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This special report covers two major developments. The first is the ongoing political uncertainty in Karnataka, focusing on the leadership tussle within the Congress party between Chief Minister Siddaramaiah and Deputy Chief Minister DK Shivakumar, with Home Minister G. Parameswara also indicating his interest. The second segment covers the historic Dhwaja Rohan ceremony at the Ram Mandir in Ayodhya, where Prime Minister Narendra Modi hoisted the sacred flag, marking the temple's completion. Author Amish Tripathi states, 'Look, the temple has been completed today because the Dwaj has been raised, the Dharma Dwaj has been raised'. The programme explores the power dynamics in Karnataka Congress and the cultural significance of the Ayodhya ceremony, featuring analysis from political consultant Nikhil Jain and Karnataka BJP's Surabhi Harigiri.
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00:00Let's begin with the latest updates coming in on what's happening in Karnataka.
00:10Sources telling us within the Congress that if there's going to be any change in the Karnataka
00:15Chief Minister, then the next obvious choice is D.K. Shivkumar, that there is essentially
00:20no third contender in the Karnataka CM race. Now, why is this clarification needed? Because
00:26amid the Sidra Maya versus D.K. Shivkumar fight, there have been other voices, other
00:31veteran Congress leaders who have also quietly put their hand up saying, I'm also in the
00:36running to be the Chief Minister. So far, there's no decision by the Congress High Command.
00:41The pros and cons of both netas reportedly are being weighed out. But they've said it's
00:46only a question of whether between Sidra Maya and D.K. Shivkumar. Play out for you what
00:50Home Minister of Karnataka, Jee Parameshwara, said just a couple of days ago when he went
00:55ahead and claimed he's also in the race.
02:42The High Command will decide.
02:44That is the new mantra in Karnataka Congress.
02:47Except, when even the party president repeats it, the mantra starts sounding less like discipline and more like a security blanket.
02:56The unease is thick, as Karnataka's CM Nataka turns into a multi-layer drama.
03:19A third batch of MLA's from the DK Shiva Kumar camp has now flown to Delhi to meet the very high command.
03:25Chief Minister Sidharamaya insists that he and Shiva Kumar will obey the high command.
03:55And then there is the Parmeshwara twist.
04:07A day after a closed-door meeting at the Chief Minister's residence, he openly pitched himself for the top job.
04:13The opposition is having a field day.
04:16The BJP and JDS are asking the uncomfortable question.
04:20If not, then who exactly is the high command?
04:25Meanwhile, politics also met faith.
04:28In Haveri, a supporter performed a whip ritual for Shiva Kumar to become the Chief Minister.
04:33A sadhu from Kashi even blessed him at his recidates.
04:40How did the BJP go?
04:41It was Kashi.
04:42What did you say?
04:43It was Kashi.
04:44What did you say?
04:45It was Kashi.
04:46What did you say?
04:47It was Kashi.
04:48It was Kashi.
04:49It was Kashi.
04:50It was Kashi.
04:51It was Kashi.
04:52And the BJP isn't missing a beat.
04:55Mocking Shiva Kumar with an astrology swipe, asking a parrot to predict when he'll finally wear the crown.
05:02At the end of it all, the bigger question right now seemingly isn't who will be the Chief Minister.
05:08It is, where is the high command and why the radio silence?
05:12Bureau Report, India Today.
05:14Joining me on this broadcast now is Nikhil Jain, political consultant and advocate.
05:20We also have Surabhi Hodigeri, spokesperson of the Karnataka BJP.
05:24Thank you both for your time, Nikhil.
05:26I'd like to begin with you because what we're seeing essentially is, you know, power games non-stop, merry-go-round, if you will, in Karnataka.
05:34What's stopping the high command, Nikhil, from taking your call?
05:37But let me start with who is the high command for the Congress?
05:40Akshada, I think the high command in the Congress is a collective decision-making body
05:45that consists of the Chairperson of the Parliamentary Board and former President of the party, Sonia Gandhi,
05:49the Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha and the former President Rahul Gandhi.
05:53Also, the President of the party currently and the Leader of Opposition in the Rajya Sabha, Malik Arjun Kharge,
05:58the General Secretary Organization, KC Venugopal, and the General Secretary in charge for the Concerned State,
06:03which in this case would be Randeep Surjawala.
