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00:30Psychics.
00:37They claim to possess powers which enable them to move inanimate objects,
00:43bend metal with the light stroke of a finger,
00:46and assist police in their search for slain victims.
00:50This man has been acclaimed as the world's leading psychic.
00:54Danny Coram investigates those who claim to have psychic powers.
00:59Now, you must consider that claims of psychic powers might be deceitful or even dangerous.
01:05Danny Coram, an alleged psychic in the first psychic confession.
01:10The newspapers and other media will often feature the exploits and claims of so-called psychics,
01:19and they will rarely call those claims of power into question.
01:23I'm Danny Coram, and for the past 12 years, I have been researching claims of psychic powers
01:29and presenting my findings in university lectures.
01:32Because of my expertise, a friend called and asked me to investigate a purported psychic who was influencing his brother.
01:40This program is about the shocking story that I found.
01:44It begins in Salt Lake City with a self-proclaimed psychic named James Heidrich.
01:49James Heidrich, martial arts instructor.
01:58Believed by many to be the world's leading psychic.
02:05Intellectually armed with a third-grade education and claiming to be self-taught in martial arts,
02:11one is easily impressed by Heidrich's exhibitions of strength,
02:19cat-like agility,
02:21power unleashed in a blow from only one inch,
02:35and the blind man's version of combat.
02:38Heidrich claims he developed his abilities in adolescence,
02:45and later perfected in manhood.
02:49Regardless of their size,
02:51Heidrich could apparently move objects at will.
02:54When I arrived in Salt Lake,
03:11Heidrich and his abilities were attracting extensive coverage by the local media.
03:16Earlier this month,
03:17a 21-year-old martial arts expert,
03:19now living in Salt Lake,
03:21walked into the Salt Lake Tribune
03:22and said,
03:23I can move objects without touching them.
03:26Reporters and editors,
03:27skeptics and believers,
03:29together,
03:29watched as James Heidrich did in fact.
03:32Move pencils,
03:33turn pages in a notebook,
03:35and flutter the leaves of a plant.
03:37A publisher in Chicago
03:38wants to market a book about Heidrich's life
03:40and some producers of national programs,
03:42including Johnny Carson,
03:44and That's Incredible,
03:45have also expressed an interest in what he does.
03:47When I move a pencil,
03:55I don't think I do.
04:00Is it a magician's trick?
04:01Can he control his breathing like a ventriloquist
04:04and literally blow the objects away?
04:06Heidrich refutes his critics by turning sideways
04:09and moving the object.
04:10Sometimes he has others join him,
04:15using them as the instrument in moving the object.
04:18And you can,
04:19and when he does it,
04:20sometimes he'll say to touch him,
04:22and it's almost like you can feel an electricity,
04:25a force that's there that you can't quite,
04:29it's like you tingle all over
04:30if you even go to touch him.
04:32The television exposure Heidrich received
04:34made his school of martial arts
04:36seem acceptable to parents like Steve
04:38and Sharon Clark,
04:39who Coram interviewed.
04:41The attitude,
04:42the way the man conducted his health,
04:45and the things that he did,
04:46so I told Jimmy that he could go ahead
04:48and enroll in the program.
04:51Heidrich's school enrolled over 300 students,
04:54but Heidrich had another goal.
04:56Get something like a monastery,
04:58to where I can bring them up
04:59to where they all have this,
05:00have mental power.
05:01$16,000 of funding was provided
05:04by this woman, Janice Schrock,
05:06a divorcee who adopted Heidrich
05:08after she visited him at his studio.
05:10He was 22 years old.
05:12Yes.
05:12Did you think that might be
05:13an unusual relationship,
05:15adopting somebody that old?
05:17Yes, but I thought of it
05:19in the light of he wanted to go somewhere,
05:21and he was interested in the monastery,
05:23and I had connections in this respect,
05:24and I thought that
05:25if he has made up his mind
05:27that that's what he wants to do,
05:30then I could help him in a lot of things.
05:32To aid the development of the monastery,
05:35she wanted Heidrich to visit
05:37a cult-like group in California.
05:39Swami Kriyananda,
05:40he has a city,
05:45it's Nevada City, California.
05:47It's known as Ananda.
05:49It's a, oh, I think he has
05:52about 150 families that live there.
05:54I want him to visit
05:55because he was interested in a monastery,
05:57but he wanted a monastery
05:58where he'd have children
05:59and families and such things,
06:01and this is what Swami Kriyananda has.
06:04Heidrich's influence
06:05quickly spread
06:05to other parts of the country.
06:07Appearances on primetime television
06:09and billed by the tabloids
06:11as the world's leading psychic,
06:12other, more reliable sources,
06:14such as the Associated Press,
06:16stated,
06:16Heidrich has,
06:17at various times
06:18and always in the presence
06:19of reporters,
06:20done the following.
06:22Turned the pages of telephone books
06:23from 10 feet away
06:24and moved pens,
06:26pencils, plants,
06:27and other objects
06:28by giving them hard stares.
06:32A scientist
06:32and professor
06:33of electrical engineering
06:34at the University of Utah,
06:36after much testing,
06:38also concluded
06:38that Heidrich's demonstrations
06:40of mind over matter
06:41were indeed authentic.
06:45Coram discovered
06:46that the Salt Lake Police
06:47were also interested in Heidrich.
06:49Detective Clegg informed Coram
06:51that Heidrich had served time
06:52in Los Angeles
06:53for kidnapping and robbery
06:54and he was considered dangerous
06:56by the Salt Lake Police.
06:58James is quite,
06:59has quite a lot of ability.
07:02He's quite athletic
07:03and he could be quite dangerous.
07:05There were others
07:06who also knew
07:07of Heidrich's criminal record.
07:09Before you make any decisions,
07:10read about my life
07:11and he gave me this folder
07:13of police records.
07:15John and Krista Bates
07:16took in the 21-year-old Heidrich
07:18after he moved to Salt Lake
07:20from Los Angeles.
07:22They believed
07:22they could help him
07:23overcome his past.
07:24And the whole night
07:25I was sitting up
07:25in the dining room
07:26and I was reading it
07:27and, you know,
07:29it didn't for some reason
07:30upset me at all.
07:31I just, I just felt like
07:32this boy needed some help
07:34and maybe for some reason
07:35I could be the one
07:36to help him.
07:37The Bates had met
07:38my friend's brother Steve
07:39and John told me
07:41of Steve's harmful obsession
07:42with Heidrich's powers.
07:43James to have some
07:45connection with all
07:47all this supernatural
07:49stuff that was going on
07:53and Steve just lost contact
07:55with reality in essence
07:57and for several days
07:59they couldn't get him
08:00out of the hotel.
08:01He wouldn't eat.
08:03He wouldn't get dressed.
