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00:01Hurling is an amateur game played by professionals.
00:06Their commitment is unreal.
00:08The pride in any parish to see their guy, our girl,
00:11lining out in the black and amber,
00:13that's why we flock to see him.
00:17Parts of the county have hurling there for 150 years.
00:21The game represents the values and the communities we play for.
00:25Other superstars at the time, we were super hurlers,
00:30but not the same.
00:32There was an electricity about when he got the ball.
00:35From a very young age, he was so speedy, he was so fast.
00:39The artful Dodger, his classmates were calling him.
00:43He was able to stay out of danger, you see.
00:46And he didn't need to play dirty.
00:50I have to say he was the best I ever saw, really.
00:53There was a huge excitement when he was in form,
00:56and he was definitely the star.
00:59DJ Kerry!
01:04DJ Kerry!
01:05DJ Kerry!
01:07Dennis Joseph Kerry.
01:09When the pressure was on, Kilkenny could rely on DJ.
01:12Probably like Georgie Best in his day.
01:15And they get the chance, and it's for DJ Kerry!
01:18DJ Kerry!
01:19You knew that this was extraordinary,
01:21and you didn't have to be a big hurling fan
01:23to know that you were looking at an absolutely superb athlete.
01:27I can still picture him on the TV, scoring the goals, going for the high ball.
01:40I can still see him, you know.
01:42And he was, he was, he was God.
01:45DJ is God.
01:46In God we trust, in DJ we believe.
01:52If he was a professional today, he'd be worth 50 million.
01:54The right team would be worth nothing.
01:57He seemed to handle that stardom very well on the field.
02:00The stars would give us highs in life.
02:04Every county has their own.
02:06In any of their counties, those people could shoot somebody in their county,
02:10and it wouldn't come up on their CV.
02:13Judge Martin Nolan sentenced him to a total of five and a half years in jail,
02:17saying he couldn't imagine a more reprehensible type of fraud.
02:21You really have to do fairly serious mental acrobatics to get your head around it at all.
02:31I wonder how unhappy a man would have to be,
02:33to be hiding all that behind such a persona,
02:40which was so pure and wholesome.
02:43DJ Carey is accused of inducing 23 people to pay him money
02:47after he had fraudulently claimed to have cancer.
02:51There are very good people in Kilkenny.
02:53They'll have tears in their eyes as they talk about his hurling
02:56and what has happened, and they cannot believe it.
02:59There are others that are absolutely torn by this.
03:02They don't want to talk about the fraud part of this story.
03:06He is the ultimate hitman, and we mean that in the nicest possible way.
03:11DJ Carey.
03:13Kilkenny loved DJ. Why would they not?
03:15We're all responsible for the consequences of our actions.
03:18He was absolutely a master common.
03:22Cheers.
03:23But to this day, if I met him out in the street,
03:25if he wanted to talk to me, I would sit down and have a coffee with him.
03:28I would sit down and have a coffee with him.
03:31I would sit down and have a drink again now.
03:32Un bullseera week.
03:33He has become her's who.
03:34To this day, he has been a huge gain of know�novation
03:36to learn, and the show of them and his family,
03:38he is in the profound and the day.
03:40They were finally talking to me.
03:42It would sit down and say no longer.
03:43It is a wonderful才 multic
03:59For a long time, I didn't allow myself to have an opinion on it.
04:02I just tried to look at the evidence in front of me,
04:06read the text messages, talk to people,
04:09try and figure out what was going on.
04:12But now that I have come to the end of the road
04:16in terms of the investigation or exhausting a lot of avenues,
04:23I would say it looks like it's textbook criminality.
04:27It looks like it's a story of betrayal.
04:33It's the story of a man who was loved by so many people
04:37and ultimately he betrayed their love and their trust in him
04:41because he went back to those very same people
04:44and he took money from them.
04:46And the thing is, I think a lot of them would have given him the money,
04:51but he took it on the basis that he had cancer.
04:57Hi there, it's Imer Nivrenawn here.
05:02I'm just checking in.
05:03I'm just wondering if you had a chance to think about our last conversation.
05:07Obviously, I'm traipsing around the country
05:09trying to get people to talk to me about what is going on at the moment.
05:13There were times when DJ got into some details about his personal life,
05:18so he addressed this issue or the rumour about cancer with journalists.
05:23Dennis Walsh reports that these whispers were persecuting Kerry,
05:27that there was an epidemic of rumours, so many so sinister, so false.
05:32A couple of years ago, he reports a story swept the southern half of the country
05:37that he was dying of cancer.
05:40He knows how it started.
05:42Suffering from stomach pains, he was sent to hospital in Waterford for tests.
05:47The tests took place in the same area of the hospital
05:49that housed the oncology facilities.
05:51Sitting there, he was seen, and from such a sighting, his cancer was born.