06:05Because I've grown up understanding that high command in the Congress party is a collective body that represents the national leadership.
06:12And it's not a one-man, you know, one-man show or a two-man show like in the BJP where it's just Amit Shah and Narendra Modi.
06:19So, I feel it's a collective body. There will be consultations and they would decide how to go forward.
06:23Fair enough. But the challenge is, Nikhil, where's the consultation?
06:26How many days has this been going on? For a week plus?
06:29It's been at least a week now of non-stop comments coming in, you know, all of this bickering, very public statements.
06:35So, then why isn't the high command then getting together and discussing what needs to be done? Where's the prompt decision?
06:42Akshada, I'm sure that the high command and the leadership of the party are discussing between themselves,
06:46but these are not things that would be, you know, put out in the media.
06:49And we have the two primary contenders for the post, the supposed primary contenders, D. Keshav Kumar and Siddharamaya,
06:54both have come out and said that it is for the high command to decide.
06:57They are putting out everything in the media, by the way.
07:00No, they may be talking about the fact that there are certainly MLAs from either camps,
07:05and in fact, multiple camps, more camps than the two themselves,
07:08who want their leader to be the chief minister of the state,
07:10and that's perfectly fine in a democratic party and a democratic set-up.
07:13One of my very close friends from Karnataka wants Priyanka to be the chief minister.
07:17I'm sure there are many who want BK Hari Prasad.
07:19There is somebody who might want Sati Jaarke Oli, somebody might want Dinesh Kundura.
07:23But that's why it's imperative. But that's the point, Nikhil.
07:25That's why it's imperative for the high command to take a pick and say, look, he is the one.
07:29There's no question of anyone else coming in to be the chief minister.
07:32You can want who you want.
07:34But we have taken our pick and this is it.
07:36And they have not come out with that decision.
07:37Let me also bring in Surabhi right now.
07:39I'll bring in Surabhi Nikhil before I give you a chance to respond.
07:42Surabhi, go ahead.
07:43What do you make of what's happening in Karnataka right now?
07:46Look, the Congress says there's a high command.
07:48They will take a decision.
07:49Ultimately, when you look at it, you still have a chief minister.
07:52Sidramaya isn't going anywhere.
07:54You know, the casual attitude with which Nikhil very respectfully explained the situation was like, it's just another conversation.
08:04It's just something that's happening.
08:05Nothing for us to break our heads about.
08:07Ever since this government came to power, 2.5 years, this has been like an OTT serial that's been going on and on and on, taking up media attention, public time.
08:16And worst of all, government ministers mind space.
08:20It has taken people away from governance, from pressing issues of governance, and made it into, you know, the Congress party as well as this Congress government's main role has been curtailing factionalism.
08:33Factionalism that has gotten so bad that an RCB stampede happened and people lost their lives because the CM and DCM could not communicate with each other.
08:40Factionalism that has led to unfair fund release for across Karnataka, especially accentuating the differences between North Karnataka and South Karnataka.
08:50Governance failure that has led to many infrastructure projects being stopped or halted.
08:55This is the result of factionalism.
08:57This 2.5 years, 2.5 years, November Kranti, November Kranti, that's all we've been speaking about for the last two and a half years.
09:04So this is not some small decision.
09:06This is not something that we are just, you know, please, I request you.
09:10Think about Karnataka's, the Bangaloreans, the Karnataka people who have been having to deal with this lack of decisiveness within the Congress.
09:17Ultimately, from what you're saying, Nikhil, this isn't a good look.
09:20It's not a good look for the Karnataka Congress.
09:22It's not a good look for the government.
09:23It looks like, you know, they've got priorities elsewhere.
09:26Governance is not the top priority because they're busy figuring out, you know, who should be the chief minister.
09:31Akshita, so my friend from the VJP pointed out that I presented the facts in a manner as if nothing to do much about it.
09:37And I was being very nonchalant about it.
09:39I indeed was being nonchalant about it.
09:41And the simple reason for that is that whatever infighting or not, whatever Kambazi or not is happening in Karnataka, the governance is on point.
09:49The government has announced a new IT city to be developed on the outskirts of Bengaluru.