08:04And finally they were successful
08:06in getting him
08:07into the psychiatric clinic
08:10at the University of UCLA.
08:13But Heidrich's students
08:17were convinced
08:18that they too
08:19could possess
08:19the same psychic powers.
08:22Cause the building
08:23to crack,
08:24to rotate,
08:26cause that bag to react,
08:28cause the balls to move,
08:30cause the lights to move.
08:40Cause these things
08:41to start swinging.
08:43Cause them to start swinging.
08:46That's good.
08:52Do you believe
08:53that James is a fake?
08:57He could be.
08:58It doesn't matter to me
08:58if he is or isn't.
09:02The devotion of cult members
09:04to their leaders
09:05has led to tragedy
09:06in the past.
09:07I don't accept the court.
09:08I don't accept
09:09the whole situation.
09:10You know,
09:11like I was in a desert
09:12minding my business.
09:14Charles Manson.
09:15This confusion
09:16belongs to you.
09:17It's your confusion.
09:18I don't have any confusion.
09:20I don't have any guilt.
09:21I know what I've done.
09:23His teachings
09:23and claims of power
09:24led his followers
09:25to bizarre acts
09:27of devotion
09:27and to murder.
09:31Jim Jones,
09:32a powerful speaker.
09:34He also used
09:35simple conjuring tricks
09:36to convince his followers
09:37that he possessed powers.
09:39He claimed the power
09:40to heal
09:41but tragically demonstrated
09:43that he could persuade
09:44hundreds to join him
09:45in death.
09:46Sadly,
09:47there seems to be
09:48no shortage
09:49of people willing
09:50to follow unquestionably
09:51someone who claims
09:53to have powers,
09:54especially
09:54if he promises
09:56them a share
09:56of that power.
09:58Allowing the mind
09:59to overpower the body,
10:01the mind wills
10:01and the body behaves.
10:03Coram had reason
10:04to suspect
10:05that Heydrich
10:06could also become
10:07a persuasive cult figure.
10:09And you can tear
10:10up about 15, 20 people
10:11at one time
10:12with these.
10:13And because of the holes
10:14that are in them,
10:15it makes it so where
10:15it moves faster.
10:18No resistance.
10:19After lengthy discussions,
10:21Coram convinced
10:22his friend's brother,
10:23Steve,
10:23to end his relationship
10:24with Heydrich.
10:26When Steve was no longer
10:27under Heydrich's influence,
10:29Coram decided
10:30to film Heydrich.
10:31I asked Heydrich
10:32if I could film him
10:33for a program dealing
10:34with alleged psychics.
10:36Although he agreed,
10:38I remained cautious.
10:39We have outside
10:39and inside training quarters.
10:41And what I'll do
10:42is without my students
10:43even knowing it,
10:44I will take them downtown
10:46and have them attacked.
10:47A criminal record
10:48and lethal weapons.
10:51Heydrich had to be approached
10:52with great care.
10:53If it's Jews right,
10:56it can come and take the arm
10:57around the body
10:59and break it.
11:01There was no doubt
11:02in Coram's mind
11:03that Heydrich was a threat,
11:05but even more alarming.
11:08A negative influence
11:09on others
11:10and his powers.
11:13Are they psychic?
11:14James Heydrich.
11:23Lethal prowess.
11:27Coupled with the ability
11:29to convince others
11:30of hidden powers
11:31and seemingly transfer
11:33his psychic abilities
11:35to his followers.
11:37But of all of Heydrich's
11:38demonstrations,
11:40this was the most impressive.
11:43Here, Heydrich causes
11:46a dollar bill
11:47to rotate at will
11:48on the head of a pin
11:49even though it is sealed off
11:51from air currents
11:52and threads
11:52by a glass fish tank.
11:55Observant,
11:56Coram was uniquely qualified
11:58to discern
11:58if trickery was used.
12:02A world-class inventor
12:03of conjuring tricks,
12:05Danny Coram
12:06is a professional magician.
12:07With over 20 years
12:14invested in the mastering
12:15of his craft,
12:17Coram has developed
12:17the surgeon-like skill
12:19necessary to manipulate
12:20matter without regard
12:21for the laws of science
12:23or logic.
12:31The author and publisher
12:33of numerous texts
12:34for magicians,
12:35Coram specializes
12:37in a style of conjuring
12:38using borrowed objects
12:40and with his audience
12:41only a few inches away.
12:42You have a $5 bill?
12:44I just happen to have
12:45one right here with me.
12:46Just happen.
12:46In his office,
12:47Coram displays his skill
12:49for a television interview.
12:50Show both sides.
12:52Nothing else in this.
12:53By the way,
12:53I pulled back my sleeve
12:54so you would know
12:55there's nothing up my sleeve,
12:56right?
12:56Certainly.
12:56We fold the bill in half
12:58once like this.
13:00Fold it in half again
13:01like this.
13:02Fold it in half again
13:03one more time.
13:05Now don't take your eyes
13:06off the five.
13:08Lisa,
13:08I'll make you laugh.
13:10I'll make you cry.
13:12You've just kissed
13:13four bucks goodbye.
13:15Most people think
13:17I deceive them
13:17because my hands
13:18are quicker than the eye.
13:22Here you can see
13:23the same trick
13:23but in slow motion.
13:26And it is still
13:28impossible to perceive
13:30how the trick is done.
13:34The principles of our craft
13:35have become so sophisticated
13:37that if Houdini were alive today,
13:40he too would be fooled
13:41by the tricks
13:41of the modern-day magician.
13:44In his book,
13:46The Fakers,
13:47Coram summarizes
13:48his investigations
13:49of alleged psychics
13:50and it provides the basis
13:52for his university program,
13:54fraud and the supernatural.
13:56in which Coram presents
13:58many demonstrations
13:59which might easily
14:00be interpreted
14:01as psychic powers.
14:03Here Coram has invited
14:04five people
14:05to join him on stage.
14:06Four of the participants
14:07are asked to write down
14:09the name of someone
14:10they know.
14:10This participant
14:11is asked to write down
14:13the name of a deceased person
14:15she knew.
14:17Now wait until
14:17my back is turned
14:18before you begin
14:19writing on your slips of paper
14:20and then fold your slip of paper
14:21after you've written the name.
14:22Coram has never met
14:24any of these people before.
14:26The names are then folded,
14:28mixed,
14:28and given to the person
14:29on the end.
14:31The woman standing next to Coram
14:33is a registered nurse
14:34taking his pulse.
14:36What I'd like you to do
14:38continue holding my pulse
14:40is I'd like you to take up
14:41one of the slips of paper
14:42and hold it up to your forehead.
14:46Okay?
14:48If you notice any change
14:49in my pulse
14:50let me know immediately.
14:51How's my pulse?
