Wilfried Nancy SET TO BE Celtic manager for start of December! ｜ The Football Show

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Big talking points this week: Wilfried Nancy looks set to become the next Celtic manager — provided the club can agree compensation. Rangers sack Kevin Thelwell and Patrick Stewart, and we look back on a weekend full of VAR controversy!

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00:01:32And I'm going to ask you right now, which managers are under the most pressure in this Scottish Premiership? We would love to hear from you on that alone. Give us your thoughts and we'll get into the meat and bones.

00:02:32You know, the recruitment side of things and it has been great. I think possibly when you look at recent performances, even though the wins are so important for the new manager to get up and running, I think when you strip it back, some of the players who come in in the summer have really underperformed really.

00:02:49And that's put him under so much pressure that they've decided to make the change.

00:02:53And with that, do you think he increased the pressure on himself by hiring his son? And obviously the links with Cermiti, people were asking serious questions about that deal.

00:03:03Yeah, well listen, I think when the boy came in, people were questioning it due to the fact that he hadn't scored a lot of goals for Everton over a couple of years, period.

00:03:13And for Rangers, where Rangers are as a club to put that amount of outlay and a young boy. Now, this might be a bit controversial. I actually like a couple of things that this boy brings to the table.

00:03:24But the problem with Rangers is you pretty much need to finish the article. You need a guy to be hitting the ground running and he hasn't quite done that.

00:03:31And because of the price tag, you know, he's really struggled to win over the Rangers fans.

00:03:36However, I still see a wee bit of development in this boy and I'm hopeful for his sake and for Rangers' sake that they can get up and running.

00:03:45But I think you need to get the balance at Rangers, Peter. I don't think you can come in and go, you know what, this is a five-year plan.

00:03:50We're going to buy a lot and become a selling club. You have to get the balance where you are competing at the top end of the table for silverware and then also developing.

00:03:58And I think they've pretty much went the other way because they haven't seen enough experience for me.

00:04:05This is what Andrew Kavanagh had to say on the sacking of the two aforementioned executives.

00:04:13Parag, Marat and I have analysed the club's needs and as we reflect on what the club needs today and where Kevin and Patrick are, we think we need something different.

00:04:22As we look forward, we want different executives to help us lead the transformation of the club.

00:04:27Well, with Danny Roll coming in, he has started to improve the on-field performance and that has created the space to allow Parag and I to look at other parts of the club with new eyes and assess what we need going forward.

00:04:38Well, scathing, but in the end, the axe has fallen.

00:04:43And Andrew Kavanagh, probably a lot of people might have thought that he would have been, you know, not coming in as regularly as possible, but he's got his finger on the pulse.

00:04:52Clearly, he must have discussed this with a number of Rangers supporters groups as well and got a sense of what the feeling was.

00:04:59Yeah, I think Alex right. I think the supporters have won this battle. It's been ongoing and nobody like, if you're a new owner, you don't like going to football games and seeing protests and all that carry on going on.

00:05:11You want to see the team doing particularly well. They've nipped it in the bud very quickly and moving on.

00:05:18I'm sure the supporters will get right behind that decision and they'll be waiting to see who the new people are that are going to come in.

00:05:24Yeah, obviously, he's got a wee bit of time to do all that, but as long as the manager just keeps winning, that buys them that time to get the right people in.

00:05:35Yeah, it does. I think the Rangers have just got to keep winning games, Peter.

00:05:37I think you look at, well, I was going to speak about the performance at the weekend and it wasn't great, but Rangers got the three points and they closed the gap on Hearts at the top of the league.

00:05:45That's what it's all about for Rangers at the minute. Danny Roll's come in. His hands are tied to a certain extent.

00:05:49He's got these players until January. He's got to try and get the best out of them. He is doing that, I think.

00:05:54I think he's getting the best out of the players at the minute.

00:05:57And in terms of the 49ers, listen, I think that it's not been a great start for them.

00:06:01You know, they've hired a manager, a director of football, a head of recruitment and they've bumped them all in November.

00:06:05So the next appointment, obviously they've got Danny Roll and the next head of recruitment and the next director of football they've got again has got to be right because they can't afford another mistake, Peter.

00:06:14So it goes from that angle to on the pitch and Rangers going forward in January need to get a recruitment right because they're still in the title race for me.

00:06:24That's an interesting statement by the chairman there because if you listen to what he's actually saying, he says, these guys, we now know what the landscape is for Rangers.

00:06:35So does that mean that when they come into the place, they didn't quite grasp the magnitude of this job, you know, the size of the club?

00:06:42Because what's happened is you've employed to a couple of people, you've gave them a lot of responsibility, you've spent a lot and backed a lot financially and now they're thought, you know what, these guys are no for us going forward and we really need to kind of put people in place who can fulfil the demands of this football club.

00:06:58And I think that's, I think that's as much as they made the original kind of hiring, I think it's important to recognise that quickly when you've made a mistake.

00:07:08These guys are business people, Peter, they don't want to be wasting money, you know, they're looking at it now and going, we've given this guy £30 million this summer and we're poor.

00:07:16You mentioned, sorry Peter, you mentioned earlier now, he says, oh, obviously to get into January and it's not his players now, but they've got a raft of players sitting in the background picking up absolute fortunes.

00:07:26And I think that until they can free them up or get them off the books and whatever that looks like, and that's guys that have been there before I was there.

00:07:33So, you know, Rabi Matondo hasn't played this season, you've got Kieran Dowell and guys like that.

00:07:40So you're looking at these guys and then you also get the guys, and one of the, I remember, I don't know, there was a manager at once said, see if you sign a player and he's not quite hacking it, get him out the door as quickly as you possibly can.

00:07:50You know what I mean? And then you've obviously made a mistake, but try and ship him on as quickly as possible.

00:07:54But that could be a lot in January.

00:07:56Yeah, and that, to be perfectly honest with you, Ruffy, is not something that I think Andrew Kavanagh or the Consortium were thinking was going to happen.

00:08:05So many poor recruits and suddenly you find yourself so far behind hearts that you're actually thinking, you know, can we actually get moving up the table to get close to them?

00:08:17When really the expectations from the fans was to try and win the title off Celtic.

00:08:22Yeah, but as the guys are saying, you're not that far behind with the points difference to now.

00:08:27You know, you've saw that there is no consistency at all, even for Celtic and Hearts, they're starting to drop points now.

00:08:34You know, so if you're underneath that, you know, you're going to be saying, if we go on a wee run here, we could just close that gap.

00:08:40But certainly you've still got to win the games, you know, there'll be a lot of hard games coming up.

00:08:43But certainly I think when January comes, we'll get a clearer insight of where it's going.

00:08:49OK, give us your thoughts on that.

00:08:52What do Rangers need now?

00:08:54And they really need somebody to get the recruitment right as well.

00:08:57And Danny Roll, undoubtedly, Tam, just as a footnote to this, will have earmarked certain players that he knows,

00:09:03because that's what managers do.

00:09:05And he'll be saying, rather than this whole recruitment process that suddenly brings in players that probably Danny Roll wouldn't have sanctioned,

00:09:12I'd rather use the eight million better elsewhere.

00:09:16Maybe you've got a couple of players, he's undoubtedly going to suggest a few.

00:09:19Yeah, it might suit him better now that they're both gone.

00:09:21You know, he's more of a say who's going to come in, Peter.

00:09:23So he's obviously got great contacts in England from his time at Sheffield Wednesday.

00:09:27He'll have contacts in Germany and abroad.

00:09:29And he'll definitely be earmarking players in positions that he can go to the board and say,

00:09:33listen, we need to get him in, get him in, get him out.

00:09:34But as Alex says, Rangers have got a big squad.

00:09:37They've got a big budget.

00:09:38They're paying a lot of money.

00:09:39And the PSR and stuff like that as well, Rangers have got to be careful.

00:09:43You know, they've maybe got to get players out before they get players in.

00:09:45And as you said, you're looking at some of the money that they've spent,

00:09:48you know, eight million in Cermiti, four million on Ant-Man,

00:09:51Ant-Man, four million, Asgard.

00:09:53You know, there's guys like that and you're thinking,

00:09:55it's a real waste of money looking like it so far.

00:09:58You mentioned the performance levels now.

00:10:00Ali caught the highlights and it looked and obviously a few of my mates were at the game

00:10:03and he says it was absolutely dour.

00:10:05He says it was so poor at a performance.

00:10:09And you're looking at that, but then you think to yourself,

00:10:12when you think about the money they've spent,

00:10:14Ant-Man was about three and a half, four million quid.

00:10:16Asgard was about three million.

00:10:17Then you had Gassaman and Danilo up front was about five or six.

00:10:23So, you had Dear Mandy in the middle of the park with Nico Raskin.

00:10:27So, this is a really costly assembled squad.

00:10:31Even at the weekend when people were going,

00:10:33it was such a poor performance.

00:10:34But the one thing in terms of, you know,

00:10:36because you're saying the financial fair play,

00:10:39then you really need to look at Nico Raskin in January, Peter.

00:10:42And the reason being is, if he does not extend his contract,

00:10:47then you have to punt him.

00:10:48He's in his last 18 months, his contract.

00:10:49So, obviously, when you get to the summer,

00:10:51you're doing it in the last year,

00:10:52all the cards are with the player.

00:10:54So, for me, you really need to address that in this window.

00:10:56Can they afford to punt him?

00:10:59Yeah, of course they can.

00:11:00Current firm, yeah?

00:11:01Of course they can.

00:11:01But, listen, the thing is,

00:11:02you have to cash in on your assets when they're there, Peter.

00:11:04Otherwise, you know,

00:11:05and the thing is, it might free up money to bring someone else in,

00:11:09depending on who you can get in and out in January.

00:11:12So, for me, if he does not sign it,

00:11:15regardless of getting rid of him,

00:11:16you have to cash in.

00:11:17And all in all,

00:11:18you're happy with the decision by Andrew Cavanaugh.

00:11:20You think that was the right move,

00:11:22not just to pacify the fans.

00:11:25It's about the right move, business-wise,

00:11:27to get the right people in.

00:11:29Yeah, I don't think this is a particularly easy,

00:11:32you know, if you look at,

00:11:33oh, is it a tough decision to get rid of people?

00:11:34I think when you look at the landscape

00:11:36and where Rangers are at the moment,

00:11:37they've already rid of a manager,

00:11:38which is a costly part.

00:11:40But they two guys had a big part to play

00:11:43and Russell Martin come into the building,

00:11:45handing them all that money as well.

00:11:48So, I have no issues.

00:11:50And I think across the board,

00:11:52I don't think there'll be too many people dissenting

00:11:54that they've got rid of these two guys.

00:11:55OK, on other news now,

00:11:58and a story that PLZ Soccer broke last night,

00:12:01Wilfred Nonsi will be the Celtic manager on December 1st.

00:12:06All things being equal,

00:12:08contracts agreed and compensation

00:12:10paid for both Nonsi

00:12:14and the four members of his backroom,

00:12:16the staff that he wants to...

00:12:17Oh, yeah.

00:12:19Oh, right.

00:12:19...that he wants to bring in to Celtic.

00:12:23Now, I'm sure a number of people are wondering

00:12:26how long it's taken to try and get a manager in,

00:12:30but it's my understanding that, obviously,

00:12:32Columbus crew are certainly not going to be,

00:12:35you know, bending over backwards

00:12:36to let them go cheaply.

00:12:38They want fully compensated for the manager

00:12:40and anybody else who's under contract

00:12:42from that staff that's going to come.

00:12:45I think the criticism might be for Celtic's board,

00:12:48get it done, get them over, get them ready.

00:12:51There is a sense, also, that I think, ideally,

00:12:55if he does start on December 1st,

00:12:56his first game will be Dundee at home at Celtic Park.

00:13:00So that gives him a kind of an easier...

00:13:01Is that the one he's picked?

00:13:03It will.

00:13:05Do you look at the pictures?

00:13:07You might laugh at that, but quite simply,

00:13:10I think Martin O'Neill will be in charge,

00:13:12and he alluded to it after the game against St Mirren.

00:13:16And I think Martin O'Neill will be in charge for Feyenoord

00:13:20and possibly Hibbs.

00:13:21I mean, listen, if the deal is quickly done and dusted,

00:13:25but I would imagine Martin O'Neill will be in charge for Hibbs

00:13:27and then Wilfred Nonsi will come in.

00:13:31Now, what happens to Martin O'Neill and Sean Maloney after that?

