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Imelda May - Amhráin na nGael Season 1 Episode 5
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00:00.
00:03There was a piece of paper and paper...
00:06...of the old school in the New England...
00:09...with the old school.
00:11The old school was taken away from the old school.
00:15.
00:25.
00:31.
00:35.
00:36.
00:39.
00:43.
00:44Donegal, Dunningal, Fort of the Foreigners.
00:56I've always had this love, a very special love of Donegal.
01:03It's the wild, the wild west.
01:06You can get lost in Donegal.
01:08And I love that it's not the easiest place to get to, that it takes more effort.
01:18There's something ancient in the music here, the way it's sung, the way the dialect curls around your mouth, around the melody.
01:27I want to dig deeper, meet the people who know these songs inside and out and learn some of these songs from this region.
01:36Trina and Mairad Nicona, two absolute legends from this part of Ireland, have agreed to chat with me.
01:44Trina and Mairad, I know that you're a legend, the pair of you.
01:50And the amount that you've done for music and for Donegal music in particular, you know, put on the map is incredible.
02:00Did you get that from your mammy or was it from the whole family? Because I know your mam collected a lot of songs.
02:07Well, it was actually daddy who was born in Reardon in Ranafast, Ranafarsha.
02:12And he, his whole family were steeped in sort of songs, music, lore.
02:19His official name? His official name was Eodonnel.
02:23Yes. Now that's what I know. Eodonnel.
02:27When he was in his 20s, 30s, he worked for the Folklore Commission, which was going round with an ediphone on his back, you know, the old style ediphone.
02:40On his bicycle. On his bicycle.
02:43And up these mountain roads. And actually, he didn't have to go further than his own relations when he first started collecting.
02:51And the reason, so each night he had to transcribe what was on each wax cylinder. Stories, songs, what to do.
03:00The instruments, the kind of, the implements they used to do.
03:02Yeah. All the lore of, of the locality.
03:05Yeah.
03:06And particularly, he was the first kind of person that went out to Torrey Island and collected there.
03:12And he used to be storm-bound regularly. So I can imagine there's, there's transcripts of great nights he held there as well.
03:18Yeah, I was going to say, what a lovely place.
03:20A place to get stuck.
03:24We went out there as children. He'd be in recording and, you know, as he got, he was, he got like reel-to-reels at that stage.
03:31As soon as he could afford.
03:33As soon as he could afford. Yeah.
03:34And he was known as, not Hughie Benn.
03:37Because he stayed in Bell's house.
03:39He stayed with the Bell family.
03:40Yeah.
03:41And so he was there long enough that they...
03:44They gave him a nickname.
03:45They gave him a nickname.
03:46Yeah. Yeah.
03:47Isn't that gorgeous?
03:51She was like, oh, in the day,
03:54I was like, oh, oh, oh my God!
04:00She was like a boy, she's a gal,
04:02she was like, oh?
04:05I know, she's like a girl,
04:06she's like a girl in the morning.
04:09It was very, very funny.
04:13Who was very happy when you were pregnant at the age of 13?
04:16How was her?
04:17..and he thanked the government to give him a big amount of money...
04:22..and the last two months he joined the city of the country.
04:29I'm going to have to do it again...
04:32..but here I am a big part of this journey...
04:36..and there was a very sharp wood style.
04:39I think it's so much better.
04:47island is probably the most isolated inhabited island off our coast it has a
04:51population of a hundred and forty people which doubles at Christmas and
04:55summertime but the problem with Torrey is that if you can get on to it it could
04:59be weeks before you get off because the island doesn't have a proper harbor
05:03although the locals have been looking for one for over ten years
05:08so I can't take you to Torrey without showing you our national school which is
05:20where we would have learned a lot of songs and in our youth as well in recent
05:27years there would only have been eight in the school whenever I was here and now
05:32there's 25 students so yeah we're going up in the world
06:02that was fantastic thank you very much tell me about do you love living on
06:11Torrey island
06:13yes and who plays instruments
06:17me
06:19who likes all the old Irish songs all the Chano songs
06:23are you know them
06:30huh
06:35you know on your heart is all on your
06:40money go for the
06:41so I don't have on your hand on your lot
06:45later may I'm just calling the law
06:50There's been a
07:20fight for survival out here I suppose
07:22and my grandfather
07:24campaigned for the island and he used
07:26the Shannos as a big
07:28part of that as well. Oh that is
07:30huge! For us
07:32Charles Obweil, my cousin
07:34Charles, who we met earlier on there
07:36I'll never forget the
07:38first time I heard him singing properly for the
07:40first time as he sang
07:42Shannan Yorate and he had learned it
07:44from listening to recordings of my grandfather
07:46singing it. So when he sang
07:48it and it was nearly as if
07:50it was you were hearing my grandad
07:52singing through him
07:54it's such kind of reassurance for us
07:56that the tradition is going to be
07:58passed on and that it is going to continue
08:00so having the strong culture that we
08:02have
08:02it's definitely contributed to
08:06keeping people on the island as well
08:08so it's very personal to us
08:10and yeah it's
08:11more than just
08:13a tradition.