14:52Is it faster or slower?
14:54It's the regular pulse.
14:56About the same rate?
14:57Uh-huh.
14:57Okay.
14:58Would you please put
14:59that piece of paper down
15:00and pick up another one?
15:01How's my pulse?
15:05It's the same.
15:07It's not slowed down at all?
15:09No.
15:11All right.
15:11Put that one down
15:12and pick up another one.
15:16How's my pulse?
15:18Fine.
15:19The same.
15:19Without warning
15:20Coram's pulse stops.
15:23It stopped.
15:25I'm sorry?
15:26It stopped.
15:26I have no pulse.
15:27My pulse has stopped?
15:29Yeah.
15:29There is no pulse?
15:31You're holding the name
15:32of the deceased.
15:32Let me have it.
15:33Do not open it.
15:34Hold it pressed tightly
15:34against your head.
15:36I want you to look at me.
15:38This is a gentleman, wasn't it,
15:40that you knew very well?
15:41It was a friend.
15:42And his name is Bruce Prather.
15:45Yes.
15:52Frightening, isn't it?
15:56Although his audience
15:57is thoroughly entertained,
15:59many believe that what
16:00they have witnessed
16:01is not a magician's trick.
16:04Now, how many here,
16:04after seeing this last demonstration,
16:07might believe that I have
16:08some kind of a psychic power?
16:10Let me see a show of hands, please.
16:12But his audience
16:13is reassured.
16:15Everything that you saw
16:17this evening,
16:18everything
16:19was a trick.
16:20psychic powers or cleverly concealed tricks.
16:29After several demonstrations,
16:32Coram was convinced that Heydrich
16:33was not a psychic,
16:35but a trickster employing
16:36brilliantly conceived
16:37stratagems of deception.
16:40Retreating to Dallas,
16:42Coram worked to duplicate
16:43Heydrich's methods.
16:44I believe Heydrich
16:46used a refined technique
16:48of exhaling puffs of air
16:49which caused the pencil
16:50to rotate.
16:52To accomplish this,
16:53the pencil must first
16:54be balanced
16:55on the edge of the table.
16:57Then,
16:57a puff of air
16:58is exhaled,
16:59not at the pencil,
17:00but at the table's surface.
17:02The air currents
17:03moving along the surface
17:04contact the delicately
17:06balanced pencil.
17:07To spin the pencil
17:08in the opposite direction,
17:10a puff of air
17:11is directed
17:11at the other end
17:13of the pencil.
17:15Duplicating Heydrich's head turn
17:17was far more difficult.
17:20With proper timing,
17:21I believe the head
17:22could be turned
17:23before the air currents
17:24reached the pencil.
17:26And with practice,
17:28success.
17:30The turning page
17:32was also accomplished
17:33by the same principle.
17:35If you release
17:36the puff of air
17:37at the tabletop,
17:38a page with an upturned edge
17:40flips over.
17:41I also experimented
17:43with a method
17:44where air currents
17:45were not involved.
17:46In this method,
17:48which cannot be disclosed,
17:50the page slowly turns.
17:54Illusion extraordinaire.
17:58But this
17:58was Coram's toughest challenge.
18:02Motion in a dollar bill.
18:06Sealed from trickery.
18:08My immediate thought
18:09was that Heydrich
18:10used a cleverly concealed device.
18:12But after examining
18:13the props,
18:14I ruled this out.
18:15I noticed, however,
18:16that the bill
18:16only revolved
18:17when Heydrich
18:18was at one end
18:18of the tank.
18:19So I had one of my crew
18:21divert Heydrich
18:21out of the room.
18:22As I anticipated,
18:24my airline ticket
18:25and credit card
18:25easily slid unhindered
18:27beneath the tank's edge.
18:29The doorway
18:30for Heydrich's air currents.
18:32A narrow gap
18:33between the tank
18:34and the table.
18:35Heydrich took advantage
18:37of the unobvious.
18:39Most fish tanks
18:40due to imperfections
18:41will not meet
18:42a table flush
18:42on all edges.
18:43Thus, the seal
18:44is imperfect.
18:46As in the pencil trick,
18:48Coram discovered
18:49the gentle puffs of air
18:50directed at the table's surface
18:52will carry
18:53under the tank's edge
18:54and hit the dollar bill,
18:57setting it in motion.
19:00Few magicians
19:01have ever taken
19:02such a simple
19:02and obvious principle
19:03and yet made it
19:05so deceptive.
19:06To be certain
19:07that Heydrich
19:07would not refute
19:08his explanations,
19:10Coram filmed
19:10each of Heydrich's
19:11demonstrations
19:12in Salt Lake City
19:13with restrictions.
19:15A strategically placed
19:17and highly sensitive
19:18microphone
19:18thwarted
19:20the pencil illusion.
19:22We knew that
19:23Heydrich was afraid
19:24that our microphone
19:25could pick up
19:26his blowing.
19:27I'm going to need music,
19:29I'll bet.
19:30You think so?
19:30Yeah, I just can't,
19:31I can't.
19:33It's too quiet.
19:35He wanted music
19:36to cover his blowing.
19:39When Coram refused,
19:42failure.
19:47The dollar bill trick
19:48foiled by securing tape
19:51along the tank's edge
19:52and again,
19:54failure.
19:58The next day,
20:00Coram and Heydrich
20:01flew to Dallas
20:01for another taping session.
20:03On this day,
20:05Coram removed
20:06his previous restrictions.
20:08I told the sound technician
20:10to inform us
20:11that the mic levels
20:12had to be turned down
20:13due to feedback.
20:15We had a problem
20:16with the audio,
20:16we'll have to do it over.
20:18All right.
20:19With the mic obstacle
20:21eliminated,
20:23the pencils moved.
20:27Later,
20:27Heydrich attempted
20:28to transfer
20:29his pretended power
20:30through Coram.
20:32But unbeknownst
20:33to Heydrich,
20:35Coram blew
20:36on the pencil first.
20:40Heydrich
20:41was startled.
20:42For the dollar bill test,
20:47Coram supplied
20:48a tank
20:48where only one corner
20:50would not meet
20:50the table flush.
20:52This corner
20:53was turned away
20:54from Heydrich.
20:55The dollar bill
20:56remained motionless.
21:00The glass is so hard
21:02to work through.
21:03How about if we turn it?
21:05Maybe,
21:05would that help you?
21:06Yeah.
21:07It doesn't matter.
21:09With the corner
21:09now accessible,
21:10movement.
21:14And when Heydrich
21:15again pretended
21:16to transfer
21:17his power
21:17through Coram,
21:20trying to get
21:20to go back
21:21the other way?
21:22Coram brought
21:23the bill to life.
21:25Never knowing
21:26that Coram
21:27was a professional
21:28magician,
21:30Heydrich was again
21:31bewildered.