00:13:34Only time will tell.

00:13:36I think Sean Maloney deserves some kind of promotion.

00:13:39And also, I think there are a number of Celtic fans

00:13:42that would like to see some kind of role for Martin O'Neill,

00:13:44whether that's feasible in all the workload he has,

00:13:47another matter.

00:13:48But the only thing I would say is a caveat for this.

00:13:52Deals at Celtic have broken down before,

00:13:55and I'm not covering my tail on this.

00:13:56I'm giving you the actualities.

00:13:57They've got to get the deal done.

00:13:59They've got to get the compensation paid for everyone.

00:14:02And they've got to get him in by December 1st.

00:14:04If this turns into another Eddie Howe debacle,

00:14:07then all the rumours sweeping Glasgow in the last 24 hours

00:14:10about Gary O'Neill potentially come in will not cut any ice

00:14:15with Celtic fans because that is about as uninspiring as it becomes.

00:14:19There are already some Celtic fans who maybe are not enthusiastic

00:14:24about Wilfred Nonsi.

00:14:26But his stats, certainly what he's done at Columbus Crew,

00:14:30there's a positivity and a greater argument for him coming in

00:14:34than a would-be Gary O'Neill.

00:14:36Well, I'm led to believe December 1st, in with his team,

00:14:40but all the parts of the deal have to be done and done quickly.

00:14:44Yeah, I think everything you've said there is correct.

00:14:46You know, the supporters have already showed their anger

00:14:48that what's going on at the club,

00:14:50if this was to fall far in its face again,

00:14:52you know, it would just add to all the resent that's going about.

00:14:56So they have to get it done.

00:14:57You know, I mean, Alec will know better than us

00:14:59about getting players on contracts and managers.

00:15:02It's not as easy as he would have in the past.

00:15:04I don't know about that, I signed your contract with Fissel in 10 minutes.

00:15:09Yeah, absolutely.

00:15:10No, I'm serious, I've got a tap of the head.

00:15:12Yeah, but nine minutes was convincingly,

00:15:14it was the best thing to do.

00:15:16Can't be a GSU, you're not controlling that family.

00:15:19Yeah, right, but I mean, it is more complicated, you know,

00:15:21if it'll be a three or a four and he's bringing these four guys over,

00:15:24so that all has to be negotiated as well.

00:15:28So it cannae fall on its face, you know.

00:15:31There's been too much publicity about it,

00:15:32and now you've got to decide is he the right man for the job

00:15:35and that'll be up to the supporters.

00:15:37I mean, listen, when you look into these negotiations,

00:15:43lots of people will be looking and saying,

00:15:45you're Celtic Football Club, go and get him.

00:15:48Don't argue with it.

00:15:49Don't let this one fall flat on its face.

00:15:51Just get him in.

00:15:52Get him in at the time that probably suits him,

00:15:54probably suits Celtic as well,

00:15:55because Martin and Sean Maloney have got that experience

00:15:58to be able to handle two ties,

00:16:00one that they're not expected to win,

00:16:02but another one that they've got to negotiate

00:16:04a really tough game at Easter Road.

00:16:07Yeah, I think the Celtic supporters will be looking at the board

00:16:09and saying, let's get this done.

00:16:11You know, it's so many times in the past,

00:16:14deals have fallen through for Celtic

00:16:16with haggling over money.

00:16:18You know, we've seen it in the window there.

00:16:20You know, the boy from Ajax,

00:16:21Ajax, I think they were, it was at Dahlberg.

00:16:22We were talking about signing and Ajax nipped him

00:16:24at the last minute and got him.

00:16:25And he turned out to be an absolute flopper.

00:16:28So they need to go and get the guy.

00:16:30This is obviously their number one candidate.

00:16:32They need to go and get him and his staff in.

00:16:33And as I said, they have got two difficult games.

00:16:35Fireland away, I think Celtic,

00:16:37you know, in terms of Europe,

00:16:38I think they should just partner at the minute

00:16:39and Rangers in terms of,

00:16:41and just look at domestic football.

00:16:42But then Hibs away is a really tough game.

00:16:44Hibs are playing well at the minute.

00:16:45So I think Celtic need a new manager in a bit, Peter.

00:16:48I think I watched the game at the weekend.

00:16:49We'll obviously speak about that.

00:16:50And I don't know there's something missing

00:16:52from Celtic at the minute.

00:16:53And I think a new manager would just maybe

00:16:54breathe some fresh impetus into the team.

00:16:56This is what Martin had to say

00:16:58about the whole delay in the manager after the game.

00:17:01The answer is that I genuinely do not know.

00:17:04But I would,

00:17:05and I thought that really it might have been sorted out

00:17:07at the break, but it's not been.

00:17:11So I would have assumed this is Saturday night.

00:17:15They've got Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.

00:17:18Otherwise there's a plane goes to Roderick on Wednesday.

00:17:21Yeah, listen, if you're going to analyse the two of them together,

00:17:26three of them, I'm going to include Martin Orther in that,

00:17:29because that's the team.

00:17:31And Martin O'Neill's been quick to highlight them.

00:17:32But if you're going to include all three of them,

00:17:35they've done an unbelievable job in the interim, Alec,

00:17:38because they've managed to get wins.

00:17:40We'll talk about the manner of the win in the last game,

00:17:43but nevertheless, it's four wins and one defeat against Michelin.

00:17:46No, and it's been impressive.

00:17:49And what they've done is they've steadied the ship

00:17:51and they've bought the board a little bit of time.

00:17:52And it's allowed them to go through this process.

00:17:55If they had a loss against Rangers,

00:17:58now it may well have speeded up the process.

00:18:00But, you know, Maloney's already been in there.

00:18:03He knows all the players.

00:18:04And with his experience, Martin's just kind of spoken there.

00:18:08And every time he's quite cool about what's actually going on,

00:18:12he's been giving everyone the update.

00:18:13And it does look as if it's imminent,

00:18:15even the way he's speaking there.

00:18:17Because you're absolutely right,

00:18:18the way he's speaking there is,

00:18:19potentially it might happen,

00:18:20but if it goes in there in a couple of games,

00:18:22then it's an added week.

00:18:24But what that does as well,

00:18:25if you get Nancy and the non-sign,

00:18:28and then his backroom staff,

00:18:30it gives them a month to assess the squad.

00:18:33And what they actually need to take this club forward.

00:18:36I'm sure they would have done their homework

00:18:38over the previous couple of weeks.

00:18:40Because if you're going into a job the size of Celtic,

00:18:43you want to know the players, the personnel,

00:18:45and what you're walking into.

00:18:46So I'm sure they're diligent enough to do that.

00:18:49So, you know, it gives them a month.

00:18:50But they've also got a chance to win a bit of silverware

00:18:52in the middle of next month as well.

00:18:53Well, I was looking at it.

00:18:54If you go in and you play Dundee,

00:18:56then you play Hearts at home,

00:18:58and then suddenly you've got the Cup final,

00:19:01and then you've got Roma and Dundee United.

00:19:03If you can land a trophy within that period as well,

00:19:06suddenly all singing, all dancing.

00:19:09Yeah, it could be a great start for them.

00:19:10Celtic at home, Hearts at home,

00:19:11and then the Cup final.

00:19:12So it'll be a great opportunity for him

00:19:14to go in there and catch Hearts possibly by then,

00:19:18and win a Cup as well.

00:19:20So, yeah, I think Celtic need them in.

00:19:22Need them in quickly, Peter.

00:19:23I think Martin O'Neill has been a safe pair of hands,

00:19:25but I'm looking at the Celtic performance.

00:19:27They're winning games,

00:19:28but I just feel as if they need something,

00:19:30something extra at the minute,

00:19:31something different,

00:19:31maybe a different voice in the dressing room.

00:19:33See the thing is,

00:19:34Tammy, you were talking about the performance levels,

00:19:36and then obviously this new fella

00:19:37potentially could come in next week.

00:19:39You're still working with the same players,

00:19:40and I think that's the issue,

00:19:41you know,

00:19:42because I think that when I look at them,

00:19:44they're pedestrian,

00:19:45you know,

00:19:46they're kind of one-paced.

00:19:47They look as if they're lacking

00:19:48a little bit of belief as well.

00:19:49Yeah, let's talk about the game.

00:19:51It was St Mirren 0-71,

00:19:53and it was the late, late show

00:19:55with a wonder goal from Callum McGregor.

00:19:58Yet again, I was there, Ruffy,

00:20:00and everything that Alex says is spot on.

00:20:03No flair,

00:20:05no creativity,

00:20:05creativity,

00:20:07and up front,

00:20:09Johnny Kenny is not at the level

00:20:12to hold the ball in,

00:20:13to do the things that you need to do

00:20:16when you've got chances,

00:20:17one chance.

00:20:18And the one moment of quality in the game,

00:20:21Ruffy,

00:20:21was McGregor.

00:20:23And the one moment of quality

00:20:24that McGregor provided,

00:20:26everybody will look at it and say,

00:20:28and you'll appreciate it,

00:20:29you two guys especially,

00:20:31it wasn't the third touch

00:20:32which puts the ball in the net.

00:20:34It's the first touch

00:20:35that takes it away from one player.

00:20:38Second to set,

00:20:39third the ball's in the back of the net.

00:20:41Go on, Ruffy,

00:20:41you can talk about strikes.

00:20:42I'm just,

00:20:43I still,

00:20:44listen,

00:20:44see the thing,

00:20:45as I've spoken about Callum McGregor,

00:20:46he's been a standout midfielder

00:20:47for years now.

00:20:49A wee bit of a stick

00:20:50at the start of the season,

00:20:51or he's kind of,

00:20:52towards,

00:20:53you know,

00:20:54petering out a little bit.

00:20:55He scored three

00:20:56in the last six games.

00:20:57This guy is the driving force

00:20:59behind that team,

00:21:00and it is a team that's struggling,

00:21:01regardless of what anyone says,

00:21:02because when you look at the personnel they have,

00:21:04they should be doing so much better,

00:21:06it all being their winning games,

00:21:08Peter.

00:21:10The one thing I'll say

00:21:11about this is,

00:21:13though,

00:21:13see the boy Liam Dornley?

00:21:15The way that he dives in

00:21:17as a former midfielder,

00:21:19I was cringing

00:21:20because the thing is,

00:21:21the one thing you know

00:21:21about Callum McGregor

00:21:22is he's trying to shift it

00:21:23onto his left foot,

00:21:24and he just takes his cell

00:21:25clean out of the game,

00:21:26as much as his touch is brilliant,

00:21:28and that was a bit of brilliance

00:21:30from a player

00:21:30at a better level

00:21:31than that was on the park,

00:21:33but the strike,

00:21:34you know,

00:21:34people say to me,

00:21:35today in training,

00:21:36they say,

00:21:37ah,

00:21:37but the keeper,

00:21:38and I'm like,

00:21:38what about the keeper?

00:21:39He had two keepers in there,

00:21:41and the thing is,

00:21:41when he opens it

00:21:42upon his left foot,

00:21:43is it George and Goal

00:21:44goes to,

00:21:45you know about this,

00:21:46you go to the left-hand side

00:21:47and he just rifles it

00:21:48back across the keeper.

00:21:49I thought it was

00:21:49a brilliant strike.

00:21:50Yeah.

00:21:51Tam,

00:21:51I turned around

00:21:52to a fellow journalist

00:21:53in the press box,

00:21:55and I said,

00:21:56he's the one player

00:21:58in that entire squad

00:22:00that would get into

00:22:00Martin O'Neill's team

00:22:01of 2001.

00:22:03And how do you who?

00:22:05I don't know.

00:22:07Lennon?

00:22:09Lennon Lambert?

00:22:09Do you want me to tell you something?

00:22:10I've checked Petroff.

00:22:11I'm looking,

00:22:12I'm seeing myself,

00:22:13can I phone Tom O

00:22:14and say,

00:22:14look,

00:22:14you're a sub?

00:22:15But,

00:22:15but McGregor is,

00:22:17is quality.

00:22:19He does what Lambert

00:22:20and Lennon did

00:22:21so effectively.

00:22:22He makes it easy

00:22:24for people to come out

00:22:25from the back

00:22:26who don't,

00:22:26who can't play

00:22:2725-yard balls.

00:22:28Five yards,

00:22:2910,

00:22:29moves it,

00:22:30shifts it,

00:22:30you know as well.

