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00:00.
00:05Hold it up here. That's it.
00:09One, two, three.
00:12There you go. See that? See the light?
00:15We're recording.
00:17Shall we do it, then? Let's get this done.
00:19I'm scared, dear.
00:21Well, let's just get past the doorknock, shall we?
00:24Yeah, OK, stop it normally. OK, um...
00:27OK, let's do it. Let's do it, then.
00:29Oh, God.
00:35Come on, you'll be fine, honestly, Neil.
00:37Yeah, I know, but, you know, it's...
00:39Just think of the relief when you've done it.
00:40What are we doing?
00:50Keep going.
00:52Well, it's all right for you.
00:54You think this is the one?
01:04All right, let's just do it.
01:06Come on, Neil.
01:07The chances of finding Lucan alive.
01:13How would a gambler put it?
01:1610,000 to one?
01:20That's Lucan.
01:21Of course that's Lucan, all day long.
01:2395%.
01:2595%.
01:26He's the same man 50 years old.
01:28Oh, no, no, no.
01:30No, it's not my friend Lucky.
01:32I knew who it was the second that I saw him.
01:35I swear on my mother's grave that he is Lord Lucan.
01:38Imagine.
01:39Imagine if you thought you'd eluded justice for that long.
01:45And your nemesis has found you.
01:51I found out when I was about nine or ten.
02:06I remember my dad being very quiet.
02:10It was my mum that actually told me about adoption.
02:16I don't think they told me I was adopted.
02:19They told me about adoption.
02:20And I remember them saying,
02:22it's not that somebody didn't want you in a past life,
02:25but it meant for whatever reason,
02:27somebody couldn't look after you.
02:32I remember telling all my friends,
02:33well, guess what?
02:34I'm adopted.
02:35So I sort of used it a little bit.
02:38Does that make sense?
02:40Oh, no.
02:41Oh, mum.
02:42She's kept all sorts.
02:44Me with my mum on holiday.
02:47She's a lovely lady, my mum.
02:50I was very happy where I was.
02:53I wasn't curious at all.
02:57Nice one there with my mum and dad.
03:02Later on in life,
03:04my mother used to talk about a brown envelope.
03:07You should open it.
03:09There's items in the envelope that you're going to need some,
03:14basically some answers to some questions.
03:17And I remember saying,
03:18no, mum, no, I'm not interested.
03:20I don't need the brown envelope.
03:22I remember saying to her,
03:23it's, um...
03:24on her deathbed.
03:25I remember saying to her mum,
03:27she goes, yes?
03:28Where's that brown envelope?
03:29She said, I'm not telling you,
03:30but you'll find it when you need it.
03:31I've left it another three years.
03:33And my dad was out,
03:34went to my mum's bedroom.
03:35And it was easy,
03:36just to draw.
03:37And it was easy,
03:38just to draw.
03:39And I knew that she had cancer.
03:40And I remember saying to her,
03:41it's, um...
03:42on her deathbed.
03:43I remember saying to her mum,
03:44she goes, yes?
03:45Where's that brown envelope?
03:47She said, I'm not telling you,
03:48but you'll find it when you need it.
03:50I've left it another three years.
03:54And my dad was out,
03:56went to my mum's bedroom.
03:58And it was easy.
03:59Chest of drawers.
04:00Opened the drawer,
04:01and there it was.
04:02Dear Mr. and Mrs. Berryman,
04:03I'm pleased to tell you
04:04that we have a baby son for you.
04:06His mother was a single girl,
04:08aged 21.
04:09She's five foot two,
04:10green eyes and a fair complexion.
04:12She already has a little boy
04:13who, at the moment,
04:14is being cared for by her parents,
04:16and she feels that she's been cared for.
04:18She's been cared for by her parents,
04:20and she feels that she cannot possibly
04:21bring up a baby herself.
04:24The baby's father is a man
04:26she has known for quite a long time,
04:27but he is married to someone else.
04:30Unfortunately,
04:31while his wife had a period in hospital,
04:33she visited his home.
04:35Intercourse occurred.
04:37Dear.
04:38And she became pregnant.
04:40Baby will be ready on March the 23rd,
04:44and if you like him,
04:45you can take him home.
04:47How strange is that?
04:49Well, he obviously did like you.
04:53Yeah.
04:54But all babies are nice,
04:55aren't they really?
04:56So it's...
05:00But the most bizarre thing
05:01was a newspaper article
05:03from 1994.
05:05The day a young boy discovered the truth
05:15about fugitive Piers' nanny.
05:17I didn't know Lucan had murdered my mother
05:20until I was 11.
05:21I was always told she was my sister.
05:24What did you know about the Lord Lucan affair?
05:27Well, I knew a bit about the nanny being beaten to death
05:29by an aristocrat who then disappeared
05:30and just escaped justice and went on the run.
05:34And I...
05:35I didn't understand why we seem to have a newspaper article
05:37about somebody who was brought up by his grandparents.
05:40He actually believed his mother, Sandra Rivet,
05:43was his sister.
05:44Somebody called Stephen Hensby.
05:45This is my adoption birth certificate.
05:59Neil James Berryman.
06:01It was then that I managed to put two and two together.
06:06This is my adoption order with my real name.
06:09Gary Roger Hensby.
06:20So Stephen, the boy from the newspaper article,
06:24must be my brother.
06:26Stephen Hensby.
06:29But the lady can't be connected to me
06:32because she's called Sandra Rivet.
06:34I read the article one last time
06:45and down the bottom I then realised actually
06:48her name was Sandra Eleanor Hensby.
06:51So I am the son of Sandra Eleanor Hensby,
07:09also known as the nanny murdered by Lord Lucan in 1974.
07:14A simple letter was what I was expecting,
07:19but this just doesn't happen, does it?
07:23You know, the chances of you being adopted
07:25and finding out that your real mother is
07:27in one of the biggest murder mysteries of all time,
07:30it's just... it's unbelievable.
07:34My mother actually sort of sent me on a journey
07:37of detective work right from the start
07:39and the brown envelope has set me on a world
07:43of mystery, intrigue, corruption, sadness, depression.
