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📺 S01 E04 – Original Gangsters with Sean Bean (Billy Hill and the Krays) 📺
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01:06The Kraytwin's exploits are the stuff of legend.
01:11They're the archetype of the London gangster.
01:14And it seems like almost everybody has a story about them.
01:18But while Reggie and Ronnie might be the most famous,
01:21they weren't the first.
01:22There was a criminal far more successful that showed them how it was done.
01:28And that man's name was Billy Hill.
01:31I need to meet you
01:32Hope you'll guess my name
01:35Oh yeah
01:37But what's confusing you
01:40Is just the nature of my game
01:44We've been creating myths around villains for centuries.
02:01Because those of us who live in a non-criminal environment
02:04Often secretly fantasize about what it will be like to be a gangster.
02:09What would it be like to rob a bank.
02:11It gives us a buzz.
02:13But it also gives us a buzz when they get caught.
02:15But in reality, they don't actually all get caught.
02:28Successful criminals, nobody knows who they are.
02:31The afters has come out about how big the money was he earned.
02:36He was the ultimate governor out of all of them.
02:40And even the Krays said it themselves.
02:42I always wanted to be like Billy Hill.
02:43Oh, I wanted to emulate Billy Hill.
02:46Billy Hill basically was a functioning psychopath.
02:51He was able to extort, bribe, coerce people to do his bidding.
02:59And hurt and killed a lot of people along the way.
03:04A psychopath who carved up London with violence and fear.
03:09Who would become the capital's criminal kingpin.
03:13Born William Charles Hill on the 13th of December, 1911.
03:20His story starts in the Seven Dials area of London's West End.
03:28Then a slum with incredibly poor living conditions.
03:33Seven Dials was known as Thieves' Kitchen for very good reason.
03:36You couldn't turn a corner without someone either threatening you or trying to rob you.
03:41His father was a thief and his mother was a fence.
03:45He had a sister who was a member of the Elephant Gang who were the top shoplifters at the time.
03:51I guess you'd call them a criminal family.
03:53They had to be to survive.
03:56There were always visitors to the house who were involved in crime.
03:59So criminal activity was normal to him.
04:03You have a choice as to whether you get stuck in and engage with it.
04:07Or you try and be something really, really different.
04:10And that's a bigger challenge in many ways.
04:12To pull yourself out and be different to the norm that's been created.
04:17Very early on, Billy found he had a certain penchant for burglary.
04:24He became a very competent thief.
04:27I think he found his craft.
04:30I think, like you or I might enjoy our jobs,
04:33he found something that he knew he was good at.
04:35And for him, it was a very rational choice to do what he did.
04:39He was bold to be a criminal and he very quickly got good at it.
04:47There's rumours Billy committed his first stabbing at age 14.
04:52Official records show that at 60,
04:55he was convicted of burglary and sent to Bostle on a three-year sentence.
05:03Those same records describe an escape Billy made with another inmate,
05:10during which they assaulted a housemaid.
05:13They were caught and he was brutally punished for it
05:18by being given 12 strokes of the birch.
05:30In later life, he described the impact of that incident,
05:36saying,
05:36the birch tears you to pieces.
05:41But once you've had it,
05:43you feel you've really overcome something.
05:46You're tougher.
05:49And from then on,
05:50I knew that nothing on God's earth could stop me.
05:54He started to make connections in Bostle with other up-and-coming young criminals.
06:05And he applied this networking ability
06:07to his career as a criminal when he came out of Bostle as well.
06:11And Billy quite quickly,
06:13by the time he was in his late teens,
06:14became the leader of this network,
06:17the main player in this network.
06:19Really, more than anything to me,
06:20he's a storyteller.
06:21He was able to create stories in the areas that he lived
06:25that created a rumour,
06:26that created myth,
06:28that created fear.
06:30He was aware of image.
06:32He would use a knife
06:33and he would carve a V on people's faces.
06:36That was his trademark.
06:38The word went out that this was what this young man was willing to do.
06:43He becomes known for smashing grabs.
06:45His gang committed so many
06:48that the newspapers started calling it a crime wave.
06:53But a far bigger event
06:55would soon steal the headlines.
06:57By the time World War II comes around,
07:09Billy Hill has established himself as being a competent thief.
07:14There were shortages of everything.
07:16Clothing, building materials, food, cloth.
07:20And anything that you could steal,
07:22there was a market for.
07:23For criminals like Billy Hill,
07:26this was an opportunity.
07:29Huge fortunes could be made by providing people
07:32with what they couldn't get
07:34from their ration books.
07:36In a place like Seven Dials,
07:38and most of London for that matter,
07:40there'd always been a black market.
07:43But when the Second World War came,
07:44it exploded.
07:45A criminal like Billy Hill
07:47could go and buy 700 boxes of cigarettes,
07:51or often they'd be stolen,
07:53and then he could sell them immediately
07:55on a street corner.
07:56Everything had a price,
07:58and most things were worth much more
08:00than they were during peacetime.
08:03Billy's rights to prominence
08:04would put him on the radar
08:05of every major player in the game.
08:08And there was one London gangster in particular
08:10who had him in his sights.
08:12Jack Comer,
08:16a.k.a. Jack Spot.
08:19He was running scams at rice courses.
08:23He had gambling clubs.
08:24He was into protection.
08:26By the end of the Second World War,
08:29Spot had a bit of a foothold,
08:31but not as much as he wanted.
08:33And at that point,
08:34he gets together with Billy Hill.
08:36The one place that it all came together?
08:40Soho.
08:41Well, it's Saturday night
08:42and I just got paid
08:44Pulled up out my money
08:45Don't try to save
08:46The West End of London
08:48was the great honeypot.
08:49Now I'm feeling fine
08:51I'm on a rock it up
08:52I'm on a rip it up
08:55There were young men
08:56from all over the free world
08:58coming into London
08:59in preparation for D-Day,
09:01and they had money to spend.
09:03They were spending money on drink,
09:05they were spending their money on food,
09:07they were spending their money on sex.
09:08So it was a boom time for Soho.
09:12The relationship between Billy Hill
09:14and Jack Spot
09:15was very important to both of them.
09:18They even went on holidays
09:19with their wives
09:20to the south of France.
09:23They came together
09:24as quite a formidable group.