00:22:32See when you get somebody

00:22:33who can,

00:22:33Alec,

00:22:34who can actually

00:22:35not only give them

00:22:36an out ball,

00:22:37but suddenly

00:22:38he's there

00:22:39to say,

00:22:39I'm going to change

00:22:40the direction,

00:22:40I'm going to play it forward,

00:22:42I'm going to run

00:22:42or,

00:22:4420 yards out,

00:22:45I'm going to hit it.

00:22:46Even when you think about it,

00:22:47there's not many sixes

00:22:48in the league

00:22:49and that's the reason

00:22:49why I said

00:22:50he's a top midfielder

00:22:51for several years now

00:22:53at where,

00:22:54and the counter-argument

00:22:55for Rangers fans,

00:22:56ah,

00:22:56but he's playing no one,

00:22:57that's not his fault.

00:22:58Do you know what I mean?

00:22:59And I mean that

00:22:59with the greatest respect

00:23:00to everyone else,

00:23:00but this boy

00:23:01has been playing

00:23:02at a level

00:23:02for many years now

00:23:04and the fact that

00:23:04he churns out performances

00:23:05and what you're saying there

00:23:07is he's like the quarterback

00:23:08who slows it down,

00:23:09he speeds it up,

00:23:10plus when it really matters

00:23:11and it's interesting

00:23:12because I was looking

00:23:12at some of his stats

00:23:13for goals

00:23:14in the last couple of years,

00:23:15see when you go back

00:23:16to three,

00:23:16four,

00:23:17five years ago

00:23:17when Edward

00:23:18and Sinclair

00:23:20and all these guys

00:23:20were there,

00:23:21yeah,

00:23:21he didn't need

00:23:23to get the goals

00:23:24because the firepower,

00:23:26Kyogo,

00:23:27were all based there,

00:23:28but see when he's

00:23:28hit his step

00:23:29and modify his game

00:23:30and this is the ability

00:23:31of a top player is,

00:23:32when he has to step forward

00:23:33and be counted

00:23:34and drive the team forward,

00:23:35he has the ability

00:23:36to do that,

00:23:37he's just not a guy

00:23:37that keeps it ticking over

00:23:38and doesn't get

00:23:39into the opposing third,

00:23:41he's been a terrific player

00:23:43and there's still

00:23:44plenty more left in him.

00:23:45Yeah,

00:23:45the ultimate thing here

00:23:47and the damning

00:23:49indictment of

00:23:50not only the board

00:23:51and whoever's doing

00:23:51the recruitment,

00:23:54you know,

00:23:55you can look at

00:23:55Paul Tisdale,

00:23:56they can look at

00:23:57various others

00:23:58in the background

00:23:58who have been

00:23:59targeting players,

00:24:00they can look at

00:24:01Brendan Rodgers

00:24:01for sanctioning

00:24:02some of them

00:24:03if that's what

00:24:03we're led to believe,

00:24:05the recruitment

00:24:05has been equally

00:24:06as poor there

00:24:07for players

00:24:08who are taking up

00:24:09wages

00:24:09and not contributing.

00:24:11Yeah,

00:24:11I just don't think

00:24:12either,

00:24:13that's why

00:24:13Hearts are top

00:24:14of the league

00:24:14for me,

00:24:14Hearts' recruitment

00:24:15has been bang on

00:24:16and that's why

00:24:17Celtic Rangers

00:24:17are chasing them

00:24:18at the minute

00:24:18and it shouldn't

00:24:19happen,

00:24:19I mean,

00:24:19Hearts spent,

00:24:20I think,

00:24:20about 300 grand

00:24:21in the summer,

00:24:22Rangers spent 30

00:24:23million quid

00:24:23and they're 9 points,

00:24:2410 points behind

00:24:25Hearts,

00:24:25so that's why

00:24:26the two guys

00:24:27lost their job today

00:24:28because they're

00:24:29looking across

00:24:29the country

00:24:31and going,

00:24:31well,

00:24:31Hearts have spent

00:24:32300 grand

00:24:32and they're miles

00:24:33ahead of us,

00:24:34so what's going on here?

00:24:35We're businessmen,

00:24:36we're losing money,

00:24:37we've pumped a lot

00:24:37of dough in,

00:24:38so yeah,

00:24:39I think Celtic

00:24:40have wasted money

00:24:40as well

00:24:40and as I said to you,

00:24:41we've got to speak

00:24:42about Hearts as well,

00:24:43there's never been

00:24:44a better opportunity

00:24:44than this season

00:24:45for Hearts to go

00:24:46and win the league

00:24:46because they won't

00:24:47get a better chance

00:24:48in the next couple

00:24:48of seasons

00:24:49because Celtic

00:24:50Rangers will get

00:24:50their finger out.

00:24:51Yeah,

00:24:52we'll get to Hearts

00:24:52in a minute

00:24:53because I know you're

00:24:53bursting to talk

00:24:54about it.

00:24:55Oh,

00:24:55I know,

00:24:55I should see

00:24:55in his eyes

00:24:56there.

00:24:57There's a big smile

00:24:58on his face

00:24:58but let me tell you

00:24:59this,

00:24:59Ruffy,

00:25:00over the piece,

00:25:02you know,

00:25:02I don't know about

00:25:02some people who've

00:25:03said St Mirren

00:25:04are not a good

00:25:05team to watch,

00:25:06they are a good

00:25:07team to watch,

00:25:07they mix it up,

00:25:08they had the better

00:25:09of the chances

00:25:10in this game.

00:25:11Do you think it

00:25:11was offside,

00:25:12Peter?

00:25:12A bit of luck,

00:25:12well,

00:25:13this is the big debate

00:25:14that we're going to

00:25:14have now because

00:25:16in the after-match

00:25:18press conference,

00:25:20never mind with the

00:25:21written press

00:25:21everywhere,

00:25:22he was desperate,

00:25:23desperate to highlight

00:25:24the fact he was

00:25:25not happy.

00:25:26Stephen Robinson

00:25:27on the goal that

00:25:28was chalked off

00:25:29when Liam Scales

00:25:29putting it in his

00:25:30own net.

00:25:31Liam doesn't see

00:25:32Conor,

00:25:33doesn't see him,

00:25:33he's marking

00:25:34Jonah Yunga,

00:25:34he's only looking

00:25:35at Jonah Yunga,

00:25:36he isn't in

00:25:37Kasper's eye line,

00:25:39so that's a

00:25:40subjective decision

00:25:40isn't it?

00:25:41You've got to be

00:25:41called over to make

00:25:42a subjective decision

00:25:42because it's not a

00:25:43factual offside

00:25:44decision.

00:25:46Apparently the

00:25:47emotion towards

00:25:47the ball,

00:25:48some phrase that

00:25:49they've made up

00:25:49now as well,

00:25:50that'll be a new

00:25:50one for it.

00:25:52Really,

00:25:53really,

00:25:53that's four goals

00:25:54in four games

00:25:54now where

00:25:55lines are drawn

00:25:56in the wrong

00:25:57place and then

00:25:59it's described as

00:26:00they got lucky.

00:26:02So,

00:26:02yeah,

00:26:02look,

00:26:03it's really,

00:26:03really frustrating.

00:26:03We can't control

00:26:04that,

00:26:05we can't control

00:26:05the quality of

00:26:06the decisions,

00:26:06we can control

00:26:07our decision

00:26:07making.

00:26:10It's a motion

00:26:11towards the ball,

00:26:11he's a centre

00:26:12forward.

00:26:13What,

00:26:13is he just not

00:26:13going to bother

00:26:14going for it

00:26:14if it comes

00:26:15through?

00:26:16Does it matter

00:26:16that Liam Scales

00:26:17hasn't seen him?

00:26:18No,

00:26:18I don't think so.

00:26:19I mean,

00:26:19as soon as you see

00:26:20the ball coming in

00:26:20there,

00:26:21he's offside,

00:26:22clear as in.

00:26:24Yeah,

00:26:24listen,

00:26:25I have real

00:26:26sympathy for him

00:26:27because of the

00:26:28nature of the

00:26:28last few games

00:26:29where he's also

00:26:30had three goals

00:26:30disallowed and

00:26:32I think once,

00:26:35as Ruffy says,

00:26:35once he motions

00:26:36towards the ball,

00:26:37if he stands

00:26:38and just kind of

00:26:39holds his ground

00:26:40without going

00:26:40towards the ball,

00:26:41that goal stands.

00:26:43But unfortunately

00:26:43when he motions

00:26:44towards it,

00:26:44whether Scales

00:26:45sees him or not,

00:26:46he then becomes

00:26:47active.

00:26:47And then I think

00:26:48it's a fairly

00:26:48straightforward,

00:26:50as I said,

00:26:50I think over the

00:26:52piece,

00:26:53I think they were

00:26:53unlucky not to

00:26:54win the game.

00:26:55I thought they

00:26:55were excellent.

00:26:56I know there's

00:26:56one or two

00:26:57pundits out there

00:26:57say they're a hard

00:26:58watch.

00:26:59Not for me.

00:26:59I see a team

00:27:00that's united,

00:27:01they're aggressive,

00:27:02they're physical

00:27:03and I just think

00:27:05it's a matter of

00:27:05time before their

00:27:06season really kicks

00:27:07off because they

00:27:08have real good

00:27:09qualities.

00:27:10They also look as

00:27:10if they've got a

00:27:11brilliant team

00:27:11spirit.

00:27:12You don't work to

00:27:13that level and

00:27:15give Celtic that

00:27:16type of game if

00:27:17you've not got

00:27:17something going

00:27:18within their

00:27:18ranks and the

00:27:19results will

00:27:20change for them.

00:27:21I agree with you

00:27:21100%.

00:27:22I like watching

00:27:23St Mirrenbio.

00:27:23I think they've

00:27:24got the ability

00:27:25to mix it.

00:27:26They've also got

00:27:27the, by the way,

00:27:27when somebody

00:27:28wants to have a

00:27:28wee goal,

00:27:29you just turn

00:27:30around and you

00:27:30say, by the way,

00:27:31I'm just about to

00:27:31unleash Gogage on

00:27:32you.

00:27:33Are you up for

00:27:33it?

00:27:34Because he

00:27:35epitomises it.

00:27:36I love watching

00:27:38him because he

00:27:39can have a wee

00:27:40bit of that,

00:27:41a wee bit of

00:27:41dig, a wee bit

00:27:42of the late

00:27:43tackle, but he

00:27:44actually can play

00:27:44a bit of football.

00:27:45I think you've

00:27:45got to be kind

00:27:46to them.

00:27:46They're hard to

00:27:46play against

00:27:46St Mirrenbio.

00:27:47They don't just

00:27:49punt up the

00:27:49part.

00:27:50They put nice

00:27:51clipped balls

00:27:52into the channel

00:27:52for people to

00:27:53go and run

00:27:53into.

00:27:53They get the

00:27:53balls into

00:27:54strikers'

00:27:54feet, they get

00:27:55runners off

00:27:55them.

00:27:59I think they

00:28:00will start

00:28:01climbing the

00:28:01table.

00:28:01I know they're

00:28:02struggling a wee

00:28:02bit at the

00:28:02minute, but the

00:28:04performance, they've

00:28:04not got the rub

00:28:05of the green.

00:28:06Against Hibs,

00:28:06they've always

00:28:07disallowed that

00:28:07one.

00:28:08They're just

00:28:08going through a

00:28:08spell at the

00:28:09minute where

00:28:09every week there

00:28:10seems to be

00:28:11something going

00:28:11against them.

00:28:12Those little

00:28:1250-50 decisions

00:28:13are going against

00:28:13them, but that

00:28:14will turn in

00:28:15their favour,

00:28:15I think.

00:28:16Bob says,

00:28:16St Mirrenbio are

00:28:17an atrocious

00:28:18team to watch.

00:28:19Okay.

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00:28:21who Bob supports?

00:28:24We'll find out.

00:28:25Bob will tell us.

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00:28:26Bob.

00:28:26Come back to us,

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00:28:29watching them

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00:28:30week.

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00:29:43Okay, let's get to

00:29:44the meat and bones of

00:29:45Rangers 2,

00:29:46Livingston 1.

00:29:48Everybody's talking

00:29:49about it.

00:29:49Was it a penalty?

00:29:50Should it have been

00:29:51a penalty?

00:29:52Is this another

00:29:53blunder by VAR?

00:29:55This is what David

00:29:56Martindale had to

00:29:56say.

00:29:58I don't understand

00:29:59why it's not a

00:30:00penalty and I'm not

00:30:01just the only

00:30:01manager.