07:50I wouldn't have thought the one minute
07:52that my mother would have expected me
07:56to have taken it to the extreme
07:57to which I've taken it now.
07:59But she did know you.
08:03Yeah, she did, yeah.
08:04I mean, I'm no detective, but you don't really have to be.
08:07I think if you've got the mentality of being so tenacious
08:12that I won't let anything lie.
08:14When all this started, all that I knew
08:19was what every man on the street knew,
08:23which was not very much.
08:27Good heavens.
08:28I see.
08:29Well, this is...
08:30Good afternoon.
08:31Hmm.
08:32Hmm.
08:33Hmm.
08:34Hmm.
08:35I was desperate.
08:36to know as much as I could.
08:37And as fast as I could.
08:38Oh, God.
08:39Oh, God.
08:40Gah!
08:41What's this?
08:42Oh, my Lesne.
08:43Oh great.
08:44Oh, Lord.
08:45What?
08:46What's this?
08:47Oh, my Nangas.
08:48Good Champions.
08:51If you don't want you to go to the Nightingale..
08:53Mm.
08:54I was desperate to know as much as I could
08:58and as fast as I could.
09:01Oh, God.
09:09What's this?
09:11Oh, my land cave.
09:13Couldn't wish for a better place, really.
09:14It's ideal having a builder's lock-up for my research.
09:30The only way I could really get any sense of it,
09:33right from the start,
09:36was to watch all the dramas that have been made.
09:39What I find stranger is people playing my mother.
09:49I think, cos I've got no massive connection with Sandra,
09:52so when I see something on the screen,
09:55it doesn't matter what drama it's in.
09:58That's my mum.
10:01Most of them seem to start with Lady Luke and Veronica
10:05running down Lower Vail Grave Street towards the plumber's arms.
10:08The police were called
10:09after Lady Luke had ran into the street shouting murder.
10:13You ready?
10:14OK.
10:15My name is Graeme Forsyth.
10:17I'm an ex-detective sergeant of the Metropolitan Police,
10:21retiring some years ago.
10:28I got to the premises around 10 o'clock, 10.20.
10:32We go through the house.
10:34We split.
10:35One went one way, one went the other.
10:37I got the basement floor.
10:44Tricky, isn't it?
10:45Even watching the reconstruction is, um...
10:48horrendous.
10:52I know the lightbulb had gone.
10:54There was no light.
10:57In the dark,
10:59I could see there was a sack.
11:02It was a big sack.
11:03There appeared to be an arm hanging out of it
11:06over the side of the sack.
11:11There was an awful amount of blood.
11:15There was blood everywhere.
11:16It was seeping through the sack.
11:18It was coming through the top of the sack.
11:20It was everywhere.
11:21You were literally paddling in blood.
11:23I genuinely thought it was possible that the victim
11:26had been decapitated with so much blood.
11:29Upstairs, we discovered there were children.
11:36I wanted to know whose house we were in.
11:41It turned out that we were told that it was owned by Lord Lucan.
11:49Where was Lord Lucan?
11:53Word has flown through London as fast as that.
11:57Here we've got an aristocrat.
11:58God help us.
11:59We've got this.
12:00We've got that.
12:01All the other.
12:01And it's murder.
12:02There's blood everywhere.
12:03Woof.
12:04The word is travelling fast.
12:10As the evening standard,
12:12body in sack.
12:14Countess runs out screaming.
12:16Daily Mail,
12:17haunted for murder.
12:18World hunt for missing Earl.
12:20Body of Sandra Rivet is taken from the house
12:22in Lower Belgravia Street.
12:24She was trussed up in the bag,
12:26battered to death with a piece of lead pipe.
12:28World-wide murder hunt was underway last night
12:31for the Earl of Lucan 39,
12:32missing since his children was married.
12:39It's all about Lord Lucan.
12:41An aristocrat.
12:43Pier of the realm.
12:45Moustache.
12:48But who is he?
12:56I knew him for 20 years.
13:01Saw him almost every day.
13:05Here is a gambler.
13:07Tacky Theodorokopoulos by name.
13:09I met Lucky,
13:10as we called him,
13:11because we all belonged
13:12to the Claremont Club,
13:14where we gambled
13:15all day long.
13:16Were you a gambler?
13:17Yes, I was.
13:19What's the most you've lost
13:20in one session of gambler?
13:21A hundred.
13:22You're not talking about
13:23a hundred pounds, aren't you?
13:24No, a hundred thousand.
13:26Claremont membership
13:27was very, very difficult
13:29to get into,
13:30but Lucky,
13:31he had lunch and dinner there
13:32every day,
13:34seven days a week.
13:35And you called him Lucky?
13:37His name was Lucky
13:38because he was so unlucky
13:39in gambling.
13:42If you're stupid enough
13:43to gamble,
13:44like anything dangerous,
13:47it's a thrill.
13:48The international
13:50offshore powerboat race
13:51is on testing course.
13:53White migrants still leading.
13:54Lord Bingham
13:55giving water to no man.
13:57Gambler,
13:58loves speed,
14:00strikes me anything
14:00that he wants to do,
14:02he just gets on
14:02and does it.
14:12The lifestyle's amazing,
14:14isn't it?
14:15I mean, look at it.
14:16They don't want
14:17for anything,
14:18do they?
14:18Friends, luxury yachts.
14:21Got an attractive wife,
14:22Veronica.
14:25They definitely
14:26like the camera.
14:27I mean,
14:27they filmed everything
14:28about their life.
14:30Everything looks ideal.
14:35He loved his children,
14:37that's clear from this.
14:41Throwing things around,
14:43I mean,
14:44watching some of this,
14:45she wouldn't have thought
14:46that he would have wanted
14:47to have left them.
14:53They had everything,
14:54didn't they?
14:56What was he doing,
14:57killing my mother?
15:01They had separated.
15:04He had another address.
15:06So I went down there.
15:07I discovered quite a few tapes.
15:11He'd made tapes of his wife.
15:13What kind of tapes?
15:16From the phone.
15:17He secretly recorded his wife
15:19as well as I know.
15:20What was he trying to get her to say?
