37:19produced
37:20in such
37:20a young
37:21life
37:21really.
37:23What about
37:23these drawings?
37:24Tell me about
37:24these.
37:25He did
37:25enjoy
37:26sketching
37:26and doodling
37:27throughout
37:27his life.
37:27Which is
37:28not something
37:28I knew
37:29until I
37:29saw
37:29these
37:29pictures.
37:30He
37:31really
37:31enjoyed
37:31working
37:31with
37:31other
37:32writers,
37:32artists
37:33and
37:33musicians
37:33and
37:34here
37:34his
37:35fellow
37:35poet
37:35Edith Sitwell.
37:36This
37:37has to
37:37be
37:37Edith Sitwell
37:37with
37:38this
37:38unmistakeable
37:40profile.
37:43He
37:43brought
37:43along
37:43a
37:44tweed
37:44jacket.
37:45Why?
37:46Well
37:46interestingly
37:47this isn't
37:48actually
37:48Dylan
37:48Thomas's
37:49jacket.
37:50He was
37:50someone who
37:50was notorious
37:51for running
37:51out of
37:52clean clothes
37:52and just
37:53generally
37:53not being
37:53able to
37:54look after
37:54himself
37:54very well.
37:55And on
37:56one of
37:56his
37:56reading
37:56tours
37:57of the
37:57US
37:57he was
37:58staying
37:58in the
37:58Chelsea
37:58Hotel
37:59that
37:59mecca
38:00for
38:00creative
38:00people
38:01and also
38:02staying
38:02there
38:03was a
38:03friend
38:03of
38:03his
38:03an
38:04artist
38:04called
38:05George
38:05Fick.
38:06Dylan
38:06had
38:06characteristically
38:07run out
38:07of clean
38:08clothes
38:08he had
38:08reading
38:09engagement
38:09and so
38:10George
38:10kindly
38:11lent
38:11him
38:11this
38:11jacket
38:12to wear
38:12for his
38:12reading
38:13and after
38:14Dylan
38:14gave it
38:15back to
38:15George
38:16he wore
38:16it for
38:16the rest
38:16of his
38:16life
38:17and he
38:17carried
38:17on
38:17painting
38:18in it
38:18so
38:19there are
38:19even
38:19little
38:20bits
38:20of
38:20paint
38:20from
38:20George
38:21Fick's
38:21brush
38:21and
38:22following
38:22his
38:23death
38:23his
38:23family
38:23kindly
38:24donated
38:24it
38:24to
38:24us
38:24so
38:25it's
38:25on
38:25display
38:25at
38:25the
38:26Dylan
38:26Thomas
38:26centre
38:26and
38:27Dylan
38:27Thomas
38:27died
38:28tragically
38:29young
38:29he was
38:29just
38:2939
38:30yes
38:31it was
38:31two weeks
38:32after his
38:3239th
38:33birthday
38:33he was
38:33on his
38:34fourth
38:34North
38:34American
38:35tour
38:35and he
38:36fell
38:36ill
38:36but he
38:38left
38:38an
38:38incredible
38:38body
38:39of
38:39work
38:39well
38:41he's
38:41a bit
38:42of a
38:42hero
38:42of mine
38:42so
38:43thank
38:43you
38:43so
38:44much
38:44for
38:45telling
38:45me
38:45about
38:45him
38:45I've
38:46really
38:46enjoyed
38:46hearing
38:47about
38:47it
38:47thank
38:48you
38:56so
38:57when I
38:57saw
38:58you
38:58at
38:58the
38:58table
38:58earlier
38:59and you
39:00plonked
39:00this
39:01in front
39:01of me
39:02yes
39:02John
39:02I
39:02thought
39:03please
39:03let the
39:04contents
39:04be there
39:05because
39:05the amount
39:06of times
39:06I'll open
39:07a box
39:07like this
39:07there's always
39:08one missing
39:08there's one
39:09missing
39:09or two
39:09missing
39:10but
39:11thankfully
39:11you got
39:12the full
39:13set
39:14when you
39:15think of
39:16anywhere
39:16like
39:16Edward VII
39:171902
39:18coronations
39:19they would
39:19produce
39:20a set
39:21of coins
39:21and this
39:22is the
39:22full
39:22set