00:30:02This will happen to

00:30:04Danny no doubt at

00:30:04some point.

00:30:06It happens to

00:30:06some manager every

00:30:08week sitting moaning

00:30:09about VAR and

00:30:11blatant decisions.

00:30:13Then you get an

00:30:13apology.

00:30:14Apology's not going

00:30:15to help me on

00:30:16Monday morning.

00:30:17Apology's not going

00:30:18to help my group.

00:30:19Apology's not going

00:30:20to give me a point

00:30:20to try and get

00:30:21us off the table.

00:30:22Apology's not going

00:30:23to give me three

00:30:23points.

00:30:24I don't think they

00:30:25understand what's

00:30:25actually at stake

00:30:26and how much this

00:30:28means to managers

00:30:28and clubs.

00:30:30It's just flipping.

00:30:31I've got it wrong,

00:30:32sorry.

00:30:32Move on to next

00:30:33week.

00:30:33There's another

00:30:34three decisions

00:30:34that are wrong.

00:30:35I don't think we

00:30:36can keep going

00:30:36down this road.

00:30:37Something needs

00:30:38to change and it

00:30:39needs to change

00:30:39very, very quickly.

00:30:42Was there a penalty

00:30:42I like Ray?

00:30:43For me it was a

00:30:44penalty.

00:30:45I didn't have any

00:30:45qualms.

00:30:48I'm not going to

00:30:48go into the actions

00:30:49but when you lead

00:30:50with your left

00:30:50leg to block it

00:30:51and then you've

00:30:52got your arm there

00:30:52you know biomechanics

00:30:53you run like

00:30:54so for me he's

00:30:55made his cell bigger

00:30:56and I'm on a wee

00:30:58chart with a few

00:30:59fellow Rangers fans

00:31:00and to a man

00:31:01they all say

00:31:02it was a penalty

00:31:02so I've yet to

00:31:03actually hear anyone

00:31:04go that's not a

00:31:04penalty other than

00:31:06the guy that was

00:31:06in charge of R

00:31:07and I think that's

00:31:09the issue now.

00:31:09So see the thing

00:31:10is it's like

00:31:10there's not even

00:31:11a review

00:31:12there wasn't a

00:31:13review to come

00:31:14over and have

00:31:14the monitor

00:31:15and I'm not

00:31:17quite sure of

00:31:17the process

00:31:18I think the

00:31:18inconsistency is

00:31:19week on week

00:31:20here that no

00:31:21one knows.

00:31:22So I was talking

00:31:23to Marvin

00:31:23Bartley about

00:31:23this as well

00:31:24so what is

00:31:25when they go

00:31:25close proximity

00:31:27we're in the

00:31:28game.

00:31:28What is the

00:31:29distance?

00:31:30What's the

00:31:30speed?

00:31:31No one knows.

00:31:32I don't even

00:31:34think the

00:31:34referees are

00:31:35aware of the

00:31:36distance, the

00:31:36speed and things

00:31:37and the chops

00:31:38and change on

00:31:38such a regular

00:31:39basis that

00:31:40they're making

00:31:41a real mess

00:31:43of the

00:31:44VAR situation.

00:31:45I quite like

00:31:45VAR.

00:31:46There's times

00:31:46that I think

00:31:47that's a really

00:31:47good decision

00:31:47that's helped

00:31:48to get to

00:31:50the correct

00:31:50decision but

00:31:51there's times

00:31:51when I'm

00:31:52looking at this

00:31:52on a regular

00:31:53basis and

00:31:53going and I

00:31:55can't believe

00:31:55obviously they'll

00:31:57get the review

00:31:57probably in the

00:31:58next couple of

00:31:58weeks when

00:31:59Willie does

00:32:00his programme

00:32:01but I think

00:32:05we can simplify

00:32:06it as well.

00:32:06You know there

00:32:07was a suggestion

00:32:08that he might

00:32:08have bounced

00:32:08off his thigh

00:32:10onto his arm.

00:32:11I would make

00:32:11that as clear

00:32:12as you like

00:32:13because he was

00:32:13saying that

00:32:14in that scenario

00:32:15somebody hits

00:32:16a shot and

00:32:16it bounces

00:32:16off my foot

00:32:17and hits

00:32:18my arm

00:32:18and I'm

00:32:19thinking at

00:32:20what point

00:32:20does that

00:32:20become a

00:32:21thing?

00:32:21Do you know

00:32:21what I mean?

00:32:22Simplify it.

00:32:22If it comes

00:32:23off a different

00:32:23part of your

00:32:23body and

00:32:24hits your

00:32:24arm then

00:32:25go with the

00:32:26first part

00:32:26not the

00:32:26second and

00:32:28I think they

00:32:28can make it

00:32:29easier for

00:32:29themselves.

00:32:29I just think

00:32:30it's a real

00:32:30mess and

00:32:31I actually

00:32:32think the

00:32:32consistency

00:32:33of the

00:32:35VAR review

00:32:36type thing

00:32:37because they're

00:32:37over so

00:32:37quickly.

00:32:38As I said

00:32:39I spoke to

00:32:39Marvin and

00:32:40the time he

00:32:40gets out

00:32:40and they're

00:32:41going it's

00:32:41been checked

00:32:42and cleared

00:32:42and you're

00:32:42thinking

00:32:42really?

00:32:43It's such a

00:32:44crucial part

00:32:45of the game.

00:32:46They take

00:32:46three or four

00:32:47minutes at

00:32:48certain times

00:32:48but when it's

00:32:49a penalty

00:32:50I just think

00:32:52they're making

00:32:52a real mess

00:32:52here.

00:32:53I think it's

00:32:54too easy for

00:32:54them to come

00:32:55out and say

00:32:55later on we

00:32:57got it wrong.

00:32:57We spoke

00:32:59about it on

00:32:59Friday.

00:32:59I'd like to

00:33:00hear the

00:33:00audio.

00:33:01I'd like to

00:33:02hear what

00:33:02they're saying.

00:33:03What is that

00:33:04guy up in the

00:33:04VAR saying to

00:33:06the referee about

00:33:06that incident?

00:33:07I'd love to

00:33:08hear him.

00:33:08We've said

00:33:09that time and

00:33:10time again.

00:33:10This has got

00:33:11to be a rugby

00:33:12situation where

00:33:14you get a

00:33:15chance to hear

00:33:16live what the

00:33:18referee has

00:33:19deemed why it's

00:33:20a penalty or

00:33:21why it's not

00:33:21decisions and

00:33:23they relay that

00:33:25to the crowd.

00:33:25but we also

00:33:26need that part

00:33:28which we have

00:33:28mentioned before

00:33:29which is that

00:33:30dialogue between

00:33:31them and not

00:33:32so far away from

00:33:33the game that

00:33:34suddenly it's

00:33:36almost as if it's

00:33:36taking the sting

00:33:37out of it because

00:33:37quite simply the

00:33:39VAR on that day

00:33:40was operated by

00:33:40John Beaton and

00:33:42John Beaton

00:33:43clearly didn't even

00:33:44suggest that he

00:33:45should go and

00:33:46have a look at

00:33:46it.

00:33:47Now I think

00:33:47Willie Colum

00:33:48will be going to

00:33:49John Beaton and

00:33:50saying how did

00:33:52you get to that

00:33:53point in your

00:33:53mind?

00:33:54I thought

00:33:56David Martindale

00:33:56hit the nail on

00:33:57the head there

00:33:57it's not just an

00:34:00apology in the

00:34:00next midweek

00:34:01we've seen it

00:34:01every week

00:34:02every manager's

00:34:03been in that

00:34:03situation with

00:34:04David Martindale

00:34:04where there's

00:34:05caution you

00:34:05points it's a

00:34:06real crucial

00:34:07point in the

00:34:07game it's one

00:34:08each.

00:34:08Livingston have

00:34:09got a chance to

00:34:10go 2-1 up and

00:34:10Rangers are

00:34:11playing poorly

00:34:11they've got a

00:34:12chance to go and

00:34:12win the game

00:34:13from that and to

00:34:14say that he came

00:34:15up off his thigh

00:34:16and hit his hand

00:34:16it didn't there

00:34:17was a couple of

00:34:17camera angles that

00:34:18I've seen it

00:34:19just hit his hand

00:34:20so I don't know

00:34:21where John Beaton

00:34:21got it come off

00:34:22his knee onto

00:34:23his hand

00:34:23so listen

00:34:24I'm looking forward

00:34:26to what I call

00:34:26him making that

00:34:27phone call to

00:34:27David Martindale

00:34:28this week

00:34:28because it's

00:34:30probably in fact

00:34:31it's not it is

00:34:31it's the worst

00:34:32decision I've seen

00:34:33all season

00:34:33it's the worst

00:34:34decision I've seen

00:34:34all season

00:34:34it's a clear

00:34:35penalty there's no

00:34:36doubt there's no

00:34:37dubiety about that

00:34:38it's a penalty kick

00:34:39do you think

00:34:41and I'm not quite

00:34:43sure where this

00:34:43goes roughy but

00:34:44do you think

00:34:45there's a time

00:34:46now again

00:34:47where Willie

00:34:48Collum has to

00:34:49in this era of

00:34:50transparency that

00:34:51he's talking about

00:34:52do you have to

00:34:55get to a situation

00:34:55where Willie has

00:34:56to come out and

00:34:57say to everyone

00:34:58well listen I've

00:34:59had a chat with

00:34:59John Beaton or

00:35:00I've had a chat

00:35:01with another referee

00:35:02or another person

00:35:03who's on the VAR

00:35:04who's got something

00:35:04fundamentally wrong

00:35:06that made a real

00:35:07error is there a

00:35:08case here for

00:35:09referees?

00:35:09to be demoted

00:35:10from VAR if you

00:35:11can't interpret it

00:35:12properly and that

00:35:14to be real aid to

00:35:14everybody?

00:35:16Yeah well I think

00:35:16it should be the

00:35:18same it should be

00:35:20the same as the

00:35:20referees

00:35:21I like that

00:35:21question sorry

00:35:22I'm going to

00:35:22it should be the

00:35:23same as happens

00:35:24to the referees

00:35:25if they go on a

00:35:25stinker for two or

00:35:26three they don't

00:35:27get semi-finals

00:35:28they don't get

00:35:29finals they just

00:35:30don't get the big

00:35:31games

00:35:31we've only got

00:35:35two or three top

00:35:36ones that get

00:35:37them all the time

00:35:38but the other ones

00:35:38who are on the way

00:35:39up if they get

00:35:41marked against

00:35:41them they don't

00:35:42get the big

00:35:42games so you're

00:35:43right at VAR

00:35:44I just don't

00:35:45understand when

00:35:46they come out

00:35:46and say oh

00:35:47there's human

00:35:48error

00:35:48the technical

00:35:50knowledge

00:35:51you've been up

00:35:52there

00:35:52how many

00:35:53televisions have

00:35:54they got

00:35:54how many people

00:35:55are they all

00:35:55discussing with

00:35:56each other

00:35:56how is that

00:35:57human error?

00:35:58there's three

00:35:58there's three and

00:35:59then there's a

00:35:59button and then

00:36:00the communication

00:36:01delay delay delay

00:36:02there's a decision

00:36:03that they're going

00:36:04to be looking at

00:36:05but quite simply

00:36:06for that one

00:36:07I cannot wait to

00:36:08hear the audio

00:36:09on it

00:36:09you were obviously

00:36:11saying they

00:36:11demote him from

00:36:12VAR

00:36:13right okay so

00:36:14you demote him

00:36:14from VAR

00:36:15does that mean

00:36:15you give him a

00:36:16game on a

00:36:17Saturday?