05:56So clearly, in the interview, DJ dismissed any suggestion
06:00that he was suffering from cancer.
06:02But it begs the question,
06:05is this where DJ first got the idea about the cancer?
06:12Well, Bernie, how are you?
06:15How's it going?
06:17Thanks a million.
06:18You're very good to tell me about the celebrations that are coming up,
06:23because I wondered about that,
06:24because that 2,000 team,
06:26that was obviously a big year for DJ.
06:29He'd have to be invited to that celebration then,
06:32on All-Ireland Day.
06:34Will they name him out?
06:36Will he get a standing ovation?
06:39Yes.
06:40You'll see what happens at half-time.
06:42Yeah.
06:46As front forward, as DJ Kerry's in the Marlins,
06:49he scored one forward of the day,
06:51sending his turn on a mark of a five in total.
06:54A new deck of AMP would speak for Valentine's Day.
06:57DJ is now with us today.
07:04We actually mes a couple of people from his home town,
07:10in the last week.
07:12compared to a number of years ago where people were almost defending him.
07:16And, you know, he was very revered.
07:18And it was a completely different viewpoint at this time.
07:22It's hard, though, as well, Ger.
07:24I know, like Mag is saying, about the feeling has changed,
07:28which is interesting from some people in Kilkenny,
07:30because at the start there was a lot of disbelief.
07:32But you're in a different circle, in a way, to Mag,
07:35because you are very steeped in the GA.
07:38Is it a difficult position for you to be in?
07:41It's easy to say, oh, I'm angry, I'm, you know, disappointed, I'm...
07:46But, like, it's a total, you know, it's like a concoction of feelings, really.
07:51And I think, you know, the general public really are probably in a similar position.
07:56You know, look, now, sitting back,
08:00I wasn't able to see beyond my decency or our decency.
08:05I mean, you played on your vulnerability,
08:07which, you know, is really, it is unforgivable, really.
08:10I do know a person who rang me, who talked about...
08:13He had given some money to, I think, about 5,000.
08:16And he said if his wife found out, she would divorce him.
08:20So he was busy doing all the hours God gave to try and replenish that fund.
08:24Because she didn't know and she would never know,
08:27and he would never talk about it.
08:28And it was people like that.
08:30That was probably the day I decided, hang on here now.
08:33I just need to talk about this.
08:39How many people do you know personally give DJ Kerry money?
08:44I'd say about 10.
08:52About 10.
08:54For sure.
08:56I regard myself as being a very lucky person in terms of everything,
09:04despite having cancer.
09:06When Gerard came home one day and said,
09:08listen, I got a phone call, a very strange request from DJ Kerry.
09:11He's looking for 5,000.
09:12And he basically said, he's got your cancer.
09:15And I said, you're choking me.
09:16That's gas, you know?
09:17Kenny Hurling circles is a small place and you know, you're at matches.
09:22You knew him, you know, maybe to say hello to him, maybe a few words,
09:27but like it was, it was, there was nothing.
09:29In passing, he mentioned that a space had come available at short in order
09:34in this center where he gets his stem cells.
09:38And he had a shortfall of monies and he needed,
09:41he needed money to get there and get his treatment.
09:45And that he would repay the money upon, you know,
09:48when his insurance kicked in.
09:52Gerard just talked about that hospital in Seattle
09:55when he was in America getting treatment, blah, blah, blah.
09:57And I remember kind of taking it in, but not really.
09:59I said, if he needs the money, that's fine.
10:01I was a bit surprised.
10:03I knew his business had been in difficulty.
10:05He wasn't well, so maybe he wasn't working.
10:08You know, I believed Gerard's story.
10:10And I said, I remember saying to Gerard,
10:12we have to presume we're never going to get that money back.
10:14And I said, it doesn't matter.
10:16It's 5,000.
10:17And if he needs the money, just give it to him.
10:20That's it.
10:21He's won in 2003 and Kilkenny are champions.
10:26You were very upset at the time that all the papers literally lit upon you
10:33at the time of your marriage break-up.
10:35How difficult was that?
10:36It was a marriage break-up.
10:39It was difficult.
10:43That's life, unfortunately.
10:45I'm a public figure.
10:46Amateur or not, I'm a public figure.
10:48But it's the stuff when they make up a story to get a story.
10:52I suppose it's what's most upsetting.
10:57And I'm a big person.
10:58I'm an adult.
10:59If I do something, I have to put my hand up and say,
11:01yes, I done that.
11:02I knew what I was doing, you know.
11:04So, and if that gets into the public arena, I can't help that.
11:09When DJ Carey himself addressed the rumours,
11:14he was given more fuel all the time to the fire
11:17and there was more intrigue.
11:18Lo and behold, a few weeks later, he's in the headlines again.