39:23of coins
39:23from
39:25that
39:25year
39:25right
39:26produced
39:26by
39:27the
39:27royal
39:27mint
39:28and
39:28what's
39:30lovely
39:30about
39:30this
39:31is
39:31one
39:31the
39:31condition
39:32is
39:32very
39:32good
39:32and
39:35two
39:35you've
39:35got
39:36the
39:36full
39:36set
39:36because
39:36the
39:37gold
39:37and
39:37these
39:37are
39:38all
39:38nearly
39:39pure
39:39gold
39:40coins
39:40one
39:41or all
39:42of them
39:42either
39:42been
39:43sold
39:43at
39:43some
39:43point
39:44or
39:44it's
39:44unusual
39:45to
39:45see
39:45a
39:46set
39:46like
39:47this
39:47so
39:48tell
39:48me
39:48how
39:49you
39:49came
39:49by
39:49them
39:50well
39:50I
39:50came
39:51across
39:51them
39:51from
39:51my
39:51late
39:51dad
39:52and
39:53he
39:53had
39:53this
39:53black
39:54box
39:54I
39:55asked
39:56them
39:56a few
39:56times
39:56what's
39:57in it
39:57dad
39:57whatever
39:58you
39:58mind
39:58whatever
39:59you
39:59mind
39:59and
40:01sadly
40:01he
40:02passed
40:02away
40:03so
40:04found
40:06the
40:06key
40:06opened up
40:08the contents
40:08of the
40:09box
40:09there
40:10was
40:10his
40:11war
40:11medals
40:12and
40:13this
40:14case
40:15of
40:15coins
40:15wow
40:16and
40:16did he
40:16collect
40:17coins
40:17then
40:17no
40:18he
40:18didn't
40:18he
40:18was
40:18never
40:19a
40:19collector
40:19do
40:20you
40:20like
40:20them
40:21I
40:21do
40:22actually
40:22yeah
40:22I
40:23I
40:24I
40:24I
40:25I've
40:25just
40:25come
40:25along
40:25today
40:25just
40:25for
40:26curiosity
40:26I'm
40:26going
40:26to
40:27keep
40:27them
40:27because
40:27they're
40:27part of
40:28my
40:28dad
40:28and
40:29I'll
40:29pass
40:30them
40:30on to
40:30my
40:30niece
40:30when my
40:31days
40:31are
40:31gone
40:32value
40:34wise
40:34it's
40:35one of
40:36those areas
40:36which I
40:37think
40:37is still
40:37a good
40:37investment
40:38gold
40:38has
40:39proven
40:39just
40:40insanely
40:41good
40:41over the
40:42last
40:42few
40:42years
40:42and
40:43silver
40:43so
40:43people
40:44are
40:44still
40:44collecting
40:45these
40:45one
40:45because
40:45they're
40:45beautiful
40:46objects
40:46and
40:47they're
40:47only in
40:47my
40:48view
40:48going
40:48to
40:48go
40:48up
40:49as
40:49long
40:49as
40:49they're
40:50in
40:50this
40:50condition
40:50and
40:50you've
40:51got
40:51everything
40:51right
40:51which
40:51you
40:52have
40:52right
40:53so
40:53five to
40:55five and a half
40:56thousand
40:56goodness me
40:57wow
41:00I didn't
41:01think
41:01that
41:01much
41:01but no
41:02I'm
41:03keeping
41:03like I
41:05say
41:05it's a
41:05family
41:06handle
41:06it was
41:07handed
41:07down
41:07to
41:07him
41:08so
41:08I'll
41:08do
41:08this
41:08in
41:09I
41:10couldn't
41:10agree
41:11with
41:11you
41:11more
41:11because
41:11I
41:12would
41:12not
41:12be
41:12selling
41:13this
41:13lovely
41:14to
41:14see
41:14and
41:15thank
41:15you
41:15for
41:15bringing
41:15them
41:15in
41:15thank
41:16you
41:16John
41:16our
41:21location
41:22today
41:22on the
41:22Swansea
41:23waterfront
41:23is
41:24home
41:24to
41:24several
41:24museums
41:25full
41:25of
41:25objects
41:26that
41:26bring
41:26the
41:26past
41:27to
41:27life
41:27and
41:29Lisa
41:29Lloyd
41:29has
41:29spotted
41:30a
41:30ravishing
41:30Georgian
41:31dress
41:31that
41:32would
41:32grace