21:31We've already
21:35done it twice.
21:36Yeah,
21:36but just
21:36this ain't right.
21:37Something's not right.
21:38What?
21:40I don't know.
21:43It's gonna look
21:43good from here.
21:45Cut off,
21:45Phil.
21:45Noah,
21:46do you think
21:46that we're gonna
21:46do something with it?
21:47At a later taping,
21:49Is that what you're
21:49saying?
21:49It's not right?
21:50Heydrich is reluctant
21:51to demonstrate
21:52the page-turning tree.
21:53I don't want to do it.
21:54I don't.
21:55Forget the part
21:55that I mean.
21:55He becomes
21:56increasingly agitated.
21:57Because I don't
21:59understand, man.
22:00This ain't cool
22:01at all.
22:02And finally,
22:03explodes.
22:05God.
22:07Makes me mad
22:08every time.
22:08Heydrich and his
22:09claims of power
22:10were a destructive
22:10force.
22:12But what later
22:12surfaced was an
22:13even greater threat.
22:15How did they
22:15want to use you?
22:16To brainwash people.
22:24I could have
22:25went two ways,
22:26good or bad.
22:26After several
22:28hours of tense
22:29and exhaustive
22:30dialogue,
22:31Coram was able
22:31to persuade
22:32Heydrich to talk
22:33about his past.
22:34Coram then
22:35enlisted the help
22:36of Hugh Ainsworth,
22:37a former bureau
22:38chief for Newsweek,
22:39to verify the
22:40details of Heydrich's
22:41past.
22:42The taping
22:43lasted two and a
22:44half hours
22:44and revealed
22:45not only trickery,
22:47but a life
22:48of tragedy
22:48and fantasy.
22:50The real
22:51legend of James
22:51Heydrich isn't
22:53the legend that
22:53we've seen on TV
22:54and that we've
22:55read a lot about.
22:57But there really
22:58is a legend here
22:58and it's perhaps
22:59even more bizarre
23:00and unusual
23:01than we knew.
23:03Tell us,
23:03James,
23:03who you really
23:04are.
23:05Well,
23:06a lot I don't
23:07remember because
23:07I've suffered a lot
23:09of head injury
23:10from my father
23:11and a lot of it
23:12just,
23:12well,
23:13I try to remember
23:14it and it hurts.
23:14but my parents
23:16would lock me
23:17in a closet
23:17and they'd
23:18light the door
23:18so I couldn't
23:19come out
23:19because I was
23:20supposed to
23:21embarrass them.
23:21In that closet,
23:22I'd close my eyes
23:23and I'd actually
23:24picture things
23:25coming up.
23:25I'd picture myself
23:26being in a big,
23:27huge house
23:28or a mansion,
23:29monastery
23:30in China
23:31somewhere.
23:31and I actually,
23:34it seems like
23:34something like
23:35astral projection,
23:36it seems like
23:36I was actually
23:37there.
23:38I could actually
23:38physically hear
23:39things taking place.
23:41I might go into
23:41the sand,
23:42hear a dong,
23:43boom,
23:43and then when I'd
23:44appear,
23:45everybody would bow
23:46to me
23:46and I'd be
23:47welcome to come in.
23:52Lock and dam
23:54on the Savannah River
23:55where Heydrich's
23:56youthful fantasies
23:58extended beyond
23:59a locked closet.
24:01He tells of an
24:02imaginary Chinese
24:03mentor who taught
24:04him secret powers.
24:05That's why I met
24:06Master Wu.
24:07I've never seen
24:08a Chinese man before
24:09so I looked
24:09and there's this
24:10little old Chinese
24:11man, I guess
24:12about five foot four.
24:15He would say,
24:16he says,
24:17to you in my eyes
24:17I see a new,
24:19a strange animal
24:21in a new land.
24:22Like he would say,
24:23come with me
24:24and teach you
24:25I will of this
24:26jungle.
24:27Don't be smart,
24:28man,
24:28just sit back
24:29there and take
24:30pictures.
24:31Heydrich's mother,
24:32Lois,
24:33a 37-year-old
24:34house painter.
24:36At the age of 18,
24:37she deserted
24:38Heydrich when
24:39only three years old.
24:41When I left
24:42Philly,
24:42I left
24:43with all four
24:43young ones.
24:45But Philly was
24:46a wife-feater.
24:47I was 15 years old,
24:48he was 30.
24:50I wasn't
24:50nothing but a kid.
24:51I didn't know
24:52nothing.
24:53By the time
24:54I was 21,
24:55I had four kids.
24:57So,
24:57when you were
24:57a young boy
24:58and you were
24:59beaten and you
25:00were shoved aside
25:01and mistreated,
25:02you started a fantasy
25:03world of your own.
25:04Well,
25:05see what happened,
25:06a lot of my pain,
25:07like I'd get pain,
25:08like in fact,
25:09I got scars all
25:09over my stomach
25:10when I was young.
25:11I'd think about
25:12going to the moon
25:13and I remember
25:14when my dad,
25:16he'd take and
25:16he'd tie me
25:17to a barrel
25:17so I couldn't
25:18run
25:19and he'd take
25:21off.
25:22You ever
25:22seen those
25:22little ping-pong
25:23balls?
25:24He'd take two
25:24of those things,
25:25stick them in my
25:25mouth and tie my
25:26head and he'd
25:27whoop me so I
25:28couldn't holler
25:28loud because he'd
25:29be drunk.
25:30And see,
25:31what I'd think
25:32is about laying
25:32my head down
25:33and I'd imagine
25:34rolling and going
25:35up to the moon.
25:37And by the time
25:38I got back
25:38to beating
25:39those, I mean,
25:39I'm cut up
25:40real bad.
25:41When his mother
25:42left,
25:42Heydrick's father
25:43later remarried.
25:45She recalls abuse
25:46from Heydrick's
25:47stepmother,
25:47Mary.
25:48But see,
25:49Mary,
25:50she didn't like
25:50my kids anyways.
25:51Well,
25:52they was mine,
25:53you know,
25:53mine and Beard.
25:57And so,
25:58Mary got mad
25:59at them one day.
26:00They done
26:00something they
26:01wasn't supposed
26:01to.
26:03So,
26:04Mary tied
26:06them out
26:06in the yard
26:07to the tree.
26:09Well,
26:09it happened
26:09to be the same
26:10tree that
26:11dogs tied to.
26:14So,
26:15when it comes
26:15to supper
26:15time,
26:16Mary wouldn't
26:16feed.
26:18So,
26:19Billy come
26:19home,
26:20he said,
26:20well,
26:20what'd they
26:21do?
26:21Mary said,
26:22they'd misbehave
26:23and I just
26:23tied them
26:24out there.