11:22There was a front page story about how he had gone into the garage
11:27at Crookstown in County Kildare.
11:29He had stopped off.
11:31He left the keys in the car, left thousands of euro in the boot
11:36and he came out and the car was on its way up the road.
11:40So, the headline that the examiner went with,
11:44that was on that front page was,
11:46speedy DJ turns the tables on car thief.
11:50That was the front page on how the country's leading GAA star
11:54apparently proved to be just as worthy an opponent off the pitch as on.
11:58So, he jumped into an onlooker's car, they reported.
12:01He pursued the thief himself,
12:03even though Gardie were aware there was a guard of cars,
12:07there was a guard of helicopter.
12:09The journalist said that this story ended
12:12with Carey tracking down the thief,
12:14pulling him out of the BMW.
12:16However, the culprit eventually got away.
12:20So, he managed to recover his car,
12:23but it was reported that several phones,
12:25as well as two and a half grand in cash were taken
12:27and the culprit was still on the run last night.
12:30It just seems like mad stuff.
12:33Thinking back, some of the detail of it was really extraordinary.
12:42It's absolutely crazy when you think of how many thousand miles this man drove.
12:47Who would do it?
12:48From Meishal in County Carlow all the way up to Armagh to some GAA hall.
12:54This was on another level.
12:56Now, usually hurlers could command a fee.
12:59They could get some cash, maybe five or six hundred pounds,
13:03and an envelope to say thanks to them for doing a gig like that.
13:07There were people I spoke to that said,
13:09listen, DJ Carey came here.
13:11When we tried to pay him, he'd wave the hand and say,
13:14ah, the cup of tea is grand.
13:18I don't think DJ Carey was in it for the money.
13:20I don't think DJ Carey was pocketing huge amounts of money
13:23from these public appearances.
13:28He was very attention-seeking behind it all.
13:30He craved, desperately craved, people's approval.
13:34So, in terms of his public profile, the perception of him,
13:42he had an excellent reputation.
13:47Because there were times when he walked into a parish,
13:50and he was like God.
13:52God.
14:01After one particular gem,
14:02and this ball was doing a river dance in the back of the net,
14:05I just said, God, in his heavenly throne,
14:09couldn't do that.
14:10I don't think we knew DJ.
14:21I don't think any of those people,
14:23they knew, they knew the persona.
14:28The thing about DJ is, he was a very strange man.
14:32There's an Irish saying,
14:33if you want to know me, come live with me.
14:35And I think the people that really know DJ Carey,
14:38they spent a period of time actually living with him.
14:42Female relationships, ex-girlfriends, his former wife,
14:46they are the people that will know what the real DJ Carey is like.
14:50Because it's very hard to keep a persona or a mask on 24-7.
14:58I don't know, is anyone ever comfortable with the profile?
15:02It's there, it's something, you know,
15:04I've played our national sport at the highest level.
15:07I've been very lucky.
15:08DJ is spending more time all over the country.
15:12There was a suggestion a DJ was out maybe looking for somebody
15:16in terms of an agent of sorts.
15:19So it was reported in the media that Barbara Gallivan was DJ Carey's new agent.
15:25But Barbara had a good friend, Sarah Newman.
15:28The Dragons all know what it takes to be successful in the fiercely competitive world of business.
15:33Essex girl Sarah Newman made her fortune by setting up and selling the needahotel.com website.
15:40Sarah had been hugely successful in business.
15:47So she was known, got the name as The Dragon because she was on Dragon's Den.
15:52But certainly there was lots of extraordinary stories about her wealth at the time.
15:58For example, Sarah Newman went to Mount Juliet one day.
16:02That she had half a million and that she bought a home in Mount Juliet.
16:05And it is that day that she met DJ Carey.
16:09Sarah was the one with the money.
16:12DJ was the one with the profile.
16:14But as soon as he met Sarah, he stepped into a different world.
16:18Cheers.
16:33Country's still digesting the news that DJ's marriage is over.
16:37Five months later, he's out with Sarah Newman.
16:41Huge flurry of media interest.
16:43Cheers.
16:44DJ didn't exactly keep his head down.
16:47So you're fed up with the weather back home.
16:49You want a bit of golf?
16:50You want a bit of sun?
16:51Why not come to one of my favourite places in the world, Sun City?
16:54He went off and filmed a programme with RT, No Frontiers.
16:58And that's how he announced his relationship to Sarah, to the wider world.
17:02They went on a safari to South Africa.
17:04So for a fella who was criven about privacy issues,
17:07why would you go off and film a programme with your new girlfriend?
17:12Come on!
17:14Number 14 down there is my boyfriend.
17:16So that's why I'm interested.
17:19Kilkenny are producing players all the time.
17:21While it's an end of an era for some players, it's the start for others.
17:26DJ was coming to the end of his career.
