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00:00Hello and welcome to the start of your Thursday evening live on the One Show with Alex Jones
00:11and Roman Kemp. Lots coming up tonight including a really powerful film with actor Cara Toynton.
00:17Now she's meeting women who like her have had preventative surgery after genetic tests revealed
00:22they were at risk of breast and ovarian cancer. Their inspirational stories are coming up in just
00:28a moment. Yeah and we've also got some brilliant guests on the sofa. One starred in everything
00:33from Alan Bennett's History Boys to BAFTA winning sitcom Juice whilst the other has brought us
00:39stunning performances in The Morning Show and Marvel's Loki. But tonight Russell Tovey and
00:44Gugu Mbarta Roar will be telling us all about teaming up for the highly anticipated new Doctor
00:49Who spin-off written by Russell T Davies which sees humans and sea creatures go head to head.
00:55Yeah, obviously. And they'll be joined by the reigning champion of Taskmaster. Comedian
01:00Macy Adam will be revealing how watching The Lionesses helped inspire her stand-up show.
01:06And she's not the only comedian we're featuring on the show tonight. Later on Jenny Eclare
01:10and fellow art lover Ian H. Watkins explore the epic rivalry between two of Britain's greatest
01:16artists Turner and Constable.
01:18Plus, all week we've been celebrating teachers and support staff from around the UK. Tonight we'll
01:24be revealing the National Teaching Award for Unsung Hero and it's another emotional one.
01:30It is, yes. Later on you'll see the moment I had the privilege of surprising Lee Smith from Norwich
01:35with the news that he had won. He was in tears, I was in tears, everybody cried. Lee is such a superstar
01:42and you'll find out why later in the show.
01:45So lots coming up, but first we're starting with that inspirational film from actor Cara
01:50Toynton who recently faced a life-changing decision and now wants to share her story.
01:57In 2018, while my mum Carol was being treated for ovarian cancer, I learned through genetic testing
02:03that I carry the BRCA1 gene, putting me at higher risk of both breast and ovarian cancer.
02:09It was incredibly daunting at the time, but I think pragmatically I knew I had a decision
02:16to make and one that could help keep me healthy for my kids.
02:20For me, preventative surgery felt right. Last year I had two operations, a double mastectomy
02:27and later the removal of my fallopian tubes. It wasn't an easy decision, but one I'm very
02:33glad and lucky I made. And I can now, with hindsight, talk about it properly.
02:42After I shared my post on social media, so many women with BRCA reached out to me,
02:47each with their own story. Today I'm meeting some of them.
02:50I had my preventative breast surgery when I was 30 and then my preventative ovary surgery when I was 35.
02:59My mum got tested. She's got the BRCA gene. Yeah, I had the BRCA gene, but my sister didn't.
03:04And yeah, I had to go on to double mastectomy, yeah, this year.
03:08So I'm pretty much six months out of my surgery. My mum got her BRCA2 result back in 2002,
03:16and it took them four and a half years to get the results, because it was like right at the early
03:20stages of them starting to think about BRCA testing here. I think my result came through in two weeks.
03:26It's like a reminder that medical research is evolving so quickly.
03:31Survivor rates for many cancers are far better than 20 years ago,
03:35thanks in part to improved screening programmes. Funded by Prevent Breast Cancer and the Manchester
03:41Foundation Trust charity, a new training facility for the National Breast Imaging Academy has now
03:47opened its doors. It will train 50 specialists each year and create 13,000 extra screening appointments.
03:55Apprentices and graduates have joined from across the UK, including Kate, a former dog groomer.
04:02What do you enjoy most about your role? I love working with a big team of people that are
04:07helping ladies. We get to see them at the beginning of their journey, because we're the first protocol.
04:13Obviously they come and have the mammogram before anything else. And then if they have had to go
04:17through for surgery or anything like that, we're at the end of their journey as well.