00:36:18you don't give

00:36:18him a premiership

00:36:19game

00:36:19yeah well the

00:36:20thing is I think

00:36:20what they do is

00:36:21they tend to do

00:36:22it they'll bump

00:36:23them down for one

00:36:24game and then

00:36:24they come back up

00:36:25so see the thing

00:36:26I see when you're

00:36:26talking and I

00:36:27understand and I

00:36:28think there's a lot

00:36:28of people out there

00:36:29with David Martindale

00:36:30I've had this

00:36:31discussion with

00:36:31Mark there was

00:36:32one there's things

00:36:34most week that I

00:36:35go I'm going to

00:36:36I'm going up this

00:36:37week I always say

00:36:38I'm going up this

00:36:38week and Mark

00:36:39said to me he

00:36:40says what would

00:36:41you benefit if he

00:36:41says listen that's

00:36:42a red card

00:36:43this is Mark

00:36:43Wilson

00:36:44yes and so he

00:36:45would he would

00:36:46so if he said to

00:36:48me that's a

00:36:48correct decision he

00:36:49should have been

00:36:50red carded and you

00:36:50should have had an

00:36:52extra man so you

00:36:54get that but you'd

00:36:55really don't it's

00:36:56passed the

00:36:57opportunity's passed

00:36:58and I'm not even

00:37:00sure at our level

00:37:01that Willie would

00:37:02have the time to

00:37:03go round because

00:37:03there's so many

00:37:04managers phoning him

00:37:05to go to the

00:37:05referee in this

00:37:06situation because he

00:37:09doesn't have the

00:37:09time to go round

00:37:10all these referees

00:37:11that might actually

00:37:12change their

00:37:13approach or a

00:37:14different slant on

00:37:15certain instances

00:37:16so what's happening

00:37:17is people are not

00:37:18even bothering

00:37:19getting up or even

00:37:20voicing their

00:37:21concerns anymore

00:37:22because it's almost

00:37:22we're accepting

00:37:23this and there's a

00:37:24real frustration

00:37:25well I think

00:37:26that's to the

00:37:27detriment of the

00:37:27game because I

00:37:28automatically think

00:37:29that there must be

00:37:30consistently communication

00:37:32now there was a

00:37:34criticism many many

00:37:35years ago about the

00:37:35fact that referees

00:37:36would be relaying to

00:37:39managers what's going

00:37:41to happen for the

00:37:41season and how they're

00:37:42going to try and

00:37:42better themselves in

00:37:43this area this area

00:37:44here are new rules

00:37:45here's how we're

00:37:46going to interpret

00:37:47them and some

00:37:47managers didn't bother

00:37:48their back end

00:37:49turning up to it

00:37:50but now we've got a

00:37:51situation that's a

00:37:53fact by the way

00:37:54no no no listen

00:37:55and I know who

00:37:56you're talking about

00:37:56right but some

00:37:57managers didn't

00:37:57bother turning up

00:37:58but now because

00:37:59there is a there is

00:38:01definitely a need for

00:38:02communication I think

00:38:04managers have every

00:38:05right to speak in the

00:38:06Monday no matter how

00:38:07pissed off Davy

00:38:08Martindale is I'd love

00:38:09to have been there as

00:38:10Tam says to hear him

00:38:11say you know it's a

00:38:13penalty but now I

00:38:16think there has to be

00:38:18accountability because

00:38:20we're all accountable

00:38:21at times when we get

00:38:22things wrong players

00:38:23Russell Martin team's

00:38:25not good enough some

00:38:26players didn't fancy it

00:38:28two players dropped the

00:38:29next week we all knew

00:38:29who they were yeah

00:38:31Peter I went to see

00:38:32John Fleming the head

00:38:33of refereeing when I

00:38:33was at St Mirren and

00:38:36I took up five penalty

00:38:37incidents that I felt

00:38:39was penalty he says

00:38:40four of them are

00:38:40penalties I'm not quite

00:38:41sure about the other

00:38:42one and I says to him

00:38:43well I actually believe

00:38:44the five of them are

00:38:45John but thanks for

00:38:45seeing me and a couple

00:38:47of weeks later I was

00:38:48sacked do you know

00:38:49what I mean and they

00:38:50could have made a

00:38:51difference in that

00:38:52scenario so but again

00:38:54you're talking about

00:38:55demoting people and I

00:38:58think there's a regular

00:38:59basis where people are

00:39:00making mistakes in the

00:39:02VAR room and they have

00:39:03multiple camera angles

00:39:06to make these decisions

00:39:07and they're still not

00:39:07getting it right so you

00:39:09can question VAR as

00:39:10much as you like and I

00:39:11know it's a watered

00:39:12down version as

00:39:13opposed to the big

00:39:13leagues but sometimes

00:39:16they're still coming to

00:39:16the wrong conclusions and

00:39:18I'm not really sure

00:39:18there's too many people

00:39:19paying the price so you

00:39:21agree with me 100%

00:39:22yeah okay just a couple

00:39:25of things I want to get

00:39:25your thoughts on you

00:39:27know for the game we

00:39:28always like to talk

00:39:29positively about some

00:39:30great bits of skill

00:39:31Teddy Yenge controlling

00:39:33that ball out of the

00:39:34air was outrageous yeah

00:39:36it was a great goal

00:39:36you know two two

00:39:37centre-backs for

00:39:38Rangers are sleeping

00:39:39obviously and it's just

00:39:39a straight ball down the

00:39:40middle they'd be they'd

00:39:42be raging with that goal

00:39:43but it's a great great

00:39:44first touch and he puts

00:39:44it in the net and they

00:39:45should have done better

00:39:46but when the penalty

00:39:47came across to him he

00:39:47kind of flapped it that

00:39:48wee bit yeah he should

00:39:50have done better

00:39:51obviously it's on target

00:39:52but you know just

00:39:53watching the highlights

00:39:54you know I don't think

00:39:55there was much in the

00:39:55game Limitson missed a

00:39:56great chance in the

00:39:57second half as well I

00:39:58think but they did a

00:39:58great save so listen

00:40:00well Rangers are

00:40:01caring about winning

00:40:02games but I think their

00:40:02performance levels need

00:40:03to get better when they

00:40:04come up against better

00:40:05opposition yeah

00:40:05listen Rangers got the win

00:40:07in the end and Danny

00:40:08Roller Rangers mind

00:40:09just said you know

00:40:09maybe I'm not sure but

00:40:11some people have said

00:40:12to him that that might

00:40:14not have been the case

00:40:14before he came in

00:40:16yeah I wasn't here a

00:40:18couple of weeks ago but

00:40:19maybe a couple of weeks

00:40:20ago we wouldn't win

00:40:22this this game at the

00:40:24moment we win these

00:40:24games of course we can

00:40:26ask about how but at the

00:40:28moment when I arrived

00:40:30here I said it's important

00:40:31to win games we do this

00:40:33at the moment still space

00:40:35for improvements this is

00:40:37the good part even now

00:40:39today new two center

00:40:41backs together this is

00:40:43also something what you

00:40:44have to develop they need

00:40:46game minutes Nedim got

00:40:48today first appearance

00:40:51since I'm arrived and

00:40:52these are the small steps

00:40:53we have to go in

00:40:54together as a group

00:40:55yeah we got the win

00:40:58and slowly but surely you

00:41:00know from a season where

00:41:01people thought maybe it

00:41:02was a catastrophic

00:41:03write-off do you still

00:41:05think they're in it

00:41:06if they win their game

00:41:07in hand was that back

00:41:08down to six points I

00:41:09don't think that's

00:41:09insurmountable at this

00:41:10particular stage of the

00:41:12season again January

00:41:13could be important for

00:41:14all the clubs and

00:41:16I mean just have a few

00:41:18injuries at the moment

00:41:18as well that they need

00:41:19to get their best

00:41:20players back on the

00:41:21pitch and I think at the

00:41:23moment he's just gone

00:41:24from game to game I

00:41:24don't think he's looking

00:41:25too far in the future

00:41:26Peter because I think

00:41:27he's still trying to

00:41:28fathom out which is the

00:41:29best shape because he's

00:41:31flipped from a three to a

00:41:32four on a regular basis

00:41:33so I think he's still

00:41:35finding his feet in

00:41:36there and I think if he

00:41:38can keep it going then

00:41:39obviously momentum may

00:41:40well kick in because I

00:41:42think that was one of the

00:41:43key things that's been

00:41:43mentioned that this group

00:41:44of players is they

00:41:45couldn't get a string of

00:41:46games together you know

00:41:47you look at Hearts are

00:41:48just on an incredible run

00:41:49which gave them that

00:41:49but if Rangers can go on

00:41:51an eight ten game then

00:41:53there could be a real

00:41:53bit of belief and a bit

00:41:54of momentum behind them

00:41:55okay let's listen has it

00:41:57has it has it burst is it

00:41:59burst Aberdeen one Hearts

00:42:01nil and before all the

00:42:02Dons fans on here start

00:42:05giving us pelters for

00:42:06talking about Hearts well

00:42:07done to Aberdeen they

00:42:08played the best football

00:42:09created really good

00:42:10chances in the game

00:42:11albeit I think Hearts

00:42:12created a number of

00:42:13chances which they blew

00:42:14but they got the win with

00:42:15a really good goal

00:42:16yep and Aberdeen are

00:42:17starting to pick up I

00:42:18think they you know were

00:42:19very critical of Jimmy

00:42:20Tallinn you know three

00:42:21four weeks ago losing

00:42:23heavily in Athens in the

00:42:24Conference League a lot

00:42:25of pressure was on them

00:42:25but starting to keep

00:42:27clean sheets now as well

00:42:28wee bit more dig about

00:42:28them I think Aberdeen

00:42:29and I think they deserve

00:42:31to win the game Hearts

00:42:32often puffed thought

00:42:33they missed Shankland

00:42:33big time I thought

00:42:35they missed that

00:42:35cutting edge in the

00:42:36forward areas

00:42:36you had Halkett

00:42:38Beningame

00:42:39yeah I think three

00:42:40huge players missing

00:42:42for Hearts and it

00:42:42showed and I thought

00:42:44Aberdeen ran out

00:42:45comfortable winners so

00:42:46for Aberdeen yep

00:42:47they've got a real

00:42:48opportunity to go and

00:42:49claim the league

00:42:49take their fixtures

00:42:50after the game they've

00:42:51got some real

00:42:51opportunities to go up

00:42:52the table and the

00:42:53pressure's you know

00:42:54now off Jimmy

00:42:55Tallinn a little bit

00:42:56more and in Hearts

00:42:57listening they need to

00:42:58react to their first

00:42:59defeat you know I

00:43:00think that's two draws

00:43:02and a defeat in the

00:43:02last four games so

00:43:03they've they're starting

00:43:05to drop points now

00:43:06and the rest of them

00:43:06are looking at it

00:43:07even Hibbs you know

00:43:08are looking at it

00:43:08going we can catch

00:43:09them now

00:43:09any time for panic

00:43:11not according to the

00:43:12Hearts boss Derek

00:43:13McInnes

00:43:13I'm not too disappointed

00:43:15I'm disappointed we've

00:43:16lost a game of

00:43:16football I knew a defeat

00:43:18would come at some

00:43:19point and as I say

00:43:21we wanted to try and

00:43:21keep it as far away

00:43:22through the door as

00:43:23possible and I'm not

00:43:25going to be critical of

00:43:25the players because

00:43:26they've been absolutely

00:43:28first class it's the

00:43:30first time I've stayed

00:43:31unbeaten as a manager

00:43:32in the league way into

00:43:33November so I'm grateful

00:43:35for what we've got here

00:43:36and we'll go again

00:43:37what do you think of that

00:43:39Robbie

00:43:39yeah I thought Tom

00:43:41hit it in the head

00:43:42there I thought

00:43:42Aberdeen had a bit of

00:43:43dig I thought this one

00:43:45there was 50-50s that

00:43:47you could see they were

00:43:49wound up for it you

00:43:50know they've been fed up

00:43:50getting pelters for

00:43:51everybody and they said

00:43:52right we're going to get

00:43:53about this team quite

00:43:54rightly so because when

00:43:55you come up against the

00:43:56top team in the division

00:43:58you've got to you know

00:43:59do show a bit of dig

00:44:00and I think that's what

00:44:01they did and I think

00:44:02they moved on from that

00:44:03aspect of the game to

00:44:04win it

00:44:05what do you make of

00:44:05Jack Milne?