41:32any
41:32collection
41:33so
41:37it's
41:37this
41:38beautiful
41:38peach
41:38duchess
41:39satin
41:39who
41:40did
41:40it
41:40belong
41:40to
41:41it
41:41belonged
41:42to
41:42my
41:42three
41:43greats
41:43grandmother
41:44we
41:44believe
41:45Frances
41:45Mary
41:46Master
41:46Fielding
41:47who
41:47was
41:47married
41:48to
41:48Joseph
41:48Fielding
41:49who
41:50was
41:50a
41:51captain
41:51with
41:52the
41:52royal
41:52Lancashire
41:53militia
41:53between
41:541814
41:54and
41:551816
41:55we
41:56believe
41:56that
41:57he
41:57may well
41:57have served
41:58in
41:58Waterloo
41:58well
41:59his
42:00regiment
42:00didn't
42:01serve
42:01in
42:01Waterloo
42:02however
42:02captains
42:03were allowed
42:04to enlist
42:04in the army
42:05that was
42:06fighting
42:06Napoleon
42:07in France
42:07at that time
42:08in the Duke
42:08of Wellington's army
42:09now there was a very famous ball
42:11that took place
42:13on the 15th of June
42:151815
42:16in Brussels
42:17held by the Duchess of Richmond
42:19and her husband
42:20the Duke of Richmond
42:21he was in charge of all the British troops
42:23in France and Belgium
42:25basically trying to hold off Napoleon
42:28and she held a very famous ball on this evening
42:30which became known as the ball of the century
42:33and that
42:34so you say you've always known this as the Waterloo dress
42:36yes we've always known it as the Waterloo dress
42:38so you believe she was actually at that ball
42:40yes we do
42:40so this could well have been
42:43at a ball
42:44attended by the Duke of Wellington
42:45in 1815
42:46indeed
42:47now this would have been made
42:49by a dressmaker
42:49specifically for
42:51your three times removed
42:52great-grandmother
42:53because this is pre
42:54the days of sewing machines
42:55which weren't really invented
42:56until about the 1850s
42:58so it's been totally handmade
42:59and it would have been
43:00would have been made for her
43:01by probably a local dressmaker
43:03and these trims
43:05these would have been
43:05sort of purchased separately
43:07which would have been
43:07enormously expensive
43:08so we've got this
43:09in this sort of metal
43:11silver-coloured metal
43:12almost like bullion
43:13we have these little fan shapes here
43:15going all the way down
43:16and around the train at the back
43:18these are before the days of sequins
43:20and these are called spangles
43:21and they're little tiny metal discs
43:23and I love these little sort of puff
43:26puff sleeves with the cutouts
43:27with the different colours satin
43:29and if we look at this
43:31this was very modern at the time
43:3218, sort of 15
43:34if we only look
43:35sort of 20 years prior to that
43:37everybody's wearing
43:38massive hoop skirts
43:40loads and loads of fabric
43:41this was a really slim line
43:44very elegant
43:45you know
43:45it was the fashion to be
43:46sort of very tall
43:47and very slim
43:48and these dresses
43:48often had trains on them
43:50I have a photograph
43:52of my grandmother
43:53wearing this
43:54Frances Mary Champlies
43:56but obviously
43:58she was a vicar's daughter
43:59and it was very unseemly
44:00to show your bust
44:02so therefore
44:02a modesty vest
44:03was inserted in that
44:04I can see it's got a panel
44:06at the front
44:06which is obviously