15:22Nothing, just talking.
15:24He used to tell her that she was ill,
15:26but she wasn't well.
15:29And she needed treatment.
15:30I do remember them there.
15:35Lady Lucan left her home in Belgravia,
15:37guarded by police,
15:38as she has been
15:39since her husband's disappearance.
15:41A really surprising number
15:44of people were willing
15:45to talk to me.
15:47Veronica's sister,
15:49Lucan's sister,
15:51people who'd really known them.
15:53Weren't you just together?
15:55Yeah.
15:57He was very good.
15:58There was this malign chemistry
16:02between the Lucans.
16:03She looked very, very pretty
16:16and he looked very handsome
16:17and it all looked rather fairytale.
16:19But, I mean,
16:21I've always wondered
16:21if he was gay, to be honest.
16:24Really? Why so?
16:27Well, I'm not,
16:28that's not just me saying that.
16:31People said things like,
16:32oh, he was known to be safe in taxes
16:34and things like that.
16:37He rang me up
16:38and said,
16:39I decided to get married.
16:40He sounded as if he's always
16:42the right thing to do.
16:43They were unemotional.
16:45He had to have an heir
16:47and do those conventional things.
16:49But, by degrees,
16:51things just fell apart.
16:55It was the custody case.
16:57It was all about that.
16:58It was a vicious hearing.
17:05Veronica talked about
17:07his sexual proclivities,
17:10claimed that he was violent.
17:13She herself admitted
17:15she had mental health issues.
17:18She had a psychiatrist
17:19who was said on her behalf,
17:21as long as she takes lithium,
17:23she's fit to have custody.
17:28Lucky came to see me here in Kshtan.
17:31And he said to me,
17:32you know, it's a strange thing.
17:34The moment she walks
17:35into a court of law,
17:37she transforms from a mad woman
17:39to a perfectly sane,
17:41perfectly articulate person,
17:44and swings the judge every time.
17:45After he lost,
17:49the court order said
17:51she must have a nanny in situ.
17:53She was not capable
17:54of looking after them herself.
17:55There was a procession of nannies,
17:57a constant procession of nannies.
18:03And into that chaos
18:05walks my mother.
18:07There's very few people
18:14that are around
18:14that can give us a sense
18:16of what it was like
18:18on the inside.
18:20At the time,
18:21I read that my mother
18:22had a boyfriend,
18:25an Aussie bar manager
18:26called John.
18:31Good-looking fellow, wasn't he?
18:33And he had hair.
18:37I took over the plumber's arms.
18:39It was a good little boozer.
18:41And this was actually the pub
18:42that Veronica ran to
18:44on the night of the murder.
18:47This is where I met Sandra.
18:48And what was your first impression?
18:50Nice bum.
18:52Seriously.
18:55She was a lot of fun.
18:56Does a bit of piss-taking.
18:58She had a great job.
18:59She'd made good friends with her boss.
19:02Veronica was a nice person.
19:03She really was.
19:04Well, I mean,
19:05some people come right out with it
19:06and say she was completely mad.
19:08Bullshit.
19:15This is Veronica,
19:16Lady Lucan's book.
19:18And she talks about
19:19the first time she met Sandra.
19:22A very nice girl
19:23who looked most respectable
19:25and well-turned out.
19:26I liked her at once.
19:28She seemed kind and decent.
19:30She said she liked
19:31to take her pride in her work
19:32and understood the difficulties
19:34attached to my situation.
19:42I was up there one day
19:43waiting for Sandra to come out
19:44and his lordship,
19:46he was standing across the road
19:48near a park,
19:48just standing there watching the house.
19:50They were getting phone calls
19:56in the house.
19:57Midnight,
19:58it'd be three o'clock
19:58in the morning.
19:59Nobody on the other end,
20:01heavy breathing,
20:02all that sort of bullshit.
20:04Try and intimidate her
20:05and send her over the edge.
20:08Sandra,
20:08at one stage,
20:09took one of the calls
20:10and just said to him,
20:12why don't you just fuck off?
20:13We know who you are.
20:16I said,
20:16did you say that to him?
20:17She said,
20:17yeah,
20:17of course I did.
20:18So.
20:19She sounds quite a tough one.
20:21Yeah.
20:21Yeah,
20:22very strong personality.
20:29We saw that deterioration
20:32of Lucky,
20:33especially the last two weeks.
20:35He was drinking all the time.
20:38He came to see me
20:39two nights before the murder.
20:42He borrowed some money,
20:44£3,000.
20:45He said because of the children.
20:48I mean,
20:49for him to come to me
20:50to ask for that money,
20:53he must have been pretty desperate.
20:55He had no money.
20:58Because the creditors
20:59were closing in.
21:01I don't think there was
21:02a major bank
21:03he didn't owe money to.
21:05He lost £20,000 on the case.
21:08His gambling
21:08became more and more manic
21:10because he was trying
21:12to win money,
21:13which as soon as you try
21:14and do that,
21:14you inevitably lose.
21:16And he did become
21:17obsessional
21:17and he was stalking her
21:18and he was,
21:19it was really the end.
21:24There's endless theories
21:25of what happened that night
21:26on the 7th of November,
21:29but the police
21:29are pretty clear cut
21:31on what happened.
21:33Lucan was furious
21:34about the custody case.
21:36He goes to the house
21:37to kill Veronica,
21:38goes down into the basement,
21:41removes the light bulb,
21:43then waits in the darkness
21:45and Sandra came down the stairs
21:49to wash up some cups
21:51or make another cup of tea
21:52and he bludgeoned her to death.
21:55And then he violently
21:57attacks Veronica
21:58when she'd come down
21:59to the basement
22:00to see where Sandra was.
22:01Veronica managed to escape,
22:05run down the road
22:06and raise the alarm.
22:08So he got the wrong woman.
22:10A case of mistaken identity.
22:13Do you think it was?
22:14I did.
22:15Everybody did.
22:17Then I got a call
22:18from the police
22:19asking if I wanted
22:21to come in
22:22and look at the case files.
22:23The lady was very nice.
