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00:00Hello and welcome to the start of your Thursday evening live on the One Show with Alex Jones
00:11and Roman Kemp. Lots coming up tonight including a really powerful film with actor Cara Toynton.
00:17Now she's meeting women who like her have had preventative surgery after genetic tests revealed
00:22they were at risk of breast and ovarian cancer. Their inspirational stories are coming up in just
00:28a moment. Yeah and we've also got some brilliant guests on the sofa. One starred in everything
00:33from Alan Bennett's History Boys to BAFTA winning sitcom Juice whilst the other has brought us
00:39stunning performances in The Morning Show and Marvel's Loki. But tonight Russell Tovey and
00:44Gugu Mbarta Roar will be telling us all about teaming up for the highly anticipated new Doctor
00:49Who spinoff written by Russell T Davies which sees humans and sea creatures go head to head.
00:55Yeah obviously. And they'll be joined by the reigning champion of Taskmaster comedian
01:00Macy Adam will be revealing how watching the Lionesses helped inspire her stand-up show.
01:06And she's not the only comedian we're featuring on the show tonight. Later on Jenny Eclare
01:10and fellow art lover Ian H. Watkins explore the epic rivalry between two of Britain's greatest
01:16artists Turner and Constable.
01:18Plus all week we've been celebrating teachers and support staff from around the UK. Tonight we'll
01:24be revealing the National Teaching Award for Unsung Hero and it's another emotional one.
01:30It is yes. Later on you'll see the moment I had the privilege of surprising Lee Smith from Norwich
01:35with the news that he had won. He was in tears, I was in tears, everybody cried. Lee is such a superstar
01:42and you'll find out why later in the show. So lots coming up but first we're starting with that
01:48inspirational film from actor Cara Toynton who recently faced a life-changing decision and now
01:53wants to share her story. In 2018 while my mum Carol was being treated for ovarian cancer
02:01I learned through genetic testing that I carry the Baraka 1 gene putting me at higher risk of both
02:07breast and ovarian cancer. It was incredibly daunting at the time but I think pragmatically
02:15I knew I had a decision to make and one that could help keep me healthy for my kids. For me
02:20preventative surgery felt right. Last year I had two operations a double mastectomy and later the
02:28removal of my fallopian tubes. It wasn't an easy decision but one I'm very glad and lucky I made
02:35and I can now with hindsight talk about it properly. After I shared my posts on social media so many
02:45women with Baraka reached out to me each with their own story. Today I'm meeting some of them.
02:50I've had my preventative breast surgery when I was 30 and then my preventative ovary surgery when I was 35.
02:59Mum got tested. She's got the Baraka gene. Yeah I had the Baraka gene but my sister didn't and yeah I had to go on to double mastectomy
03:07this year. So I'm pretty much six months out of my surgery. My mum got her Baraka 2 result back in 2002
03:16and it took them four and a half years to get the results because it was like right at the early stages
03:21of them starting to think about Baraka testing here. I think my result came through in two weeks.
03:26It's like a reminder that medical research is evolving so quickly.
03:31Survivor rates for many cancers are far better than 20 years ago thanks in part to improved screening
03:37programs. Funded by Prevent Breast Cancer and the Manchester Foundation Trust charity, a new training
03:43facility for the National Breast Imaging Academy has now opened its doors. It will train 50 specialists
03:50each year and create 13,000 extra screening appointments. Apprentices and graduates have
03:57joined from across the UK including Kate, a former dog groomer. What do you enjoy most about your role?
04:04I love working with a big team of people that are helping ladies and we get to see them at the beginning
04:10of their journey because we're the first protocol. They see they come and have the mammogram before
04:15anything else and then if they have had to go through for surgery or anything like that we're at
04:20the end of their journey as well. At the Manchester Breast Centre, Dr. Sasha Howell from the University of
04:26Manchester has partnered with Breast Cancer Now to pioneer a landmark treatment for the disease
04:32which he's revealing to us in a TV exclusive. We've got some really interesting data to suggest that
04:39blocking the female hormone progesterone may be a really really big advance in what we can do to
04:45prevent really aggressive breast cancers. He's also been working on innovative new screening methods
04:51targeting younger women who have no family history of breast cancer. Some women are more susceptible to
04:57certain cancers doesn't necessarily mean they carry the Baraka genes. For women who don't have a family history
05:05there is still a genetic risk of breast cancer that we can identify through something called a
05:10polygenic risk score and this is something that we're investigating in a study called BCAN-RAE
05:16trying to identify women who don't have a family history but do have an increased risk and then offering
05:22those women early screening. For you and the research you're doing, how hopeful are you for the
05:27future? We will get to a point where we have a much greater understanding of who is at risk of breast
05:34cancer, who's at high enough risk to warrant the sort of surgery that you've had. So if we get the
05:38prevention side of things right and actually this is a win-win. Do you have any advice for people who
05:45are thinking about delving into learning about their own personal genetics? What would you say to them?