00:44:07I thought he was

00:44:08excellent Peter I think

00:44:09that he epitomised

00:44:10Aberdeen and we're

00:44:12speaking about a bit of

00:44:13dig I thought they

00:44:13they'd really liked that

00:44:14the game I've seen them

00:44:15against Hibs I think

00:44:17Hibs won 2-1 it

00:44:17because they've been

00:44:184-5 I thought they

00:44:19looked very weak all

00:44:20over the park and I

00:44:22think he's come into

00:44:22the team and he was

00:44:23outstanding at the

00:44:24weekend so no I think

00:44:25if you're an Aberdeen

00:44:26fan you're starting to

00:44:27see shoots of recovery

00:44:28you're starting to see a

00:44:29shape they've got

00:44:30quality Aberdeen

00:44:30they've got quality

00:44:31footballers on their

00:44:32team but it was just

00:44:32that little bit of

00:44:33digger I thought

00:44:33they were lacking

00:44:34but they showed that

00:44:35in abundance yesterday

00:44:36you know why I asked

00:44:37that because I'm

00:44:37desperate to find a

00:44:38centre-half for

00:44:40Scotland for this

00:44:42World Cup

00:44:43yeah I know I know

00:44:43and that's it

00:44:44they're not going to

00:44:45find them

00:44:46this squad is this

00:44:47squad and that's it

00:44:48you know that's what

00:44:48I think and you see

00:44:50guys like Jack

00:44:50Milne who are young

00:44:51and it's just it's

00:44:52come too quickly

00:44:53yeah possibly yeah

00:44:54the one that was

00:44:55going to do in the

00:44:56rounds a couple of

00:44:56days ago was the

00:44:57boy Barns

00:44:57I would add throw him

00:45:00in all day long

00:45:00just to recall

00:45:01it he's got

00:45:02we spoke about

00:45:03the line

00:45:03and then we spoke

00:45:05two goals against

00:45:05Man City

00:45:06I'm like

00:45:06maybe take him

00:45:07now

00:45:07but do you know

00:45:09the thing

00:45:09he's got quality

00:45:10he's got ability

00:45:12so if somebody

00:45:13comes in and

00:45:13you know in the

00:45:14squad you know

00:45:15you're looking at

00:45:16your squad and

00:45:16you're thinking

00:45:17we've got there

00:45:19we've got there

00:45:20we've given you

00:45:21everything the manager

00:45:22would you

00:45:22I'm just asking you

00:45:23as a player

00:45:24would you feel a

00:45:25little bit pissed off

00:45:26if I was the one

00:45:26that was punted

00:45:27I'd be devastated

00:45:28and I get that

00:45:29but there's been

00:45:30better players

00:45:30than

00:45:30you know

00:45:32there was

00:45:32was it

00:45:33McCoy's missed out

00:45:33didn't he

00:45:34Gazza missed out

00:45:35as well for England

00:45:36one time

00:45:37so you've got to

00:45:38make the big calls

00:45:38Peter

00:45:38but the thing is

00:45:39we really struggle

00:45:40at the top end of the

00:45:41pitch

00:45:41do you know what I mean

00:45:42so if we can get

00:45:43a wee bit of craft

00:45:44and a wee bit of quality

00:45:44I would most certainly

00:45:45put him

00:45:46and that might be

00:45:46harsh to somebody

00:45:47who's actually got us

00:45:48who would you

00:45:49sacrifice

00:45:49oh I don't know

00:45:51I'll come back

00:45:54to you next week

00:45:54can I play

00:45:55in the wide areas

00:45:56because if you had him

00:45:57maybe on the left hand side

00:45:58and don't know right

00:45:59all of a sudden

00:46:00it's like no bug button

00:46:01can I ask you this question

00:46:02I said on Friday

00:46:03I said on Friday

00:46:04I have no chance

00:46:05and now I'm saying

00:46:06after one game

00:46:07terrible

00:46:07it's horrendous for me

00:46:08it really is

00:46:09it's bad actually

00:46:09I still like you

00:46:10to change your opinion

00:46:10but you should

00:46:12you should actually

00:46:12go down Ruffy's route

00:46:14which is no opinion

00:46:15so you never really

00:46:16change your opinion

00:46:16you're never really

00:46:17in trouble

00:46:17can you get pulled up

00:46:18you compliment the side

00:46:22and then you go back

00:46:23I think they'll lose 3-0

00:46:24and people forget

00:46:25that you've actually

00:46:25said something

00:46:26but on that point

00:46:28can I just throw

00:46:29this spanner

00:46:29on the works

00:46:30for you guys

00:46:30and you're probably

00:46:31the best place for it

00:46:32if Scotland

00:46:34were to pick up

00:46:35an injury

00:46:35to one of their

00:46:36key midfielders

00:46:37I'm again

00:46:38a McTominay

00:46:39you know

00:46:41the other

00:46:43the third one

00:46:44that's bad

00:46:44Gilmore

00:46:45Gilmore

00:46:46or

00:46:47Ferguson

00:46:48would you

00:46:50if you were

00:46:51Steve Clark

00:46:52go back

00:46:52and say to

00:46:53Callum McGregor

00:46:54would you

00:46:55any chance

00:46:56you could just

00:46:56come in

00:46:56potentially

00:46:57yeah

00:46:57because what

00:46:58he brings to

00:46:58the table

00:46:59as well

00:46:59you know

00:47:00again it depends

00:47:01on how he does

00:47:02between now

00:47:02and the end

00:47:03of the season

00:47:03Callum

00:47:04but

00:47:04he just brings

00:47:06see the one

00:47:07thing

00:47:07at international

00:47:08level

00:47:08as well

00:47:08you need to

00:47:09keep a hold

00:47:10of the ball

00:47:10and Callum

00:47:11McGregor

00:47:11does it

00:47:12as well

00:47:12as any

00:47:12of them

00:47:12you know

00:47:13Billy

00:47:13Gilmore

00:47:13Ferguson's

00:47:15a spoiler

00:47:16and getting

00:47:17after people

00:47:17and things

00:47:18but you have

00:47:19to have

00:47:19someone who

00:47:20can actually

00:47:20keep control

00:47:21on the ball

00:47:22otherwise

00:47:22you're just

00:47:22constantly

00:47:23under pressure

00:47:23and I actually

00:47:24think in recent

00:47:25games

00:47:25some of the

00:47:26games that

00:47:26we've actually

00:47:27been under

00:47:28pressure

00:47:28you know

00:47:28when we played

00:47:29against Greece

00:47:29even for the

00:47:30first 30 minutes

00:47:31when we beat

00:47:31them

00:47:31they're popping

00:47:32through the

00:47:32lines really

00:47:33so we need

00:47:34to get people

00:47:34and then when

00:47:35Gilmore comes on

00:47:35he just shows

00:47:36that level of

00:47:37composure and

00:47:37quality on the

00:47:39ball

00:47:39so yeah

00:47:40let's put it

00:47:41this way

00:47:41if Billy Gilmore

00:47:42came out of the

00:47:43squad then I

00:47:43would be

00:47:44inclined to say

00:47:45that Callum

00:47:45McGregor

00:47:45potentially could

00:47:46come in

00:47:46because he's

00:47:47a bit light

00:47:48for light

00:47:48good on the

00:47:49ball

00:47:51we've been

00:47:52talking about

00:47:53his win

00:47:54he's missed a

00:47:55few chances

00:47:55I mean his

00:47:56header over

00:47:56the bar was

00:47:57just

00:47:57seriously

00:47:59his first

00:48:00touch again

00:48:01we're talking

00:48:01about first

00:48:01touches

00:48:02his first

00:48:03touch for

00:48:03his goal

00:48:03was brilliant

00:48:04yeah I think

00:48:05he's desperate

00:48:05for a goal

00:48:06I think that's

00:48:06the first goal

00:48:07he's scored

00:48:07in the league

00:48:07since August

00:48:08so he's been

00:48:09in a bit of

00:48:10a drought

00:48:10and there's a

00:48:11striker it starts

00:48:11to creep out

00:48:12in your mind

00:48:12and probably

00:48:13when he missed

00:48:13that sitter

00:48:14he thought

00:48:14what's it like

00:48:14to him

00:48:14a drought

00:48:1510 years

00:48:18in my career

00:48:18a drought

00:48:18what club

00:48:21are you talking

00:48:22about

00:48:22the goal

00:48:25shrink to

00:48:26a matchbox

00:48:26and when he

00:48:27missed that

00:48:27sitter

00:48:27you can see

00:48:28in his face

00:48:29when he scored

00:48:29it's relief

00:48:30I think he'll

00:48:32go on the run

00:48:32now Peter

00:48:32I think he just

00:48:33needed a goal

00:48:34and he gets

00:48:34a great goal

00:48:35he sets up

00:48:36the second goal

00:48:36with a nice

00:48:36wee layoff

00:48:37into McGrath

00:48:38and Hib's

00:48:38won the game

00:48:39comfortably

00:48:39so he's the

00:48:40one player for

00:48:41me that

00:48:42on the outside

00:48:43looking in at

00:48:44the minute

00:48:44who could get

00:48:44into the squad

00:48:45and could

00:48:45possibly get

00:48:46into the team

00:48:46for Scotland

00:48:47for Scotland

00:48:49who's coming

00:48:53out

00:48:53Dykes

00:48:54or Shankland

00:48:55or Adams

00:48:55I think he's

00:48:56as good as him

00:48:56Peter

00:48:56and I think

00:48:58he's quicker

00:48:58and I think

00:48:58he's more

00:48:59mobile

00:48:59I think he's

00:49:00stronger

00:49:00I genuinely

00:49:02think Kean

00:49:03Bowie

00:49:03if he gets

00:49:03back to

00:49:03the form

00:49:04at the start

00:49:04of the season

00:49:04can get

00:49:06into the

00:49:06Scotland

00:49:06squad

00:49:07Hurst coming

00:49:07out

00:49:08somebody

00:49:10that's

00:49:10just

00:49:10we're not

00:49:12blessed

00:49:13he can

00:49:13throw a

00:49:13blanket

00:49:14over them

00:49:14because

00:49:15Shea Adams

00:49:17will go

00:49:17because

00:49:17he'll run

00:49:18constantly

00:49:20and he

00:49:21deserves

00:49:21it

00:49:21Dykes will

00:49:22go

00:49:22Dykes will

00:49:23definitely

00:49:24go

00:49:24because

00:49:24he

00:49:24again

00:49:25can't

00:49:25score

00:49:26a goal

00:49:26but can

00:49:27absolutely

00:49:28run across

00:49:29that front

00:49:29back floor

00:49:30and try

00:49:30and annoy

00:49:31them

00:49:31I think

00:49:31Shankland

00:49:31will go

00:49:31as well

00:49:32because

00:49:32he's

00:49:32capable

00:49:33of

00:49:33nicking

00:49:33a goal

00:49:33and I

00:49:33think

00:49:33that

00:49:33fourth

00:49:34striker

00:49:34he's

00:49:36Bowie

00:49:36or

00:49:37Hurst

00:49:38doesn't

00:49:39really set

00:49:39the head

00:49:40of them

00:49:40no

00:49:40absolutely

00:49:41no

00:49:41and the

00:49:42thing

00:49:43I agree

00:49:44with Shankland

00:49:44because

00:49:45Shankland

00:49:45just

00:49:45sniff

00:49:46goals

00:49:46but it's

00:49:46not just

00:49:47that

00:49:47I think

00:49:47over

00:49:48Shankland's

00:49:49career

00:49:49I think

00:49:50he's

00:49:50become

00:49:50a real

00:49:50intelligent

00:49:51number

00:49:51nine

00:49:51when he

00:49:51drops

00:49:52in

00:49:52and he

00:49:53allows

00:49:53people

00:49:53to

00:49:54link

00:49:54and

00:49:54then

00:49:55you