22:30She said,
22:30if this will help you,
22:31we have a book
22:32of the crime scene photographs.
22:36I've never seen any pictures
22:37of the crime scene
22:39and I was due
22:41to get the train home.
22:44The book was to one side.
22:48I thought...
22:49I did give a health warning
22:54because once he turns the page
22:57and looks at those images,
22:59you can't unsee them.
23:01You could tell
23:01he was really thinking hard
23:03about what he wanted to do,
23:05needed to do.
23:07And he chose to turn those pages.
23:15Front door steps.
23:17They've worked their way
23:19into the house.
23:22Downstairs,
23:23the basement.
23:25The tea tray
23:26at the bottom of the stairs
23:28with all the broken cups.
23:30Coming down the stairs,
23:31we can see broken crockery.
23:34We start to see
23:36Sandra's body here
23:37in the mail sack.
23:42Blood all over the floor.
23:43And also some splattering
23:47right at the bottom
23:48of the stairs
23:49where the first blows
23:51were struck.
23:54Lots of blood
23:54on the door.
23:57In the mail sack.
23:59Other photographs.
24:22It's probably about
24:24seven, eight
24:25really disturbing photographs.
24:27Six major blows
24:32to the head
24:32split in the scalp
24:33and then bruising
24:36to the back
24:36of the right hand
24:38defence wounds
24:39where she would have
24:40tried to block.
24:42You found
24:42there was a lead pipe
24:43not very long
24:45but very heavy.
24:46The old fashioned
24:46lead piping
24:47you used to get
24:48in old houses.
24:50And then you think
24:50well why keep bashing her?
24:53What was the point?
24:54I mean this is supposed
24:55to be a gentleman.
24:57Why keep bashing the kid?
24:59There's no excuse
25:00but he was
25:01completely drunk.
25:03Do you think?
25:04Well I know so
25:05because he had
25:05drank two bottles
25:06of vodka
25:07he was about
25:07to kill his wife.
25:09A cold blooded murder.
25:11Wouldn't drink at all.
25:12Would drink water.
25:13The story goes
25:14he accidentally
25:15kills the wrong person.
25:17I don't believe that.
25:19She was trying
25:20to protect herself
25:21with her forearms
25:22and I think
25:23she's got bruising
25:23on the front of the face.
25:25That would indicate
25:25that somebody was
25:27they were face to face.
25:32Lucan's plan
25:33was to convince
25:34everybody that
25:35Veronica was mad
25:36and then get custody
25:37of the children.
25:37this was not going
25:40the right way
25:40for Lucan was it?
25:42I think because
25:43Sandra was there
25:45Veronica was able
25:46to cope with it better.
25:48When Sandra was
25:49in the house
25:49with Veronica
25:50I think it gave
25:51Veronica
25:51a sense of safety
25:53and security.
25:54his plans were
25:57falling apart.
25:59He wanted rid of her.
26:03The most upsetting
26:04thing about it all
26:05is that she didn't
26:06die instantly.
26:09It destroyed me.
26:15And you never knew her?
26:19No, I never
26:20knew Sandra.
26:22But that doesn't
26:23change things
26:23does it?
26:25She's still
26:26your mother.
26:42I don't get
26:47to see many people
26:48that knew their mum
26:49the way that you knew her.
26:51To find out
26:51as much as you can
26:52before I can't
26:52go back to Palby.
26:53That's what I'm here.
26:56We're just
26:57enjoying life
26:58that's all.
26:59To be honest
27:00your mum
27:00said to me
27:01three or four weeks
27:02into the relationship
27:03that she had
27:05baggage of her own
27:06you know
27:06and she explained
27:07about putting
27:08herself into
27:09a facility
27:11because she was
27:12depressed
27:12and I learned
27:13about Stephen
27:14I learned
27:15about you.
27:16Sandra was
27:16depressed?
27:18Not when I knew
27:19she wasn't
27:19working for somebody
27:21that she really
27:22liked and vice
27:23versa
27:23and the kids
27:23loved her.
27:24What did she say
27:25about me then
27:26John?
27:27Nothing much
27:28to be honest
27:29I'm sorry.
27:29I had no idea
27:30who adopted you
27:31or anything
27:32like that
27:33so I can't
27:35give you much
27:36more information
27:36on that.
27:37That's fine.
27:37I'm pretty sure
27:38she felt
27:39that both
27:40of you
27:41were getting
27:41a better chance
27:43at life
27:43than what she
27:44was able
27:45to give you.
27:47Who knows
27:48later on down
27:49the track
27:49she might have
27:49started looking
27:50for you
27:50and Stephen
27:51and that sort
27:51of thing
27:52I don't know.
27:53It is what it is
27:54I'm afraid.
27:59Something you
28:00need to know
28:00about that
28:01particular night
28:02the day before
28:06I rang your mum
28:09and said
28:10can you swap
28:11nights
28:11because I'm
28:12going to have
28:12to be working
28:13which was normally
28:14her night off
28:15so I got her
28:18to change
28:18her shift
28:20so Sandra
28:21was home
28:22that night
28:22when she should
28:23have been
28:23out with me.
28:32and no matter
28:35what people
28:36say to you
28:36you can't
28:38forgive yourself
28:38for something
28:39like that.
28:43And there's
28:44nothing I can
28:44do about it
28:45you know
28:46it was
28:46it was my fault.
28:57Give me a second.
29:02Imagine your
29:04girlfriend's
29:05brutally murdered
29:06and John's
29:08had to
29:08put it in a
29:09box and put
29:10the lid on it.
29:11If I hadn't
29:12asked her to
29:12change a night
29:13off
29:13if
29:15if
29:16if
29:16if
29:17if
29:1750 years
29:19that he's
29:19been stewing
29:20on that
29:20sometimes I'll
29:23feel as though
29:23I'm the one
29:24that actually
29:24killed her.
29:25That's a bit
29:26harsh.
29:27You mustn't
29:27beat yourself
29:28up over it.
29:30Who was to
29:30know that
29:31it wouldn't
29:31have happened
29:32the week
29:33after.