05:52It's important to take that time and and make your own decision. It doesn't matter what anyone else
05:57wants to do. It is awareness and putting out there basically really. To just find a community and to
06:03talk about it and to really embrace it as an opportunity to make an empowered decision.
06:09To hear the advancements coming about in screening, research, treatment of breast cancer means that
06:16there's a real positive horizon for treating and extending and saving more and more people's lives.
06:23That's really, really, I mean it's encouraging to hear that research is making such a positive
06:30impact. Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much to Cara and everybody in that film for sharing
06:35their stories with us. That's really powerful, isn't it? Still to come, I'll be surprising another
06:40winner of this year's National Teaching Awards, unsung hero Lee Smith, who plays a vital role in his
06:46school community. But time now to introduce tonight's guests. Please welcome comedian Macy
06:51Ellum and actors Russell Tovey and Goo Goo Bottle Roar.
06:57Welcome. Hello, everybody. Hello.
06:59Lots to get through tonight, but we're going to start because obviously today the Christmas
07:03television schedules have been released. And of course, Russell, you were a big part of last
07:09years with Gavin and Stacy, which we all absolutely adored, including you. It was so good. I mean,
07:16I was nervous because, you know, it's sometimes hard to wrap up all of the extra sort of ties and get
07:23an ending that everyone was happy with. But it was, it was phenomenal. I know. I'm worried for this
07:28year's Christmas now. I'm worried. But thankfully, you too.
07:31We are.
07:32Nice one.
07:33How was that segue, guys?
07:35Very, very good, weren't you?
07:36Amazing.
07:37Watch out.
07:38We'll be talking comedy with Macy very shortly. But first, we are entering the Who-niverse,
07:43because Russell and Goo Goo are starring in a brand new drama set in the world of Doctor Who.
07:48Well, it's set on Earth, and it all starts when a mysterious species emerges from the ocean and
07:53threatens to wage war on humans for polluting their home. Here's an exclusive look.
07:59The tides have drawn us together.
08:03We would speak with him.
08:06Me?
08:07Homer Macquitt says move.
08:10We inherited their world. They want it back.
08:14We will flood. We will drown. We will choke.
08:19We could end the conflict between our species.
08:22Oh, today's the day we stop.
08:30Fantastic.
08:31That's good.
08:32That's good.
08:33Okay, so Russell, this was written by Russell T. Davis. But the thing is, it's the same world
08:37as Doctor Who, but you don't have to necessarily be a Doctor Who fan to get into this.
08:41Absolutely. I haven't got to watch Doctor Who to enjoy the war between the land and the sea.
08:44Yeah, there you go.
08:44But also, so tell us about your character and how he gets caught up in this story.
08:49Barkley. I love him dearly. I'm very proud to play him. He's a wonderful man, but he's
08:53fundamentally lost and he ends up getting put into this place where he's out of his depth. But when
09:00he's in that position, he acts from a place of empathy and kindness. And unbeknownst to him,
09:05that puts him in a position where he's singled out from eight billion people to represent
09:11the world. And he's thrust into this place and it changes his life and everyone around him. And it's
09:17it's a real enough for like to play a part where kindness, empathy is celebrated. He wasn't like
09:24a hero. He didn't have like a rallying battle cry. He's a guy who was just kind. And I think that's
09:29a really beautiful message for today's climate. Yeah. And especially at Christmas. Nice.
09:34And kindness at Christmas.
09:36Yeah.
09:36You know? And then Gugu, you play salt.
09:39Yeah.
09:39So you're a creature from the deep. Amazing costume, makeup. How long does this transformation
09:47take? Oh, you know, there were several fittings, hair and makeup tests over several weeks. But
09:53on the day on set, it was about three hours in the makeup chair. So, you know, I had two incredible
10:00makeup artists and prosthetic artists working on me at the same time with airbrushes and glue.