17:28He was getting older as a hurler.
17:30He had given a huge amount to Kilkenny hurling.
17:33End of an era.
17:34DJ Kerry has confirmed his inter-county career is over.
17:38He didn't owe the supporters anything, but definitely his dedication would have been dwindling towards the end.
17:45He seemed to be very interested in the golf now.
17:48And in heading out to the K Club and Mount Juliet to hit a few balls.
17:53He says he had no interest in the socialite scene, but yet himself and Sarah were pictured at many events like that.
18:02There were so many articles about them.
18:04Their names were mentioned many times in social diaries in the Irish Independent and elsewhere.
18:09And between them, they were a real Celtic Tiger power couple.
18:21I was a member of Mount Juliet since it opened.
18:24I would have often met DJ up there, played with him a couple of times up there.
18:29Knew him pretty well, to be honest with you too.
18:32His partner, Sarah and I would have came across as well.
18:42He came across as so honest and truthful.
18:47An absolute gentleman that wouldn't know a lie if it bit him.
18:54I would never have questioned anything.
18:58I met him at Mount Juliet one day.
19:03He was telling me he'd been for an operation over in the States.
19:07And all I can tell you is it was stomach-turning what he described, what he went through over in the States.
19:18And the operation he had on his stomach.
19:21This is a jersey that DJ signed for me.
19:31One of a number of items, the autograph for me.
19:36The hurling?
19:37He needed at least one or two more treatments.
19:42And he was financially in a bad situation.
19:46I was probably, at the time, just lucky.
19:50I had retired and I had a lump sum between finishing up work and my pension.
19:58So I did have money to spare.
20:00This hurl was made by DJ's brother.
20:04He's personally signed it to myself.
20:08I'll forever treasure this hurl for what it represents for the greatest hurler of all time.
20:17I had 700 or 800 on me the first day that I met him.
20:20So I gave him that and told him, look, I'd see what I could do.
20:23I didn't promise anything to him, but I think it was afterwards that I gave him the 10.
20:28You gave him 10,000.
20:30Yeah.
20:31And I gave him three, I think, after that, and 1,500, 1,500.
20:37About 17, I think, in total.
20:40Things were great when Sarah was a multi-millionaire.
20:55Celtic Tiger times, plenty of wealth going around.
20:58DJ was certainly enjoying himself.
21:01Life was good in the K Club, but obviously, you know what came afterwards.
21:05The crash, the fact that the properties that they paid multi-million euro prices for,
21:10like they weren't worth a fraction of it at the end.
21:13Once the banks wanted their money back,
21:16and once things started to get very stressful for the pair of them,
21:20the cracks started to appear.
21:22DJ's business was under pressure.
21:25So while the business was small, he had always managed to make a living out of it
21:29and to employ people from it.
21:31But Katrina, obviously, was really involved around this time.
21:35Around 2009, she had to step away.
21:39Newman took over as director with DJ at that stage.
21:46And she called in the auditors because she wasn't happy with what she saw.
21:53She also spoke to media about it.
21:55So this caused a massive issue for DJ and his family.
21:58Katrina was very unhappy with all of that.
22:06She had the media at her door in the period afterwards when all of this became public.
22:12So it got really, really dirty.
22:14Properties owned by him at golf resorts, the K Club in Kildare,
22:17and Mount Juliet in Kilkenny, that had been used as security for the debt.
22:21Other assets were sold too.
22:23The banks then on their tails as a couple.
22:26Then 2011, you know, they tried to save the relationship.
22:30There was talk at one stage that they'd get married even.
22:34For Sarah, she had actually planned the wedding.
22:37She had an exclusive interview on the 22nd of April 2012,
22:41when she said that the relationship with DJ was over.
22:47The Dragon and DJ were no more.
22:55Lo and behold, within weeks, DJ's back grabbing the headlines.
22:58This time, he was in Kilkenny Garda Station,
23:01apparently he was filling out a form or something like that,
23:04when he took some kind of a turn and he collapsed.
23:11In 2012, you collapsed.
23:13And your son, Mikey, heard the cruelest rumour of them all, which was what?
23:20He was told by a young fellow in his class that came out on Facebook
23:23that I had committed suicide.
23:25You know, so you can imagine how difficult that was
23:28and how difficult it was for him.
23:30Do you know what happened in terms of the cause of that collapse?
23:33Well, the cause of it was I was carrying a virus around my heart wall,
23:39which is called pericarditis.
23:40OK.
23:41Stress causes it, whatever else, and that brought it on.
23:44So, you know, but thankfully I was in the right place at the right time.
23:48Did you ever sustain, do you think?
23:50DJ did a very high-profile interview,
23:53and he alludes to health in that interview, but it's really confusing.
23:57Right, well, that answers that question.
23:59But the other thing...