44:07when this has been cut away
44:08it's not in
44:10immaculate condition
44:12however
44:12it is 200 years old
44:14so I think we can probably
44:15forgive it that
44:16but as a Regency dresser
44:18of that period
44:18it probably has a value
44:19of something like
44:21£1,000 to £1,500
44:22however
44:23you know
44:25if we had some
44:26documentary evidence
44:27to say that
44:27it was definitely
44:28at that ball
44:29then you know
44:29what's the price of history
44:31you know
44:31we could easily double that
44:32and possibly more
44:33but you know
44:35I was absolutely delighted
44:36to see it today
44:36so thank you for bringing it in
44:38you're very welcome
44:38this is a beautifully made
44:53little silver cabinet
44:54I suppose we call it
44:55but when I open the doors
44:57at the front
44:57it is an absolute
44:59gem of a jewel box
45:00how did you come by it
45:04so it's my grandad's
45:06and yeah
45:07he's just had it
45:07in his collection
45:08which has been
45:09I assume
45:10in dusty boxes
45:11in his house
45:12for years
45:13so he moved in
45:14with us last year
45:15with my mum and dad
45:16and we found it
45:17and it was all tarnished
45:19so we gave it
45:20a little polish
45:21and turned out
45:22that and that
45:22and here's what you've got
45:23were you excited
45:24when you got it out
45:25and opened the door
45:26yeah
45:27once we opened it
45:27we were pretty shocked
45:29it was really cute inside
45:30so was I
45:31I've got to tell you
45:32it's nice
45:33it's absolutely beautiful
45:34it's inlaid with gold
45:36all over
45:37gold
45:38on steel
45:38right
45:39this was made
45:40in the late 19th century
45:42right
45:43possibly by
45:44the Komei Works
45:45which is a workshop
45:46in Japan
45:47yeah
45:48that employed
45:49artisans
45:50that used to make
45:51samurai swords
45:52or used to decorate
45:53samurai swords
45:54but after the end
45:56of the samurai
45:56they were unemployed
45:58yeah
45:58but they had these
45:59incredible skills
46:00and they made
46:02things like this
46:03and all these
46:04little drawers open
46:05yeah
46:06and reveal
46:07I suppose
46:08it's a jewel box
46:09yeah
46:09that's what we're
46:10assuming yeah
46:11yeah
46:11I mean that's
46:12you could put anything
46:13you like in it
46:14but it's for something
46:15quite special
46:15yeah definitely
46:16these handles
46:17on the drawers
46:18are formed as
46:19chrysanthemums
46:20yeah
46:20which is the badge
46:22of the emperor of Japan
46:23wow okay
46:23so it has a sort of
46:24connection to imperial Japan
46:26the imperial works
46:27that used to make
46:28objects like this
46:29it's of astonishing quality
46:30even on the outside
46:32of the case
46:33it's been inlaid with
46:35for example
46:36here on these leaves
46:37have been inlaid with gold
46:38and all around the box
46:40there are mixed metal inlays
46:42which are difficult to do
46:44and unnecessary really
46:46but that's very much
46:47in the Japanese tradition
46:49of striving towards perfection
46:51so the quality of the thing
46:54in the round
46:55is fantastic too
46:56I hope
46:59that this will stay
47:01in your family
47:02for many many many years
47:03to come
47:04because I couldn't let it go
47:06if it were mine
47:06it's too pretty
47:07I just want to stare at it
