El primer ministro albanés dice: "La delincuencia es un problema en todas partes, también Bruselas"

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El primer ministro albanés dice: "La delincuencia es un problema en todas partes, también Bruselas"

El primer ministro albanés Edi Rama afirma que su país merece un asiento en la mesa de la UE, mencionando las reformas y el apoyo público. Rama afirma que la delincuencia y la corrupción son problemas graves, pero no exclusivos de Tirana: "Bruselas también tiene delincuencia"

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03:02Es un señal muy brutal de un mundo cambiando, de descanso de geopolítica, y de diferentes jugadores en la arena internacional.

03:22Y para eso, Europa necesita salir con un enfoque que no se basa en el viejo y nuevo normal, porque no se volverá.

03:41Pero es basado en cómo asegurarse de que no se vuelva irrelevante.

03:53Así que la guerra en la Ucrania es un gran test para todos nosotros, en muchas formas.

03:59Y, primero y más, creo en cómo Europa será capaz de, en el final, ser una fuerza para la paz y no una fuerza de guerra.

04:21You said it will depend on largely how this war ends, the reflection in Europe.

04:27If there's a bad deal in Ukraine, is that going to make Europe weaker?

04:30And is that a union that you want to be a part of, a weak union?

04:34Listen, it all depends.

04:36It all depends in this case because, let's face it, you know, it doesn't look very comforting that the European Union or Europe as such,

04:47the democratic Europe has not yet a peace plan for Ukraine, and this does not mean to compromise on the territorial integrity

04:59or to recognize the result of aggression in any shape or form,

05:08but it means to find a way to combine the resistance to the aggression with a realistic peace plan,

05:20and to make the outmost for offering both resilience, resistance, muscles in the arena,

05:32and vision of the future, of a common future, possibly, including Russia,

05:40when it comes to a path towards first peace and then cooperation.

05:48I know it looks like completely crazy to think in these terms today,

05:55but Europe has shown that enemies can become partners and partners can become friends.

06:05Of course, to go there, first and foremost, we all need to overcome the brutality of the aggression

06:15and to not reward the aggression, by no doubt.

06:18And that's interesting because a lot of the language that we hear coming out of Brussels

06:21says that Russia is now a threat for Europeans and there is no clear path in terms of normalizing relationships.

06:29Are you looking at Russia at a country that is, yes, a threat to Europeans,

06:33or is there perhaps a way that you have to engage just because Russia is not going anywhere?

06:39Listen, one does not exclude the other, in my view.

06:46The Soviet Union was a threat to the world and to the United States,

06:50but Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, they found a way to build in the same time

07:01a very solid channel of communication and to start something completely new in the world scene.

07:11Same with the communist China at that time.

07:13Now, of course, I don't want to make comparisons that may not fit the purpose,

07:21but I simply want to say that while fighting, and rightly so, while supporting Ukraine, and rightly so,

07:31while thinking in terms of strength, and rightly so, Europe should also have its own plan of peace

07:45and should not give up diplomacy, because outsourcing the European diplomacy

07:53and outsourcing the whatever type of peace that may come on the other side of the ocean,

08:04it doesn't seem to have been very rewarding so far.

08:09So when you say outsourcing, you mean to Trump?

08:11If there's no communication?

08:11No, I mean, no, but it's not to Trump.

08:16On the contrary, thanks to Trump, Europe rediscovered the word ceasefire,

08:21which seemed to be banned from the vocabulary with the previous administration.

08:30So, I mean, it doesn't matter whatever happens on the other side of the ocean

08:35or whomever is on the other side of the ocean.

08:38Europe should have its own peace plan and, of course, then harmonize and then integrate and so on.

08:47Where is it?

08:48So when you talk to your European counterparts and they say,

08:50we want a just and fair peace, you don't think there's any depth to that?

08:53No, I am not advocating any unjust or unfair peace.