09:25And for tonight
09:27Billy's looking for an opportunity
09:31to actually be involved in crime
09:33without actually doing it himself
09:35and putting himself
09:35at risk of imprisonment.
09:38By 1948,
09:40Hill had spent almost half
09:42of his 37 years in prison.
09:45The Criminal Justice Act
09:46threatened repeat offenders
09:48with preventative detention.
09:50So his next arrest
09:52would have meant
09:53a 14-year stretch.
09:54He'd been in and out of prison
09:57quite a number of times
09:58since his early teens
10:00and he wasn't going to do it anymore.
10:03As Billy would say himself,
10:05I made my mind up
10:06that I had seen the last
10:08of the inside of the nick.
10:10And I meant it.
10:11But at the same time,
10:13he was quietly putting
10:15the finishing touches
10:16to one of the biggest heists
10:18in British criminal history.
10:24In the early hours
10:31of May the 21st, 1952,
10:34one of the biggest
10:35unsolved crimes in Europe
10:36would take place
10:38near Oxford Street.
10:39The East Castle Street robbery.
10:44Billy Hill was quite creative
10:47and he invented genres of crimes
10:49like the post office van robbery.
10:54Someone would get away
11:02with over £236,000,
11:05worth over £7.3 million today.
11:09No-one was ever arrested,
11:11no-one was convicted
11:12and none of the money
11:13was returned.
11:1573 years later,
11:18after numerous investigations,
11:21the crime remains unsolved.
11:23His girlfriend at the time,
11:27Jip,
11:27was one of the get-away drivers
11:29who had a very straightforward,
11:32down-to-earth manature.
11:33She understood Billy Hill
11:35and I think she kept him intact.
11:41I'm Justin Hill,
11:42the biological son of Billy Hill.
11:45I first met Billy and Jip
11:48in a children's home.
11:50They used to come and visit me.
11:51I opened the door
11:52and Jip was there
11:55and Billy behind
11:56and she knelt and opened up her arms
11:59and I run into him.
12:03Around about three and a half,
12:06Billy and Jip got full care and control.
12:09That's when I could fill a family unit.
12:13She was Billy's ace card.
12:19There's a story of Billy and Jip
12:21at New Scotland Yard
12:23being interrogated for three days,
12:26three nights
12:27and by the end,
12:29the police said,
12:30let them go,
12:30especially her.
12:31Even if she had Big Ben in her pocket,
12:33she wouldn't tell you the time.
12:35But while Billy and Jip
12:36were busy being the West End's power couple,
12:39two sharply dressed twin brothers
12:40were stepping onto the scene
12:42who would change the city forever.
12:49This lovely little lady
12:51came and opened the door,
12:52you know, like your mum.
12:54She said,
12:54well, you must be Maureen.
12:56Come in.
12:57Would you like a cup of tea?
12:58Yes, please.
12:59I've made a lovely cake.
13:01Anyway, I sat down
13:02and while she was making the tea,
13:04I've looked up
13:05and all around this kitchen
13:07was hangers
13:08with pure white starched iron shirts.
13:14She did it for my sons.
13:18I drank my tea
13:20and I ate my lovely cake
13:21when I heard a door go
13:23and I heard,
13:25Mum!
13:25And she went,
13:28oh, that's Reggie.
13:33In came this guy,
13:35quite serious,
13:37startled to see me.
13:39I was a stranger.
13:41And he went,
13:41oh, who are you?
13:43I said,
13:44well,
13:44I'm the hairdresser.
13:46And she said,
13:46where's Ronnie?
13:47The door goes,
13:48click,
13:49Mum!
13:49I looked at him,
13:52I thought,
13:53if I wasn't here
13:55with their mother
13:56and I met him out,
13:59I'd be frightened.
14:01I'd be frightened
14:02of the look
14:03he gave me
14:04to find me there.
14:07Those eyes were terrifying
14:09and I've never met anybody
14:11that could intimidate you
14:13with just that one look.
14:18We're still talking about
14:19the Krays today
14:19because
14:20they were
14:22in the eyes
14:23of the public
14:25an interesting,
14:26exciting gang
14:27to look at.
14:29If you was in their presence,
14:31you didn't know
14:31you was in the presence
14:32of killers.
14:34You know,
14:34I have to tell you,
14:35the word on the street
14:36amongst other people
14:37is they killed
14:38many more people
14:39than, you know,
14:40than what is out there.
14:42The Kray twins
14:43would have heard
14:44of the East Castle
14:44street robbery
14:45and how it made fortunes
14:47for those involved.
14:49Nobody took them
14:50very seriously
14:50back then.
14:51They started to get
14:52a reputation
14:53for being hard nuts.
14:54Not a lot of people
14:55know that they were
14:56both professional boxers
14:57from a young age
14:58and they were at a boxing ring
15:02called Repton.
15:06Reggie showed real promise.
15:08He never lost a fight
15:09as a professional boxer.
15:11The problem, though,
15:12was that Ronnie
15:13was often getting
15:14into fights
15:15outside of the boxing ring.
15:17The first thing I say to him
15:21is, you, respect me
15:23and respect my trainers.
15:25If you feel you can't do that,
15:27don't come to my club.
15:28Reggie could have gone
15:29on and won titles.
15:31I think the destruction
15:31from his brother
15:32really took that away from him.
15:34Once he put guns
15:35in their hands,
15:35that was it.
15:37They were away then,
15:38you know,
15:39that's how they were.
15:40Identical twins
15:42are not always close,
15:44but with Ronnie and Reggie
15:45we do see
15:46a very intense
15:47and close relationship.
15:49It appears that
15:50they don't really
15:50see themselves as separate,
15:52that they see themselves
15:53as one entity.
15:54They're kind of functioning together,
15:55doing the same thing.
15:56And if one veers off,
15:58the other one tends to follow.
16:00As East Londoners,
16:02they would have known
16:03the name Billy Hill.
16:05Everyone did.
16:07To the crates,
16:08Billy Hill was someone
16:09to look up to.
16:10Well dressed,
16:12very smart,
16:14lived a rather glossy lifestyle.
16:17They wanted to be like Billy Hill,
16:18but everybody wanted
16:19to be like Billy Hill.
16:21You have to look at the East End
16:22where there's so much poverty,
16:24where people are not
16:25getting a lot of opportunities
16:27to see other role models.
