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Stranger Things 5 | Stranger Scenes: Karen vs Demogorgon | Netflix
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STAY. AWAY. FROM. HER. DAUGHTER. Go behind the scenes to see how this epic Karen Wheeler moment came to life.
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What would Karen do if she encounters a Demogorgon?
00:10
Stay away from my daughter.
00:16
I don't think there was a take where I didn't go full out on it.
00:21
It was kind of incredible to be part of such a pivotal scene.
00:30
It was our dream to do a supernatural home invasion sequence essentially.
00:49
The fact that the Wheeler house has been safe from all of this I think makes it that much
00:53
more horrifying that it is breached.
01:02
This was one of the most complicated sequences in season five but took a lot of planning.
01:08
The whole sequence was storyboarded and pre-vis because it involved a lot of work from every
01:13
single department.
01:14
We had the Wheeler house on stage.
01:16
It's like one of the few standing sets for Stranger Things that's been up since season
01:22
one in various forms.
01:24
We needed to use cranes and so we had to use three walls that were removable and we had
01:29
to choose which wall needed to go away.
01:32
We needed to create that red rift light coming down into her room and also give room for her
01:37
to get yanked up.
01:39
We wanted as much as possible for those stunts to be performed by the actors.
01:43
Kara was game.
01:45
Nell was a total badass.
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I had like this massive harness on.
01:50
I was walking like a complete penguin.
01:53
She was in wires and in a harness a lot this season and she was such a rock star.
01:59
Just game for all of it.
02:00
There's a demogorgon that's got a hold of her and there's not a demogorgon there so we
02:04
have to create that look so there was even a line on her leg to look like she was being
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pulled.
02:10
Stop!
02:11
One of the difficulties for me was remembering that I had to keep that leg straight because
02:16
obviously that's where all my weight is being pulled from.
02:20
The stunt team were really amazing and they helped me figure it all out so that I could focus
02:25
on the performance.
02:26
Stop!
02:27
Stop!
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Stop!
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Stop!
02:30
Stop!
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Stop!
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Stop!
02:33
What the heck?
02:34
It's the proximity of evil and stranger things that motivates the flickering lights.
02:40
Everything gets run through a board where we have a remote operator who's taking cues
02:46
and is able to control remotely every single light on set.
02:49
Typically when just a single light flickers we might have something like this.
02:54
This is what we actually called the Holly flicker which was in Holly's room.
02:57
This here is the lighting plot for this stage.
03:00
We've got 40 to 50 in just her room and over the whole stage is about 600.
03:05
The bottom of the tub was cut off and attached to the bottom of the tank so that two people
03:24
could fit in it.
03:25
We tested it out to make sure that we liked the lens and that we could line it up.
03:29
We also needed to basically sync up the cadence.
03:32
The top edge of the tub is actually the cut line.
03:35
Both dolly grips for that shot had to work in unison essentially to match the other's timing
03:41
so that there was no speed change.
03:43
When we dunked this I made sure that Kara's nightgown wasn't too see-through so it's double
03:48
layered because I didn't want it to be too clingy especially if you're going to see any
03:52
stunt pads or protection underneath.
03:53
With Nell luckily it's street clothes that can be wet and stay wet.
03:59
Karen is wearing a wig that has been bleached blonde and that has been permed.
04:03
Some of the coolest shots were where it was kind of like moving and crossing and covering.
04:07
Lots of rehearsal time with them prior to and being able to go under the water and hold
04:13
their breath.
04:14
We had to put weight belts on them so that they would stay on the bottom and not float up.
04:19
You would squeeze my hand or I would squeeze your hand which signaled, you know, 3, 2,
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1, up.
04:29
We could have held our breath longer.
04:30
We, I think we ended up having little competitions.
04:34
Yeah.
04:35
I was like just waiting for Kara to squeeze my hand, I was like I could stay here all day.
04:40
We needed to know exactly where the Demogorgon was at every single moment so the actors and
04:50
everyone working on it understood where it was.
04:53
Chief!
04:54
Oh yeah.
04:55
We have a fantastic Demogorgon stand in named JD.
04:59
We're not doing motion capture, any kind of performance capture with him.
05:02
He is there so that the other actors and crew can see the Demogorgon is going to be there,
05:07
they're going to be this big and this is what they're going to be doing.
05:10
We definitely go through rehearsals first.
05:12
We have Ted swinging the golf club trying to find out exactly where he should hit the
05:17
kickpad.
05:18
If you see that orange X on the kickpad right there, that's actually the eyeline for Ted.
05:22
The bros wanted the POV of the Demogorgon so we had to build roads and platforms in
05:28
order to get the steady cam at that height.
05:31
We also use a Demogorgon head that the VFX team has made to see how it kind of behaves with
05:36
whatever lighting is set up for the scene.