08:58I'm simply saying that diplomacy should not be left behind, although there is a war.

09:06You know, don't forget, you know, Israel and Hamas were fighting to the teeth

09:15and they were communicating, they were negotiating, they were talking.

09:18So this is something normal and it's not a war somewhere, it's a war in Europe.

09:28And now going back to the reason why you're in Brussels,

09:32has it had any impact, the fact that there's this war going on,

09:35that now there's this real momentum on enlargement?

09:37Is this impacting you in a positive way where you say because of this war,

09:40now there's this impetus?

09:41If there had been no invasion of Ukraine, we would not be here.

09:44We would not be talking about this.

09:45It's very probable and it's sad.

09:49It's sad that...

09:50That it took a war.

09:51It's sad that it took a war to turn the very just and right words in real deeds

09:58because it has always been said that the Western Balkans are strategically important

10:05for the European Union, that the future of the Western Balkans is the European Union,

10:10that one day we'll be together.

10:12But in the meantime, the process was quite disappointing in many ways.

10:20I must say that the aggression created a new energy.

10:31And this is also something very inspiring, as it is inspiring how Europe got together,

10:42as it is inspiring to read in the wall of this big building a very clear message of unity.

10:54And now you've entered what is now seen as almost a final stretch in negotiations,

10:58and then it will become a political question, too, because you have to win over the 27 heads of state.

11:03Who do you consider your biggest ally?

11:04Because to me, when I see it from the outside, George Amelone is your best friend in Europe, isn't she?

11:10Listen, I don't want to go there because it would not be fair to the very true and very generous friendship

11:28we are being offered by many in this part.

11:33But you have a special chemistry.

11:34You can see it.

11:34What do you like about her?

11:36Yeah, you now are curious because she's a woman, you are a woman.

11:41But I must say that when it comes to Italy, there is something very special between Albania and Italy in general.

11:51And all the Italian prime ministers, independently from their political party or political colors of the government,

12:05they have been very good to us.

12:06And with Georgia is a special chemistry.

12:10I cannot hide it because it's very visible, right?

12:14And more than that, beyond that, she is someone that is very much about doing things and not just saying things,

12:27which is not very typically Italian, I must say, but she is like that.

12:32And would you be better off if there were more leaders like Georgia Amelone?

12:35Listen, Georgia is one of a kind and I'm not sure she can be replicated.

12:45But by no doubt, more women in leadership positions will help Europe to be stronger.

12:53And this is obvious when you see the president of the European Union Commission, when you see Georgia, when you see Mette Frederiksen.

13:04So these women are incredibly strong and they make men look like they have to improve.

13:12And, of course, when it comes to Albania, in a European context, we often hear it in the sentence, the Albanian model.

13:19I'm sure you know what that refers to.

13:21Obviously, this is a deal that you cut with regards to migration with the Italians.

13:25They now have set up this migration center and their jurisdiction is applied.

13:30But this is your land.

13:31When you hear the Albanian model, a lot of people assume or think of it as a loss of sovereignty of a country.

13:37And that refers to yours.

13:38Is that unfair?

13:40What do you mean sovereignty?

13:41We are...

13:42To have police from another country, law from another country, migrants from another country.

13:48You know, Italy is not another country.

13:50Italy is, you know, the Albania we look forward to have.

13:59So Italians are Albanians dressed by Versace.

14:02So we are the same people.

14:05We speak two different languages.

14:07We are united by the same sea.

14:12We love many things.

14:14But when you hear the dark side of the Albanian model, what does that mean to you?

14:18Is that something that you go, it is unfair?

14:20And, by the way, more countries would do this if they could.

14:23First of all, not with Albania because we can do it only with Italy, as I said, you know, because it's...

14:30There are many reasons for that.

14:32And, on the other hand, I don't care what people say, you know.

14:38It's good that people can say things.

14:40You don't care about this perception of a country that's traded a part of sovereignty.