10:06And, you know, it was a real, real process. But yeah, a real privilege.
10:10What are you doing during that time? Sorry, go ahead.
10:12I was going to say, when Gugu walked out on set for the first time, there was just this hush
10:16that went over the whole set and everyone was in awe of what she did. And what the performance
10:20you give is just so elegant and pure and honest. And everybody was so moved. And yes,
10:25it's all the prosthetics. But fundamentally, these two characters are full of heart. And it's deeply,
10:31deeply human, this show. And we really connect. And it was just a real honor to share the screen
10:36with you and to do these scenes with you. But this story, yes, it's epic. And it's a huge adventure.
10:41But fundamentally, it's about two people or two beings trying to coexist and find life.
10:47Yeah, I feel bad now. I was just going to ask, like, during it, are you listening to a podcast?
10:51And what are you doing for three hours? Sorry, I know it's a very surface level question,
10:55but I'm just wondering. I was in the chair very early in the morning with
10:59Samantha and Georgia, who were doing my makeup. And we would listen to music Spotify playlists,
11:05basically. So it was a lot of music because I couldn't always hear as well, you know,
11:09because my ears were covered. So, you know, just to have a nice energy and a nice vibe.
11:14And you both have, obviously, underwater scenes as well. So you're filming in the tanks. Tell me about
11:18that. Oh, my gosh. We got to film at the legendary Pinewood Studios water stage, which was really
11:24special. And I think, you know, my first day actually was in a wave pool outside. So it's my first day in
11:31the makeup. And then we were outside in pretty cold water with with a wave machine and a crane.
11:39And it was just incredibly intense. I mean, it really was like in at the deep end for me.
11:43Could they not warm it up? I don't know. I mean, they did on the inside tank, but the outside one,
11:50they couldn't. You said it was colder than the sea. Yeah. And I had nothing on.
11:52What? Oh, my God. Spoiler alert.
11:54Well, the war between the land and the sea starts with a double bill on Sunday, the 7th of December
12:04at 8.30 on BBC One and iPlayer. Still to come, Maisie will be revealing how some audience
12:09participation during a comedy led to a surprising counter. Yeah. But first, it's time to reveal
12:16another winner of the National Teaching Awards 2025. Now, all week, we've been celebrating the hard work
12:22of teachers and support staff around the country. And tonight, we're shining a light on this year's
12:26Unsung Hero. Yes. This award is given to someone who goes the extra mile to make school a fantastic
12:32place to me. And trust me, this person does that and so much more, as I found out when I surprised
12:38him with the news that he'd won.
12:39This is Heatherset Academy in Norfolk. It's an immaculately cared for school, not a leaf out of
12:51place. The school hall is squeaky clean and the grounds are pristine. And all of this is the domain
12:58of National Teaching Awards nominee in the Unsung Hero category, site manager, Lee Smith.
13:03I'm really looking forward to meeting Lee. I was on the judging panel for the Unsung Hero Award,
13:10and we just felt that he was a clear winner, because he's had so much of a positive effect
13:15on the school. I mean, just look at the incredible grounds here.
13:19Lee doesn't just maintain the site, he's transformed it over the nine years he's been here.
13:24The site has never looked so amazing. Lee's an avid carpenter. He's made a large number of seats
13:30around the school to its own design, to provide as much seating as possible for children to rest
13:34and enjoy their free time in school. One of my favourite things that Lee's done is to turn an
13:38old trampoline into a polytunnel, so that students have an eco area where they can grow vegetables,
13:45and it's so therapeutic. Lee's work helps pupils feel at home in the school.
13:50He's one of the best people I've ever met. He's a very helpful person and he's very nice, but if
13:56someone ever needs help they'll always be there helping them. He's just an all-round amazing
14:01person and I think he just deserves it by everything he does. Lee also works with excluded pupils,
14:07teaching them new skills and helping them reintegrate into school life. Lee has accommodated
14:13lots of vulnerable children working with him in the site team on various projects around the site,
14:18those who might not otherwise have found their place in school. Now, if Lee wasn't sounding special
14:22enough already, well he's actually a true life hero. He actually saved the life of his colleague Jeff.
14:29He thinks I'm here to interview him about that, when really I'm here to tell him he's won the award.
14:36Lee has provided so many spaces for pupils to relax that they wanted to make somewhere for him to sit,
14:42so some of them have been putting together their own bench for him.