29:39Until you've
29:40been in a
29:40situation where
29:41somebody closely
29:42has been
29:42murdered you
29:43really don't
29:43understand what
29:44what the
29:46feelings of
29:47anger,
29:48revenge,
29:50injustice
29:52really mean.
29:55If you think
29:56of battery
29:57you're close
29:58to a person
29:58you must have
29:59a sense of
30:00who they are
30:00you must have
30:01a sense of
30:01the voice
30:02that you're
30:02hearing.
30:03Even in
30:03the dark
30:04you know
30:04the feel
30:05the smell
30:05of people
30:06don't you
30:06to put it
30:07at its
30:07most basic.
30:08They're in
30:09your mind
30:09that Sandra
30:09had different
30:10coloured hair
30:11then whoever
30:11attacked Sandra
30:12knew it was
30:13Sandra.
30:14Do you agree?
30:15you couldn't
30:17ask Sandra
30:18rivet she was
30:18dead.
30:19Oh it's just
30:20never ending.
30:24It's been
30:25very very
30:26difficult.
30:27Many many
30:28hours every
30:29weekend up on
30:30the computer
30:31all come and
30:32look at this.
30:33Quite good having
30:34a bit of a
30:34mission isn't
30:35it?
30:35Yeah it's
30:37good having
30:38a mission
30:38in life
30:38but not
30:39at the
30:39expense
30:40of
30:40your own
30:42life.
30:43It's
30:43just
30:44taken over.
30:48I'll try
30:48to bring
30:49back to
30:49normality
30:50you know
30:50what we're
30:50doing this
30:51week
30:51you know
30:51where are
30:52we going
30:52on holiday
30:52shall I
30:53book it
30:53but the
30:54conversation
30:55always comes
30:56back to
30:57Lucan.
30:59And what
30:59happened to
31:00Lucan
31:00after that
31:01night?
31:01My own
31:02view is
31:02that he's
31:03dead.
31:05As far as
31:07the police
31:07were concerned
31:08I think
31:10it's fair
31:10to say
31:10that from
31:11almost
31:12immediately
31:12the case
31:13was solved
31:14and the
31:15only issue
31:16was
31:16where is
31:18Lord Lucan?
31:19I wish
31:19to interview
31:20him and
31:20I'd like
31:20to interview
31:21him as
31:21soon as
31:22possible
31:22and if
31:23any person
31:24is helping
31:24him or
31:25have any
31:25knowledge
31:26of his
31:26whereabouts
31:26we'd like
31:27them to
31:27let us
31:27know.
31:28Have
31:28you any
31:28idea
31:29why he
31:29isn't
31:29coming
31:30forward
31:30at the
31:30moment?
31:31No.
31:32All the
31:32police knew
31:33was that
31:34he'd driven
31:34that night
31:35in a
31:35borrowed
31:36car
31:36to
31:37Uckfield
31:37in
31:37Sussex.
31:39Then he
31:39would come
31:40along here
31:40but this
31:42is the
31:42area that
31:42we were
31:43The next
31:44thing we
31:44know
31:44which is
31:45in a
31:45sense
31:46the last
31:46thing
31:47is that
31:48the car
31:48he was
31:49driving
31:49was found
31:50abandoned
31:50in an
31:51obscure
31:52residential
31:53road
31:53in
31:53Newhaven
31:54which is
31:55of course
31:56a port
31:56and
31:58therefore
31:58natural
31:59narrative
32:00would
32:00lead
32:01one
32:01to
32:01say
32:02that
32:02Newhaven
32:03is
32:03journey's
32:04end
32:04there
32:05were
32:06ferries
32:06that
32:07went
32:07regularly
32:08to
32:08Dieppe
32:09so one
32:10would
32:10say
32:11he got
32:12on one
32:13of those
32:13ferries
32:13and he
32:14jumped
32:14off
32:15he tried
32:17everything
32:17even had
32:18the bloody
32:19ferry
32:19taken out
32:20of the
32:20water
32:20because
32:21forensically
32:22though it's
32:23been in
32:23the water
32:24they could
32:24still find
32:25where the
32:25propellers
32:26had chopped
32:27him up
32:27that was
32:29a theory
32:30but they
32:30didn't find
32:31anything
32:31what do you
32:32think happened
32:33well I think
32:34in the end
32:35he did
32:35himself
32:35soon afterwards
32:40I think
32:42so
32:42it all
32:43gone so
32:43terribly
32:44wrong
32:44he must
32:46have been
32:46terribly
32:46depressed
32:47the search
32:50began at
32:51nine o'clock
32:51this morning
32:52dogs were
32:52used to
32:53check a
32:53rugged
32:53half mile
32:54stretch
32:54of cliffs
32:55police also
32:58search
32:59caravans
32:59on a
33:00site
33:00overlooking
33:00the
33:01harbour
33:01he must
33:03have
33:03sobered
33:04up
33:04then he
33:05realises
33:05they had
33:06committed
33:06a terrible
33:07crime
33:08and there
33:09was no
33:09coming
33:09back
33:10the police
33:10divers
33:11are due
33:11to carry
33:11out an
33:12underwater
33:12search
33:13of the
33:13harbour
33:13they'll
33:14be concentrating
33:14on a deep
33:15hole
33:15where a
33:16number of
33:16bodies
33:16have been
33:17found
33:17in the
33:18past
33:18the only
33:19thing that
33:19makes sense
33:20to me
33:20was that
33:21he killed
33:21himself
33:21immediately
33:22lucky was
33:24a very
33:24experienced
33:25sailor
33:26puts
33:27weights
33:27on him
33:28and goes
33:28down
33:28the
33:28channel
33:29but it's
33:30quite hard
33:30isn't it
33:31because bodies
33:31usually
33:32eventually
33:32come to
33:33the surface
33:33no they
33:33don't
33:34if they're
33:34weighed
33:35down
33:35and
33:36fish
33:37eat
33:37you
33:38please
33:42take
33:43my
33:43word
33:43all
33:44his
33:44friends
33:44knew
33:45from
33:45day
33:45one
33:46like
33:46he died
33:4750 years