09:54Over 115 MOUs have been signed in the past two years, bringing in or at least bringing in a promise of over 6.5 lakh crore worth of investments.
10:01The Groh Jyoti scheme has been implemented.
10:04Women are being given free bus rides.
10:06A whole number of measures are being taken by the government towards social welfare as well as development and infrastructure.
10:12And that is what a government should be focusing on.
10:14The politicians can keep on fighting about whatever kursi they want, but the government should run.
10:18And in the case of Karnataka, that is running fabulously.
10:20And since I have the pleasure of being sharing the panel with somebody from the BJP, might I just ask her what is the Environment Minister of the country doing right now when I am living in a gas chamber in Delhi and Akrita as well?
10:30What is the Education Minister of the country doing right now when there are so many paper leaks happening in the country?
10:35Thank you so much.
10:37What happened with governance there?
10:39I appreciate it.
10:40Okay, okay.
10:41Surubhi, you know, just taking forward what Nikhil is saying.
10:43Give us examples.
10:44You're saying, you know, there's misgovernance.
10:45Give us examples of it.
10:46Why do you say that?
10:47I appreciate pushing the conversation from Karnataka to Delhi.
10:50That's exactly what the Congress has also been trying to.
10:52Deciding this Chief Minister of Karnataka, not in Karnataka, but in Delhi.
10:56But the conversation today is about Karnataka.
10:58It's about Bengaluru.
10:59It's about North Karnataka.
11:00It's about Uttar Karnataka.
11:01All of these different regions.
11:02It is not me, Akshita.
11:03It is the Congress MLA's who have come out and said that we are not being given development funds.
11:08It is the Congress MLA's who are accusing the Housing Minister of having corruption in his own department.
11:13It is the Chief Minister's economic advisor who said there is a 400 crore sand mining scam.
11:19It is the economic advisor of the Chief Minister who said that the finance of the state is falling apart.
11:24It's not me.
11:25It's not the BJP.
11:27The fact that daylight robbery of 7.5 crore happened in Bengaluru just a few days ago.
11:33A decoy incident happened in the middle of Bengaluru and the minister in charge is nowhere to be seen.
11:38He is meeting Naga Sadhu, meeting people in order to get his CM chair confirmed.
11:42This is what the public is saying.
11:44This is not what the BJP is saying.
11:46Look, as an opposition party, it matters very less to me who is going to be the Chief Minister from the Congress party.
11:52All we ask is that make up your mind.
11:55Decide.
11:56Have you decided on a 2.5 years, 2.5 years?
11:58Nikhil, final response.
11:59It's so what it is.
12:00Let us know who the Chief Minister is going to be for the next five years.
12:03Let's put an end to this.
12:04Go on with our work.
12:05Nikhil, final response.
12:07Final response.
12:08Why can't the high command pick one leader?
12:10What is the challenge?
12:12I really don't understand that.
12:14It should be forgetting the fact that Karnataka already has a Chief Minister.
12:17It's not like the state is without a Chief Minister.
12:19Siddharam is the Chief Minister.
12:20If indeed there would be a change in the Chief Minister, you still have the entire government running.
12:24And I can point, give out a list of 10 different things that the government is doing, right?
12:27I will nowhere claim that there is no crime happening in Karnataka or no scam is happening in Karnataka.
12:31Of course there are.
12:32And they are being tackled.
12:33You mentioned about the RCB stampede.
12:35And do you remember what happened after that?
12:36Heads did roll.
12:37The commissioner was sacked.
12:38Multiple people were taken to task.
12:39An SIT was, not an SIT, but a probe committee was set up.
12:43And all of those actions came into fray.
12:45But what happened when a similar stampede happened in Uttar Pradesh?
12:47The government tried to suppress it.
12:48See, I will nowhere say that any government is running perfectly.
12:51The entire point is that is the government doing enough?
12:53Can they do a better job?
12:54And what I see in Karnataka is that the government is running fairly well enough.
12:59Of course they can do a better job, but there is always scope for improvement everywhere.
13:02If the tables were turned, Nikhil, and we were seeing this confusion play out in the BJP, I wonder if you would have been far more critical of what's happening.
13:12On that note, 10 seconds.