14:45And that is where I'm going to interview him, but there's just one little bit of work still to do,
14:52and that is fixing this lovely plaque to the bench. But you know what? I'm going to ask Lee to do that.
14:58And here he comes now. Hello. Hello. Hi Lee. I'm Alex. Come on over. Thank you. Come and sit down here with me.
15:07Do you know what? I've been having a little look around the school and just think, gosh, it's immaculate.
15:11We try our best. Now, I'm turning the conversation to the day Lee saved his colleague's life.
15:17Two years ago, he and another team member, Ollie, were worried when Jeff, a diabetic, didn't turn up
15:23for work. I had a funny feeling in my stomach. Something wasn't right. So me and Ollie go to his
15:30house, knocked on the door, nothing. So I kicked the door down, went upstairs, and he was in a diabetic
15:36coma upstairs. My goodness. And what happens? Called the ambulance, and then luckily, yeah,
15:41they managed to bring him around. What would have happened if he wouldn't have arrived and kicked the
15:45door down? In a dive. My gosh. What a friend to have, you are. I'd like to think we'd all do it if
15:51we ever called upon. And I mean, just looking around this schoolie, it's so well kept, and I understand
15:57that a lot of that is down to you, mainly. And the team. And you know, you make these little benches
16:03and things all over the place. Did you make this one? No, not this one, no. No? No. Is this a new one?
16:08Yeah. Nice one. Of course, the bench is the first surprise. The children made this one for you.
16:16Really? Oh. But there's still something that you need to do, and that is to attach this plaque to it.
16:26Lee, would you mind reading that? In recognition of the inspiring work of Lee Smith at Heberset Academy,
16:31you are an unsung hero. I'm not here just to interview you about your colleague, Jeff, although
16:39that is amazing. And now to come clean with the help of some pupils and Lee's two children.
16:47Come in, guys. Now, I think you recognise this boy here that's holding something, right? Yeah.
16:52Who's that? My oldest. Ah, hiya. How are you? You are the winner of the Unsung Hero Awards for this
17:01year's National Teaching Awards. We thought you were amazing. Thank you. You were a clear winner,
17:09and of course, I'm sure all these pupils would absolutely second that. Thank you.
17:21What does this mean to you, Lee? The world. We don't do it for recognition, but it's amazing.
17:27It's amazing. Yeah, it really is. Thank you. No.
17:30A huge congratulations. Thank you.
17:32Thank you. Woo!
17:43Huge, huge congratulations to Lee. So well-deserved and his little boys.
17:47I know. They were so proud of their dad.
17:49And we have more surprises coming up tomorrow with the help of Matt Allwright,
17:53Sir Stephen Fry and Jules Holland. There you go. Maisie, I mean, we'll come to you. Did you have
17:57any great teachers that inspired you growing up? Yeah. Yeah. Inspired in like so many ways. I think
18:03like one of my first big stand-up routines was about my French teacher. Like, she probably had no
18:08idea that she inspired me, but she taught French, but she refused to do the French accents. She just
18:13maintained a Yorkshire accent. She'd like walk in and be like, oh, bonjour tout le monde.
18:18Yeah. Quite intense. But then I was really like, my drama teacher, Mrs. Bray was like
18:25one of the few teachers that saw performance as a viable career. And that was so kind of
18:31validating. My English teacher, whose name was Mr. Bean. I'm not even joking. Brilliant.
18:36He nipped that in the bud on the first day, but like, he really developed a passion of, of, you know,
18:41words. It was very like infectious. Just, I think the impact a good teacher can have is,
18:45is phenomenal. Yeah. Like even now, my PE teachers come to my gigs every, every time I go back to my
18:51hometown. It's a matter of time until I spot Mrs. Wadhams in the crowd. Yeah. Yeah. Still got a
18:56whistle. Well, Maisie has had a very busy year from lifting the Taskmaster trophy to hosting a top of
19:03the league football podcast. And now she's warming up for her new UK stand-up tour. Here's a taste of
19:09what we can expect. I was getting ready for a gig in Stockport and I was getting ready in the hotel room.
19:14And I thought, whilst I'm getting ready, I'll flick the telly on. And it was the tea time quiz show
19:18Pointless, right? And I was an answer on Pointless, right? Yeah. So this is it, is I'm well known enough
19:24to be an answer on Pointless. However, Harrogate, I am unknown enough to be a pointless answer.