26:24Is there
26:25any truth
26:25to any
26:25of that?
26:26Heydrick's
26:26father,
26:27Billy,
26:28a former
26:28convict who
26:29served on
26:29a chain
26:30gang when
26:30Heydrick was
26:31an infant.
26:32Well,
26:32my wife
26:33always tried
26:33to treat
26:34him right
26:34because,
26:35you know,
26:36when broken
26:38up families
26:39and I
26:40married again,
26:40well,
26:42they always,
26:43they don't
26:44like her,
26:45she don't
26:45like them
26:46sometimes,
26:46the way
26:47they act.
26:47She's
26:48tried to
26:48be nice.
26:49What was
26:49the one
26:50thing that
26:50you can
26:50remember the
26:51most about
26:51James?
26:54Well,
26:55when I
26:56was working
26:56them honky
26:57tonks and
26:57couldn't get
26:58nobody to
26:58stay with
26:59him,
26:59I kept
27:00him in
27:00the car
27:00there a lot
27:02of times.
27:02He'd stay
27:03in the car
27:03while you
27:03went to
27:04work?
27:04I'd sleep
27:05back there,
27:06had a station
27:06wagon.
27:07Heidrick was
27:08then shuffled
27:08to different
27:09foster homes.
27:10Later,
27:11at the age
27:12of nine,
27:13he was
27:13committed to
27:13Whitten Center,
27:15an institution
27:15for the mentally
27:16retarded.
27:17I went to
27:17Whitten Village
27:18and talked
27:19with him.
27:20That's another
27:20point I wanted
27:21to ask you.
27:21What was he
27:22doing?
27:22Why was he
27:23at Whitten
27:23Village?
27:23He wasn't
27:24retarded,
27:24was he?
27:24No,
27:25he wasn't
27:25retarded,
27:26and the
27:27welfare people
27:27done that
27:28on their
27:29own.
27:30I didn't
27:30have nothing
27:30to do with
27:31it.
27:31Why did
27:32they do
27:32that?
27:33I don't
27:33know.
27:34Was he
27:35in some
27:35trouble at
27:35that point,
27:36or was he
27:36in and
27:37out of
27:37trouble?
27:37Well,
27:37they said
27:38he couldn't
27:38handle him.
27:40He was
27:40too active.
27:42Was it
27:42tough at
27:42Whitten Village?
27:43I mean,
27:44was it
27:44pretty rough
27:45place?
27:45Well,
27:45they said
27:45they had
27:45to give
27:46him some
27:46tranquilizers
27:47to calm
27:47him down.
27:49Tragically,
27:50the nine-year-old
27:50Heidrick was
27:51not mentally
27:52retarded,
27:52as confirmed
27:53by his
27:53social worker
27:54at Whitten
27:54Center,
27:55Hilda
27:56Carter.
27:56Well,
27:57at one
27:57time,
27:58Whitten
27:58Center was
27:58not only
28:00an institution
28:01for the
28:01mentally
28:01retarded,
28:02but also
28:02took
28:03children who
28:05came from
28:18various
28:18church groups
28:19that would
28:19rally to
28:20the cause
28:20of taking
28:21a boy in.
28:22Frank Gilardi,
28:24the crime
28:24prevention
28:25officer in
28:25Aiken who
28:26worked with
28:26the rebellious
28:27teenager.
28:28I just
28:28think that
28:29he's no
28:29different from
28:30any other
28:30young man.
28:32And like
28:32adults,
28:33if there's
28:33a lack
28:34of love
28:34shown,
28:35and you're
28:36not wanted,
28:36you strike
28:37out.
28:37And I
28:37think in
28:38this case,
28:38this is
28:38what's
28:39happened
28:39with this
28:39young man.
28:40He never
28:40had anybody
28:40that really
28:41showed him
28:42any love.
28:42What would
28:43you do
28:43differently?
28:44Anything at
28:44all?
28:45Is there
28:45anything you
28:45could have
28:46done differently?
28:49Stayed
28:49with their
28:50father.
28:55Would
28:55you do
28:55that if
28:56you had
28:56a chance?
29:03God
29:03don't
29:03give
29:04me
29:04to
29:04cry?
29:06I
29:07would
29:07have.
29:08Yeah.
29:09I'd
29:09have
29:09stayed
29:09with
29:09their
29:10father.
29:12He was
29:12a good
29:13provider.
29:14He was
29:14a good
29:14husband.
29:15He just
29:16happened
29:16to be a
29:16wife
29:16better.
29:23At
29:23age
29:2317,
29:25Heidrick
29:25hitchhikes
29:26to California,
29:27away from
29:28Aiken,
29:28and his
29:29scarred
29:29past.
29:31He was
29:32always
29:32sort of
29:33a showman.
29:34The first
29:35time I
29:35saw him,
29:36he was
29:36wearing
29:36sort of
29:37a Batman
29:37uniform or
29:38something
29:39with a
29:40flowing
29:40cape.
29:43He
29:43usually
29:44wore
29:44something
29:44like that
29:45to attract
29:46attention,
29:47to make
29:47him a
29:47little bit
29:47different.
29:48Chester
29:48Cromwell
29:49was
29:49Heidrick's
29:50last
29:50foster
29:50parent
29:51in
29:51Aiken.
29:52He
29:52received
29:53several
29:53letters
29:53from the
29:54adventure-bound
29:54youth.
29:56Chester,
29:56he sent
29:57you a
29:57letter.
29:57What did
29:57it say
29:58in the
29:58letter?
29:59He said
29:59it was
29:59an
29:59unusual
30:00letter.
30:00Well,
30:01he has
30:02sent me
30:02several
30:02letters.
30:03One of
30:04them was
30:04that he
30:05was doing
30:06some
30:06movies or
30:07something
30:08as a
30:09star of
30:09Kung Fu.
30:10He was
30:11the new
30:12Bruce Lee.
30:14Heidrick was
30:15never the
30:15star he
30:16claimed to
30:16be.
30:17Instead,
30:18it was
30:18here at
30:18the Los
30:19Angeles
30:19County
30:20Jail
30:20where
30:20Heidrick
30:21was
30:21incarcerated
30:22for
30:22three and
30:22a half
30:23years
30:23for
30:24kidnapping
30:24and
30:25robbery.
30:26And
30:26where he
30:26was first
30:27exposed to
30:28the world
30:28of the
30:29cults.
30:30Intrigued,
30:31Heidrick studied
30:32these cultic
30:33writings of
30:34Muharrem
30:34Korbegovich,
30:35the alphabet
30:36bomber convicted
30:37of bombing the
30:38Los Angeles
30:39International
30:39Airport.
30:40As the
30:41taping
30:41continued,
30:43Coram learned
30:43much more
30:44about the
30:44relationship
30:45between Heidrick's
30:46claims of
30:47power and
30:48his aspirations.