08:16Tell me about some of the songs that are
08:18particular to this area
08:19yeah so we would have well they kind of call it the Tory anthem and that's where in the sky then and it translates as the herring song and it's literally about a man who's reflecting on his life and how he spent his life fishing in Tory and off the coast of Tory he talks about all the places he would have fished
08:40yeah I'll sing it
08:42yeah i'll sing it
08:42yeah i'll sing it
08:44yeah i'll sing it
08:46be mixed much you had in yes no I did I'm a maher majean
08:51vettem rojkujian venn being a hinnah haker plesher
08:56at a misty a melnaboh son fish gigant or yadik
09:00carna skaddan harna dream be mixed much you had and young
09:05we said him what do wean she on be mixed much you are in the raw
09:10We serve money and sit and be mixed more to it and not inside a train of a
09:16Sue. It's got a word that I'm a student. He said tell him and they can
09:21hear him clash much and you look as much a man in love.
09:26I don't mind. It's more hot of a gun. We're worn it on.
09:31It's got another message. She the art and she the tiny tight.
09:35I guess what I get my skin on the door. I'm a shit. I'm a sister.
09:42It's my getting like brought to Jane. Yeah, my dream. The brand up a show.
09:47Can she turn me sick and I've ate them off the on the water.
09:52My her my show mom and I can learn the fighting good mask and I had a man.
10:05I remember and understand way more than I realised as I've travelled along and then I get to
10:22Donegal and that's totally flipped. You know, I'm trying to listen out for the words and I
10:27can't hear them and then I realise it's a totally different different dialect.
10:33So it's a it's it's a I have to be on my toes. And I love that. I like that it's challenging me.
10:42I'm about to get to know and then I have to work with my music when I can use it to
10:44go the desert.
10:45Out of my toes.
10:45And I'm like just the rookie record of me.
10:46Out of my toes.
10:48First I spent two years taking it a turn of envy when I was up to, so really
10:49looking and thinking about it.
10:51I tried to avoid seeing that.
10:56You need to put a deal of
10:56dobry Christmasân stage BAAR, and also discussing that you can understand the
10:59country and deine family.
11:01and don't stand at that time.
11:05Once you're in the evening, you can't wait to see questions,
11:08but you don't start at the school of the year later.
11:11You can't wait until the end of the year.
11:14You can't wait until the end of the year later.
11:17You cannot wait until you get to the stage.
11:31In English and Auschwitz the dialects change vastly
11:36compared to other places.
11:39I'm constantly saying that when I'm teaching songs.
11:41I say, you could say it this way,
11:42but one mile over the road, you could say it this way.
11:45There's so many...
11:46I mean, you've been to the islands,
11:48and for me growing up,
11:49looking out on Tory Island and on Inish Boffin
11:52and right beside me, Maharoti,
11:54and I'm in Milnara,
11:55and that's just four...
11:57I mean, we can see each other,
11:59but the, you know, the dialect and everything there
12:02is just so different, so different.
12:04For example,
12:06the...
12:07you would say,
12:08ni, ni ro me, ni ro me,
12:10but in Scottish Gaelic you would say,
12:12ha ro me.
12:13Now, where I'm from, just, you know, down there,
12:15we all say ha.
12:16I mean, Donegal has a huge history of emigration to Scotland,
12:21and I noticed that the further south we came,
12:24so we'll say, like, South Uist and Barra,
12:27that the pronunciation would be very, very similar
12:29to the way we would pronounce our Gaelic here,
12:33and, again, they would say it's from the fishing,
12:36because years ago people from Tory Island,
12:38back generations would be able to tell you
12:40that when they were fishing,
12:42they might have to call in to Castle Bay
12:44and Barra or something,
12:45and they could converse,
12:46although maybe they didn't understand exactly
12:48what each other was saying,
12:50but if you find a version from Tory Island or from anywhere,
12:54obviously the language is going to be different
12:56because it's going to connect with what was happening
12:58and how it translated while it travelled,
13:01and that's precious.
13:03Towards the coast you'd have more of a fishing community
13:05and probably the songs lent to that,
13:07and in here maybe more the mountains and the glens,
13:11and, again, that's more farming,
13:13and, you know, so, yeah,
13:15it does definitely lend to the dialect
13:17and to the language just in general.
13:19I know I'm putting it on the spot
13:21because I haven't asked you to do this beforehand,
13:23but I can't be talking to you about songs
13:26and teaching and learning without you singing something
13:28because you're phenomenal.
13:31Would you sing me something?
13:33This song in particular,
13:34I remember when I heard it for the first time,
13:36it was Lilith O'Leary who sang it
13:39when he got his grathom,
13:41Did You Care?