13:14On that note, 10 seconds.
13:15And it's very easy to say, Nikhil.
13:1610 seconds.
13:17I'll come to you.
13:18Let's, Surabhi, finish.
13:19I'm making a very fair point, Nikhil.
13:20As an opposition party, I'm saying that, look, it is not my need for me to bother who becomes a chief minister from the Congress cap.
13:26But as a citizen of Karnataka, as a resident of Bengaluru, it is absolutely my problem to be stuck between two of these, this infighting and not have access to absolutely good governance.
13:35I'm sorry.
13:36I'm not going to be able to...
13:37Okay, Nikhil, finally.
13:38Final 10 seconds, Nikhil.
13:39I'm just not going to go.
13:40And Surabhi, I'm glad that you have the space to voice your concern as a concerned citizen.
13:43And I'm sure you get a good decision.
13:45I will not call you an anti-national or anti-Hindu for saying DK Shiv Kumar was not meeting others.
13:49Why does this conversation have to go to inane places?
13:51I don't understand.
13:52I'll tell you why.
13:53I'll tell you why.
13:54I'll tell you why.
13:55Because this is exactly what I hear from the BJP.
13:56Please.
13:57No, no, no, no.
13:58Okay, okay.
13:59I'm out.
14:00I'm out.
14:01I'm wrapping this up.
14:02I'm wrapping this up.
14:03But from both sides here, ultimately, look, Chief Minister at this point of Karnataka remains Sidramaya.
14:09But with this constant tussle, is it a good look for the Congress?
14:12Not really.
14:13Because the high command is yet to take a pick.
14:15Sure, it's not one person, as Nikhil says.
14:17Sure, it's a group of leaders, of veterans who have been a part of the Congress.
14:20And yet, there's been no pick, really.
14:22Thanks, Nikhil.
14:23Thanks, Surabhi, for joining us here on this broadcast with your views of what's really playing out in Karnataka.
14:27I suspect that this is easily going to continue for the next few days as well.
14:31So, we look forward to having you in our broadcasts going forward.
14:34Shri Ram Chandra Kripalu Bhaja Man Harana Bhavabhaya Dharunam
14:44Shri Ram, Shri Ram, Shri Ram, Shri Ram, Shri Ram.
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15:32A historic moment in Ayodhya in Ramnagri today
15:38as Prime Minister Modi hoisted this sacred saffron flag atop the Ram Mandir
15:42marking the completion of the temple after centuries of devotion and wait for devotees.
15:49If you missed out on the ceremony today, we've got you covered with this report.
16:02Ram Ram, you say, but Ram is a great place to say that it will be a good place to live in the world.
16:23You must not be able to live in the world, you must not be able to live in the world.
16:26You must put the stones and burn the stones.
16:30If you go there, if you don't pay so much,
16:35if you buy one of your devices, you will tell them you will speak to him.
16:38God will make you happy you become a good person,
16:43God will make you happy so many people,
16:46God will grow everything else in your presence.
16:50You will know how much more you have become our God.
17:00From the crack of dawn, the sacred chants of Jai Shri Ram resonated across Ayodhya.
17:10As a city prepared for a historic moment, the Dvaja Rohan, the hoisting of the flag atop the Ram Mandir.
17:21After centuries of devotion, decades of anticipation and years of meticulous construction, the Ram Mandir now stands complete.
17:30A testament to faith, perseverance and India's cultural legacy.
17:41At 10 a.m., Prime Minister Narendra Modi landed in Ram Nagari, greeted by throngs of devotees before reaching the heart of the temple complex.
17:50The Prime Minister offered prayers to the Sapt Mandir of seven revered Rishis.
18:02The Sheshavatar Mandir of Lord Lakshman.
18:15The Mata Annapurna Mandir of the Deity of Food and Nourishment.
18:19Followed by the Ram Darbar, the court of Lord Ram.
18:39And finally, the Gargriha of Ram Lalla.
18:42In a movement steeped in devotion, the Prime Minister, along with RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat, performed aarti and special prayers of the Gargriha.
18:53And then, history unfolded.
19:11The sacred saffron Dharma Dwaj, 10 feet high, 22 feet long, adorned with the radiant sun, Aum and the Kovida tree, was hoisted atop the Ram Mandir.