16:30This is what I aspire to.
16:31This is the way out.
16:37Following the success
16:38of the East Castle Street robbery,
16:40Billy Hill thought
16:41it was really too easy.
16:43Two years later, 1954,
16:45he organises a robbery
16:47of a KLM van
16:49with gold bullion in it,
16:50which was over £40,000
16:52in those days.
16:53So it was a lot of money.
16:55No one was ever convicted.
16:58None of the gold
16:58was ever returned.
17:00So again,
17:00this is an example
17:01of someone
17:02who clearly
17:03has got
17:04criminal intelligence.
17:06Bobby McHugh
17:07was important
17:08to Billy Hill.
17:09He was a friend
17:10and Billy Hill's driver
17:11as well.
17:12100 years old
17:13now, Bobby.
17:14A friend of mine
17:15was owed some money
17:16by a woman
17:18who had a club
17:19just off Biccadilly,
17:20a drinking club.
17:21He asked me to say,
17:22would I go
17:23and tell her to pay him?
17:25Billy says,
17:26I'll come with you.
17:27There was a hush.
17:29Obviously,
17:30you who Billy was.
17:31And suddenly,
17:32her dog came over
17:33and Billy goes,
17:34get out of the way.
17:35Get the dog.
17:37He said,
17:37make sure you pay
17:38that money.
17:39You know who I am.
17:40And when he went out,
17:41he picked the dog up
17:42and said,
17:42I didn't mean it.
17:43I didn't mean it.
17:45That was Billy.
17:47One day,
17:48we were sitting
17:50playing Snap
17:51and I declared
17:54that I won.
17:56So Billy turned around
17:57and said,
17:57no, I've won.
17:59So me being
18:00a snotty-nosed kid
18:01got up
18:02and kicked him
18:03in the shins.
18:05Well,
18:05I have never seen
18:07a face turn
18:08so quick.
18:09I turned,
18:10I run,
18:12I got halfway
18:13up the stairs
18:14and all of a sudden
18:15I felt his hand
18:16on top of my head
18:17and he shook my head
18:19from side to side.
18:21Next I knew
18:22was Jip
18:23getting in the middle
18:25and he switched
18:28like that
18:29back to normal.
18:31So we see someone
18:32who lies,
18:34they are manipulative,
18:35they are cunning.
18:36That's the Machiavellianism.
18:38He's glib,
18:39he's charming,
18:40he's superficial,
18:41he's grandiose.
18:42He's able to lure
18:43people to him
18:44to get them
18:45to do his bidding.
18:46That's the psychopathy.
18:48The narcissism,
18:50he's controlling
18:50the story.
18:51Everything he says
18:53is a story.
18:54It's what he wants
18:55you to see of him
18:57so that he can
18:58control the narrative.
19:00Billy Hill by this time
19:02had become very friendly
19:03with a journalist
19:04called Duncan Webb
19:05and Duncan Webb
19:06was a top journalist
19:07for the Sunday people.
19:10Sunday newspapers
19:11in those days
19:12had a huge circulation.
19:14Over 4 million people
19:15bought the Sunday people.
19:16not only did Duncan Webb
19:18become his
19:19public relations man
19:20but he also provided
19:22alibis for Billy Hill
19:24so he could avoid
19:25being arrested
19:26and used him
19:27unashamedly
19:29as a public relations
19:30machine almost
19:31for him
19:32as a criminal.
19:33There was a series
19:34of articles
19:35written by Duncan Webb
19:37in collaboration
19:38with Billy Hill
19:39about Billy
19:41about what
19:42criminal mastermind
19:43he was
19:43and that was then
19:44turned into a book
19:45Boss of Britain's Underworld
19:47Ghost Written
19:48by Duncan Webb.
19:49This was the first ever
19:52professional criminal
19:53doing an autobiography
19:55so it's a pretty
19:56important moment
19:57when you look at
19:58all the true crime books
19:59that have been produced
20:00since many of them
20:01written by criminals
20:02or through ghost writers
20:03and this book
20:05not only got published
20:06but Billy Hill
20:07had a massive
20:08launch party
20:09for his autobiography
20:10he had lords there
20:12he had celebrities
20:13like Diana Dawes
20:15this was like
20:16almost society
20:17approving of Billy Hill
20:19and they were all
20:20quite fascinated
20:21because he didn't
20:22come marching in
20:23with a gun
20:24or punch someone
20:24in the face
20:25he was good
20:26at having a chat
20:27he could relate
20:28to anybody
20:29a lot of people
20:30thought he looked
20:31like Humphrey Bogart
20:32he was good at PR
20:34he was carefully
20:35photographed
20:36wearing a trench coat
20:37and a trilby hat
20:38he was everybody's idea
20:39of what a gangster
20:40should look like
20:41all of it
20:42is a play
20:43into his world
20:45he's someone
20:46that has
20:48been very
20:49very clever
20:49at constructing
20:50a narrative
20:52that he wants
20:52other people
20:53to believe
20:55of him
20:55but in the criminal world
21:00notoriety
21:01came at the cost
21:02fame
21:03made Billy a marked man
21:04and it would nearly
21:06prove fatal
21:06Jack Spot
21:10was very jealous
21:10of Billy Hill
21:11he broke
21:12Duncan Webb's arm
21:13in a fit of temper
21:14and he got his own
21:16ghostwriter
21:16a book came out
21:18full of hype
21:19Jack Spot
21:20a man of a thousand cuts
21:22the festering
21:24grievance
21:25between Hill
21:27and Spot
21:28who had one time
21:29been very close
21:29was now quite out
21:31in the open
21:31and something
21:33was going to give
21:34Spot hired
21:38a group of young men
21:39provided them with guns
21:41and they were going
21:42to shoot
21:43Billy Hill
21:43the word got out
21:45that this is what
21:46was going to happen
21:46these young men
21:48were captured
21:49the guns were taken