47:08all the time
47:09quite right
47:09it's too pretty
47:10but I've got to tell you
47:12that if it came up for sale
47:14it would make somewhere
47:16around the two
47:16to two and a half thousand pounds
47:18really
47:18well that's
47:19we didn't think
47:20it was worth anything
47:21to be fair
47:22we just thought
47:22it was really pretty
47:23so that's really good
47:24and it's also
47:25rather valuable
47:26yeah
47:26but we obviously
47:27wouldn't be selling it
47:28it's going to be
47:29staying with us
47:30in the family
47:30yeah
47:31sit on the sideboard
47:32and be spared at
47:33that's what it's for
47:34yeah
47:35aw
47:36that's so nice
47:37now I'm looking
47:46at a wonderful thing
47:47called a rolling penguin
47:49that's right
47:50now why have you got this
47:51somebody gave it to me
47:52for my children
47:53a long time ago
47:54they used to have
47:55an antiques road show
47:56just for children
47:58a little boy asked
47:59at the end of that show
48:01what would be worth
48:02collecting or keeping
48:03from now
48:04to be valuable
48:05in the future
48:06but he had one
48:07of these there
48:08and he said
48:09oh something like this
48:10well I knew
48:11he had one upstairs
48:12so I run upstairs
48:13and I put it on top
48:14of the wardrobe
48:15so let's see what it does
48:16oh look it's great
48:20isn't it
48:20he's in brilliant condition
48:22I think this is one
48:25of the last things
48:26I'd have picked
48:26as the antiques
48:27of the future
48:27personally
48:28what's it worth
48:31I'm not expecting
48:33more than like
48:3310, 15 pound
48:35really
48:35well on a good day
48:37you might get that
48:39it could be a bit less
48:41oh no
48:43you've put a battery in it
48:44make the most of the battery
48:45yeah it's 3 pound
48:46with the battery
48:46nearly worth more
48:49than the thing
48:49was there anything
49:00in particular
49:01that got you
49:01into looking for
49:03and buying
49:04antique ceramics
49:06yes so
49:07me and my grandad
49:09used to
49:10spend a lot of time
49:11watching
49:12Antiques Roadshow
49:13yeah and he
49:14sadly passed away
49:16last year
49:18and
49:18I've just been
49:19kind of
49:20rummaging through
49:21charity shops
49:22I just find it
49:23quite therapeutic
49:23to just go
49:24treasure hunting
49:25and trying to find
49:26little
49:27yeah just weird
49:28and wonderful things
49:29and this is something
49:30I picked up there
49:31yeah I think
49:33it's beautifully modelled
49:34I mean we've got
49:35a lady
49:36sat on a chair
49:37seemingly looking
49:39after her
49:39her young child
49:41and it's a very
49:42compassionate piece
49:43very finely modelled
49:46but in a very
49:47kind of almost
49:47naive way
49:48and it was modelled
49:49by a Dutch sculptor
49:50called Henry
49:51de Scherer de Matos
49:53and he operated
49:54in the late 19th century
49:56into the early 20th century
49:58he modelled this
49:59somewhere
50:00between 1904
50:02and 1907
50:03he died in 1908
50:06so this could have
50:07been one of his
50:08very last pieces
50:09to be modelled
50:10and this was made
50:12at the Ha Ha
50:12pottery factory
50:14in Pomerant
50:15which is just
50:15north of Amsterdam
50:17now these subjects
50:19are very rare actually
50:21in Dutch pottery
50:22it's beautifully glazed