04:22At the Manchester Breast Centre, Dr. Sasha Howell from the University of Manchester has partnered
04:28with Breast Cancer Now to pioneer a landmark treatment for the disease, which he's revealing
04:33to us in a TV exclusive. We've got some really interesting data to suggest that blocking the
04:40female hormone progesterone may be a really, really big advance in what we can do to prevent
04:45really aggressive breast cancers. He's also been working on innovative new screening methods,
04:51targeting younger women who have no family history of breast cancer.
04:55Some women are more susceptible to certain cancers. It doesn't necessarily mean they carry the BRCA genes.
05:03For women who don't have a family history, there is still a genetic risk of breast cancer that we
05:08can identify through something called a polygenic risk score. And this is something that we're
05:12investigating in a study called BCAN-RAE, trying to identify women who don't have a family history,
05:18but do have an increased risk, and then offering those women early screening.
05:23For you and the research you're doing, how hopeful are you for the future?
05:28We will get to a point where we have a much greater understanding of who is at risk
05:33of breast cancer, who's at high enough risk to warrant the sort of surgery that you've had.
05:37So if we get the prevention side of things right, and actually this is a win-win.
05:42Do you have any advice for people who are thinking about delving into learning about their own
05:50personal genetics? What would you say to them?
05:52It's important to take that time and make your own decision. It doesn't matter what anyone else wants
05:57to do. It is awareness and putting out there basically, really. Just find a community and to
06:03talk about it and to really embrace it as an opportunity to make an empowered decision.
06:09To hear the advancements coming about in screening, research, treatment of breast cancer,
06:16means that there's a real positive horizon for treating and extending and saving more and more
06:22people's lives.
06:26That's really, really, I mean it's encouraging to hear that research is making such a positive
06:30impact as well. Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much to Cara and everybody in that film
06:34for sharing their stories with us. That's really powerful, isn't it?
06:37Yeah.
06:38Still to come, I'll be surprising another winner of this year's National Teaching Awards,
06:42unsung hero Lee Smith, who plays a vital role in his school community.
06:47The time now to introduce tonight's guests. Please welcome
06:50comedian Macy Elham and actors Russell Tovey and Gugu Batta-Raw.
06:53Welcome. Hello, everybody. Lots to get through tonight, but we're going to start because obviously
07:02today the Christmas television schedules have been released. And of course, Russell, you were a big
07:08part of last year's with Gavin and Stacey, which we all absolutely adored, including you. It was so
07:15good. I mean, I was nervous because, you know, it's sometimes hard to wrap up all of the,
07:20yeah, the extra sort of ties and get an ending that everyone was happy with. But it was,
07:26it was phenomenal. I know. I'm worried for this year's Christmas now. I'm worried. But thankfully,
07:31you too.
07:31We are.
07:32Nice one.
07:33How was that segway, guys?
07:35Very, very good.
07:37Amazing.
07:37Watch out.
07:38We'll be talking comedy with Macy very shortly. But first, we are entering the Hooniverse because
07:43Russell and Gugu are starring in a brand new drama set in the world of Doctor Who.
07:47Well, it's set on Earth and it all starts when a mysterious species emerges from the
07:52ocean and threatens to wage war on humans for polluting their home. Here's an exclusive look.
07:57The tides have drawn us together.
08:03We would speak with him.
08:06Me?
08:07Homo aqua shows you.
08:09What happens now?
08:10We inherited their world. They want it back.
08:14We will flood.
08:14We will drown.
08:16We will choke.
08:19We could end the conflict between our species.
08:21But today's the day.
08:24We stop.
08:30Fantastic.
08:30That's good.
08:32That's good.
08:32Okay, so Russell, this was written by Russell T Davies. But the thing is, it's the same world
08:37as Doctor Who, but you don't have to necessarily be a Doctor Who fan to get into this.
08:41Absolutely. I haven't got to watch Doctor Who to enjoy the war between the land and the sea.
08:44Yeah, there you go.
08:44But also, tell us about your character and how he gets caught up in this story.