13:43marca some roses
13:48vào
13:49áng
13:52áng
13:54áng
13:55áng
13:57áng
14:00áng
14:03áng
14:05áng
14:08áng
14:10áng
14:12áng
14:13Dean
14:18Nana
14:20the
14:22the
14:24pole
14:26I'm
14:28I
14:30started
14:32study
14:34Oh, I didn't want you to stop.
14:57The lyrics are really...
14:58Tell me about the lyrics.
15:00It's this man's unrequited love
15:02and he gets angry throughout the song
15:04and then towards the end
15:06he said
15:08OK, if it's really not for me
15:11that I can't have her
15:12I hope that the man
15:13that she's about to marry
15:14will be going down the road
15:17in front of me
15:18by this time next year
15:20in a coffin.
15:24So there was no mercy there.
15:28And when you're singing it
15:29people say
15:29it's so beautiful
15:30such a lovely love song
15:31I would love that song
15:32at my wedding
15:33and you're like
15:33no you wouldn't.
15:36It's just the sting of the tail.
15:37Yeah.
15:39The poison.
15:40Absolutely, yeah.
15:41Oh, thanks very much for that.
15:43That's gorgeous.
15:47One beautiful way
15:49to learn the dialect
15:50is to master
15:52and understand a song.
15:54Donaloga's a song
15:55everyone sings
15:56all over the island of Ireland
15:59but I want to learn
16:00but I want to learn
16:00the Donegal version.
16:03Moira and Trena
16:04have agreed to teach me
16:05their interpretation
16:06of this song
16:07which I believe
16:08is very different
16:09to all the versions
16:10I've heard on my journey
16:11around Ireland.
16:12Each area
16:13convinced me
16:13that theirs is the best.
16:15This version I think
16:17however
16:17is very beautiful.
16:20So
16:20we're going to do
16:22Donaloga.
16:23Now
16:24I've heard of this song
16:26the whole way along
16:27and
16:27so beautiful
16:29and
16:30it just breaks your heart.
16:32Yeah.
16:32you know
16:33it's that sort of
16:34you know
16:35went to here
16:36do
16:36this
16:36went to her
16:37do
16:37went to
16:38and Galahous
16:39and green
16:40do
16:40you know
16:40and the last line
16:43my greatest fear
16:44that you took
16:45God for me.
16:46So
16:46the old
16:47kind of indication
16:48that
16:49she was in love
16:50with this
16:51beautiful guy
16:52and
16:53wanted everything
16:54and then
16:55he went off
16:56and left her
16:57and
16:57you know
16:58I can hear you
17:00singing it.
17:02singing it.
17:04Thanks.
17:05Thanks.
17:05Thanks.
17:05Thanks.
17:06Thanks.
17:07Oh my God
17:07this place is amazing.
17:08Oh my God
17:09this place is amazing.
17:12Oh
17:15Osa Ghanal Og
17:17is
17:18Tuporna Ghani.
17:19Ngani.
17:20Yeah.
17:21The next two verses
17:22are the ones
17:23that are in
17:24every sort of
17:25version of this.
17:26Okay.
17:26It's the ones
17:27that are kind of
17:27identified.
17:28So it's
17:28A Ghanal Og
17:30is
17:30to
17:31Harfaraga.
17:32Yeah.
17:33So
17:33Donal if you go
17:34away from the sea
17:35yeah.
17:36There's a
17:36one
17:37that's not
17:38Jane
17:38Jaramud.
17:39There's a
17:40one
17:40there's a
17:41one
17:41there's a
17:42one
17:43there's a
17:44but there's
17:45we pronounce it
17:46like there would be
17:47yeah
17:48there would be
17:48there's a
17:49one
17:49that's not
17:50Jane
17:50Dung
17:51Jaramud.
17:52That's another thing
17:53instead of
17:54Dung
17:54we pronounce it
17:55Dung.
17:56Just
17:56Oh
17:57we just
17:57stop.
17:58Yeah.
17:58How am I
17:59ever going to
18:00get my head
18:00around this
18:01I'm so sorry
18:01I'm so sorry
18:02I'm so sorry
18:03but
18:04not
18:05Jane
18:06so it's not
18:06Dung
18:07as in me
18:08you say
18:08Dung
18:09Dung
18:09yeah
18:10okay
18:11Na
18:12and it's not
18:12nigh
18:13it's na
18:14Jane
18:15Dung
18:16Dung
18:16Dung
18:17..but in other parts of Ireland, I'm not mad, it would be no, Jane.
18:47But maybe you shouldn't.
18:50There's so much in this.
18:52Right, I need to get it.
18:56I need to get this right.
19:07Three, four...
19:17MUSIC PLAYS
19:27MUSIC PLAYS
19:31The cool we were
19:35are
19:36now more please nature
19:42show me car is
19:46the
19:47the
19:49the
19:51is
19:53is
19:54Thank you very much.
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