05:41
Once I slashed Ted, we get the stunt double in there and he just goes tearing through the
05:47
wall.
05:48
Oh my gosh, look at that.
05:57
Wow.
05:58
It was a little bit of a challenge because we knew this destruction was going to happen
06:04
so we had to find some doubles of various things.
06:07
So I had to find two of the same armoire.
06:09
We had to make doubles of all the drapes and stuff.
06:11
We had a Demogorgon claw that matches the nail handprint of a Demogorgon.
06:17
So we just used that to drag along the walls.
06:19
When we were shooting the scene, I came up and I saw the total and complete destruction
06:23
of Nancy's room and our room and the set.
06:27
And I was very affected by seeing it.
06:30
It brought back that memory of when the Duffer said, come see your house.
06:33
We just finished building the Wheeler house and this is your kitchen and this is everything.
06:37
Flash forward to now, this is the end of the house.
06:39
Literally, not just saying, we're done shooting here.
06:41
It was destroyed.
06:43
This was a Texas switch.
06:54
So Kara and Nell were starting the scene up on top of the stairs running down.
06:59
Kara would duck out to the wall and the stunt double came running in and took the fall.
07:03
Alice Ford, who doubled Kara, was a great match for her.
07:08
She knocked this one out of the park.
07:09
Oh!
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Oh!
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Oh!
07:12
Oh!
07:13
Holly, get back!
07:14
Oh!
07:15
Oh!
07:16
Oh!
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Oh!
07:18
Oh!
07:19
What would she do if she encounters a Demogorgon?
07:21
Karen shares so many qualities with Nancy.
07:25
That sort of ferocity, that strength, that courage, that bravery is such a part of who
07:30
Nancy is also exists within Karen.
07:33
Ah!
07:34
Because they're struggling as a family to deal with what's happening with Holly.
07:37
You're ridiculous.
07:38
You don't even know how old she is.
07:39
I'm not talking to you when you're late.
07:41
We wanted to see Karen slightly intoxicated and the idea that then, you know, she would then
07:48
use this wine bottle as a weapon was a fun idea.
07:51
We worked really closely with Hedo to come up with what the Demogorgon would be doing
07:56
and how Karen could interact with him.
07:59
We wanted to really make sure it felt like they're both in that room together.
08:03
We did some with just JD sitting there holding his hand, but she needed something to impact.
08:09
We wanted to get in there with, like, a really tight eye line.
08:13
We used a piece of foam so that she could really lay into it.
08:18
Kara ended up swinging that wine bottle for almost an hour.
08:22
I don't think there was a take where I didn't go full out on it.
08:25
Mom, no!
08:27
No!
08:28
Stay away from my daughter!
08:32
The scream I did after breaking the bottle, this primal sound came out.
08:52
Whether she even knows what the heck is going on.
08:57
There's a monster in her kitchen and she's going to fight to save her daughter.
09:02
No!
09:03
I don't think that they were anticipating the ferocity.
09:07
Kara was actually saying, I want you to really hit me.
09:24
I want you to hit me hard.
09:25
I was looking at Hedo like, should I do this?
09:28
And Kara's like, yeah, just hit me.
09:29
So, you know, I go for it and I'm being a little careful.
09:33
And she's like, no, no, harder.
09:34
I want to feel it.
09:35
So I'm like, oh, really?
09:36
Okay.
09:37
So I go a little harder and she's not wearing any pads or anything.
09:43
When it comes to the Demogorgon wounds, the Duffers did not want them clean slices.
09:54
They wanted them to be very jagged and edged.
09:56
Her entire process was under two hours to get her in her deconstructed beauty makeup look,
10:03
as well as her wig and her prosthetics on her chest.
10:06
Once you start putting blood on a wound, it tends to travel everywhere.
10:10
It's like constantly pit crewing, making sure that it all looks the same throughout the
10:15
entire day of shooting.
10:17
The brutality of what occurs to Karen, we're hoping that it stuns audiences.
10:24
I just love that they brought Karen into the story of what's going on in Hawkins and that
10:38
she gets to really participate.
10:41
It was truly one of my favorite scenes to film ever with you.
10:46
This was kind of the start of my journey on Stranger Things.
10:52
It was kind of incredible to be part of such a pivotal scene.
10:56
We always loved the juxtaposition between the ordinary and the extraordinary.
11:02
That really has defined the show for so long, and this is sort of the ultimate example of
11:07
those two things colliding.
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And I think it shows right away in the season that no one is safe, no place is safe, none
11:13
of our characters are safe, even the ones that over the years have been shielded from
11:18
these horrors.
11:19
No more.
11:20
Maybe four broken ribs?
11:21
Stand by Danny B.
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