24:00Didn't you have a brain scan in hospital, DJ?
24:01I did, yeah.
24:02But the other thing I want to say about, you know, what I found was...
24:05There had even been rumours at that stage that there was something up with DJ.
24:09People were nearly afraid to say the word cancer,
24:12but certainly DJ left us with the impression that he had something serious wrong with him.
24:17What did the brain scan that you had in hospital show up?
24:20Well, I had a double aneurysm, and I had seven blood clots.
24:23Sheepers.
24:24Yeah.
24:25You tend to believe people when they say that something happened to them,
24:32but when it's something medical, it's extraordinarily difficult,
24:35because doctors can't verify a story for you about patients,
24:38and if the horse's mouth is telling you,
24:40well, yeah, I did go to America, and I had clots on my brain.
24:45And maybe he did.
24:48But like everything with DJ, there's question marks.
24:52Because we don't know what's true and what's false,
24:55so he's a bit like the boy who cried wolf.
24:57It's very hard to know where the truth lies.
25:10When I heard about the cancer,
25:12I would say I probably neither believed it nor disbelieved it.
25:17It was just another story about DJ.
25:21And look, if you told me that DJ was going to the moon,
25:25I would have said, yeah, whatever.
25:29It might be true.
25:31Probably wasn't true, but you never know.
25:38He came in occasionally as a customer.
25:40You'd see him now and...
25:41Over the years?
25:42Over the years, yeah.
25:43Yeah.
25:44He always sat at those two tables with his back to the wall,
25:47where the sign 17 is, there, or the other one over there.
25:50He always sat there, looking down this way.
25:54Do you think he was targeting people?
25:57No, with hindsight, you're thinking, yeah,
25:59he was seeing who his next mark was going to be almost, you know.
26:04There was one man coming in here,
26:05and he was involved in the hurling community.
26:08He was a businessman.
26:10And he just told me that he'd give DJ money.
26:14And I can still remember seeing him standing up there,
26:18talking with DJ, you know.
26:20So, the money is part of it,
26:22but I think the real lack of confidence and respect
26:26that you lose when someone you hold in high regard
26:31just lets you down a bit, I suppose.
26:39A friend of mine down in Kilkenny
26:41was walking through the lobby in the hotel,
26:43and there was DJ sitting there.
26:45And he asked my friend for my phone number.
26:51I'd heard that he wasn't well,
26:53that he had a very, very serious condition.
26:59There was a killer disease,
27:01but the treatment that he was getting in Seattle was working.
27:05He phoned me.
27:07He needed funds.
27:09My first reaction, of course,
27:11whatever we can do, we'll do it.
27:17I had a pub that I found in Spain, Paddy's Bind.
27:19We were making lots of money.
27:21In Spain, my son Ian, DJ, would have been his idol as well.
27:25And I said to Ian, we have to do something.
27:29We have to do something for DJ.
27:31And he agreed with that, you know.
27:33On the Friday, he rang me,
27:37and he said that he was going to Seattle on Tuesday.
27:39He says, Bernie, you're immersed in the GAA there in Westmeath,
27:43and you know the people, you know all the clubs.
27:45Could you get the clubs to raise some funds for this, for me?
27:49I said, of course I will, DJ,
27:51but it has to start in Kilkenny.
27:53And by this time, I said, surely,
27:55even to tide you over,
27:57I said, surely there must be,
27:59even to tide you over,
28:01there must be people down in Kilkenny after you've done all you've done for Kilkenny.
28:07Yeah, he said, I can't do anything down there.
28:09I get nothing down there on account of the sister.
28:11Yeah.
28:13He said the scandal with his sister had broken at that time,
28:21and I can't set up anything in Kilkenny.
28:25A former Ireland hockey international and camogie player faces three charges of money laundering between January of 2019 and December 2021,
28:35having falsely represented that Carey's Fort Asset Estates was in a position to secure finance for distressed mortgage holders,
28:42and that the deposit was refundable.
28:48DJ Carey, while what he was doing was completely separate to his sister,
28:53they were on two different paths.
28:55But all the time while the focus was on Katrina,
28:58people were wondering, what if he's not credible?
29:01What if he's been telling us lies?
29:04People started to scrutinise things a little bit more carefully.
29:10When Katrina's story was exposed,
29:12there was all of a sudden a lot of attention on the Careys,
29:16and that wouldn't have suited DJ.
29:18Katrina Carey, Paul Murphy here from RT Investigates.
29:20I'd like to ask you about your business and your business practices, please, if you have a moment.
29:23The news with his sister had broken at this stage.
29:29So I was taken aback.
29:30And then Ian, in Spain, he heard something as well.
29:36We were going to give him five grand.
29:38He said, hold back on that.
29:39He said, there's something not right.
29:43He said, give him a thousand first, and we'll see how it goes.