21:51from them
21:52Billy Hill
21:53decided Spot
21:54would be attacked
21:55but not killed
21:57Billy Hill
21:58was very keen
21:59on not killing him
22:01got to remember
22:02this time
22:02that capital punishment
22:04was still there
22:04if you killed someone
22:05you were going
22:06to get hung
22:07one night
22:09Jack Spot
22:09and his wife
22:10Rita
22:10were attacked
22:11it was Frank Fraser
22:13that did it
22:14Fraser
22:15used the shillelagh
22:16a traditional
22:18Irish implement
22:19and this particular
22:21shillelagh
22:21had been given
22:22to Billy Hill
22:24by Jack Spot
22:25when they were on
22:26much friendlier terms
22:27so it was a highly
22:28symbolic weapon
22:29for Fraser to use
22:31and when Spot
22:32was on the ground
22:33Fraser then took
22:34out his razor
22:35and slashed his face
22:37many times
22:38my name is
22:40Jack Spot
22:41they cut my ear
22:44you see
22:45on the floor
22:46which I picked up
22:47later and put
22:48in my pocket
22:48they cut me
22:50from ear
22:50down ear
22:51stared me
22:54Billy Hill
22:55he destroyed me
22:57what a bastard
22:59a psychopath
23:01will feel nothing
23:02about removing you
23:04out of the equation
23:05you were standing
23:06in their way
23:07of having their
23:07needs met
23:08it's about domination
23:09it's about control
23:10it's about taking over
23:12you know
23:12and when you're
23:12on that kind of train
23:13of course there's
23:14no way back anyway
23:15so you really have
23:16to push forward
23:17and anyone who
23:18stands in your way
23:19they are surplus
23:20to requirements
23:21Jack Spot was out
23:24and the Krays
23:24were moving in
23:25except this time
23:27Billy didn't see
23:28an enemy
23:29he saw an opportunity
23:30as he embarked on
23:32one of the greatest
23:33cons ever pulled
23:34in British history
23:35the Kray twins
23:43were called up
23:44as all the other
23:4518 year olds were
23:46to serve national service
23:47and they didn't last long
23:50but it was an important
23:51time for the Krays
23:52because it's then
23:53that they established
23:54their anti-authoritarian
23:55lifestyle
23:56and they came into contact
23:58with deserters
23:59they came into contact
24:00with black marketeers
24:01they came into contact
24:02with some heavy duty
24:02gangsters
24:03and Billy Hill
24:05was part of that world
24:05when the Kray twins
24:07met him
24:08they immediately
24:09idolised him
24:11Billy Hill's initial
24:12response was really
24:13can I use these guys
24:14because that's what
24:15gangsters do
24:16he tested them out
24:17by phoning them
24:19late one night
24:20and saying
24:20I need you to come
24:22to my home
24:22now
24:23Krays got some guns
24:26together
24:26they went to his home
24:27and said
24:28where's the trouble
24:28nothing lads
24:30I was just testing you
24:31and he gave them
24:32500 pounds
24:33what Billy Hill
24:35did that day
24:36set the Krays
24:37off in motion
24:38and was probably
24:40the moment
24:41where they decided
24:42they wanted to go
24:43up the ladder
24:43Billy Hill
24:46saw a lot of
24:46potential in them
24:47and knew
24:48that they were
24:49the next
24:50follow-on thing
24:51the Krays
24:53started their own
24:54clubs
24:54they had the
24:54billiard hall
24:55first of all
24:55but it was from
24:56the billiard hall
24:57that they were
24:57able to start
24:58getting involved
24:58in bits and pieces
24:59of protection
25:00during the 50s
25:02protection rackets
25:03became a very big
25:05source of income
25:06for criminals
25:06were worried
25:07your shop might
25:08get burnt to the
25:09ground by a thug
25:10but if you pay us
25:11we'll make sure
25:11those thugs don't
25:12well of course
25:13the thug was the
25:14one who would do
25:15the burning
25:15they managed to
25:17acquire the
25:17double R club
25:18that was really
25:19the beginning of
25:20when they started
25:20to infiltrate
25:21into the club life
25:22Reg always wanted
25:24to be a club owner
25:24a bit slightly
25:26criminal club owner
25:27but nonetheless
25:28a club owner
25:29it was their first
25:32chance to create a
25:34club atmosphere
25:35that brought the
25:36west end to the
25:37east end
25:37and that is something
25:39that made them
25:40idols in a lot of
25:42east enders lives
25:43it was a step away
25:46from their east end
25:47lifestyle
25:48they got to dress up
25:49as if they were
25:50rich
25:51and they loved that
25:52most clubs are very
25:54respectable
25:54you know
25:55and I don't think
25:56there's any trouble
25:57at all
25:57except occasionally
25:59you know
25:59and sometimes
26:00they have to be
26:00slow out
26:01Jack Spot's demise
26:04paved way for the
26:05craze
26:06that's when
26:07Billy tried to guide
26:10and advise
26:11by the mid 1950s
26:14Billy was looking
26:15around for the
26:15next stage in his
26:16life
26:16he had plenty of
26:18money
26:18he could have
26:18retired easily
26:19at this point
26:20but there's always
26:22room for more
26:23money
26:23Billy Hill was a
26:24gambler
26:25he understood
26:25gambling
26:26but he didn't like
26:27the racetrack gangs
26:28he wasn't interested
26:29in them
26:29he was interested
26:30in making money
26:31Billy Hill's ability
26:33to mix with
26:34aristocrats
26:35worked out very
26:36well for him
26:36at one stage
26:37in London
26:37because he was
26:38frequenting
26:39casinos
26:40and gambling clubs
26:41particularly the
26:42Claremont