08:49Barkley. I love him dearly. I'm very proud to play him. He's a wonderful man,
08:53but he's fundamentally lost and he ends up getting put into this place where he's out of his depth.
08:59But when he's in that position, he acts from a place of empathy and kindness.
09:04And unbeknownst to him, that puts him in a position where he's singled out from 8 billion people to
09:09represent the world. And he's thrust into this place and it changes his life and everyone around him.
09:17And it's real enough to play a part where kindness, empathy is celebrated.
09:23He wasn't like a hero. He didn't have a rallying battle cry. He's a guy who was just kind.
09:29And I think that's a really beautiful message for today's climate.
09:32Yeah. And especially at Christmas. Nice.
09:35Kindness at Christmas.
09:36Yeah.
09:37And then Gugu, you play salt.
09:39Yeah.
09:39So you're a creature from the deep. Amazing costume, makeup. How long does this transformation take?
09:47You know, there were several fittings, hair and makeup tests over several weeks. But on the day on set,
09:54it was about three hours in the makeup chair. So, you know, I had two incredible makeup artists
10:01and prosthetic artists working on me at the same time with airbrushes and glue. And, you know,
10:07it was a real, real process, but yeah, a real privilege.
10:10What were you doing during that time? Sorry, go ahead.
10:12Well, I was going to say, when Gugu walked out on set for the first time, there was just this hush
10:16that went over the whole set and everyone was in awe of what she did.
10:18And what the performance you give is just so elegant and pure and honest and everybody was
10:24so moved. And yes, it's all the prosthetics, but fundamentally, these two characters are full
10:30of heart and it's deeply, deeply human, this show. And we really connect. And it was just a real honor
10:36to share the screen with you and to do these scenes with you. But this story, yes, it's epic and it's a
10:40huge adventure, but fundamentally, it's about two people or two beings trying to coexist and find life.
10:47I feel bad now. I was just going to ask, like during it, do you, are you listening to a podcast?
10:51And what are you doing for three hours? Sorry, I know it's a very surface level question,
10:55but I'm just wondering. You know, I was in the chair very early in the morning with
10:58Samantha and Georgia who were doing my makeup and we would listen to music Spotify playlists,
11:04basically. So it was a lot of music because I couldn't always hear as well, you know,
11:09because of that, my ears were covered. So, you know, just to have a nice energy and a nice vibe.
11:13And you both have obviously underwater scenes as well. So filming in the tanks. Tell me about that.
11:19Oh, my gosh. We got to film at the legendary Pinewood Studios water stage, which was really
11:24special. And I think, you know, my first day actually was in a wave pool outside. So it's my
11:31first day in the makeup. And then we were outside in pretty cold water with a wave machine and a crane.
11:39And it was just incredibly intense. I mean, it really was like in at the deep end for me.
11:43Could they not warm me up?
11:44I don't know. I mean, they did.
11:46They did on the inside tank, but the outside one, they couldn't.
11:50You said it was colder than the sea.
11:51Yeah. And I had nothing on.
11:52What? Oh, my God.
11:53Nothing on. Spoiler alert.
11:54Spoiler alert.
11:55They'll be tuning in now.
11:59Well, the war between the land and the sea starts with a double bill on Sunday,
12:03the 7th of December at 8.30 on BBC One and iPlayer.
12:06Still to come, Maisie will be revealing how some audience participation during a comedy
12:12led to a surprising counter.
12:13Yeah. But first, it's time to reveal another winner of the National Teaching Awards 2025.
12:19Now, all week, we've been celebrating the hard work of teachers and support staff around the country.
12:24And tonight, we're shining a light on this year's Unsung Hero.
12:27Yes. This award is given to someone who goes the extra mile to make school a fantastic place to me.
12:33And trust me, this person does that and so much more as I found out when I surprised him with the news that he'd won.
12:39This is Heatherset Academy in Norfolk.
12:47It's an immaculately cared for school, not a leaf out of place.
12:51The school hall is squeaky clean and the grounds are pristine.