30:49Do you
30:50feel bad
30:50because you
30:51tricked them?
30:53No,
30:54I don't
30:54feel bad
30:54at all
30:55because
30:55it would
30:57be different
30:57if you
30:58tricked them
30:58and didn't
30:59wrong,
30:59but I
31:00tricked them
31:00for the
31:01good.
31:08To
31:08eliminate
31:09any future
31:09threat,
31:10Coram
31:11believed
31:11Heidrick must
31:12reveal not
31:13only his
31:13past,
31:14but how
31:15and why
31:16he used
31:16his claims
31:17of power.
31:18Because of
31:18Coram's
31:19persistence,
31:20what you
31:21are about
31:21to see
31:21and hear
31:22is the
31:23first confession
31:24of a
31:24leading psychic.
31:26Heidrick
31:26begins by
31:27telling of
31:27his fascination
31:28with magic
31:29and magicians
31:30at the
31:30age of
31:31nine.
31:32And he'd
31:33show how
31:33easy it is
31:34to trick
31:34people.
31:36And you
31:37stand and
31:37you talk
31:37to the
31:38person and
31:38all of a
31:38sudden he'd
31:39move his
31:39hands around
31:40and he'd
31:40throw the
31:40paper over
31:41the guy's
31:41head.
31:42And
31:42everybody
31:42in the
31:42audience
31:43is laughing
31:43and this
31:44guy's
31:44going,
31:44I wonder
31:45what are
31:45they laughing
31:46at?
31:46And he
31:47opened his
31:47hand and
31:47the guy
31:48goes like
31:48that.
31:49And it's
31:50just a
31:50sleight of
31:50hand.
31:51The guy's
31:51paying attention
31:52to the
31:52hand movement
31:52and actually
31:53you're
31:53throwing the
31:53paper over
31:54his head.
31:54Things like
31:55that impress
31:56me how
31:56close-minded
31:58a lot of
31:58people were.
32:00I mean
32:00it's so
32:01fascinating to
32:03see how
32:04people would
32:04just miss
32:05things just
32:05like that.
32:06The obvious
32:06things they'd
32:07miss.
32:08You know
32:08we have
32:09something in
32:09common.
32:09We both
32:10learned our
32:10first trick
32:11at nine
32:11years old.
32:11But I
32:12could read
32:12and write
32:13and I
32:13had somebody
32:14to teach
32:15me.
32:15How did
32:15you learn?
32:16I mean
32:16you couldn't
32:16even read
32:16and write.
32:17Basically I'd
32:18con my
32:19teachers into
32:19reading to me.
32:20How did
32:21you do that?
32:22I guess I'd
32:23have that
32:23little sweet
32:24voice that I
32:25could just
32:25do that.
32:26And Miss
32:26King used
32:27to read
32:27for me.
32:28She's a
32:28real good
32:28teacher.
32:28Her name's
32:29Miss
32:29King.
32:29and she
32:30used to
32:31read for
32:32me.
32:33And I
32:33just sat
32:34back and
32:34think with
32:34Harry Houdini
32:36you've got
32:36all these
32:37magicians who
32:38make rabbits
32:38disappear and
32:39Harry Houdini
32:40makes an
32:40elephant disappear.
32:42And there's
32:43ways that I
32:44would think
32:44back and I'm
32:45trying to use
32:46the obvious
32:46thing and I
32:47was right.
32:48Harry Houdini
32:48would have a
32:49box and from
32:50the audience
32:50he'd have
32:51someone look
32:51into a box.
32:52Except it
32:53looks like
32:53it's a
32:55triangle.
32:56But it's
32:57not.
32:57It's just
32:57like this.
32:58And then it's
32:58got another
32:59piece here.
33:00And actually
33:00when he
33:00closes the
33:01curtains it
33:01turns.
33:02So the
33:02elephant's
33:03actually
33:03behind.
33:04And he
33:05would make
33:05you know
33:06it's
33:06something I
33:06figured out
33:07and it
33:07was right.
33:08And then I
33:09figured well
33:09geez if
33:10people go
33:11crazy over
33:12that maybe
33:13I should
33:13do something
33:14people go
33:14crazy over.
33:15But then I
33:16didn't.
33:16But Houdini
33:17presented his
33:17tricks as
33:18powers.
33:19Why did
33:19you feel
33:20that you
33:20had to
33:21tell them
33:21that you
33:22had powers
33:22that you
33:22didn't
33:23have?
33:23Because I
33:24wanted
33:24attention.
33:25My parents
33:25would never
33:25give it
33:26to me.
33:26I'd
33:27never I
33:27would always
33:28be ignored
33:28or kicked
33:29around.
33:29And I
33:29had to
33:30do this
33:30to make
33:31me feel
33:31good.
33:31It gave
33:32me
33:32confidence.
33:32Every time
33:33someone thought
33:33what I did
33:34was very
33:34good but I'd
33:35never tell
33:36them what it
33:36was.
33:36I'd tell
33:37them it's
33:37something
33:37else.
33:38Because if
33:39I tell
33:39them what
33:40it was
33:40it's oh
33:40fine it's
33:41just good.
33:42But I
33:42always tell
33:42them it's
33:42something
33:43else so
33:43that I
33:43continued
33:44to get
33:45a
33:45recognition.
33:46Heidrich
33:47received his
33:47recognition on
33:48national
33:49television.
33:50You were
33:50on That's
33:50Incredible a
33:51few months
33:52ago and you
33:53really tricked
33:54them.
33:55Tricked the
33:55whole world.
33:56You tricked
33:57them really
33:57good.
33:58Do you
33:58remember how
33:59impressed they
34:01were with
34:01you?
34:03What does
34:03it make you
34:04feel like?
34:05I did that
34:06to reach.
34:06It's like a
34:07hand reaching
34:07out for
34:08recognition so
34:10that I can
34:11later on.
34:12I don't know.
34:13I just wanted
34:14to be known.
34:16I needed to
34:17be recognized.
34:19All my life
34:20I hate
34:22keeping to
34:22go back
34:23to the
34:23past.
34:23I hate
34:23to keep
34:25going back
34:25but I
34:27don't know.
34:27I wanted
34:28to do that
34:28because it
34:29was different
34:29and I
34:30knew I
34:31just wanted
34:32to see how
34:32open-minded
34:33people were.
34:34I wanted
34:34to see if
34:36these people
34:36were so-called
34:37intelligent and
34:38I was so-called
34:39dumb.
34:41I mean,
34:41surely I'm
34:41here for a
34:42reason.
34:43My whole
34:44idea behind
34:44this in the
34:45first place
34:46was to see
34:47how dumb
34:47America was,
34:48how dumb
34:49the world
34:49is,
34:49Heydrich,
34:51admitting that
34:51Coram had
34:52outwitted him,
34:53eventually agreed
34:54to demonstrate
34:55his technique.