26:42which was a very
26:43famous one
26:44run by John
26:45Aspinall
26:46a notoriously
26:47rich
26:48artful
26:49character
26:50who was known
26:51as Britain's
26:52number one
26:53gambler
26:53Billy Hill
26:55not only went
26:56to these clubs
26:57but in the
26:57Claremont
26:57he decided
26:58he could see
26:59a classic
27:00opportunity
27:01one of the
27:03most outrageous
27:04scams
27:05ever perpetrated
27:07on London's
27:07high society
27:08has to be
27:09what happened
27:10at the Claremont
27:10Club
27:11what would come
27:12to be known
27:13as
27:13the Big Edge
27:15now he was a
27:18traveller
27:19he liked to
27:19travel
27:20Monte Carlo
27:21Nice
27:22North Africa
27:23wherever he went
27:24he would talk
27:25to people
27:26and he picked up
27:27on one of his
27:28trips
27:29from some
27:30Corsican
27:31organised crime
27:32figures
27:32a scam
27:34which he would
27:34turn into
27:35probably the
27:35biggest card
27:36scam
27:37that we've seen
27:38see the French
27:40were using it
27:41for years
27:41but nobody
27:42knew about it
27:43they came in
27:44and showed us
27:44how to do it
27:45the Big Edge
27:47but how did
27:51they do it
27:52the Big Edge
27:54involved putting
27:55cards through
27:56a kind of
27:56mangle
27:57which would
27:58give them
27:58a certain
27:58wrinkle
27:59and people
28:00who were
28:00properly trained
28:01could see
28:02the wrinkle
28:03and decide
28:04what kind
28:05of card
28:05it was
28:05and decide
28:06how to play
28:07their particular
28:08hand
28:08the way
28:09that we
28:10were doing
28:10it
28:11was just
28:11by bending
28:12the cards
28:13and Billy
28:14was in the
28:14middle of it
28:15he was
28:15organising it
28:16and they
28:17were fleecing
28:18gamblers
28:18left right
28:19and centre
28:20they made
28:21millions
28:22it was reported
28:25at the time
28:26that the 18th
28:27Earl of Derby
28:27lost over
28:281.7 million
28:30in today's
28:31money
28:31in one night
28:33it was like
28:36robbing Fortnox
28:37and the Bank
28:37of England
28:38at the same
28:38time
28:39just a lot
28:40easier
28:40said Bobby
28:42McHugh
28:42while Billy
28:46was flying
28:47under the radar
28:47in the West
28:48End
28:48over in the
28:50East
28:50things were
28:51getting out
28:51of hand
28:52the Cray
29:01Twins
29:01were becoming
29:02known
29:02for their
29:03willingness
29:03to fight
29:04anyone
29:04who challenged
29:05them
29:05they were
29:06violent guys
29:07I can tell
29:07you many
29:08few stories
29:09Ronnie stood
29:10up
29:10cocked a gun
29:11stuck it
29:12in one of the
29:12Dixon's mouth
29:13knocked his teeth
29:14out
29:14stabbed him
29:15about four
29:16times in the
29:16neck
29:17one little story
29:18I will tell
29:18there was a
29:19fella
29:19who would sell
29:20stolen goods
29:21jewellery
29:21clothing
29:22shoes
29:22or whatever
29:23but obviously
29:23that interfered
29:24with Ronnie
29:25and Reggie's
29:25business
29:25they shot him
29:26three times
29:27they didn't
29:28kill him
29:28they dragged him
29:29down the road
29:30slowed him down the
29:31boiler
29:31into the boiler
29:32on this big shovel
29:33he went in there
29:34that's the end of him
29:35they burned him alive
29:36Ronnie was the maniac
29:41he had a bit of trouble
29:42amongst his family
29:43in Brick Lane
29:44he pulled out his sword
29:45his sword was enormous
29:47about seven foot long
29:48they were smashing the
29:49door down with his sword
29:51Ronnie really went into him
29:53he put boiling water
29:54over him
29:55got a saw
29:56out of the car
29:57got this guy on the
29:59corner of the road
30:00on the curb
30:00and started sawing his leg
30:02off
30:02they weren't nice
30:06they were
30:06they were quiet
30:07in 1956
30:19Ronnie and his brother
30:20in fact
30:21beat up a lad
30:21called Terry Martin
30:22and it was a substantial
30:24beating
30:24including bayonets
30:25stabbing
30:26and Ronnie would
30:27go on to be convicted
30:28of grievous bodily harm
30:29with intent
30:30it's whilst he's in
30:32prison
30:33serving this
30:33three year sentence
30:34that he was examined
30:35by the doctors
30:36and he was diagnosed
30:37as schizophrenic
30:38Ronnie was diagnosed
30:40with schizophrenia
30:42and in particular
30:42paranoid schizophrenia
30:43which is
30:45you know
30:45a really serious
30:46diagnosis
30:47and he would have
30:48been really struggling
30:49with a lot of
30:50really serious symptoms
30:52particularly obviously
30:52being paranoid
30:53can he believe
30:54what people are saying
30:55he would have arguably
30:57been experiencing
30:58some kind of
30:58hallucinations
30:59as well
31:00potentially voices
31:01today
31:02people who get
31:03the right help
31:04can function perfectly
31:05normally within society
31:06unfortunately
31:07Ronnie at the time
31:09didn't get the help
31:10that he needed
31:10like some of the
31:14other criminals
31:15we've looked at
31:15the Krays
31:17were very good
31:18at exploiting
31:20their media image
31:21they didn't look
31:23typical
31:24of an East End
31:25gangster
31:26suit
31:27tie
31:28pocket square
31:29hair gel black
31:30the whole bit
31:31the Kray twins
31:33had celebrities
31:35in their pockets
31:36so it's no surprise
31:37that the media
31:38were also there
31:39the British media
31:40were putting these
31:41people on the front
31:42pages as people
31:43to be reckoned with
31:44and almost people
31:46to be admired
31:47they have wide interests