12:56And all of this is the domain of National Teaching Awards nominee in the Unsung Hero category, site manager, Lee Smith.
13:03I'm really looking forward to meeting Lee. I was on the judging panel for the Unsung Hero Award.
13:10And we just felt that he was a clear winner because he's had so much of a positive effect on the school.
13:16I mean, just look at the incredible grounds here.
13:18Lee doesn't just maintain the site. He's transformed it over the nine years he's been here.
13:24The site has never looked so amazing. Lee's an avid carpenter. He's made a large number of seats around the school to his own design to provide as much seating as possible for children to rest and enjoy their free time in school.
13:36One of my favourite things that Lee's done is to turn an old trampoline into a polytunnel so that students have an eco area where they can grow vegetables and it's so therapeutic.
13:47Lee's work helps pupils feel at home in the school.
13:50He's one of the best people I've ever met. He's a very helpful person and he's very nice.
13:56But if someone ever needs help, they'll always be there helping them.
14:00He's just an all-round amazing person and I think he just deserves it by everything he does.
14:04Lee also works with excluded pupils, teaching them new skills and helping them reintegrate into school life.
14:11Lee has accommodated lots of vulnerable children working with him in the site team on various projects around the site.
14:18Those who might not otherwise have found their place in school.
14:20Now, if Lee wasn't sounding special enough already, well, he's actually a true life hero. He actually saved the life of his colleague, Jeff.
14:29He thinks I'm here to interview him about that when really I'm here to tell him he's won the award.
14:36Lee has provided so many spaces for pupils to relax that they wanted to make somewhere for him to sit.
14:41So some of them have been putting together their own bench for him.
14:46And that is where I'm going to interview him. But there's just one little bit of work still to do and that is fixing this lovely plaque to the bench.
14:55But you know what? I'm going to ask Lee to do that.
14:58And here he comes now.
15:00Hello.
15:01Hello.
15:01Hello.
15:02Hi, Lee. I'm Alex. Come on over.
15:05Come and sit down here with me.
15:07Do you know what? I've been having a little look around the school and just think, gosh, it's immaculate.
15:11We try our best, yeah.
15:12Now, I'm turning the conversation to the day Lee saved his colleague's life.
15:17Two years ago, he and another team member, Ollie, were worried when Jeff, a diabetic, didn't turn up for work.
15:24I had a funny feeling in my stomach that just something wasn't right. So me and Ollie go to his house, knocked on the door, nothing.
15:33So I kicked the door down, went upstairs and he was in diabetic coma upstairs.
15:37My goodness. And what happens?
15:39I called the ambulance and then luckily, yeah, they managed to bring him around.
15:42What would have happened if he wouldn't have arrived and kicked the door down?
15:45He'd have died.
15:46My gosh, what a friend to have you are.
15:50I'd like to think we'd all do it if we ever called upon.
15:52And I mean, just looking around this schoolie, it's so well kept.
15:56And I understand that a lot of that is down to you, mainly.
16:00And the team.
16:01And you know, you make these little benches and things all over the place.
16:04Did you make this one?
16:05No, not this one, no.
16:06No?
16:07No.
16:07Is this a new one?
16:08Yeah, nice one.
16:10Of course, the bench is the first surprise.
16:14The children made this one for you.
16:16Really?
16:16But there's still something that you need to do and that is to attach this plaque to it.
16:26Lee, would you mind reading that?
16:27In recognition of the inspiring work of Lee Smith at Heatherset Academy, you are our unsung hero.
16:36I'm not here just to interview you about your colleague, Jeff, although that is amazing.
16:42And now to come clean with the help of some pupils and Lee's two children.
16:47Come in, guys.
16:48Now, I think you recognise this boy here that's holding something, right?
16:51Yeah.
16:52Who's that?
16:53My oldest.
16:55Hiya, how are you?
16:56You are the winner of the Unsung Hero Awards for this year's National Teaching Awards.
17:04We thought you were amazing.
17:07You were a clear winner and of course, I'm sure all these pupils would absolutely second that.