50:25in these
50:25mellica enamels
50:27so these very soft tones
50:29on the creases
50:30and shades of yellows
50:32what I love about this
50:34is that Henry
50:35has also signed it
50:36on the side here
50:38I think these are very rare
50:40the last one that came up
50:42was a good
50:43four or five years ago
50:45charity shop buy
50:47yep
50:48what sort of price
50:49was this
50:50I think it was about
50:5160
50:51which is
50:52obviously higher end
50:53for
50:54a charity shop
50:56but I thought
50:56just given the size
50:58of it as well
50:58the kind of
50:59it was quite
51:00an impressive
51:01piece
51:02good news
51:05if this were
51:07to come up
51:08at auction today
51:09this would easily
51:10fetch
51:11in the region of
51:12£1,500
51:14to £2,000
51:16not bad
51:18so
51:18a pretty good return
51:20yes
51:21yeah definitely
51:22on your £60
51:23and
51:24if you don't mind
51:25I'm definitely coming
51:25shopping with you
51:26next time
51:28thank you so much
51:30for bringing this along
51:31today
51:31it's really made
51:32my day
51:33so thank you
51:34well I mean
51:44here we are
51:44in Swansea
51:45in Wales
51:47and you brought
51:48this amazing shirt
51:50this is one of the
51:51earliest Welsh rugby
51:52shirts isn't it
51:53tell me about it
51:54it is indeed
51:55it's a Welsh
51:56international rugby
51:57jersey
51:57from 1893
51:59wow
52:01that is early
52:02and who did it
52:03belong to
52:03this belonged to
52:04David Dye Samuel
52:05who was a Swansea
52:06player
52:07and he had two caps
52:08in 1891
52:09and 1893
52:10and he wore this jersey
52:11both times
52:12and what position
52:13did he play
52:14he was a forward
52:15which is surprising
52:16isn't it
52:16well it is surprising
52:17because the shirt
52:18is so small
52:19well he was a tall guy
52:21he was five foot nine
52:23and he was 12 and a half
52:23stone
52:24and worked in the
52:25Kumbula tinplate works
52:26so he was certainly
52:27a very fit
52:28and healthy guy
52:29but you can see
52:30the shoulders
52:30are really quite narrow
52:31and this is a boy
52:32aged 14 mannequin
52:33and you can see
52:34we still got to pad it
52:35with acid free paper
52:36to get it to fit comfortably
52:38so yeah
52:38quite narrow shoulders
52:39but a very fit man
52:41and how did you come by it?
52:44well
52:44we're the St Helens Archive
52:45just down the road
52:47at St Helens Rugby
52:48and Cricket Ground
52:48and I'm the head archivist there
52:50and so it got brought to us
52:52by the Samuel family
52:54in fact
52:55it's on loan to us
52:57as long as we display it
52:58and let people enjoy it
53:00which we love to do
53:00well it's very generous
53:02to the family
53:02because these are
53:03you know
53:04very very special things
53:05I see that the three feathers
53:08they've changed as well
53:09over the years
53:10yes
53:10I mean if you think
53:11that the origin
53:13is actually ostrich feathers
53:14and here they're trying
53:15to make them look
53:16like ostrich feathers
53:17and it becomes more
53:17and more stylized
53:18as the decades go by
53:20this is a very very
53:21early version of
53:22and it's quite striking
53:23from 1893 to now
53:26I mean there's a few
53:26stains on it
53:27but this is in
53:28remarkable condition
53:29and what about these caps?