31:49in the theatre
31:50and in entertainment
31:51and they're well known
31:52for their fundraising
31:53work for charity
31:54for some years
31:55they've been concerned
31:56in the running
31:57of a number of
31:58West End
31:58and East End
31:59clubs
31:59they had a finger
32:01in every part
32:02they could pick up
32:03a phone
32:03and phone
32:05Lord Boothby
32:06now Boothby
32:07of course
32:08was a conservative
32:09peer
32:10senior member
32:11of the
32:11Tory party
32:13Ronnie
32:13was
32:14homosexual
32:15homosexuality
32:17was illegal
32:18at that time
32:19but
32:19there were
32:21homosexual
32:22orgies
32:22going on
32:23and it was
32:27just
32:27an open secret
32:28that these two
32:29were engaged
32:30in these activities
32:30Lord Boothby
32:32denied it
32:33he said
32:33there's no
32:34inappropriate
32:34relationship
32:34but actually
32:35reality was
32:36they were
32:37in bed together
32:37literally
32:38and metaphorically
32:39I must tell you
32:41this little story
32:42when they became
32:43friends
32:43Boothby
32:44he said
32:45would you like
32:46to have
32:46dinner
32:47at the
32:47House of Lords
32:48that wouldn't
32:49impress Ronnie
32:50Cray
32:50it'd just be
32:51the food
32:52he said
32:53yeah if you
32:54want to take
32:55me
32:55he said
32:55okay
32:56and he went
32:57to the
32:57House of Lords
32:58for dinner
32:59and Boothby
33:00he said
33:01they do
33:01wonderful
33:02cocktails
33:03here Ronnie
33:04he said
33:05hmm
33:05I might like
33:07to try
33:07one of those
33:08cocktails
33:09I've heard
33:10about them
33:10what sort
33:11of cocktail
33:12do you want
33:12he said
33:13a prawn cocktail
33:14Ronnie Cray's
33:19association
33:20with Lord
33:20Boothby
33:21provided a
33:22safety net
33:23if you like
33:23for the
33:23Crays
33:24the following
33:24year
33:25when the
33:25Crays
33:25were again
33:26arrested
33:26the prosecution
33:27collapsed
33:28because Boothby
33:29was in
33:29the House
33:30of Lords
33:30making big
33:31noises
33:32in support
33:32of the
33:32Crays
33:33to say
33:33these guys
33:34are being
33:34picked on
33:34the police
33:35are acting
33:35inappropriately
33:36and these
33:36people
33:37should be
33:37out of
33:37custody
33:38and out
33:39on the
33:39streets
33:39from the
33:40point of view
33:41of the
33:41country
33:41they ought
33:42to be
33:42released
33:43tomorrow
33:44because
33:45there is
33:46no question
33:46of the
33:47rights and
33:47wrongs
33:48of this
33:48matter
33:48from 1964
33:50onwards
33:51it effectively
33:51gave the
33:52Crays a free
33:53hand
33:53to operate
33:54in the
33:54East End
33:55and of course
33:55this is the
33:56beginning
33:56of their
33:57most violent
33:57period
33:58the brothers
33:59had considerable
33:59clout
34:00not only in
34:01the underworld
34:01but also in
34:02the media
34:03and in
34:03parliament
34:03they must have
34:04felt invincible
34:05but maybe
34:07that would
34:07be their
34:07downfall
34:081966
34:20is when
34:21everything
34:22started going
34:23downhill
34:23for the
34:24Cray twins
34:24a few years
34:26earlier
34:26Ronnie Cray
34:28was described
34:29by Jaws
34:29Canal
34:30supposedly
34:31as a
34:31big fat
34:32puff
34:32now this
34:33of course
34:33had not
34:34gone down
34:34too well
34:35with Ronnie
34:36Cray
34:36he hadn't
34:37dealt
34:37with that
34:37at the
34:37time
34:38and he
34:38thought
34:38it's now
34:39time
34:39for him
34:40to go
34:40and settle
34:41the matter
34:41one night
34:43he was just
34:43drinking
34:44in the
34:45Lion pub
34:46a pub
34:46that they
34:47often went
34:48to
34:48and decided
34:49mid pint
34:50that he was
34:50going to
34:51walk across
34:52to the
34:52blind beggar
34:53where he
34:53knew
34:54George
34:54Cornell
34:54was
34:55he comes
34:56in the
34:56side door
34:57from the
34:57side street
34:58and he
34:58turns left
35:00at the
35:00bar
35:00Cornell
35:02said in a
35:02rather sarcastic
35:03way
35:04well look
35:04who's just
35:05walked in
35:05he didn't
35:07say one
35:07word
35:08he walked
35:10in and he
35:10shot him
35:11straight through
35:11the head
35:12there
35:12and he
35:13fell on
35:14the floor
35:14and they
35:16told me
35:17the song
35:17that was
35:17being played
35:18the time
35:18the sun
35:19ain't gonna
35:19shine
35:20anymore
35:20the big hit
35:21it was a prime
35:27example
35:27not only of
35:29their brutality
35:29but also of
35:32their recklessness
35:32and they
35:34hot footed
35:34to where
35:35else but
35:35Morocco
35:36where
35:36Billy Hill
35:37was
35:37Billy Hill
35:38first went
35:39to Morocco
35:40in the
35:41late 40s
35:41early 50s
35:42and got
35:43involved in
35:43smuggling
35:44he'd
35:45spotted
35:45something
35:46an opportunity
35:47and it
35:47was cheap
35:47cigarettes
35:48and he'd
35:49started
35:50to import
35:51cigarettes
35:51illegally
35:52of course
35:53from Morocco
35:53to the UK
35:54and it was a
35:55very lucrative
35:56business for
35:57Billy Hill
35:57and it kept
35:58him away
35:59from London
36:00and away
36:00from the
36:01police
36:02he took
36:03the brothers
36:03to Morocco
36:04he gave
36:06him a good
36:06holiday
36:07and it
36:08was a lesson
36:09it was
36:09educational
36:10but the lesson
36:12wasn't taken
36:12to heart
36:13and soon
36:14the Krays
36:14were back
36:15unleashing terror
36:16on the streets
36:16of London
36:17once more
36:17their next
36:18victim
36:19Jack the
36:21Hat
36:21McVitie
36:22Jack the
36:23Hat