33:48ago
33:48on that
33:49night
33:49he's dead
33:57job done
33:58that was
34:00the consensus
34:01I was
34:04stumped
34:05he seemed
34:06to have
34:07disappeared
34:07off the face
34:08of the earth
34:08I didn't
34:10know what
34:11to do
34:11morning
34:18morning
34:19good
34:20to see
34:20you
34:20all right
34:21yeah not
34:21too bad
34:21all good
34:22yeah
34:22cold out
34:23there
34:23was it
34:23yeah
34:24I met
34:25Glen in
34:252008
34:26I'm a bit
34:27hungry actually
34:27I went for a run
34:28this morning
34:28so I'm going to
34:29have a little bit
34:29did you start
34:30doing that
34:31I'm trying to do
34:32couch to 5k
34:33in six months
34:34Glen is a
34:36investigative
34:36reporter
34:37it's only when you
34:39get to Dunkirk
34:40that you realise
34:40just how easy
34:41it is to get
34:42past French
34:42security
34:43half an hour's
34:44drive through
34:45the Judean
34:46desert
34:46and you reach
34:47here
34:47the Dead Sea
34:48this bridge
34:49is over the
34:49M6
34:50near the
34:50Sands
34:51Batch
34:51services
34:52because they
34:52know most
34:53badger baiters
34:54know first hand
34:55the dangers
34:56of picking up
34:57battlefield
34:58ammunition
34:58actually I emailed
35:00the BBC
35:01after watching
35:02the programme
35:02and I think
35:04it was probably
35:04the plastic surgery
35:05that's it
35:061963
35:07Carolyn's
35:08father's notes
35:09detail and operation
35:10performed on
35:11Lucan
35:12what's that bit there
35:12then that's
35:13Lucan's nose
35:14that's Lucan's
35:15nose from
35:15your base
35:16looking at
35:16the nostrils
35:17the Holy Grail
35:19for me as it
35:20emerged in the
35:2190s was the
35:22Lucan story
35:23and I wanted
35:24to get into the
35:26river and go and
35:27find the gold
35:27nugget
35:28when you told me
35:29the story about
35:30the brown envelope
35:31oh I mean
35:31it set all my
35:32journalistic bells
35:33ringing it was like
35:34St Paul's Cathedral
35:35I was like wow
35:36I mean when you
35:37first meet people
35:38it's really difficult
35:39isn't it because
35:39you don't know
35:40how you're gonna
35:40how you're gonna
35:42get on
35:42I'll be very honest
35:43I hid a lot of
35:44stuff from you
35:44well I know that
35:45because I couldn't
35:46trust you
35:46I didn't know you
35:47I trusted you
35:48because I didn't
35:49have anywhere else
35:50to go really
35:51yeah he is a rock
35:53he's my rock actually
35:54don't tell him that
35:57but you know
36:00I need him
36:01don't I
36:01where are you
36:04you under there
36:06there we go
36:07I assess the
36:08evidence on this
36:09case slowly over
36:11the 90s and
36:11into the early 2000s
36:13how could someone
36:16just fall off the
36:17face of the earth
36:18you know
36:18disappear
36:19Lucan
36:24good boy
36:27sit
36:28every now and
36:32now sightings
36:33would pop up
36:33it started in
36:35France
36:35in Cherbourg
36:36the police inquiries
36:37have centered on
36:38the Grand Hotel
36:39close to Cherbourg
36:40Harbour
36:40he called to
36:41restaurant with a
36:43girl
36:43with a girl
36:45young girl
36:46French girl
36:47but you are
36:47satisfied that
36:48you serve the meal
36:49to his Lord
36:50Lucan
36:50yes yes
36:51and then there was
36:52a sighting over in
36:53Jersey
36:54a perfectly respectable
36:55Englishman with
36:57amazing resemblances
36:58to Lord Lucan
36:59anyone elegant
37:01with a moustache
37:02you'd find ten
37:03press photographers
37:04on your doorstep
37:05Lord Lucan's been
37:06sighted again
37:07I understand
37:07yes he has
37:08he was seen in a
37:09cafe somewhere
37:10in South Africa
37:11where was he
37:13god he's been
37:14everywhere
37:15he's been
37:15everywhere
37:16the press
37:18let it all go down
37:20find nothing
37:21whatsoever
37:21get drunk
37:23with skunks
37:24and come back
37:24to London
37:25absolutely pissed
37:26out of their brains
37:26which is a usual
37:27media reaction
37:29Seychelles
37:31I went to
37:31Seychelles
37:32twice
37:33Motari
37:36Kamati Port
37:37Canada
37:40it was the
37:42single case
37:43that I spent
37:44most time on
37:45sordid
37:48domestic murder
37:49people thought
37:51the aristocracy
37:51were above that
37:52absolutely captured
37:54the public's
37:55imagination
37:56suddenly the phone
37:57would ring
37:58and we'd get
37:58sightings
37:59South America
38:04the far east
38:05on a farm
38:06in Mexico
38:07he was seen
38:08crying into his
38:09prawns in Mozambique
38:11transport cafe
38:12on the M1
38:13a depressed
38:13butcher
38:14in Brisbane
38:16he was in
38:16Japan
38:17he was in
38:17the Philippines
38:18he was in
38:19Madagascar
38:20Trinidad
38:20a man who lived
38:21in a campervan
38:21in New Zealand
38:22we spoke to
38:23Roger's neighbour
38:24she saw this
38:25photo of Lord
38:25Lucan
38:26and is convinced
38:26he's living
38:27down the road
38:28I'm sure that
38:29was who he is
38:29because he's
38:30trying to make
38:30out that he's
38:31a very poor
38:31man
38:32poor man
38:32my foot
38:33he sleeps
38:34in a Land Rover
38:35and has a
38:35paired possum
38:36named Redfern
38:37are you Lord
38:38Lucan?