29:48I rang DJ.
29:53There was silence.
29:56I knew that he didn't consider that any good, you know.
29:58And I felt bad.
30:00And I knew then, as nice as DJ is,
30:04I knew that he really was not happy.
30:12I had a quick conversation with my brother,
30:14and I said to him, you know, what's DJ Carey like?
30:17And he just said to me, stay away from him.
30:19Something not right there.
30:20I said, you know, he's very sick.
30:21Not at all.
30:22There's nothing wrong with him.
30:23Be careful.
30:24Stay away from him.
30:25And then I decided, hmm, right,
30:27I think we might have a little bit of a problem here.
30:33There came a point, I think,
30:34like, all of a sudden realised here,
30:36maybe that there was some level,
30:37something deceitful about what was going on.
30:40She found the strength and just said to me, like,
30:45being fiercely determined that this wasn't going to happen to another person.
30:49She just said, enough is enough, that's it.
30:51End of story.
30:52This is not going to happen to anyone else.
30:53This is DJ Carey, your DJ tonight.
31:06Yeah.
31:07At the time, it never even occurred to me that anybody could be so devious or molestive to tell somebody that had a cancer.
31:18And even worse to say to tell the husband of a recently diagnosed person that had the same cancer.
31:24I couldn't, I didn't believe in anyone that could be that evil to do that.
31:29So I absolutely never, never occurred to me that he didn't have cancer.
31:33Never.
31:34I still was very, you know, maybe I do want the money back now.
31:38If he's getting the insurance money.
31:41So I sent a message to DJ and again, he come back, oh, yeah, yeah, I'll do it next week.
31:46And that went down for a number of weeks.
31:48Then he'd go back and say, well, I have to transfer.
31:51He started to talk in riddles a bit.
31:54And I began to, I suppose, realise over time that something wasn't quite right here.
32:00I'm checking my matchup.
32:03OK.
32:04So I got a call one day from a very successful businessman.
32:08And he said, hi, Mike, how are things?
32:11And I said, great, how are you?
32:13I won't mention his name.
32:14And he said, do you know DJ Carey?
32:18And I said to him, how much did you give him, you big eejit?
32:24And he said, oh, my God, yeah, I heard, I got your name was mentioned.
32:27And I discovered that this person had given well in excess of 100,000.
32:33If it works out, brilliant.
32:35And if it doesn't, well, you have to take the flack afterwards.
32:38So tell us, did DJ ask you for a loan?
32:53Oh, DJ?
32:54Oh, sure.
32:55The usual stuff.
32:57It didn't add up.
32:59I met him another day and he says, just after getting a full body blood transfusion the previous week, and he was carrying a bag.
33:11And I said, Jesus, that's amazing.
33:12I said, you're, I think there's some man for one man.
33:15And, but I thought to myself, you know, this doesn't sound right, doesn't even, even sound kosher even.
33:23So I asked a friend of mine who's a doctor, you see, and I said, listen, I said, if somebody had a full body blood transfusion, how long would it take to recover?
33:32And he says, Jesus, he says, depends on the system and their body and where they were and all the rest of it.
33:37And he says, three months plus.
33:39So I said, so he asked me afterwards, do you think about it?
33:43I says, no, I did it.
33:44But I says, no, it won't be, can you do anything for you?
33:47There was a friend of mine then, okay, he came to me and he told me he gave him money.
33:50And I says, are you sure that was the right thing to do?
33:54And he says, well, I felt it was right.
33:56And do you know much again?
33:58I'm not sure.
33:59I'm not sure.
34:00He didn't specify the amount, but it was too sizable.
34:03So this was more than 15,000 a year.
34:12He's a very capable man, very eloquent, you know, very clever man.
34:18He's not, he's not stupid, you know, by any means.
34:24I have nothing but fond memories of DHA, very grateful to him.
34:28He has always been good and kind, remembered me.
34:31He invited us to his wedding and the launch of his book, the day in City West when the DVD was launched by the Taoiseach at the time, Bertie Aron.
34:46Some of the lads that heard with DJ when the bad news broke, they said, they stuck by him.
34:53Because they said, well, he's messed up, but we wouldn't have got where we are without him.
34:59We owe him, we owe him an awful lot.
35:01I spoke to him once for a while on the phone there.
35:08On the surface, he was saying everything seemed to be going well, like he was going to take this court case and take that.
35:14The police had confiscated his phone and gone after people to try and get a case against him.
35:21And things were bad, but he was optimistic, you know.
35:31You see, when you look at it, like, he has to have been run and scared for the last 20 years.
35:35He must have been, or the last 10 years.
35:37Like when the news broke about his sister, he knew that his finances were going to be looked at.
35:42So he must have been, like, what sort of life had he?
35:58There are some moments where you think, like, how could he have gotten to this point?
