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00:00The
00:26own first stop on my road trip is the data Waterford I'm there I head on to
00:49Bali Duff I want to learn and understand the Shanno's tradition that came out of
00:54this part of the country I'm so excited to learn about the song collectors in this
00:58region and we talk some of the songs from the area Tim well talk Cole our fifth
01:07focusedmouth about the
01:22Hi everyone, I'm here for a long time.
01:26This is another story but I don't know.
01:32I'm not one of them anymore.
01:35This is to the future.
01:37And my friend is gonna walk away.
01:40And my friend is using a new beginning in the end.
01:45Hello.
01:46How you doin'?
01:49What ya doin'?
01:50Huh?
01:52There was a folklore collector came here in 1940, Liam De Norell, he got the job from the Folklore Commission to collect, but he didn't know where to start.
02:06He didn't even know about Ring at the time, even though he was a fluent Irish speaker himself, and he collected songs in Belly Saggart, and they were much the same songs as they are sung in Ring today.
02:19So that's what really piqued my interest in the whole thing, so like, those songs were all over rural Ireland, but then as the Irish language retreated into the Gwaltucked areas, the songs disappeared, because everyone was speaking English, and the story of the song wouldn't have been that important to people, which was important to the people themselves that had the songs in their heads.
02:43Yeah. He just weaved his way around the county, and he'd inquire, and then he got information, such a fella knows a few songs or whatever, wrote the songs down as they were being sung, and he wrote the music down as well.
02:58So he was a genius. And I could go through all the, that's the way he did it.
03:05Give us a look at this.
03:07This was a famous song, that was made famous by Nicholas Tobin, who's one of the most famous Shen Nore singers.
03:16But this song was collected in Belly Saggart, and it was sung by Bobby Lyons.
03:22He had this song, but he had interesting things in the song that Nicholas Tobin doesn't have in his song.
03:27So the Belly Saggart people were all over rural Ireland, names in it.
03:32The name of the Connerys were a family that were evicted down, down in West Waterford, half an hour from here.
03:41But a Doon was the name of the place.
03:44The family were evicted, but they stood up for it, and they tried to kill the agent that was evicting him.
03:51And they were transported to, well, the song says New South Wales, not sure where they actually ended up.
03:58The songs are really personal, not just to the families, but to each area.
04:06It's what you know, like any story.
04:08Yeah, yeah.
04:09You're a nurturer.
04:11Thank you very much.
04:12It's easy to say.
04:14Yeah.
04:15.
04:16.
04:19.
04:21.
04:23.
04:26.
04:30.
04:33.
04:35.
04:37.
04:41I will be here at this time...
04:48...from the class of Vino, Professor, and Laiqli, and Spardianta Laura...
04:56...and Scotrad Machine.
04:57They will be here at home...
05:00...the shared and shared and shared a place in the city...
05:05There was a lot of times in the race...
05:18...and there are many different types of times...
05:21...to get out of the race...
05:25...but I was going to say that this was the first time...
05:28...Irlander, and I was going to say that again...
05:31But the last time I was in the early days,
05:34I was the only one who was in the early days
05:37I was the only one who was in the early days.
06:01actually go amongst the people and start making
06:04recordings, ethnographic recordings.
06:06Thankfully, those recordings survived
06:08and were able to listen in today,
06:09which is an amazing thing, to be able to listen in today
06:12on singers from
06:14that time, 1903, 1905.
06:16It's just really unusual.
06:17Which is fantastic. And he wrote this
06:19book, well, it was actually not published
06:21until after his death, but he was in
06:23the process of writing this
06:25work here, A Handbook of Irish Music.
06:28There's a picture of him here, we should have
06:29a look. And we might
06:31say a few things. This is
06:33him here, Richard Hennigree.
06:35Dr. Richard Hennigree. And this
06:37is somebody who came from outside, if you like.
06:40From outside and above.
06:41You know, he was a clergyman and very respected.
06:44And he actually showed the people that
06:45they had something really special, in a sense.
06:48You know, he was one of those that
06:49did that, you know. And tell me about
06:51Maura Niigroma. Maura Niigroma.
06:54There's no great record of
06:55the people that's extant
06:57from those times, you know.
06:59So we're, I would say, trying to piece
07:03together little pictures of people
07:05sometimes. And that's the case with Maura Niigroma.
07:07We know that she was born maybe
07:10in the late 18th century.
07:12That she lived through the famine times.
07:15I think that our oral traditions
07:18are kind of often overlooked
07:19as to their value in terms of
07:22what they can tell us about events, you know.
07:24And when you have something like
07:25Aura Niigroma, which is Maura Niigroma's account of
07:29how she felt during the famine.