14:43This is why we love freedom.

14:46This is why we want democracy, because people can say whatever they want.

14:49You don't regret it in any way.

14:51You can do it again.

14:52No, what sovereignty, you know.

14:54Italians are at home in Albania, and we feel at home in Italy, so...

15:01The Italians don't apply your law.

15:03But it's up to them to apply their law in that piece of land where they have to manage this operation, which is theirs.

15:11And they asked us to do it, and we said, of course, you are welcome.

15:16It's your home.

15:17There's this idea that you are putting the police, the laws, and people from one country to another,

15:23and that you ceded part of your territory for that.

15:25In that specific area, it's almost a piece of Italy.

15:28Some would argue there's something wrong in that model,

15:31but at the same time, I wonder if you think there's a level of hypocrisy,

15:35because more would do it if they could.

15:36No, I can't accuse anyone of hypocrisy.

15:39I simply think that people have different views, and sometimes people are jealous, but it's human.

15:47In this case, I don't know.

15:48I simply know that for us, it has been a due, so we had to do it because Italy asked us.

15:58And when Italy asks, we always say yes.

16:01And, you know, it's not just Georgia.

16:05It's Italy.

16:06And do you hope that that yes, when they ask, we say yes, that they are going to return the favor at some point?

16:13Some argue it's a transactional relationship in a way.

16:16No, there's no transactional relation between Italy and us,

16:18because Italy has done for us a lot, without any favor asked in return.

16:29And I'll never forget the day we were so down, because an earthquake hit us very, very strongly.

16:42And the first to arrive in our help were the Italian firefighters.

16:52And they entered under the rubbles to save lives of people they didn't know.

16:59In a country they put their feet for the first time, and they did it like heroes.

17:08And Prime Minister, just a final question.

17:11You've said there's a lot of cliches and stereotypes about what Albania is.

17:15I didn't say that, but I agree with you.

17:18No, you've never said, because I've saw this in a sentence where you said there's ideas that have been presented about Albania

17:26that I find are a cliche or stereotypes of what Albanian people are.

17:30At the same time, some of your critics would argue what this collective imagination alludes to

17:35is this idea of perhaps mafias, crime, gangs.

17:38Is that something that you take serious and you say, well, it's not a stereotype, it's something we have to fight?

17:42And how do you do this dual path in which you change the narrative but also tackle issues like this?

17:49No, but the narrative has already changed and it's changing every day

17:53because now Albania is not anymore a mysterious shithole in the middle of Europe

18:00where everyone was imagining mafia and criminals and drugs and prostitutes

18:09and all the bad things.

18:13Now Albania is a shining example where millions and millions of Europeans come to visit

18:22and where they see that it's a piece of Europe that has to be part of the mosaic.

18:31While in the same time, do we have still issues with organized crime?

18:37Yes, we do.

18:38Who don't look at this city?

18:40This city is, you know, an example and still there are great things happening here.

18:49Do we have issues with drugs?

18:52Who don't?

18:52Then, of course, we need to fight and the fight will never end as the example of Europe shows.

18:59Europe has fought drugs all the way but drugs are still in Europe and the fight goes on.

19:08And the commission also made that point so you agree on that specifically too and the recommendations.

19:13So, Prime Minister...

19:14I agree with all the recommendations.

19:16I've never seen anything more objective, more brutally...

19:21So it was a good report.

19:22More brutally truthful and more amazingly inspiring than the European Commission report.

19:27We live for this book.

19:29Well, we'll tell the commissioners.

19:30You'll be happy to see someone read it and start to end.

19:33They know.

19:34And we have some people that read it from the beginning to the end.

19:37I don't know how they survived it, but they do.

19:39And I just adore them.

19:42And I live for this book.

19:44Looking at this book, getting better and better, is the legacy of my political life.

19:51Well, on that note, Prime Minister, thank you very much for joining us on Euronews.

19:54Thank you.

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