36:03Like this point of desperation.
36:12I don't know the date that this photograph was taken originally, but this photo emerged and it was on loads of different forums, platforms, social media, Twitter, WhatsApp.
36:31Every group in the country nearly was sharing this image of DJ.
36:35From what I can see, it appears to be a photograph that DJ took that he sent to somebody.
36:44Maybe somebody he was interacting with around treatment and looking for money or whatever.
36:50It looked like some kind of a charger, iPhone or otherwise stuck inside his nose.
36:55A fairly lame attempt, really, to show treatment for cancer.
37:01And it's hard to think, you know, that anybody would believe that.
37:08But then when you compare that to what some of the people who were really involved with DJ,
37:15they recognised things in the photograph that said to me and said to others, said to their friends,
37:20that would be DJ all over, that he was quite creative, that he thought that he was smart.
37:26Like, just all very, very strange stuff.
37:29I remember saying to someone, what were people thinking giving him money?
37:35And they said, if you had a million euro and DJ asked you for a hundred grand, would you give it to him?
37:42And I said, yeah, you know, I would.
37:44You would?
37:45Yeah.
37:46I would have.
37:47If he had asked me, I would have given it to him.
37:48Now, I would have had to.
37:49I don't have a hundred grand to hand out.
37:51But if I had, if I was well off and he asked me, I would have given it to him.
37:55Why?
37:56And I think that because, because we loved him so much as a hurler.
38:00That picture, I suppose, is extremely special.
38:12I got it after the 2003 All-Ireland DJ was signing autographs, as he usually does for everybody.
38:21And my daughter, Bridget, was in the photo along with my niece, Jenny.
38:26And to have a photograph like that for me and for them as well, it's just a treasure to have that.
38:37And after what's happened, I couldn't leave it in the hallway anymore.
38:46So rather than throw it in the bin, there's still history there.
38:52So it's just as greatly put aside in the front room now.
38:56I remember thinking to myself, it was the principal.
39:09I'm going to get my money back.
39:11How am I going to do it?
39:13So I literally started to play his game.
39:16I literally started to play the DJ Gary game.
39:22That's how I got my money back.
39:24Me and you against the world, DJ.
39:26Everybody thinks you're a bad guy.
39:27You're not a bad guy.
39:28I know you're a good guy.
39:30I know where you've come from.
39:31You're a role model for my kids.
39:35You know, I'll work with you, DJ.
39:36Because I know you're going to give me the money back.
39:39Because you know, if you don't, you wouldn't have to see your name spread across the front of the Irish Times.
39:45Because everybody loves DJ Gary.
39:48And that wouldn't be something you'd want.
39:50Because I know your reputation is so important to you, DJ.
39:53It's more important than that 5,000.
39:58Time was moving on.
39:59It was getting closer and closer for me to go into isolation pre-stem cell transplant.
40:04And I rang him and said, okay, I need this money by Monday.
40:11Would I come meet him?
40:12I said, no, you come meet me in Goatsbridge.
40:14I wasn't going to be there.
40:15He didn't know that.
40:16And I rang Gary.
40:17He was up in the factory.
40:18And he came down from the factory to meet DJ.
40:20And I sent a text to DJ on that stage and said, by the way, I'm really sorry DJ.
40:25I got stuck down in the hospital just getting bloods.
40:28Gerald meets you.
40:29Hope that's okay.
40:30She said, he'll have 5,000 euro for you.
40:33Will you check it?
40:34So, I came in.
40:37I counted the money.
40:39I think I said to him, that was grand.
40:43He didn't say hello.
40:44He was embarrassed.
40:45For sure.
40:46I think he was embarrassed.
40:47But, you know, maybe embarrassing.
40:50But there was shame or some element of, you know, he realized here that he had fucked with the wrong person.
41:00So, Jerry rang me at the happiest one.
41:02They'd had the coffee, the trash.
41:04I got the money.
41:05And I'm more laughing because I just said to myself, poor Becker, who did he get the five grand from?
41:10I'm embarrassed by all this in lots of ways.
41:16Maggie said to me, oh, cop yourself on.
41:19Like, kind of, you know, what are you embarrassed about?
41:22This man was, like, unfortunately, like, you know, a con man.
41:26He was taking monies off lots of people.
41:28And a few of these stories were kind of outlined.
41:31And then, I think, you know, there was a call then for a guard investigation.
41:40So, I got a phone call from a detective.
41:43The reason that they had my name was because they had, obviously, his bank records.
41:47And they asked me would I come and speak to him.
41:51So, I went down to Waterford and I sat there and I told my story.
41:55I felt it was important to stop him in his tracks.
42:01I won't protect him, but I will protect anybody who comes in contact with them from it happening to them.
42:09Absolutely.