00:49:55get

00:49:55runners

00:49:55going

00:49:55in

00:49:55behind

00:49:55but

00:49:56again

00:49:56that

00:49:57goes

00:49:57back

00:49:57to

00:49:57you

00:49:57get

00:49:57your

00:49:58dokes

00:49:58and

00:49:58then

00:49:58if

00:49:58you

00:49:58brought

00:49:59the

00:49:59other

00:49:59night

00:50:02when

00:50:03dokes

00:50:03went

00:50:04off

00:50:04from being

00:50:05really on

00:50:06the front

00:50:06foot

00:50:06and it

00:50:07allows you

00:50:07to get

00:50:07after

00:50:07teams

00:50:08and

00:50:08get

00:50:08up

00:50:08the

00:50:08pitch

00:50:08as soon

00:50:09as we

00:50:09lost

00:50:09him

00:50:09by the

00:50:10way

00:50:10it was

00:50:10like

00:50:10the old

00:50:10day

00:50:11he was

00:50:11just

00:50:11going

00:50:11back

00:50:12the way

00:50:12yeah

00:50:13absolutely

00:50:13just on

00:50:15that point

00:50:16I was

00:50:16going to

00:50:16draw your

00:50:16attention

00:50:17to it

00:50:18Tam

00:50:18because I

00:50:18thought

00:50:19he was

00:50:19worthy

00:50:20of a

00:50:20mention

00:50:21just

00:50:21because

00:50:21of

00:50:21the

00:50:22last

00:50:22couple

00:50:22of

00:50:22weeks

00:50:23where

00:50:23I'm

00:50:24just

00:50:24going

00:50:24to

00:50:25pull

00:50:25up

00:50:25his

00:50:25name

00:50:26for

00:50:26you

00:50:26because

00:50:27obviously

00:50:27you

00:50:27might

00:50:27want

00:50:28to

00:50:28talk

00:50:28about

00:50:28him

00:50:28but

00:50:28he's

00:50:37he can

00:50:37play

00:50:38right

00:50:39wing

00:50:39back

00:50:39he's

00:50:40versatile

00:50:40he's

00:50:41got

00:50:41running

00:50:41power

00:50:42he's

00:50:43been

00:50:43outstanding

00:50:43for

00:50:43him

00:50:43this

00:50:44season

00:50:44very good

00:50:44so he's

00:50:45won

00:50:45maybe not

00:50:46in the

00:50:47midfield

00:50:47role

00:50:47but maybe

00:50:48in the

00:50:48right

00:50:48wing

00:50:49back

00:50:49role

00:50:49if he

00:50:49played

00:50:49a

00:50:503-5-2

00:50:50he could

00:50:51possibly

00:50:51go

00:50:51the

00:50:52next

00:50:52point

00:50:52I'm

00:50:52going to

00:50:53make

00:50:53to you

00:50:53is

00:50:53this

00:50:53Ruffy

00:50:54what was

00:50:55the

00:50:55second

00:50:56bottom

00:50:56position

00:50:57points

00:50:57last

00:50:58season

00:50:58that

00:50:58got

00:50:58the

00:50:59team

00:50:59in

00:51:00a

00:51:00playoff

00:51:00and

00:51:01not

00:51:02relegated

00:51:02the

00:51:03points

00:51:04I've

00:51:05worked

00:51:06out

00:51:06over

00:51:06maybe

00:51:0610

00:51:07or so

00:51:07years

00:51:0728

00:51:09no

00:51:09it's

00:51:1031

00:51:10no

00:51:10it's

00:51:1137

00:51:12points

00:51:12so 37

00:51:13points

00:51:14in this

00:51:15league

00:51:15you are

00:51:16in trouble

00:51:16you're

00:51:17banging

00:51:17trouble

00:51:17anything

00:51:18from

00:51:1835

00:51:19down

00:51:20you're

00:51:21relegated

00:51:21you're

00:51:22going to

00:51:22be

00:51:22in the

00:51:2312th

00:51:23position

00:51:24but

00:51:2437

00:51:24is

00:51:25usually

00:51:25if you

00:51:26can

00:51:26get

00:51:26to

00:51:2640

00:51:27usually

00:51:28in a

00:51:31bad

00:51:31year

00:51:3237

00:51:33points

00:51:34now

00:51:34the

00:51:35reason

00:51:35why

00:51:35I

00:51:35say

00:51:36that

00:51:36to

00:51:36you

00:51:36Ruffy

00:51:36is

00:51:37quite

00:51:37simply

00:51:37I'm

00:51:38looking

00:51:38at

00:51:39the

00:51:39table

00:51:39I'm

00:51:40looking

00:51:40at

00:51:40Falkirk

00:51:41they're

00:51:41on

00:51:4119

00:51:42points

00:51:42already

00:51:42and

00:51:44you know

00:51:44I

00:51:45thought

00:51:45they were

00:51:46going to

00:51:46be

00:51:46banging

00:51:46trouble

00:51:47you can't

00:51:48take it

00:51:48away from

00:51:49they're

00:51:49playing

00:51:49good

00:51:49football

00:51:50you start

00:51:51giving

00:51:52Falkirk

00:51:52credit

00:51:52and you

00:51:54keep

00:51:54hanging

00:51:55every

00:51:55week

00:51:55the

00:51:56good

00:51:58thing

00:51:58about

00:51:59it

00:51:59is

00:51:59usually

00:52:00I

00:52:00can

00:52:00hold

00:52:00an

00:52:01opinion

00:52:01for

00:52:01maybe

00:52:01four

00:52:02or

00:52:02five

00:52:02weeks

00:52:02you're

00:52:03holding

00:52:04opinion

00:52:04for

00:52:04four

00:52:04or

00:52:04five

00:52:05days

00:52:05now

00:52:05Barnes

00:52:06no chance

00:52:07he scores

00:52:07two goals

00:52:08maybe

00:52:09have a

00:52:09look at

00:52:10him

00:52:10see him

00:52:13next

00:52:13week

00:52:13he's

00:52:14hopeless

00:52:14so

00:52:16I

00:52:17stand

00:52:17by

00:52:18again

00:52:18and say

00:52:18I hold

00:52:19my

00:52:19hands

00:52:19up

00:52:19John

00:52:20McGlynn

00:52:20I said

00:52:20was a

00:52:21good

00:52:21coach

00:52:21we

00:52:21followed

00:52:22them

00:52:22we did

00:52:22a

00:52:23documentary

00:52:23on

00:52:23them

00:52:23last

00:52:24season

00:52:24Falkirk

00:52:25they've

00:52:26stepped

00:52:26up

00:52:26to

00:52:27the

00:52:27plate

00:52:27I

00:52:27have

00:52:28to

00:52:28say

00:52:28you're

00:52:29not

00:52:29helped

00:52:29by

00:52:29Kucherenko

00:52:30in your

00:52:30goalkeeper's

00:52:31department

00:52:31because he

00:52:32had an

00:52:32absolute

00:52:32shocker

00:52:33can't defend

00:52:34him

00:52:34can't defend

00:52:35him

00:52:35the

00:52:37unfortunate

00:52:38thing

00:52:38it's not the

00:52:38first time

00:52:39he's done

00:52:39it this year

00:52:40he's done

00:52:40it a few

00:52:41times

00:52:41come out

00:52:41punched

00:52:42and it's

00:52:43went a bit

00:52:43ski whiff

00:52:44and it's

00:52:44caused a

00:52:45goal

00:52:45so you

00:52:46can see

00:52:46his face

00:52:47and the

00:52:48big debate

00:52:48after it

00:52:49I mean

00:52:49I'm going to

00:52:50ask you

00:52:50this

00:52:50the big

00:52:51debate

00:52:52was

00:52:52do you

00:52:52take

00:52:53him

00:52:53off

00:52:53at

00:52:53half

00:52:53time

00:52:53yeah

00:52:55I know

00:52:55it's very

00:52:55rare you

00:52:56take a

00:52:56keeper

00:52:56off

00:52:56no I

00:52:57know

00:52:57I

00:52:58think

00:52:59Rangers

00:52:59did it

00:53:00in the

00:53:00last

00:53:00couple

00:53:00of

00:53:00seasons

00:53:01was there

00:53:01somebody

00:53:02that was

00:53:02taking

00:53:02off

00:53:02just kill

00:53:02him

00:53:02but if you

00:53:03do

00:53:03that

00:53:03you

00:53:03do

00:53:03it

00:53:04the

00:53:05start

00:53:05of the

00:53:05season

00:53:06the boy

00:53:06Smith

00:53:06remember

00:53:06against

00:53:07was it

00:53:07Patterson

00:53:07Belgrade

00:53:08sold

00:53:09two in

00:53:09the first

00:53:09half

00:53:10and you're

00:53:10thinking

00:53:10he's

00:53:10going to

00:53:10take

00:53:11him

00:53:11the worst

00:53:12one

00:53:12I've

00:53:12seen

00:53:21and he's

00:53:21up the

00:53:21far

00:53:22end

00:53:22and so

00:53:23you can

00:53:23imagine

00:53:23they both

00:53:24dug out

00:53:24so he's

00:53:25on this

00:53:25side

00:53:25he's

00:53:25got the

00:53:25halfway

00:53:26line

00:53:26and so

00:53:27the next

00:53:27minute

00:53:28he's

00:53:28put the

00:53:28board

00:53:28up

00:53:28number

00:53:28one

00:53:29the

00:53:30reserve

00:53:31goalie's

00:53:31coming on

00:53:31and so

00:53:33you can

00:53:34see him

00:53:34going

00:53:34he's

00:53:35looking

00:53:36about

00:53:36right

00:53:36and you

00:53:37see

00:53:37Decanio

00:53:37so the

00:53:38boys

00:53:38walked

00:53:38for the

00:53:3918 yard

00:53:39ball

00:53:39and he's

00:53:39doing

00:53:40that

00:53:40Decanio

00:53:41oh by the

00:53:44way

00:53:44it was

00:53:45brutal

00:53:46and I

00:53:47think

00:53:47it was a

00:53:48wee bit

00:53:48after

00:53:48and that

00:53:49was his

00:53:49last

00:53:49game

00:53:49he was

00:53:49finished

00:53:50after

00:53:50that

00:53:50but that

00:53:50was the

00:53:51worst

00:53:51I'd ever

00:53:52seen

00:53:52after 20

00:53:53minutes

00:53:53by the way

00:53:53he never

00:53:54even caught

00:53:54his eye

00:53:54just went

00:53:55why shouldn't

00:53:58it be

00:53:58substituted

00:53:59I don't

00:54:01mind it

00:54:02substituted

00:54:02but he's

00:54:03doing that

00:54:03for a bit

00:54:03the slow

00:54:04walk

00:54:05and see

00:54:05at Preston

00:54:06it's

00:54:06behind

00:54:06the opposite

00:54:07goal

00:54:07so he's

00:54:08walked

00:54:08100

00:54:08yards

00:54:09and he's

00:54:10seen a few

00:54:11expletives

00:54:11on the way

00:54:12past

00:54:12you're

00:54:12a

00:54:13oh

00:54:14Ruffy

00:54:15I know

00:54:16but you just

00:54:17say that

00:54:17because it

00:54:17doesn't happen

00:54:18that often

00:54:18if it

00:54:19happened

00:54:19regular

00:54:19you might

00:54:20be able

00:54:21to accept

00:54:21it

00:54:21because it

00:54:22never

00:54:22happens

00:54:23it'd ruin

00:54:24you

00:54:24you'd have

00:54:25to be a

00:54:25really strong

00:54:26guy to

00:54:26recover

00:54:27for that

00:54:27fair play

00:54:28to Falkirk

00:54:29they stepped

00:54:29up to the

00:54:30plate

00:54:30got the

00:54:30three goals

00:54:31got the

00:54:31three points

00:54:32and again

00:54:34you look at

00:54:34them

00:54:34they're on

00:54:35the top

00:54:35half of

00:54:35the table

00:54:36Tam

00:54:36yep

00:54:37I don't

00:54:37think they'll

00:54:37go down

00:54:38Peter

00:54:38I think

00:54:38they're a

00:54:39really good

00:54:39footballing

00:54:40team

00:54:40they've got

00:54:40good

00:54:40experience

00:54:41good legs

00:54:41good

00:54:41mixture

00:54:42they've got

00:54:43a winning

00:54:43mentality

00:54:43they've won

00:54:44league one

00:54:44championship

00:54:45into the

00:54:46Premier League

00:54:47they've got a

00:54:47good spirit

00:54:47all they boys

00:54:48have come

00:54:48through together

00:54:49and I think

00:54:50they're a good

00:54:53football team

00:54:53but I think

00:54:55they can mix

00:54:55it as well

00:54:55I don't think

00:54:56they're soft

00:54:56I don't think

00:54:57you can bully

00:54:57them

00:54:57so I think

00:54:59there's more

00:54:59chance of them

00:54:59finishing the

00:55:00top six

00:55:00than they're

00:55:01getting relegated

00:55:01Aurora says

00:55:02Ruffy have you

00:55:03ever been subbed?

00:55:05no

00:55:05there was never

00:55:07a subkeeper

00:55:08on the bench

00:55:08but was there?