17:21What does this mean to you, Lee?
17:23The world.
17:24We don't do it for recognition, but it's amazing.
17:28Yeah, it really is.
17:30No.
17:30A huge congratulations.
17:32Woo!
17:35Huge, huge congratulations to Lee.
17:45So well-deserved and his little boys.
17:47I know.
17:48They were so proud of their dad.
17:49And we have more surprises coming up tomorrow with the help of Matt Ulrich,
17:53Stephen Fry and Jules Holland.
17:55There you go.
17:56Maisie, I mean, we'll come to you.
17:57Did you have any great teachers that inspired you growing up?
17:59Yeah, yeah.
18:00Inspired in like so many ways.
18:02I think like one of my first big standup routines was about my French teacher.
18:07Like she probably had no idea that she inspired me, but she taught French, but she refused to do the French accents.
18:13She just maintained a Yorkshire accent.
18:15She'd like walk in and be like, oh, bonjour to Le Monde.
18:19Quite intense.
18:20But then I was really like my drama teacher, Mrs. Bray, was like one of the few teachers that saw performance as a viable career.
18:29And that was so kind of validating.
18:32My English teacher, whose name was Mr. Bean.
18:34I'm not even joking.
18:36He nipped that in the bud on the first day.
18:38But like he really developed a passion of, you know, words.
18:41It was very like infectious.
18:42I think the impact a good teacher can have is phenomenal.
18:46It's incredible.
18:46Yeah, like even now, my PE teachers come to my gigs every time I go back to my hometown.
18:52It's a matter of time until I spot Mrs. Wadhams in the crowd.
18:55Yeah, yeah.
18:56Still got a whistle.
18:58Well, Maisie has had a very busy year from lifting the Taskmaster trophy to hosting a top of the league football podcast.
19:05And now she's warming up for her new UK standup tour.
19:08Here's a taste of what we can expect.
19:10I was getting ready for a gig in Stockport.
19:12And I was getting ready in the hotel room.
19:14And I thought, whilst I'm getting ready, I'll flick the telly on.
19:16And it was the tea time quiz show Pointless, right?
19:19And I was an answer on Pointless, right?
19:22Yeah.
19:22So this is it, is I'm well known enough to be an answer on Pointless.
19:26However, Harrogate, I am unknown enough to be a pointless answer.
19:32It's devastating.
19:34Genuinely devastating.
19:35I mean, that is a good kind of reality check, isn't it?
19:38Yeah.
19:39Where you are.
19:40Absolutely.
19:40And you've sort of come up with the name of the tour through a similar incident.
19:45Yeah.
19:45Basically, yeah, is I'm at that level.
19:48And that's why I called the show What's Her Face, is I'm sort of at that point now where that is what people refer to me as.
19:54And I know this to be true, because in the summer I was in Switzerland for the women's Euros, big football fan.
20:01And the next morning after one of the games, loads of my friends were sending me this article.
20:07And it was by the football writer Susie Rack, who kind of like was trying to explain about the vibe at the games.
20:13And it was the stadium was packed full of Lionesses fans who were all excited to watch the game.
20:19And I kept hearing various girls go, oh, my God, it's What's Her Face running for a picture with comedian Maisie Adam.
20:25And I was like, that's the level I'm at.
20:28I'm What's Her Face.
20:29Yeah.
20:30I genuinely heard a friend's mum at a wedding recently refer to me as the tall, chaotic one with the weird hair.
20:36That's just, that's my vibe now.
20:39If she's watching, she'll be feeling bad.
20:40Exactly.
20:41Yeah, Lindsay.
20:42But Maisie, your stand-up is so fantastic.
20:46And a big part of your stand-up is always audience participation.
20:49I love it.
20:50I know you love it.
20:51But in fact, sometimes it goes very well.
20:54You get a surprising connection.
20:55So you never know.
20:57My tour shows, I always like to kind of do half an hour of crowd work and then the main show in the second half.
21:03But, yeah, that clip there is from when I filmed my last tour show in my hometown.