19:32It's devastating. Genuinely devastating. I mean, that is a good kind of reality check, isn't it? Yeah.
19:38Where you are. Absolutely. And you've sort of come up with the name of the tour. Yeah.
19:44A similar incident. Basically, yeah, is I'm at that, I'm at that level. And that's why I called the show
19:49What's Her Face is I'm sort of at that point now where that is what people refer to me as. And I know this to be true,
19:56because in the summer I was in Switzerland for the women's Euros. Yeah. Big football fan. And
20:03the next morning after one of the games, like loads of my friends were sending me this article
20:08and it was by the football writer Susie Rack, who kind of like was trying to explain about the vibe
20:13at the games. And it was, the stadium was packed full of Lionesses fans who were all excited to watch
20:18the game. I kept hearing various girls go, oh my God, it's What's Her Face running for a picture
20:24with comedian Maisie Adam. And I was like, that's, that's the level I'm at. I'm What's Her Face.
20:29Yeah. I genuinely heard a friend's mum at a wedding recently refer to me as the tall,
20:34chaotic one with the weird hair. That's just, that's, that's my, that's my vibe now.
20:38If she's watching, she'll be feeling bad. Exactly. Yeah, Lindsay.
20:42But Maisie, your stand up is so fantastic. And a big part of your stand up is always audience
20:49participation. I love it. I know you love it. But in fact, sometimes it goes very well. You get
20:54a surprising connection. Yeah. So you never know. My tour shows, I always like to kind of do half an
20:59hour of crowd work and then the main show in the second half. But yeah, that, that clip there is from
21:06when I filmed my last tour show in my hometown. And I remember being in the wings thinking, who am I
21:11going to talk chat to? And I saw these four women. They were like all in leopard print. They were on
21:15the white wine. I thought they're going to be a good laugh. And I went out and spoke to them. I said,
21:19what do you do? She said, I'm a carer, which can be, you know, a bit of a sort of comedy black hole,
21:25as we call it. Yeah. I thought, all right, okay, keep it light. What about you? What do you do?
21:29She said, I'm a carer as well. And she said, we're all carers. I said, all right, who do you care for?
21:34Is it, you know, older people, younger people? And they just, all four of them went, your grandma.
21:38Oh, wow. And basically, yeah, my granny had like, like, four people throughout the day would come
21:43and like, visit her, help her get ready in the morning, sort of food, like absolute angels,
21:46these people. Yeah. And they, my granny had basically been like an extension of my agent.
21:51And every time these women were coming round, my granny was going, have you booked tickets
21:55to see my grandchildren? So they were all there. So obviously, then I'd sort of be like, well,
21:59hang on, if, if you four are here, who's looking after Muriel?
22:02I couldn't have asked for a better bunch of people to end up with. I was a bit worried
22:08people would think it was a plant because it was so good to have on the recording. But,
22:12um, yeah, shout out to the girls of St. Margaret's who were, who were fantastic.
22:16And Muriel survived the night. She did. Yeah, she did. Great, great, great. And then Taskmaster.
22:21Oh, you won. Obviously, right. Congratulations. Brilliant. But a huge secret.
22:26Alex, it was weighing heavy. You know, it's quite hard, isn't it? But then, oh, listen to this.
22:32It's amazing. It decides to sell the house. Oh, yeah. So, so we filmed Taskmaster, um,
22:38ages ago. And, um, I knew I'd won, but it's, you can't tell anybody. And the fans of Taskmaster are
22:44quite, um, they like to be quite detective-y on online. And, um, the statue was basically a big
22:50gold head of Greg Davis, life size. And he is big, you know. So, um, I've got this trophy
22:56of a gold Greg Davis head on my shelf, pride of place. And then we're moving. So the
23:01estate agents, photographers coming around to snap the flat up. And yeah. So then I'm
23:05like, oh my God, but it'll end up on all the chat forums. So we had to get Greg Davis's
23:10gold head blurred out of right move. It was so stressful. Yeah. But you got, you got over
23:16it in the end. Well, yes, yes, yes. Got through it. Yes. I've, I've, I've, I've won Taskmaster.
23:19Yeah. And we've had enough from the house. So it's all going on. Thank you very much.