07:32When you have something like that, that's
07:35you can't put a price on that.
07:36That's coming from the people.
07:37It's an account of
07:38what they felt and how they felt
07:41at the time, you know.
07:42So, Aura Niigroma's account of
07:43the famine song, as it's sometimes referred to as,
07:49well, that was collected by a man called
07:53Niclas Thobine in this area.
07:54We mentioned Niclas earlier on.
07:57He was one of the first to attend
07:58Dulce Gholna Món.
08:00Aura Niigroma's account of
08:01the scoffering is a very, very sad item.
08:04You know, it talks about how the
08:05neighbours have all been scattered
08:07on account of the failed crop of potatoes.
08:11And she says something quite controversial in here.
08:16It was considered an out on crust
08:17because the clergy weren't too enamoured
08:19with some of the content of the song.
08:21She said in one part of it,
08:23Ni hae diya kiap ria van ober sa.
08:25God didn't ordain that this should happen
08:28to the Irish people, you know.
08:30And I suppose the thinking would be that
08:32everything is the will of God.
08:34and so to say Ni hae diya kiap ria van ober sa
08:37is challenging, you know.
08:39Really, she was saying it was something that
08:42was put upon it.
08:43Was put upon it.
08:45This makes all the difference
08:46to our understanding.
08:49It does.
08:50It's, as I say,
08:51the account from below.
08:53People.
08:54Yeah.
08:55Mothers.
08:56Yeah.
08:57Trying to feed their children.
08:59It's right here.
09:00When I was in the book,
09:01I was in the book,
09:02I was in the book,
09:03Ocarus Fadas Gan Dada La Fáild.
09:06Children crying
09:06and screeching every morning.
09:10The pangs of hunger,
09:11you know,
09:12and nothing,
09:13nothing to eat, you know.
09:15We are going to access 먼,
09:21and most people,
09:24I live in the book,
09:25you know,
09:26the people,
09:27you know,
09:29that when they die,
09:29then you never had to be
09:30protected,
09:30or,
09:30you have done that.
09:31I
10:01I am so grateful I am the man who raised this scream.
10:10I am the man who is the man who raised me and gave me the Lord for the long time.
10:20My friend, I am the man who showed me the same as the father of the husband.
10:30by the time we got to work in Calhoun by Dr. Macafossi.
10:36We had the first time they expected to work.
10:44You will be able to do it for a new time when you think about that.
10:51in the middle of the day,
10:52where I met Reina Gwaneach,
10:53and I joined the Coulastain
10:55and I joined the Cuercheuge
10:57on the Dianne School of the Coulastain
10:59and the Coulastain School of the Coulastain
11:01and the Coulastain School of the Coulastain
11:03that I had ever seen
11:05in the past 20 years.
11:21So, hand.
11:51We're very, very lucky here.
12:12We had fabulous teachers, schools that kept the songs alive.
12:19And maybe because of the songs, it kept the Grayley Ball.
12:23They worked hand in hand.
12:36In 1959, there was a secondary school founded here.
12:41And for the first few years, or maybe the first 20 years,
12:45there were three subjects that were taught every day.
12:47Like, they were all the subjects, but every day,
12:50there was guilin, mathematics, and singing.
12:54The three of those were taught every day in that school.
12:57Yeah, kidding me.
12:58Yeah, and we also had fabulous publicans,
13:01which were very important.
13:03We had the people in this house.
13:05We had Mooneys, we had Tiggan Cíol,
13:07we had Anne, who was a publican.
13:09And all these people kept the songs alive,
13:11and maybe ultimately kept the Irish alive.
13:13You know, I came in here, and I had no Irish whatsoever.
13:17I had the Irish for a table or a chair,
13:19but I couldn't put a sentence together, you know.
13:22But just listening to the people with the pub,
13:26that time Tiggan Cíol, coming in and out,
13:28it was all Irish they spoke.
13:30You know, all those lads there now.
13:32And I remember saying to my late husband now,
13:36or he's saying to me,
13:38that you'll make an effort to speak Irish to the people
13:40that is coming in and out, you know.
13:43The songs were a great help, you know,
13:45because I'd have been able to pick out words
13:48and what they meant,
13:49and people like Mary didn't listen.
13:51James was an absolute, you know,
13:54he knew everything about songs and about words.
13:57So anyway, all these people kept it alive.
14:02And you.
14:03I'm going to try a song together, is what we might do.
14:06Oh, yes.
14:07I'm just looking up there now,
14:08that beautiful mural that you've spoken about earlier.
14:10And the great Niklas Thaudeen,
14:12who was really our great hero here.