21:09And I remember being in the wings thinking, who am I going to chat to?
21:12And I saw these four women.
21:14They were like all in leopard print.
21:15They were on the white wine.
21:16I thought, they're going to be a good laugh.
21:18And I went out and spoke to them.
21:19I said, what do you do?
21:20She said, I'm a carer, which can be, you know, a bit of a sort of comedy black hole, as we call it.
21:26I thought, all right, OK, keep it light.
21:28What about you?
21:29What do you do?
21:29She said, I'm a carer as well.
21:30She said, we're all carers.
21:32I said, all right, who do you care for?
21:34Is it, you know, older people, younger people?
21:36And they just, all four of them went, your grandma.
21:39And basically, yeah, my granny had like four people throughout the day would come and like visit her, help her get ready in the morning, sort of food.
21:45Like absolute angels, these people.
21:48And they, my granny had basically been like an extension of my agent.
21:51And every time these women were coming round, my granny was going, have you booked tickets to see my grandkids?
21:56So they were all there.
21:58So obviously, I then had to sort of be like, well, hang on, if you four are here, who's looking after Muriel?
22:03So I couldn't have asked for a better bunch of people to end up with.
22:08I was a bit worried people would think it was a plant because it was so good to have on the recording.
22:12But yeah, shout out to the girls of St. Margaret's who were fantastic.
22:16And Muriel survived the night.
22:17She did.
22:18Yeah, she did.
22:19Great, great, great.
22:19And then Taskmaster.
22:21Oh.
22:21So you won.
22:22I don't.
22:23Obviously, right, congratulations.
22:24Brilliant.
22:25But a huge secret.
22:27Alex, it was weighing heavy.
22:28You know, it's quite hard, isn't it?
22:29But then, oh, listen to this.
22:32So Maisie decides to sell the house.
22:35Oh, yeah.
22:36So we filmed Taskmaster ages ago.
22:40And I knew I'd won.
22:41But you can't tell anybody.
22:43And the fans of Taskmaster are quite, they like to be quite detective-y online.
22:48And the statue was basically a big gold head of Greg Davies, life-size.
22:53And he is big, you know.
22:55So I've got this trophy of a gold Greg Davies head on my shelf, pride of place.
22:59And then we're moving.
23:00So the estate agents, photographers coming around to snap the flat up.
23:04Yeah.
23:05So then I'm like, oh, my God.
23:07And it'll end up on all the chat forums.
23:09So we had to get Greg Davies' gold head blurred out of right move.
23:12It was so stressful.
23:14Yeah.
23:14But you got over it in the end.
23:16Well, yes, yes.
23:17Got through it.
23:18Yes.
23:18I've won Taskmaster.
23:19And we've had enough from the house.
23:22So it's all going on.
23:22Thank you very much.
23:23Well, tickets for Maisie's tour, What's-Her-Face are available now.
23:26And you can still see her on Taskmaster on Channel 4.
23:29Now, we know Russell here has a keen passion for art.
23:31So he is going to hopefully love our next film,
23:34which celebrates two of Britain's greatest artists, Turner and Constable.
23:38Yes, ahead of a new exhibition at the Tate Britain,
23:40art lovers Jenny Eclare and Ian H. Watkins explore a rivalry
23:44between the two painters that has spanned centuries.
23:48J.W.M. Turner and John Constable,
23:51two of Britain's most outstanding and well-known painters.
23:55But what might not be so well-known is that 200 years ago,
23:59they had a fierce rivalry.
24:01Today, that rivalry is still being fought by us.
24:05Well, H. here is batting for Constable.
24:09And Jenny Eclare is team Turner.
24:12But who's going to win?
24:13Think Strictly Come Painting.
24:15Well, Turner will win because he's the best.
24:18Oh, we'll see.
24:19A born and bred Londoner from humble beginnings,
24:22Turner depicted the city's social and political landscape
24:25throughout his life's work.