19:22As the flag soared, Prime Minister Modi got emotional, his joined hands trembling with devotion.
19:43The Prime Minister called the sacred flag a symbol of India's cultural revival.
19:48He said that the flag embodies faith, valor and identity.
20:18The saffron flag flutters high above Ayotya, a beacon of devotion and resilience.
20:39Today's centuries of faith find their fulfillment.
20:43And not just a city, but entire nations stands united in pride, hope and renewal.
20:51With Gaurav Savant and Samad Shivastav in Ayotya, Bureau Report, India Today.
20:55Joining us on this broadcast now is author Amish Tripathi on what we've just witnessed in Ayotya with the Dwajir Rohit ceremony.
21:12Amish, thank you very much for your time, for joining us here in India Today.
21:15I'm sure you've seen the images that have just come in of Ayotya, of that historic ceremony.
21:22And the Prime Minister in his speech says that this is a cultural revival for Bharat.
21:27Do you think so?
21:28Do you think that this Dwajir Rohit ceremony that everyone's been talking about actually reflects a cultural reset of sorts?
21:35I would agree with the Prime Minister.
21:38Look, the temple has been completed today because the Dwaj has been raised, the Dharma Dwaj has been raised.
21:46This has happened very rarely in history where an ancient culture, an ancient Moorthy Pooja, idol worshipping, nature worshipping, goddess worshipping culture has lost its worship place to an invader, to a found invader and has recovered it and rebuilt it once again.
22:06What happened in India happened in many other parts of the world.
22:09The Greco-Roman culture, the Pharaonic Egyptians, they were all killed, massacred out of existence.
22:15We are still here.
22:17After a thousand years of invasions, we have recovered, we have revived.
22:21And to me, the flag itself is symbolic of our cultural memory because that is the mark, the Dwaj of the Ayodhya kingdom, of the Ayodhya empire, of King Dashrath.
22:35This was, you know, I mean, of course, the Aum symbol everyone knows, the sun everyone knows, the Ikshwaku dynasty, they were Surya Vanshi's.
22:44But even the Kovidara tree out there, now this has been, this tree has been mentioned in the Valmiki Ramayana.
22:51You know, there are three Ramayans credited to Valmiki Ji, Valmiki Ramayana, Ananda Ramayana and the Adbud Ramayana.
22:57The Kovidara tree was mentioned in the Valmiki Ramayana, from what I recall, what I'd read.
23:02But many of the later versions of the Ramayana, actually this tree is not mentioned.
23:07You know, was the memory forgotten, right?
23:09And if you think about it, the revival of that Dwaj itself today is almost like civilizational stubbornness.
23:18We will not forget.
23:20We revived a symbol that comes from the Valmiki Ramayana days, which was forgotten even in the later Ramayana, perhaps due to the invasions.
23:29I don't know why it was forgotten.
23:31But think about the symbolic meaning of that flag itself.
23:36It shows our civilizational memory.
23:39What do you think has made this kind of a revival possible?
23:42You know, you see it actually globally now.
23:44There's almost a global shift back to roots, back to our traditions.
23:49Many would say it's a welcome change that today people know a whole lot more about our traditions than previously, than before.
23:55There's a whole lot of conversation about it.
23:57What do you think has sparked that?
23:59Akshita, you make a good, you know, this is a good question.
24:02And I think there is a global change that's happening.
24:06There was a culture that was dominant for the last two, three centuries, which was the Western culture.
24:12And they impacted everyone, right?
24:15Across the world.
24:16Not just India, across the world.
24:17Now, some civilizations, some countries reacted to their losing to the Western culture by becoming even more Western.
24:27Look at Turkey.
24:28What Kamal Ataturk did to Turkey, abolished the caliphate and made Turkey completely Western.
24:35Look at what China tried to do with the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward.
24:40Marxism is also a Western philosophy, right?
24:44And the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution in the 60s and 70s, China tried to wipe out its own by themselves.
24:51They tried to wipe out their own traditional culture because they had that attitude.
24:55Remember the song from the 60s, Chhodo Kal Ki Baate, Kal Ki Baat Purani.
24:59And the Chinese were in effect kind of following that approach.
25:03Look at what India has done.