42:14The guards rang me one day and the first thing they said to me is,
42:18I believe you're a friend of DJ Carey's.
42:22And I said, yeah, I am.
42:24And then I said, look, before we go on, can you categorically tell me that DJ never had an operation for cancer in the States?
42:39I'd say I'd give him an Oscar for the acting.
42:53It was unreal.
42:54The thing about it is, I never, I didn't care whether I got the money back.
43:00He would have got the money anyhow from me even if he wasn't sick.
43:03That's what, that's what an icon he was.
43:07He didn't have to say he was sick even.
43:09It's because he used the sickness.
43:12That's brought the star out to everybody's door.
43:18The judge said most fraudsters seek to exploit people's greed,
43:22but DJ Carey had exploited people's good nature.
43:25He knew a lot of these people.
43:27They knew him as a formidable sportsman and wanted to help him in his hour of need.
43:32There's an old Chinese proverb, no man should be judged on his worst deed, you know.
43:41Now the only thing that soured me, I had a good friend that we buried early this year, Jono Mahoney.
43:49And Jono was equally iconic in the GA as DJ.
43:56And he was one of the loveliest guys you could meet.
44:00Jono had the disease the DJ claimed he had.
44:04And Jono, the dignity with which he fought it and carried himself.
44:08That was the difference between two GA sporting icons.
44:13I resented very much then for the first and only time I resented what DJ was doing, you know, on account of that.
44:20I'm sure it would be a disappointing turn for the average supporter, but it won't make any difference to me in how I look at the game of hurling.
44:42I'll still see that ball hitting the crossbar in Croke Park.
44:51I'll still see the crowd getting up on their seats.
44:54Highs in life and memorable moments.
44:57Then no prosecutor or no journalist give me that moment.
45:06I won't get that spark that made my life a higher quality elsewhere.
45:16Yeah, I do remember the way he made me feel.
45:19And I don't know, I don't think it just excuses bad behaviour, you know.
45:26It doesn't, I'm sorry.
45:28We look at it, it's everywhere.
45:31It's in arts, it's in film.
45:33What do we think of the Woody Allen masterpieces?
45:35What do we think of Caravaggio's?
45:37Do we still listen to thriller?
45:39You know, like, what do you do with that huge moral dilemma about the sinner and the sin?
45:48And I think we loved the sinner, but we can't condole the sin.
45:53I'm disgusted.
46:03Your wife died of cancer.
46:05Oh gosh, yeah.
46:06Did DJ know that?
46:08Oh sure, that was, you know, like you can't live my life and live the life I've lived in front of people.
46:17Like when my wife died, like I've seen what cancer does.
46:21And I've seen the devastation that cancer can have and I've seen the devastation that cancer had in our house.
46:27And the effort that it took to get to the stage we're at now.
46:33But as regards DJ, DJ would have known, like, but for somebody, for anybody to say that they suffer from cancer, and it's not, if it's not true.
46:47That's, that's, there's no comment back.
46:49You just could, you can't be comfortable with that.
46:51That to me is beyond it.
46:53DJ has been jailed now for five and a half years.
47:02It's really hard to say exactly how much he took.
47:05Some sources are saying to me that two million wouldn't be wide off the mark.
47:09Businessman Dennis O'Brien alone gave DJ over €125,000 and €13,000.
47:17There's victims watching this and they've never come forward.
47:20Some men will be afraid to have told their wives.
47:23But the question is, how many of them are out there and how much was taken?
47:28Former Kilkenny hurler DJ Kerry has been jailed for five and a half years for defrauding people by falsely claiming he had cancer and needed money for treatment.
47:44Kerry defrauded 22 people out of almost €400,000, around €350,000 of which has never been repaid.
47:53The judge said he couldn't imagine a more reprehensible form of fraud.
47:58I was delighted when he pleaded guilty because he's now facing up to the reality because he wasn't living in a real world up to now.
48:14When you have an addiction problem, and obviously DJ has a type of addiction, you have to face the truth yourself.
48:22And hopefully he will.
48:27And when he was a hurler, he never failed to take responsibility.
48:31Standing up in Croke Park to take a penalty shot in an all Ireland final day, that takes guts.
48:38So that if he shows the same type of resilience and determination and guts, he can get through this as well.
48:47To me, anyway, it's Shakespearean tragedy, a fatal flaw in a grand person.
49:01But it was of his own making.
49:02But it was of his own making.
49:03It was of his own making.
49:04He had been great.
49:05So you know what?
49:06So if he has a committed suicide.
49:09You don't know what?
49:11You want to know what happened?
49:14You have to know what happened.
49:15But you need to know what happened.
49:17You can see that you're here.
49:19This wasn't the talk.
49:20You can see it.
49:21But you have to know what happened.
49:22You just didn't know what happened.
49:23You have to know what happened.
49:24You have to know what happened.
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