34:56I practice this
34:57over and over
34:58again to where
34:59if you can
34:59show,
35:00like if I
35:01stand here
35:01and I say,
35:02okay,
35:02I'm going to
35:02move this
35:03leaf,
35:03people's
35:04looking and
35:04they're
35:04waiting,
35:05so the
35:06leaf moves,
35:07okay?
35:07It did
35:08move.
35:08Okay,
35:09actually it
35:10didn't move
35:10from power,
35:11it moved
35:11from something
35:11else,
35:12physical.
35:13But the
35:13people in the
35:13audience,
35:14it's moved
35:14from air
35:15currents.
35:15From where?
35:16From my
35:16mouth.
35:17But you can't
35:18tell it.
35:18See,
35:18it takes so
35:19getting the
35:20damn path
35:21to where
35:22you can't
35:22see it,
35:23you see?
35:24And I have
35:24to say that,
35:24as a matter
35:25of fact,
35:25what you did,
35:26if I'm not
35:27mistaken,
35:28you would
35:28take somebody
35:29and hold
35:30their hand
35:31and you'd
35:31tell them
35:32to point
35:32at the
35:33leaf and
35:33you'd say,
35:33now you
35:34will make
35:34the leaf
35:34move.
35:35Right,
35:35and they
35:35believe they
35:36make it.
35:36See,
35:36it's called
35:37power of
35:37suggestion.
35:38Once you
35:38get a person
35:39to actually
35:40believe he
35:40can do
35:40something,
35:41then perhaps
35:42he can
35:42do it.
35:42What did
35:43you do,
35:43though,
35:43when you
35:43would hold
35:44their hand?
35:44Can you
35:45show it?
35:46Right now.
35:46Let me
35:46explain what
35:47I'm doing.
35:47First of
35:48all,
35:48I'm not
35:48going like
35:50that,
35:51because that
35:51can be
35:51seen.
35:52I am
35:52taking air
35:53from inside
35:54and causing
35:55it to come
35:56out in a
35:56way to where
35:57nothing here
35:57shows.
35:58And if you
35:59can get the
35:59camera on
36:00my face,
36:01and you
36:01see this
36:02leaf,
36:04it moves,
36:04but nothing
36:05here moves,
36:06you see?
36:07And what I
36:07do is I'd
36:08grab the
36:09hand,
36:10and I'd
36:11do like
36:11this,
36:11see?
36:13It's
36:13already
36:13moved,
36:14because I
36:14can direct
36:15it in a
36:15way to
36:15where it's
36:16hit on
36:17every time.
36:18And my
36:18practice,
36:19I spent a
36:20year and
36:20six months
36:20in solitary
36:21confinement,
36:22and all
36:23this time
36:23I'd been
36:23thinking
36:24and I
36:25said,
36:25that's it.
36:26And you
36:27could take
36:27all the
36:27time you
36:28wanted to
36:28learn how
36:28to breathe
36:29and make
36:29it move.
36:30And I
36:30had spent
36:31hours and
36:31hours and
36:32hold my
36:33breath and
36:33breathing,
36:34different
36:34breathing
36:35controls,
36:36different
36:36things,
36:37so many
36:37ways.
36:38I could
36:38make
36:40deputies
36:40think someone
36:41touched
36:41them on
36:42their neck
36:42or something,
36:43because I
36:43could breathe
36:43in a way
36:44and I'd be
36:44looking over
36:45here and
36:45they'd feel
36:46something and
36:46I'd say,
36:46that's a ghost.
36:47And they'd
36:48right on the
36:48floor.
36:49They'd go
36:49running out of
36:50the place.
36:51And it's
36:52something that
36:52was fascinating
36:53to me and
36:54it got me
36:54recognition.
36:55I mean,
36:56every deputy in
36:56that jail was
36:57so frightened.
36:58that guy's
36:59possessed.
37:02When in
37:02Egypt,
37:03performing for
37:03family members
37:04of the late
37:05Anwar Sadat,
37:07Heydrich relates
37:08how he healed
37:08a woman stricken
37:09by a heart
37:10attack.
37:11She strongly
37:12believed that I
37:12could actually
37:13heal her,
37:14and she came
37:14right up.
37:14What did you
37:15do that made
37:16her believe
37:16that?
37:17By moving
37:18things,
37:18and I would
37:18show her so
37:19many things,
37:20and see,
37:20I would touch
37:21her, and she'd
37:22actually feel
37:22weird things.
37:23But it's
37:25only in her
37:26mind.
37:26She wanted
37:26to feel
37:27these things.
37:28Do you feel
37:28bad because
37:29you tricked
37:31them?
37:31No, I don't
37:32feel bad at
37:33all.
37:33Because it'd
37:35be different
37:36if you tricked
37:36them and
37:37didn't roll.
37:38But I tricked
37:38them for the
37:39good.
37:40Were adults
37:40fooled by what
37:42you did as
37:43well as
37:44children?
37:44Absolutely.
37:46In fact,
37:46there was more
37:46adults fooled
37:47by children.
37:49Why?
37:50Because a lot
37:52of the adults
37:52are looking for
37:53something like
37:53this.
37:53They want
37:54to see
37:55something like
37:56this exist.
37:57Dr. Ray
37:58Hyman, a
37:59professor of
38:00psychology at
38:01the University
38:01of Oregon and
38:03an expert on
38:03deception.
38:04He is noted
38:05for his work
38:06with the
38:06defense department
38:07exposing
38:08fraudulent
38:08psychics.
38:10He maintains
38:10that anyone
38:11can be deceived
38:12such as the
38:13scientist who
38:13tested Heydrich.
38:15Then we are
38:16fooled not
38:16because we are
38:17mentally incompetent
38:18or gullible,
38:19but rather
38:20because we are
38:20intelligent,
38:21correct?
38:21Yes, and
38:22I'm glad you
38:23used the word
38:23gullible because
38:24there is an
38:27illusion called
38:28the illusion of
38:28invulnerability
38:29or the not
38:30me syndrome.
38:32And when we
38:33see someone else
38:34being taken
38:34in, someone
38:35taken in by
38:36Heydrich, for
38:37example, if
38:37someone may
38:38watch this and
38:38say, gee, how
38:40gullible those
38:40people are being
38:41taken in by
38:41something like
38:42that.
38:43And they say,
38:44that couldn't
38:44happen to me.
38:45Those people are
38:46gullible.
38:47The very phrase
38:48of saying that
38:48person is gullible
38:49is a device, a
38:50psychological
38:51device to say,
38:52he's different
38:52from me.
38:53There's something
38:53wrong with that
38:54fellow.