38:39no
38:39as time
38:44went on
38:45people had
38:45given up
38:46on it
38:46being a
38:47serious
38:48investigation
38:49to find
38:50a criminal
38:50on the run
38:51this
38:51we're told
38:52is Lord
38:53Lucan
38:53living the
38:54life of a
38:55hippie and
38:55goer
38:55under the
38:56name of
38:57Jungle Barry
38:57both sporting
38:59an aristocratic
39:00forehead
39:00left parting
39:01and distinctive
39:02eyebrows
39:03it was
39:04madness
39:04a horrific
39:07murder
39:08moves into
39:09a farce
39:10he was last
39:11seen running
39:11around on
39:12Shergar
39:12in the
39:12boring
39:13how do you
39:14investigate
39:14something like
39:15this
39:15you're watching
39:16Lord Lucan
39:16please
39:17you know
39:17give us a
39:18ring because
39:18Gary
39:18sometimes you
39:19need a
39:19lucky break
39:20my intuition
39:22is his son
39:23is that he
39:24died within
39:24about 12
39:25hours of
39:25of the
39:27event
39:27but
39:29and that
39:29raises a
39:29whole load
39:30of questions
39:30which I
39:31don't know
39:31where to
39:31go with
39:32a documentary
39:34had been
39:34on television
39:35Lucan's son
39:36was in it
39:37when that
39:38went out
39:39a woman
39:40called
39:40Marianne
39:40Robey
39:41was watching
39:41it at
39:42home
39:42George
39:43Bingham
39:44he just
39:45said
39:45I wish
39:46I knew
39:46what the
39:47truth was
39:47I suddenly
39:49thought
39:49well
39:49I remember
39:50sending you
39:51to Africa
39:51I know
39:52your dad
39:53was alive
39:54I could
39:54tell you
39:54some things
39:55so I
39:58set off
39:58trying to
39:59contact him
39:59which proved
40:00very difficult
40:01I tried
40:03a few
40:03journalists
40:04sent out
40:05three or
40:05four emails
40:06I was
40:07contacted
40:08by Glenn
40:09Campbell
40:09of the BBC
40:10he wanted
40:15to do
40:16an interview
40:16which I
40:17was very
40:17reluctant
40:18I honestly
40:19didn't feel
40:19that comfortable
40:20about saying
40:21too much
40:21she didn't
40:25want to be
40:26on camera
40:27so what was
40:28your job
40:2879 I
40:30answered and
40:30had and
40:31moved into
40:31Aspinall's
40:32Mr. Aspinall's
40:33secretary
40:34I was more
40:35a secretary
40:36for the casino
40:36Mr. Aspinall's
40:38Claremont club
40:39in one of the
40:39last private
40:40houses in
40:41Barclays Square
40:42this is the
40:43restaurant
40:43John Aspinall
40:45ran casinos
40:46he ran
40:52Howlett's Zoo
40:53these animals
40:54are not
40:54tame
40:55we're not
40:56the boss
40:56there's no doubt
40:58you can see
40:59and he was
41:01a very very
41:01good friend
41:02of Lord
41:02Lucan's
41:03had you heard
41:07of Lord
41:07Lucan
41:07and the whole
41:08mystery
41:09maybe something
41:09had come in
41:10the news
41:10in 74
41:11I mean
41:11I would
41:12have been
41:1219
41:13in 1979
41:17I was asked
41:18to be involved
41:21in arranging
41:22for Lord
41:22Lucan's
41:23children
41:24to go
41:25to visit
41:25him
41:25in Africa
41:26the bits
41:28I had to do
41:29was to arrange
41:31flights for them
41:32passports
41:33for them
41:34they had to
41:35have a second
41:35passport
41:36because
41:37otherwise
41:37it would be
41:38stamped
41:38and their
41:39mother Lady
41:40Lucan
41:40wasn't to
41:41know about
41:41this trip
41:42it was made
41:44clear to me
41:45that if she
41:45were to get
41:46in touch
41:46for any reason
41:47there was no
41:48mention to be
41:48made about
41:49them
41:49going off
41:51there was a
41:56court order
41:56that the
41:57children
41:57would be
41:58wards of
41:59court
41:59and that
42:00their guardian
42:01would be
42:01Lady
42:02Lucan's
42:03sister
42:03and her
42:04husband
42:04Bill
42:05Shankid
42:06Bill
42:08took them
42:09out of
42:09school
42:09a week
42:10early
42:10without
42:11Lady
42:12Lucan
42:13being
42:13aware
42:13what I
42:17had been
42:17told
42:17and what
42:18I
42:18believed
42:18was that
42:19they
42:19would
42:20believe
42:20that
42:20they
42:20were
42:20going
42:21to
42:21a
42:21safari
42:22at
42:23treetops
42:24in
42:24Kenya
42:24and that
42:26their
42:26father
42:26just wanted
42:27to see
42:28them
42:28from a
42:28distance
42:29not
42:30for them
42:31to be
42:31aware
42:32and
42:32therefore
42:32not for
42:33them
42:33to have
42:33to keep
42:34secrets
42:35do
42:35you
42:35think
42:35that
42:36was
42:36odd
42:36I
42:38thought
42:38it
42:38was
42:38a
42:38little
42:38odd
42:39at
42:39the
42:39time
42:39perhaps
42:40a
42:40bit
42:40elaborate
42:40but I
42:42didn't
42:42question
42:44it
42:44perhaps
42:45that's
42:45why
42:46he
42:46liked
42:46me
42:46there
42:46because
42:47I
42:47was
42:47quite
42:48silent
42:48somebody
42:51that
42:51worked
42:52for
42:52John
42:53Aspinall
42:53she
42:54was
42:54charged
42:54with
42:55booking
42:55flights
42:56for
42:56the
42:56children
42:56get
42:57them
42:57out
42:58to
42:58Africa
42:58so
42:59that
42:59Lucan
42:59could
43:00look
43:01at
43:01them
43:01but
43:02for
43:02them
43:02not
43:02to
43:03know
43:03that
43:03he
43:04at
43:04them
43:04I
43:05believe
43:06that
43:07as
43:07much
43:07as
43:07I
43:08believe
43:08that
43:09I'm
43:09the
43:09man
43:10who
43:10went
43:10to
43:10Santelina
43:11in
43:111821
43:12and
43:12assassinated
43:13Napoleon
43:14bullshit
43:14two
43:16trips
43:16I
43:16specifically
43:17arranged
43:17between
43:18you
43:18you meet
43:19this lady
43:20and when I
43:20met this
43:20lady
43:21I
43:21believed
43:21her
43:22she's
43:23she's
43:23easily
43:23not
43:25believed
43:25but
43:26she's
43:27very
43:27believable
43:28when you
43:28meet
43:28her
43:28credible
43:29I
43:30was
43:30in
43:30on
43:30the
43:31conversations
43:31when
43:32John
43:33Aspinall
43:33and
43:34Sir
43:34James
43:34Goldsmith
43:35were
43:35talking
43:35about
43:36the fact
43:37that
43:37Lord
43:38Lucan
43:38had
43:39requested
43:39to see
43:40the
43:40children