00:55:09there was only

00:55:09two subs or

00:55:10something

00:55:10well you would

00:55:11laterally have

00:55:12there was not a

00:55:13subkeeper on the

00:55:13bench

00:55:13there was two

00:55:14outfield players

00:55:15you were always

00:55:15number one choice

00:55:18you were never

00:55:19in the cities

00:55:20even where you

00:55:21were demoted

00:55:21I don't remember

00:55:22being a reserve

00:55:23it's a wee

00:55:23better no shit

00:55:24to you

00:55:24Ruffy get

00:55:25whammed up

00:55:25you're coming

00:55:26off

00:55:26I don't

00:55:28remember

00:55:29ever being a

00:55:30reserve

00:55:30don't worry

00:55:33about that

00:55:33I won the

00:55:34Pontins league

00:55:34with Sunderland

00:55:35in my first

00:55:35year

00:55:35I was going

00:55:39through some

00:55:40difficult times

00:55:40I'll be honest

00:55:41listen

00:55:42Commandant won

00:55:43middle three

00:55:43and now

00:55:44the run

00:55:45goes on

00:55:46for Stuart

00:55:46Kettlewell

00:55:46get you under

00:55:47pressure

00:55:47there was booze

00:55:48just at half

00:55:49time

00:55:49but again

00:55:50they had

00:55:50chances to

00:55:51get something

00:55:52out of that

00:55:52game

00:55:53but you could

00:55:54see

00:55:54at the interview

00:55:55after the game

00:55:56it was a wee

00:55:57bit put out

00:55:58I think

00:55:59is he under

00:56:00pressure

00:56:00I think

00:56:01when you go

00:56:0260 feet

00:56:03trot

00:56:03you know

00:56:04you know

00:56:05how the

00:56:05landscape

00:56:05is

00:56:06I think

00:56:07he initially

00:56:07done really

00:56:08well

00:56:08at the start

00:56:09of the season

00:56:09I like Stuart

00:56:11I like the way

00:56:11he works

00:56:12and I like the way

00:56:12he goes about

00:56:13his business

00:56:13and I'm hopeful

00:56:14that he can turn

00:56:15this round

00:56:15but it's a very

00:56:17unforgiving business

00:56:18and that's the thing

00:56:18I see when things

00:56:19are going well

00:56:19you've just got to

00:56:20try and enjoy it

00:56:20for the moment

00:56:21because it's

00:56:21five or six wins

00:56:22and then all of a

00:56:23sudden people are

00:56:23saying you need to

00:56:24make a change

00:56:25and it's

00:56:25unforgiving

00:56:26and as we mentioned

00:56:28at the top of the show

00:56:28those four months

00:56:29January, May, November

00:56:31and December

00:56:32notoriously

00:56:32in the five top leagues

00:56:33that's when

00:56:34you know

00:56:35chairman and boards

00:56:37tend to

00:56:37pull the plug

00:56:38make a change

00:56:39because they don't

00:56:40want to get to a

00:56:40situation where

00:56:41it becomes

00:56:42not savable

00:56:44I think

00:56:44Kilmarnock

00:56:45thankfully are not a club

00:56:46that would do that

00:56:47I think Stuart

00:56:48deserves his time

00:56:49I also think

00:56:50by the way

00:56:50listening to the

00:56:51aftermatch interview

00:56:52from Stephen Presley

00:56:53that Dundee

00:56:53just need to stick by him

00:56:55and give him his run

00:56:55as well

00:56:56yeah

00:56:56listen

00:56:57nobody's been cut

00:56:58adrift Peter

00:56:59I think that's

00:56:59important

00:56:59I think if you're

00:57:00a Dundee fan

00:57:01or a Camarnock fan

00:57:02or a Livingston

00:57:03there's a point or two

00:57:04between the three of them

00:57:05I think if you're

00:57:06sitting with four points

00:57:07and you're eight

00:57:08nine points adrift

00:57:08you're goosed

00:57:09so I think

00:57:10the league's

00:57:11solved tight

00:57:12from

00:57:12you've got it up there

00:57:14Peter

00:57:14you've got the league

00:57:14table there

00:57:15it's really really tight

00:57:16from the bottom

00:57:17up to about eighth

00:57:18he stays

00:57:19and he's not

00:57:19showing him in

00:57:21he's just

00:57:22what he does

00:57:24is all my research

00:57:25there's guys

00:57:27coming up

00:57:27going

00:57:28I'm one of the

00:57:28finest

00:57:29pundits ever

00:57:30this is the guy

00:57:31who couldn't even

00:57:31read out a team sheet

00:57:32because it blew away

00:57:33when he was on BBC

00:57:34Scotland

00:57:34and I still hired him

00:57:36so

00:57:36so there's two points

00:57:38between the

00:57:38bottom

00:57:38they're only six

00:57:44points

00:57:44the reason

00:57:46why I was doing

00:57:47that

00:57:48and I do hope

00:57:48they stick by them

00:57:49because they

00:57:49absolutely need to

00:57:51have a look at the

00:57:52premiership table

00:57:53and as you can see

00:57:55there

00:57:55it's

00:57:56it's still

00:57:56all up for grabs

00:57:58there's a long way to go

00:57:59we're only in that

00:58:00first quarter

00:58:01really

00:58:02before you start

00:58:04to get into

00:58:05the squeaky bum

00:58:06time

00:58:06which is

00:58:07certainly not

00:58:08at this moment

00:58:08anyway

00:58:09there's no

00:58:09decoder drift

00:58:10so that's

00:58:10certainly to the

00:58:11credit of

00:58:12everybody at the

00:58:13bottom

00:58:13you can throw

00:58:13a blanket

00:58:13over four or five

00:58:14of them

00:58:15if they go on

00:58:15a bad run

00:58:16so long way to go

00:58:17and hearts

00:58:18slowly but surely

00:58:19getting reeled in

00:58:20has the bubble

00:58:20burst

00:58:21give us your

00:58:21thoughts on that

00:58:22and the reason

00:58:23why I was

00:58:23actually going

00:58:24to the

00:58:26front of the

00:58:28screen

00:58:28was to get

00:58:29this up

00:58:29because quite

00:58:30simply

00:58:30you can see

00:58:31it there

00:58:31the team

00:58:33that's

00:58:33in the running

00:58:34to win the

00:58:35championship

00:58:35and they're

00:58:36stepping up

00:58:37to the plate

00:58:37your boys

00:58:38beat

00:58:38St Johnstone

00:58:39which I

00:58:40didn't see

00:58:40coming

00:58:40I'm not

00:58:41going to be

00:58:41two-faced

00:58:42and it's

00:58:43now home

00:58:44against

00:58:44St Ferman

00:58:45yes

00:58:46and

00:58:46we're mindful

00:58:48as I said

00:58:49I spoke to you

00:58:49prior to

00:58:50coming on the

00:58:50show

00:58:50St Johnstone

00:58:52are a really

00:58:52good team

00:58:52they pop the

00:58:53ball about

00:58:54really well

00:58:54they have a

00:58:55really good

00:58:55philosophy

00:58:55and they have

00:58:56a really good

00:58:56squad of

00:58:57players

00:58:57so they'll

00:58:58be there

00:58:58very much

00:58:59at the

00:58:59shake-up

00:58:59we were

00:59:00delighted

00:59:00to get

00:59:00the result

00:59:01we changed

00:59:02the shape

00:59:03on Saturday

00:59:03as well

00:59:03so that we

00:59:04could be a

00:59:06bit more

00:59:06resolute

00:59:06and we

00:59:07worked on

00:59:08a few

00:59:08things

00:59:08that worked

00:59:08on the

00:59:09day

00:59:09so we're

00:59:09delighted

00:59:09we've got

00:59:10another tough

00:59:11one tomorrow

00:59:11night against

00:59:12Neil's lot

00:59:12and I think

00:59:13it's one

00:59:13defeating seven

00:59:14for them

00:59:14so they're

00:59:15in a real

00:59:15purple patch

00:59:16as well

00:59:17so we've

00:59:18just got to

00:59:18keep going

00:59:18and really

00:59:20really enjoying

00:59:20it I have to

00:59:21say I wasn't

00:59:21quite sure

00:59:22what I was

00:59:22going to walk

00:59:23into in the

00:59:24summer

00:59:24but the

00:59:25group of

00:59:26players are

00:59:26brilliant

00:59:27so you see

00:59:27when you get

00:59:27a group of

00:59:28guys that

00:59:28are all

00:59:28buying into

00:59:29it it's

00:59:29interesting

00:59:29just to give

00:59:30a little

00:59:30flavour before

00:59:31we finish

00:59:31up we're

00:59:33doing a bit

00:59:34of set

00:59:34plays and

00:59:35so obviously

00:59:35the guys

00:59:36that are

00:59:36not normally

00:59:36playing are

00:59:37like oh here

00:59:37we go and

00:59:38they're looking

00:59:38at the

00:59:38ceiling and

00:59:39all that and

00:59:39one of the

00:59:39boys pitched

00:59:40up about a

00:59:42set play we were

00:59:43working on a

00:59:43little bit of

00:59:44small detail who

00:59:46wasn't involved in

00:59:46the actual attacking

00:59:47side of it and

00:59:48we highlighted that

00:59:50because normally

00:59:50they're not

00:59:51really invested

00:59:52in the set

00:59:52plays and

00:59:54ultimately it

00:59:54was the

00:59:55winning you

00:59:56know go to

00:59:56three points by

00:59:57actually paying

00:59:58off so it's

00:59:59really important

01:00:00for us that

01:00:00everybody's buying

01:00:01into what we're

01:00:01doing and

01:00:02they're a great

01:00:02group yeah

01:00:03absolutely and

01:00:04even better you

01:00:05and Mark

01:00:05team to have

01:00:06ended off

01:00:07well listen I've

01:00:08always got on

01:00:08where I'm

01:00:09considering they

01:00:09played for the

01:00:10dark side

01:00:10yeah absolutely

01:00:11and amazingly

01:00:12that was amazing

01:00:14that was amazing

01:00:14just shake up

01:00:18don't get

01:00:19don't be offended

01:00:20don't be offended

01:00:21by that that is

01:00:22a bit of

01:00:22popular tribalism

01:00:25because

01:00:26you live in the

01:00:28west of Scotland

01:00:29you can put up

01:00:30with that as

01:00:31banter now for

01:00:32the people who

01:00:32are easily offended

01:00:33believe me

01:00:34calm your

01:00:35jets

01:00:35do you know

01:00:36the great thing

01:00:37about this we've

01:00:37got a host of

01:00:38boys that are

01:00:39Celtic orientated

01:00:40in the team as

01:00:41well and we get

01:00:41all this kind of

01:00:42stuff on a daily

01:00:43basis it's

01:00:43brilliant I love

01:00:44it

01:00:44no I was going

01:00:45to say I'm

01:00:45amazed you actually

01:00:46got together with

01:00:47them because

01:00:47obviously when we

01:00:48play the six of

01:00:49sides you know

01:00:49if you're not

01:00:50winning you start

01:00:50scalping people

01:00:51there

01:00:51there's no way

01:00:53Wilson's going to

01:00:54get back with

01:00:54them but yeah

01:00:56listen you are

01:00:56doing well and

01:00:57we wish you the

01:00:58very best of luck

01:00:59because it's

01:00:59suddenly tight

01:01:00game in hand and

01:01:01only three points

01:01:01by St Johnson

01:01:02Jags fans thinking

01:01:03about it and

01:01:04obviously Ruffy

01:01:05you'll make

01:01:06great to see the

01:01:07crowd we're talking

01:01:07to Alec the crowd

01:01:08five and a half

01:01:09that's better than

01:01:11two teams in the

01:01:11Premier League at

01:01:12the weekend

01:01:12yeah okay so the

01:01:14main headlines before

01:01:14we go of course

01:01:16Rangers have decided

01:01:17Andrew Kavanagh

01:01:18confirmed that they've

01:01:19sacked Kevin

01:01:20Thelwell and

01:01:21Patrick Stewart

01:01:22and they'll be

01:01:22looking for a new

01:01:24couple of people to

01:01:25try and buy into the

01:01:27ethos and the vision

01:01:28that they have with the

01:01:29consortium group at

01:01:30Rangers backing Danny

01:01:32Rule all the way we'll

01:01:33keep you up to date on

01:01:34that and as PLZ soccer

01:01:35told you of course

01:01:36Wilfred Nancy December

01:01:371st in on the basis

01:01:39that they get all the

01:01:40compensation agreed for

01:01:42the backroom staff and

01:01:43of course for the manager

01:01:44himself they want

01:01:46properly compensated and

01:01:47if that's in place he's

01:01:49there December 1st

01:01:49Martin O'Neill will be

01:01:51there for Feyenoord and

01:01:52Hibbs with Sean Maloney

01:01:53and Mark Fotheringham and

01:01:54then from there who knows

01:01:56if there's a role for

01:01:57those guys but one thing

01:01:59is certain there will be a

01:02:00new manager at Celtic at

01:02:01the start of December and

01:02:03if it isn't Wilfred

01:02:04Nancy then there's going to

01:02:06be some serious questions

01:02:07being asked of that board

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