38:54I couldn't fall
38:55for that.
38:56And unfortunately,
38:57that, to the
38:58extent that people
38:59really believe that
39:00they're different
39:00from other people
39:01who are being
39:01taken in, that
39:02it makes me even
39:03more susceptible
39:04to being taken
39:04in.
39:05In fact, if I
39:06were a con man,
39:06that's the kind
39:07of person I want
39:07to deal with.
39:08The only way to
39:08avoid being deceived,
39:10Danny, if you
39:10think about it, is
39:12to create a
39:13situation that's
39:14intolerable.
39:14We couldn't live
39:15with it.
39:16You have to trust
39:16to some extent,
39:17you have to trust
39:18your own intuitions
39:19at some times.
39:20You have to trust
39:21other people.
39:22Do you think
39:22that parents
39:24watching this
39:25particular program
39:26might think that
39:28what you were
39:28trying to start
39:29was a cult?
39:29A cult, yes.
39:31You say that
39:31you did not want
39:32to start a cult.
39:33No.
39:34Now, you know
39:35that you can't
39:36read and write.
39:37Right.
39:37And that you
39:38lack education.
39:39Right.
39:39Do you think
39:40the possibility
39:41existed that
39:42somebody could
39:44have used you
39:45to start a cult?
39:47Absolutely.
39:49Kubergovich.
39:49King Meharian
39:50Kubergovich.
39:51Who is he?
39:51The Alphabet
39:51Bomber who
39:52blew up the
39:53airport in L.A.
39:55He wanted to
39:56use me for an
39:57cult.
39:58Sirhan Sirhan,
39:59who was part
39:59of the occult.
40:00It's called
40:01Aliens of America,
40:02the AOA.
40:03And these people
40:04wanted to use me
40:05as a leader
40:06of their occult.
40:07How, let me
40:08ask you, how
40:09did they want
40:09to use you?
40:10To brainwash
40:10people.
40:11By, in other
40:12words, by showing
40:12them this power
40:13and saying that
40:14this power came
40:14from something
40:15that it didn't.
40:16You know, Jim
40:16Jones was of
40:19that type.
40:20He used tricks
40:22to enhance his
40:24image with his
40:26He did conjuring
40:27type tricks?
40:27He did magic
40:28tricks, yes, and
40:29he did some
40:30other kinds of
40:30cons.
40:31He actually had
40:31some people
40:32pretend that
40:33they were sick
40:34so he could
40:35cure them.
40:36He stooped
40:37to all these
40:38things as a way
40:39of enhancing
40:40his powers.
40:41So then a
40:42purported psyche
40:43could be used
40:43to form a
40:44cult.
40:45Oh, yes, no
40:46question about it.
40:47Absolutely, like
40:47with the Jim
40:48Jones incident.
40:50That would have
40:52never taken place
40:53if people's
40:53minds would
40:54have been
40:54open.
40:55That would
40:55have been
40:55stopped.
40:56The thing
40:57with Sir
40:57Hanster...
40:57When you
40:58say people's
40:59minds, are
40:59you talking
40:59about the
41:00people in
41:00his group
41:01or people
41:03in the
41:03country?
41:03The
41:03country.
41:05Two days
41:06after
41:06Heydrich's
41:06confession,
41:07he was
41:08arrested for
41:08receiving stolen
41:09guns.
41:11Coram visited
41:12Heydrich in
41:12jail several
41:13weeks after
41:14his arrest.
41:16I came to
41:17see Heydrich
41:18as I was
41:18told he tried
41:19to hang
41:19himself the
41:20night before.
41:23I had the
41:24rope under
41:25my jaw here
41:26where it would
41:26rest there and
41:27I had my head
41:27turned, you
41:28know, and I
41:29would lift up
41:30off my tiptoes
41:30and I'd turn
41:31a little bit
41:31where it looked
41:32like I was
41:32hanging.
41:33It was really
41:34funny.
41:34I don't think
41:35it was worth
41:36it now.
41:36I mean, it
41:36threw me in
41:37a cell with
41:37no clothes
41:38on and I
41:39like to
41:39froze, but
41:40it was funny
41:41for a while.
41:43So it was
41:43just another
41:44trick?
41:45Just something
41:46past time.
41:47You see, I'm
41:4822 years old,
41:49but I've only
41:50been living in
41:51the world,
41:52outside world,
41:52for two years,
41:53if that.
41:54So I'm not
41:55really 22.
41:58Fantasy and
41:59deception, now
42:01exposure and
42:02confinement.
42:03James
42:04Heydrich, his
42:05world of
42:06illusion, shattered
42:08by reality.
42:08Heidrich's arrest
42:30confirmed my
42:31initial fears
42:32that he might
42:32be a negative
42:33influence on
42:33young people
42:34whom he
42:35attracted with
42:35his claims
42:36of power.
42:36The reason
42:37for his
42:37arrest was
42:38that he
42:38received several
42:39stolen guns
42:40from teenage
42:40students who
42:41were members
42:42of a studio.
42:43As a magician,
42:44it's very easy
42:45for me to
42:45understand how
42:46each of us
42:46can be deceived.
42:48But as
42:49Christians, we
42:50have a
42:50responsibility to
42:51know the
42:52difference between
42:52real and
42:53counterfeit
42:53powers.
42:54The Apostle
42:55Paul in
42:552 Thessalonians
42:57warns us that
42:58many will try
42:58and deceive us
42:59with counterfeit
43:00miracles, signs,
43:01and wonders.
43:02So in the
43:03fifth chapter
43:03of Ephesians,
43:04he admonishes
43:05us to expose
43:06the works of
43:06darkness.
43:07But for me,
43:08Jesus Christ is
43:09the way, the
43:10truth, and the
43:10life, and not
43:11your neighborhood
43:12psychic or
43:12fortune teller.
43:13After the
43:14attempted assassination
43:15on President
43:16Reagan's life,
43:17a purported
43:17psychic, Tamara
43:18Rand, had claimed
43:19she had predicted
43:20the assassination
43:21attempt.
43:22Her prediction
43:22later turned out
43:23to be nothing
43:24more than a
43:25cruel hoax.
43:26Now as a
43:26magician, I tell
43:28my audience that
43:29everything that I
43:30do is a trick.
43:31The James
43:32Heydrichs and
43:32Tamara Rands,
43:33however, play in
43:34our fantasies and
43:35try and turn them
43:36into their own
43:37distorted reality.
43:38The Jim Jones
43:39reality was
43:40life-destroying.
43:41So when you hear
43:42of someone claiming
43:43to have psychic
43:44or supernatural
43:44powers, just be
43:46cautious.
43:47Until the next
43:48time, I'm Danny
43:49Coram.
44:01you guys are
44:17about to
44:19read.
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