43:40Sir
43:41James
43:41Goldsmith
43:42said
43:42absolutely
43:42not
43:43this
43:43won't
43:44work
43:44he
43:44can't
43:45you know
43:45he can't
43:45see them
43:46he's going to have to wait
43:47Mr. Aspinall said
43:48he won't wait
43:49if he doesn't see the children
43:52soon he's just going to come back
43:53and risk everything
43:54Lord
43:58Lord
43:58Lucan
43:58I remember him calling
44:00it was a Friday afternoon
44:02and Mr. Aspinall had already gone down to Howlet's
44:04the call came in
44:07I've been asked to let you know that everything's been put in place
44:10and he'll be in touch
44:11how did he sound
44:13very well spoken
44:14what we would call posh I guess
44:17do you think he's alive or dead
44:20I have a feeling he might be alive
44:22well he knew from the start anyway that he was in Africa
44:27he had arranged for him to go to Africa
44:29as always I can't find
44:36here you go
44:39then I found out that Scotland Yard had drawn up their own intelligence report
44:47recent developments have included alleged sightings of Lucan in southern Africa
44:51Britain in 2002
44:53it drew together incredible intelligence that Lucan had got away to Africa
44:58and I got hold of it
45:00did you share it with Neil?
45:02I did
45:02I did share it with Neil
45:04it's unbelievable
45:08it blew away all the established bullshit
45:14they're sort of talking about what they might want to do next
45:19covert operations for example
45:21there's police officers that wanted to carry on with this investigation
45:25it was shut down for whatever reason
45:27but it's here
45:30it's all here
45:31and it gave a name
45:35Lord Lucan had taken the name John Crawford
45:38and then something happened that we couldn't have predicted
45:43George was seven when Sandra was killed
45:48exactly the same age as me
45:50he wanted to draw a line under everything
45:54and I could understand that
45:56George wanted his father declared dead
46:03he put a tiny little advert in the West End Extra
46:09application for the granting of a presumption of death certificate
46:14he rejected my report that said that him and his sister were flown out to Africa
46:21so his father could watch him from afar
46:23I'd guess he had access to a boat
46:25and he went a little way out into the English Channel
46:27and sank it with himself on it
46:29it was about inheritance
46:32George would become the 8th Earl of Lucan
46:37for Neil it would mean Lord Lucan was dead
46:39I didn't think he was dead
46:41I didn't want him declared dead
46:43I was one of the few people that could contest presumption of death
46:49because I'm a member of the victim's family
46:51I applied to the High Court to intervene
46:55the court date was set
46:58and I had the intelligence report
47:03that was leaked to Glenn
47:05that would blow the whole case apart
47:07we sat in the High Court
47:15the judge said to me
47:18Mr. Perryman have you got anything you'd like to say
47:20and I said yes
47:23Your Honour I believe that Lord Lucan was alive in 2004
47:27and George Bingham's face
47:30because he was sitting next to me
47:31went like stone
47:34and she said to me
47:38where have you got this information from
47:39and I said it's a confidential police report
47:42right
47:44and everything went silent
47:46and do you have it
47:49and I said no
47:51Neil could not show that intelligence report
47:57the person who had given it to me
48:00was a serving Scotland Yard officer
48:02and he or she would have lost their jobs
48:04their pensions
48:05there was a cost here
48:06I did think to myself
48:11I'm never going to get another chance like this am I
48:14there you go
48:16can you imagine
48:16can you imagine what the impact that would have been
48:20everywhere
48:21the court this morning declared Richard John Bingham my father
48:25known to most people as Lord Lucan
48:28as to be dead for all legal purposes
48:31it was like having a rug pulled from under your feet
48:34I want to take this time to applaud the efforts of Mr. Neil Berryman
48:37to secure justice for his mother
48:40our beloved family nanny
48:41nonetheless I'm very pleased with the result that we achieved today
48:45I would all you know be very grateful if we all moved on
48:47and find another Loch Ness monster
48:49well he got what he wanted
48:51he will refer to you as Lord Lucan
48:54I would now be the eighth heard of Lucan or referred to as Lord Lucan
48:56so of course having him declared dead
49:02almost gives the police an excuse to think
49:04that we can push that away now
49:05there's no further to go on this
49:08we don't need to do any more work
49:09I'm the son of Sandra Rivett
49:11I'm a builder and by no means used to these matters
49:15but my intrigue moves me forward
49:17I know that the convenient drowning of Lord Lucan
49:21is not true
49:22Neil what do you think happened to Lord Lucan?
49:24um...
49:26he escaped
49:27thank you
49:28Neil, Neil, Neil, Neil, Neil
49:29this was a dark hour
49:36but you can't stop something that you're too involved in
49:41especially if you've got a belief
49:44it's not like a tap you can turn off
49:48I am convinced that he got away
49:58and that he survived for a while
50:03somewhere
50:04Lord Lucan
50:07I'm sorry
50:09but obviously I cannot divulge my whereabouts at this time
50:12that would be quite over the question
50:14I definitely knew in 2000
50:21that he was still alive
50:23I was pretty sure in 2005
50:26is he lying still undiscovered
50:28somewhere here in the New Haven area?
50:32your adoptive mother set you a bit of a challenge really
50:36didn't she?
50:37yeah, she did give me a puzzle
50:38but I wonder whether she thought that I'd actually put the last piece in
50:43you
51:01yeah
51:04yeah
51:07yeah
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