53:33well the caps here
53:34the one on your left here
53:35is his Swansea cap
53:37he played from 1889
53:39to 1893
53:40along with his brother Jack
53:42and they won back to back
53:43Welsh championships
53:44it was a golden period
53:45for Swansea
53:46on the other side here
53:48is his Glamorgan cap
53:49again its own story
53:51Glamorgan county
53:53as an entity
53:53had just started up
53:55they played away
53:55in Yorkshire
53:56the first game
53:57they played in Wales
53:58the two brothers
53:59Jack and Di
53:59were capped together
54:00and so this is
54:01a Glamorgan county cap
54:02so it's the very
54:03earliest performance
54:04of the county in Wales
54:06and of course at the front
54:08we have his Wales cap
54:09his first cap 91
54:11you know my job
54:14is to put a price on this
54:15I mean this shirt
54:16I hate to say
54:19it's almost priceless
54:19in Wales
54:20but it virtually is
54:22it being the only
54:23surviving triple crown
54:24and from the date
54:25and the story
54:26and everything
54:27I mean with the caps
54:28you know
54:29I would definitely
54:30be valuing this
54:32at somewhere between
54:33£20,000 to £25,000
54:36really
54:38that's amazing to hear
54:40but the value to us
54:41is really
54:41what we can do
54:42and what we can teach
54:43the local community
54:44about it
54:45that's the real
54:46genuine value
54:46of it for us
54:47and to be here
54:48to be here in Swansea
54:49and to have this
54:50lovely local history
54:52I can't thank you enough
54:53for bringing it in
54:54thank you so much
54:55fantastic
54:56the most valuable
55:03thing about the jersey
55:04is what it does
55:04for the community
55:05we want people
55:07to see it
55:07to enjoy it
55:08and that's for us
55:09where the real value is
55:10but it's certainly
55:11pleasing
55:12and a little intimidating
55:13to hear
55:13how much it was worth
55:14it's the end
55:23of a busy day
55:24here in Swansea
55:24and after all
55:26the sunshine
55:26and showers
55:27it's not surprising
55:28that some of us
55:29could do with a nice
55:30sit down
55:30hello ladies
55:32I know waiting
55:33in the queue
55:34sometimes at the roadshow
55:35can get a bit tiring
55:35people don't often
55:36bring along
55:36their own chairs
55:37yes but these
55:38aren't any chairs
55:39they're actually
55:40bardic
55:41Eisteddfod chairs
55:42that were won
55:43by our great
55:44grandfather
55:44William Leishon
55:45Griffiths
55:46in Eisteddfods
55:48here in Wales
55:49of course the hugely
55:51important cultural festival
55:52here in Wales
55:53indeed and he was
55:53he was a celebrated
55:55Welsh poet
55:56from Astragunleis
55:57in the Swansea Valley
55:58I'm the youngest
55:59of the great
56:00grandchildren
56:01and inherited this chair
56:02from 1899
56:04and I'm the eldest great
56:05granddaughter
56:06and I inherited
56:07this one
56:07let's have a look
56:08oh yes
56:09let's have a quick look
56:10at it
56:10because each chair
56:11is a work of art
56:11in itself
56:12yes
56:12and what does this
56:14mean here
56:14well it says
56:15a draig goch
56:16a draig achwen
56:18which means
56:19which means
56:19the red dragon
56:20will show the way
56:21what a treat
56:23to see these
56:24we thought we'd like
56:25to share a few words
56:26of his poetry
56:27with you
56:28if we may
56:29it's about a blacksmith
56:30and how although
56:32he was bent over
56:33and short in stature
56:35he still had
56:36fire in his eye
56:38and steel in his arms
56:39a gov bach
56:41din bach
56:43o gofforlaeth
56:44oedd William
56:45y go
56:46y chydig
56:47droed feddau
56:48mewn plyg
56:49y doedd o
56:50ond er yn grymedig
56:52i'r byd
56:53dan ei feich
56:54roedd tân
56:55yn ei lygad
56:56a dir
56:57yn ei fraich
56:59it sounds wonderful
57:01absolutely wonderful
57:02I think it sounds
57:03more beautiful
57:03in the Welsh language
57:05well it's the end
57:07of our day here in Wales
57:08so I'm wondering
57:08if you could say
57:09on behalf of all of us
57:11we very much enjoyed
57:12our day in Swansea
57:13goodbye from the
57:15Antiques Roadshow
57:15Hoyl Wawr
57:17or Antiques Roadshow
57:18couldn't have put it
57:20better myself
57:21very good
57:21bye bye
57:22bye bye
57:22bye bye bye
57:31bye bye
57:31bye bye
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