23:23Uh, well, tickets for amazing tour, what's her face are available now. And you can still
23:27see her on Taskmaster on channel four. Uh, now we know Russell here has a keen passion
23:31for art. So he is going to hopefully love our next film, which celebrates two of Britain's
23:36greatest artists, Turner and Constable. Yes. Ahead of a new exhibition at the Tate Britain,
23:40art lovers, Jenny Eclair and Ian H. Watkins explore a rivalry between the two painters that
23:45has spanned centuries.
23:46J. W. M. Turner and John Constable, two of Britain's most outstanding and well-known
23:54painters. But what might not be so well-known is that 200 years ago, they had a fierce rivalry.
24:01Today, that rivalry is still being fought by us. Well, H. here is batting for Constable. And
24:09Jenny Eclair is team Turner. But who's going to win? Think strictly come painting. Well,
24:15Turner will win because he's the best.
24:17Well, we'll see.
24:19A born and bred Londoner from humble beginnings,
24:22Turner depicted the city's social and political landscape throughout his life's work.
24:27Where his merchant son Constable loved the countryside, most famously Suffolk, earning the
24:32county the name Constable Country. But he also spent time capturing the city on canvas. So we're
24:39starting on the River Thames, heading towards Waterloo Bridge.
24:42What I love about Constable's work is it's dramatic, it's dark, but it's very atmospheric as well.
24:50You can't talk about atmosphere without allowing Turner into the conversation because he was all
24:55about atmosphere. Because I think he did important life events like Parliament burning down. He was
25:02making statements about things.
25:04Yes, Jenny. But for me, Constable's genius was being able to paint the everyday beauty of the city,
25:11despite being a country boy at heart.
25:14I want escapism.
25:15You know, there's a place for politics and history, but I just, I want to lose myself.
25:20But it looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
25:24Right. I've got an ace up my sleeve. Turner, or the painter of light as he is known, never went
25:31anywhere without his sketch pad. One of his favourite views of his home city was from Greenwich Park.
25:37Surely that'll be enough to win this argument.
25:40So if we look over here, J. M. W. Turner is perhaps the most famous artist to feel the spark of
25:47inspiration here. This painting of 1809 contrasts the sanctuary of the lush green park with the
25:54industrial metropolis of London. Where we are, I feel like I'm in a Constable painting. Look at this,
26:01look where we are. It's luscious, it's green, it's nature at its very best. So I've dragged you all the
26:06way up here and you're still not convinced. Neither of us are backing down, yet. So we've
26:12enlisted the help of Amy Concanon, curator of the Turner and Constable exhibition at Tate Britain.
26:18Okay, Amy, we want to know why the two boys fell out. It is to do with the Royal Academy Summer
26:24Exhibition. This was the most spectacular event in the art calendar and the rivalry really started in
26:291831 when Constable had a place on the hanging committee. But actually what Constable did was
26:36put his work next to Turner's so that they could be compared side by side as a sort of way to say
26:43bring it on. The following year Turner got his own back. Constable had a painting exhibited of Waterloo
26:50Bridge. Turner had a very plain grey coloured seascape, saw that Constable's painting was dotted
26:57about with red flecks which gave it a great liveliness. He then went to his grey seascape and added a single
27:05red blob of paint. Constable's famous reaction was, Turner has been here and fired a gun.
27:14But two centuries on, can Amy help us settle on just who is best?
27:19I just couldn't have possibly said. She's on the fence. I am. I'm going to sit firmly on that fence.
27:25So if we're thinking about sheer numbers, Turner's work runs into 2500. Constable,
27:32we know much less. Quality and quantity. In sort of auction prices, Turner has sold for higher than
27:39Constable. But in terms of legacy, Constable had success abroad that Turner didn't have. There's a kind of
27:46legacy of his work in France that leads to the Impressionists. So they're both as good as each
27:51other and they're both powerful landscape painters, but just in very different ways.
27:56Well, as we know, H, art is purely subjective, but I will always be a Turner girl. And I will always be
28:02a Constable boy at heart. Has anything you've seen today changed your mind? No. I mean...
28:08Oh, thanks to H and Jenny. You can see the Turner and Constable exhibition at the Tate Britain in London
28:16until April next year. Yeah, I know you love your art, Russell. Turner or Constable?
28:20Turner all the way. Very good. OK, well, look, that is it for tonight. A big thank you to our guests.
28:25We'll be back tomorrow evening. Until then, have a good night. Bye bye.
28:28See ya.
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