36:24was a
36:24harmless
36:24person
36:25he wasn't
36:25a violent
36:26man
36:27he was a
36:27thief
36:28he was a
36:28pest
36:29but what
36:29they did
36:30was completely
36:31over the top
36:32the Krays
36:34and the
36:35bulk
36:35of the
36:36firm
36:37were drinking
36:37in the pub
36:38called the
36:38Carpenters Arms
36:39I believe
36:39mum was there
36:40I believe
36:40dad may have
36:41even been there
36:42Ronnie
36:43he was
36:43quite erratic
36:44his mental
36:45health
36:45was mostly
36:46out of control
36:47throughout that
36:48time period
36:49and he decided
36:50that was the
36:50night
36:50that
36:51Jack the
36:51Hat
36:52was going
36:53to get
36:53his
36:53comeuppance
36:54now they
36:55had a flat
36:56just around
36:56the corner
36:56and they
36:57decided
36:58what they were
36:58going to do
36:59was to try
37:00and set up
37:00what looked
37:00like a bit
37:01of a party
37:01and a couple
37:02of the other
37:03members of the firm
37:04were told to go
37:05out and get
37:05Jack the Hat
37:06tell him
37:07that there's a party
37:08around the corner
37:09Jack the Hat
37:10was found
37:10he was drunk
37:11he willingly
37:12went to the
37:13flat
37:13as anyone
37:14got to the
37:14bottom
37:14of the stairs
37:15he realised
37:16it's a trick
37:17he's approached
37:18by Reggie
37:19being of course
37:20urged on
37:21by his brother
37:21go on
37:22go and kill him
37:23go and kill him
37:23and Reggie
37:24is really
37:25in a poor
37:25state
37:26apparently
37:26produced his
37:27gun
37:28pulled the
37:29trailer
37:29but it
37:30didn't go
37:30off
37:31so Jack
37:32McVitie
37:32had his
37:32opportunity
37:33to escape
37:33he ran
37:34and smashed
37:35the window
37:35and tried
37:36to get out
37:37but as he
37:38tried
37:39he was pulled
37:40back in
37:40when he walks
37:42out of the
37:42kitchen
37:42with a big
37:43knife
37:43gives it to
37:43Reggie
37:44and says
37:44go to work
37:45get rid of him
37:45he stabs
37:48McVitie
37:49first in
37:50the head
37:50and the neck
37:51and then
37:51the torso
37:52it was just
37:56a blood
37:56bath
37:56one person
37:58would even
37:58say
37:58it even
37:59looked like
38:00his head
38:00decapitated
38:01from his
38:01body
38:01to this
38:04day
38:05the body
38:05has never
38:06been found
38:07by very
38:14publicly
38:15committing
38:15the killings
38:16of
38:16Jack the
38:17Hat
38:17and George
38:18Cornell
38:18the Cree
38:19twins
38:20were almost
38:21telling the
38:22police
38:22come and
38:22get me
38:23their
38:24volatility
38:24was too
38:25much
38:26they
38:26basically
38:27self-combusted
38:28with the
38:28two murders
38:29that they
38:29committed
38:30it became
38:31impossible
38:31for the
38:32police
38:32to
38:32ignore
38:33them
38:33and
38:34eventually
38:34decided
38:35enough's
38:35enough
38:35and
38:36they
38:36appointed
38:36a man
38:37called
38:37Levin Reed
38:37Nipper Reed
38:38famously in
38:381967
38:39who had
38:40one job
38:41only
38:41clear
38:41in
38:41trade
38:42the
38:42only
38:42job
38:42you
38:42got
38:42to
38:42do
38:43is
38:43get
38:43the
38:44craze
38:44and
38:46effectively
38:46one by
38:47one
38:47there was
38:48this
38:48domino
38:48effect
38:49of
38:49people
38:50starting
38:50to
38:50talk
38:50and
38:51eventually
38:51Nipper
38:52had
38:52sufficient
38:53evidence
38:53to
38:53prosecute
38:54for
38:55the
38:55murder
38:55of
38:56McVitie
38:56and
38:57the
38:57shooting
38:57of
38:57George
38:58Cornell
38:59the
38:5934
39:00the
39:0034
39:00year
39:00old
39:00ex
39:01boxer
39:01brothers
39:02Reginald
39:02and
39:03Ronald
39:03came
39:04here
39:04with
39:04flying
39:05squad
39:05officers
39:06at
39:066
39:07o'clock
39:07this
39:07morning
39:08they
39:08were
39:08in
39:09bed
39:09when
39:09the
39:09officers
39:09called
39:10to
39:10their
39:11home
39:11in
39:12shortage
39:12the
39:14Cray
39:14twins
39:14later
39:15years
39:15were
39:15spent
39:16in
39:16prison
39:16while
39:18the
39:18empire
39:18they
39:18built
39:19unraveled
39:21a
39:25successful
39:26criminal
39:26is
39:26someone
39:27who's
39:28made
39:29a good
39:29living
39:29never
39:31come
39:31to
39:31the
39:31attention
39:31of
39:31the
39:32police
39:32and
39:32people
39:33don't
39:33know
39:33they're
39:33criminals
39:33if
39:34you
39:34go
39:34to
39:35prison
39:35doesn't
39:37sound
39:37very
39:37successful
39:38to
39:38me
39:38by
39:41the
39:41time
39:42they
39:42had
39:42gone
39:42to
39:42prison
39:43Billy
39:43Hill
39:43was
39:44in
39:44retirement
39:45in
39:45Tangier
39:46also
39:46had
39:47a
39:47home
39:47in
39:47Marbella
39:48he
39:48was
39:48one
39:48of
39:48the
39:48first
39:49of
39:49the
39:49British
39:49crims
39:49to
39:50go
39:50down
39:50there
39:50so
39:51he
39:51was
39:52successful
39:52he
39:53got
39:53out
39:53with
39:54his
39:54money
39:54he
39:55got
39:55out
39:56with
39:56his
39:56sanity
39:56and
39:57he
39:57could
39:58live
39:58the
39:58life
39:58before
40:00he
40:01met
40:01Jip
40:01Billy
40:02was
40:02in
40:03and
40:03out
40:03of
40:04prison
40:04the
40:05day
40:05he
40:05met
40:05Jip
40:06he
40:06never
40:06done
40:06a
40:06day's
40:07time
40:07while
40:10battling
40:10ill
40:10health
40:11brought
40:11on
40:11by
40:12a
40:12lifetime
40:12of
40:13smoking
40:13Billy
40:14Hill
40:15would
40:15die
40:15at
40:15his
40:15home
40:16in
40:16Bayswater
40:16on
40:17the
40:171st
40:18of
40:18January
40:181984
40:19age 72
40:21Billy
40:25took
40:25an
40:25overdose
40:26of
40:27sleeping