24:27Whereas merchant son Constable loved the countryside,
24:30most famously Suffolk, earning the county the name Constable Country.
24:35But he also spent time capturing the city on canvas.
24:38So we're starting on the River Thames,
24:41heading towards Waterloo Bridge.
24:43What I love about Constable's work is it's dramatic,
24:46it's dark, but it's very atmospheric as well.
24:50You can't talk about atmosphere without allowing Turner
24:53into the conversation because he was all about atmosphere
24:56because I think he did important life events
25:00like Parliament burning down.
25:02He was making statements about things.
25:04Yes, Jenny, but for me, Constable's genius
25:07was being able to paint the everyday beauty of the city,
25:11despite being a country boy at heart.
25:14I want escapism.
25:15You know, there's a place for politics and history,
25:19but I just, I want to lose myself.
25:20But it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
25:25Right, I've got an ace up my sleeve.
25:27Turner, or the painter of light as he is known,
25:30never went anywhere without his sketch pad.
25:33One of his favourite views of his home city
25:35was from Greenwich Park.
25:37Surely that'll be enough to win this argument.
25:41So if we look over here,
25:43J. M. W. Turner is perhaps the most famous artist
25:46to feel the spark of inspiration here.
25:48This painting of 1809 contrasts the sanctuary
25:52of the lush green park
25:54with the industrial metropolis of London.
25:57Where we are, I feel like I'm in a Constable painting.
26:00Look at this, look where we are.
26:02It's luscious, it's green, it's nature at its very best.
26:06So I've dragged you all the way up here
26:07and you're still not convinced.
26:09Neither of us are backing down, yet.
26:11So, we've enlisted the help of Amy Concanon,
26:15curator of the Turner and Constable exhibition
26:17at Tate Britain.
26:19OK, Amy, we want to know why the two boys fell out.
26:22It is to do with the Royal Academy Summer Exhibition.
26:25This was the most spectacular event in the art calendar
26:27and the rivalry really started in 1831
26:30when Constable had a place on the hanging committee.
26:35But actually what Constable did
26:36was put his work next to Turner's
26:39so that they could be compared side by side
26:41as a sort of way to say, bring it on.
26:44The following year, Turner got his own back.
26:47Constable had a painting exhibited of Waterloo Bridge.
26:51Turner had a very plain, grey-coloured seascape.
26:54He saw that Constable's painting was dotted about
26:57with red flecks, which gave it a great liveliness.
27:01He then went to his grey seascape
27:04and added a single red blob of paint.
27:07Constable's famous reaction was,
27:10Turner has been here and fired a gun.
27:12Yeah.
27:14But two centuries on,
27:16can Amy help us settle on just who is best?
27:20I just couldn't have possibly said.
27:22She's on the fence.
27:23I am.
27:23I'm going to sit firmly on that fence.
27:25So if we're thinking about sheer numbers,
27:27Turner's work runs into, you know, 2,500.
27:31Constable, we know much less.
27:33Quality and quantity.
27:35Mm-hmm.
27:35In sort of auction prices,
27:37Turner has sold for higher than Constable.
27:40But in terms of legacy,
27:42Constable had success abroad that Turner didn't have.
27:46There's a kind of legacy of his work in France
27:48that leads to the Impressionists.
27:49So they're both as good as each other
27:51and they're both powerful landscape painters,
27:53but just in very different ways.
27:56Well, as we know, H,
27:57art is purely subjective,
27:59but I will always be a Turner girl.
28:01And I will always be a Constable boy at heart.
28:04Has anything you've seen today changed your mind?
28:07No.
28:08I mean...
28:09Oh, thanks to H and Jenny.
28:12You can see the Turner and Constable exhibition
28:14at the Tate Britain in London until April next year.
28:17Yeah, I know you love your art, Russell.
28:19Turner or Constable?
28:20Turner all the way.
28:21Very good.
28:21OK, well, look, that is it for tonight.
28:23A big thank you to our guests.
28:25We'll be back tomorrow evening.
28:26Until then, have a good night.
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