25:05We have modernized, but we've not Westernized, right?
25:08And it's not always a perfect balance to strike.
25:12Often in the last two centuries, it has almost been a choice.
25:15Like if you want to modernize, you have to Westernize, right?
25:19Or the solution has been the other extreme, like the radical Islamists.
25:24Don't modernize, go back, you know, a thousand years.
25:28That's also not wise either because you're not competitive today then.
25:31How do you find a mix of both where you can modernize but not Westernize?
25:35That's exactly what India is doing.
25:36This temple is symbolic of that.
25:38I told you about the flag.
25:40But think about the technologies used to build this temple, what L&T used.
25:45It was completely modern technology, right?
25:47It's a mix of the best of modernization and keeping our cultural symbols alive.
25:54I think bringing it down to the core of celebrating our traditions, our culture, blending it with modernity.
25:59I think that's where our strength lies.
26:01And hopefully we're recognizing that also now.
26:04Another aspect through the course of this coverage that really shown through Amish is, you know, the fact that we're going back to the times of celebrating Ayodhya, of celebrating the Ram Jahn Mabhumi.
26:14In our midst, what Ayodhya was, is what it's becoming today.
26:19No, true.
26:20And with this, we must try and revive what Lord Ram would have expected of us, what Ram Rajya should be.
26:27You know, so for example, Lord Ram was very inclusive.
26:32You know, look at his relations with Dishad Raj.
26:38Look at how he treated Shabarima, right?
26:42He was very inclusive.
26:43We should be that way as well.
26:44And again, I like the fact that when this temple, when the first Shilanyas was done, they had a Dalit Hindu do the Shilanyas, you know, Chawpalji, as you know.
26:59And this to me, you know, was in a way good.
27:03It was, in fact, in every way good, because it, it, it, it reformed something that needed reforming and yet keeping the best of the, the old as well.
27:15And this is the balance that we should, we should strike.
27:17And I would argue that in this temple, we must, you know, not just include and invite Hindus of all castes.
27:27And as you can see, with the Sapta temples that have also been set up, but we should also invite all other dharmic religions, Buddhists, Jain Sikhs.
27:35We must invite Indian Muslims, Indian Christians as well.
27:40Lord Ram belongs to everyone.
27:42As K.K.
27:43Mohammed Sahib had said so beautifully, the brilliant archaeologist, that Babur was a foreigner.
27:49This was an Indian foreigner fight.
27:52And we have got our place of worship back.
27:56We've got Lord Ram's birthplace back from what was done by a foreigner.
28:01And we must include all Indians and invite them to the temple.
28:05Come, pray they come, honor Lord Ram.
28:08You know, that's a beautiful message.
28:10But since you have spoken of that, there's one particular line of discourse that, look, this isn't a civilizational shift.
28:16This isn't a civilizational change that we're witnessing, but rather one focused on one religion.
28:22What do you say to that?
28:23That this is about Hinduism, nothing beyond?
28:29Well, is, I mean, is Lord Ram Hindu?
28:31Of course.
28:32I mean, yeah.
28:33I mean, he is a Hindu god.
28:35Is the temple, you know, a Hindu place?
28:38Yes, of course it is.
28:40But do we discriminate and not allow other people to come?
28:43No, of course not.
28:44We want them to come, you know, and we want them to, because Lord Ram belongs to all of us.
28:52Just like yoga, of course, has Hindu Buddhist roots.
28:56That doesn't mean that we insist that you have to convert to Hinduism, you know, to practice yoga.
29:02Yoga is good for you.
29:03Do it, you know.
29:06But of course it has Hindu Buddhist roots.
29:08It's the same thing, I would argue, that for Indians of all communities, all regions, Lord Ram had said so beautifully in the Ram Charitmana,
29:18Any man, any woman, any transgender, any living being, any plant, any animal, give up deceit, love each other, come to me, you're my people.
29:31What can be a more inclusive statement than that?
29:35Lord Ram said that.
29:36The idea of having, you know, the perfect human, of the ideal man, I think that transcends any religious thought.
29:45Amish, thank you very much for your time, for joining us here on India Today.
29:49Thank you, and Jai Jiru.
29:50Thank you, and Jai Jiru.
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