40:27tablets
40:28so
40:29basically
40:30he was
40:30boss
40:30till
40:31the
40:31end
40:31of
40:32his
40:32own
40:32destiny
40:33Billy
40:34made
40:35100
40:35times
40:35more
40:35than
40:36both
40:36and
40:36put
40:36together
40:37Frankie
40:38Fraser
40:38used to
40:39say
40:39he died
40:39the
40:39richest
40:40man
40:40in
40:40the
40:40graveyard
40:41his
40:43death
40:43certificate
40:44said
40:44he
40:44worked
40:44in
40:45demolition
40:46in
40:48prison
40:48meanwhile
40:49Ronnie's
40:50mental
40:50health
40:51deteriorated
40:52rapidly
40:53he
40:53clashed
40:54repeatedly
40:54with
40:55prison
40:55staff
40:56and
40:56other
40:56inmates
40:57and
40:57ended
40:58up
40:58getting
40:58even
40:58more
40:59isolated
40:59within
41:00the
41:00system
41:00at
41:01the
41:01beginning
41:02when
41:02he
41:02first
41:03went
41:03there
41:03I
41:03went
41:03with
41:04Mrs
41:04Cray
41:04a lot
41:05of
41:05times
41:05and
41:05he
41:05behaved
41:06and
41:06he
41:06was
41:07good
41:07he
41:07said
41:07when
41:08I
41:08come
41:08home
41:09I'm
41:09going
41:09to
41:09Suffolk
41:10he's
41:10buying
41:11a
41:11house
41:11with
41:11Reggie
41:12the
41:12two
41:12of
41:12them
41:12are
41:13living
41:13together
41:13and
41:14then
41:14I'm
41:14going
41:14to
41:14travel
41:15which
41:16he
41:16does
41:16say
41:16in
41:16that
41:17interview
41:17doesn't
41:18he
41:18well
41:18I'd
41:19like
41:19to
41:19go
41:19abroad
41:20for
41:20a
41:20while
41:21Reggie
41:24on
41:24the
41:24other
41:24hand
41:25although
41:26the
41:26steadier
41:27and
41:27more
41:27stable
41:28of
41:28the
41:28two
41:28remained
41:29imprisoned
41:30for
41:30over
41:3130
41:31years
41:31Ronnie
41:33died
41:33in
41:331995
41:34Reggie
41:36was
41:36allowed
41:36out
41:36to
41:36attend
41:37the
41:37funeral
41:37where
41:38he
41:38was
41:38joined
41:38by
41:39hundreds
41:39of
41:39well
41:40wishes
41:40and
41:40supporters
41:41Reggie
41:42died
41:43from
41:43terminal
41:43cancer
41:44age
41:4466
41:45on
41:45the
41:451st
41:46of
41:46October
41:462000
41:47he
41:48was
41:48buried
41:49beside
41:50Ronnie
41:50the
41:52Kray
41:53Twins
41:53legacy
41:54is a
41:54strange
41:55combination
41:55of
41:56myth
41:56and
41:56fact
41:57they
41:58remembered
41:58as
41:59both
42:00notorious
42:00criminals
42:01and also
42:02as
42:02enigmatic
42:03figures
42:03who
42:04captivated
42:05the
42:05public
42:05imagination
42:06and
42:06symbolized
42:07the rebellion
42:08of the
42:08working
42:09classes
42:09against
42:10the
42:10establishment
42:11in
42:12the
42:13end
42:13they
42:13made
42:13more
42:13money
42:14off
42:14their
42:14books
42:14and
42:15exploiting
42:15their
42:15name
42:16while
42:16they
42:17were
42:17behind
42:17bars
42:17than
42:18they
42:18ever
42:18did
42:18from
42:18any
42:19of
42:19the
42:19crimes
42:19that
42:19they
42:20committed
42:20there's
42:21a lot
42:21of
42:22people
42:22who
42:22saw
42:23them
42:23as
42:24working
42:25class
42:25heroes
42:26when
42:27they
42:27eventually
42:27died
42:27in
42:271995
42:28and
42:292000
42:29the
42:31streets
42:31of
42:31London
42:31littered
42:33with
42:33people
42:33watching
42:34the
42:34cortege
42:34and
42:35the
42:35limousines
42:36that
42:36followed
42:36their
42:36coffins
42:37to
42:37their
42:38graves
42:38still
42:39people
42:39apparently
42:40saying
42:40on
42:40the
42:40street
42:41they
42:42were
42:42good
42:42lads
42:42really
42:42but
42:43actually
42:43the
42:43reality
42:44was
42:44they
42:44were
42:44dangerous
42:45violent
42:46individuals
42:47the
42:48craze
42:48tried
42:49to
42:49give
42:49the
42:49impression
42:50they
42:50were
42:50robbing
42:51hoods
42:52yeah
42:52taking
42:53from the
42:53rich
42:53giving
42:54to
42:54the
42:54poor
42:54it
42:55was
42:55absolute
42:56nonsense
42:56they
42:57didn't
42:58care
42:58who
42:59they
42:59intimidated
43:00or
43:00robbed
43:00as
43:01long
43:01as
43:01they
43:01got
43:02what
43:02they
43:02wanted
43:03Billy
43:05Hill's
43:05legacy
43:06was a
43:06bit
43:07more
43:07complex
43:07he
43:09was
43:09a
43:09good
43:09man
43:10I
43:11mean
43:11you
43:11can't
43:12judge
43:12someone
43:13on
43:13their
43:14upbringing
43:14it
43:15was
43:16inevitable
43:16he
43:16was
43:17going
43:17to
43:17do
43:17what
43:17he
43:17was
43:18going
43:18to
43:18do
43:18put
43:19that
43:19aside
43:19he
43:20was
43:20a
43:21gentleman
43:21old
43:23school
43:23in
43:24some
43:24ways
43:24he
43:25was a
43:25kind
43:26of
43:26trailblazer
43:27in
43:27organised
43:27crime
43:28he
43:29combined
43:29intelligence
43:30charm
43:31and
43:31ruthlessness
43:32to
43:33dominate
43:34Britain's
43:34underworld
43:35he
43:37was
43:37much
43:37smarter
43:38more
43:38calculating
43:39than
43:39his
43:39pupils
43:40which
43:41made
43:41him
43:42much
43:42more
43:42dangerous
43:42and
43:44maybe
43:44that's
43:44why
43:45when
43:45he
43:45is
43:45talked
43:46about
43:46although
43:47might not
43:47be as
43:48much as
43:48the
43:48Chris
43:48he's
43:50just
43:50the
43:50godfather
43:51of the
43:51city
43:52he
43:52can
43:53come
43:54run
43:54off
43:55your
43:55throne
43:56and
43:57leave
43:57your
43:57body
43:58alone
43:59somebody
44:01must
44:02change
44:03you are
44:06the reason
44:07I've been
44:08waiting
44:08so long
44:10somebody
44:12holds
44:13the
44:13key
44:14well
44:15I'm
44:16in the
44:17who
44:19can't
44:19go
44:20to
44:20go
44:21to
44:21the
44:22who
44:23Gracias.
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