14:15I'm going to sing,
14:16I'm going to start maybe a few verses of a song
14:20that I would associate with them.
14:21Oh, and Paul Steenpian, the children, what?
14:25I suppose the fair-haired child maybe.
14:28The fair-haired child.
14:28Yeah.
14:29I
14:59Is
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15:59I do ten times before morning.
16:04Come on, come on, come on.
16:06That's a great song.
16:08Very good song.
16:10Come on.
16:11Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
16:15Oh, that was gorgeous.
16:18Oh, we're just up.
16:20Now we're lifting.
16:22You won't get that again.
16:29I'm digging deeper now after hearing beautiful songs
16:33from wonderful people preserving our amazing history
16:37and the journey they've had and still have to keep it alive.
16:41I want to contribute to that in some small way.
16:44I'm a singer from this island.
16:47I want to add to that.
16:49I'm not going to do it anyway to the extent that they have done
16:54or will do.
16:55I mean, this is there for a day.
16:59But I want to know what it feels like to sing in Irish,
17:04to sing in my own language.
17:06I just want to try, that's all.
17:08I just want to try.
17:10Yeah, that's all we can do.
17:12I want to learn more.
17:16So here we are, Anne.
17:18It's time for me to roll up my sleeves and get into it now.
17:22Yeah, get down to business.
17:24It's this song, Eileen Arun.
17:26It's a love song and it's the ring version.
17:30You would definitely make a nice job of this.
17:32You think I'll be able first.
17:33Oh, you will.
17:34But the story goes, it's a love song and it's about a young man
17:38who falls in love with Eileen.
17:40And in the second verse, he says to her,
17:45Will you come with me or will you stay?
17:48And she says, I'll go with you and I won't stay.
17:52And for as long as I live, I will love you.
17:56And what's ruin mean?
17:58It means it's a term of endearment, as they call it.
18:02Eileen, my love, or my precious person, you know.
18:06Do you want me to sing the first verse for you?
18:08Oh yes, please.
18:09And I'll explain.
18:10Please.
18:11And if you want to mark where the little twillie notes come in.
18:14I will, I'll go all through it, yeah.
18:16Right.
18:17Eileen, my love, or my love.
18:30Okay.
18:31Grant.
18:32Now, do you want to try that verse on your own?
18:34No.
18:36Ah, come on now.
18:38You'll be well able for it.
18:39Oh no, give it a tiny go on me.
18:41Do, do.
18:42Let's see.
18:431, 2, 3.
18:44Yes.
18:45Oh no, I will be my love.
19:14No, oh, you're a great teacher. I love that great. You have a great feed for it. Would you have that for all your songs?
19:20Oh, it's gorgeous. Yeah.
19:22Thanks. Oh, look at the lovely.
19:24Isn't it gorgeous?
19:25Just love me.
19:26What a lovely day.
19:27I'm out.
19:57I'm out.
20:27I'm out.
20:34I'm out.
20:41I'm out.
20:48I'm out.
20:55I'm out.
21:02I'm out.
21:09I'm out.
21:16I'm out.
21:23I'm out.
21:30I'm out.
21:37I'm out.
21:39I'm out.
21:46I'm out.
21:55I'm out.
21:57I'm out.
22:04I'm out.
22:06I'm out.
22:07I'm out.
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22:15I'm out.
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22:26I'm out.
22:27I'm out.
22:28I'm out.
22:29I'm out.
22:31I'm out.
22:35I'm out.
22:36I'm out.
22:37I'm out.
22:38I'm out.
22:39I'm out.
22:40I'm out.
22:41I'm out.
22:42I'm out.
22:43I'm out.
22:44I'm out.
22:45I'm out.
22:47The language.
22:48Just been surrounded by the language has really awakening.
22:51The Irish that's already in me, you know, that I'm remembering more, I've been surrounded
22:56by everybody speaking constantly, which is lovely.
23:00To sing your songs and sing the stories, you know, of people, the people who wrote the
23:05songs.
23:06So this is really important for me for that reason as well, you know, to learn more of the stories and to be able to sing them when I'm away from home, to represent us well, you know.
23:21Ta faa sing operaat.
23:29Next week, I'll continue my journey to Cork and Kerry, where I learn about the song collectors and composers of the time.
23:36I also have a breakthrough on how to learn the language through song to connect with the songs I want to sing.
23:44Maybe it's not learning the language to learn the songs, maybe it's learning the songs to learn the language.
23:50I was just going to say that. We all have to reframe our relationship with the language and with the music.
24:06I was just going to say that. We are going to speak to the music.
24:09We are going to talk to them before.
24:11We are going to talk to them afterwards.
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