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La comisaria europea Dubravka Šuica ha defendido el nuevo Pacto por el Mediterráneo frente a las críticas de que la iniciativa nacería muerta debido a los intereses divergentes entre la Unión Europea y los Estados árabes del sur.
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La comisaria europea Dubravka Šuica ha defendido el nuevo Pacto por el Mediterráneo frente a las críticas de que la iniciativa nacería muerta debido a los intereses divergentes entre la Unión Europea y los Estados árabes del sur.
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02:44el mundo. Estamos deslizando aquí en Europa,
02:46así que es muy importante que se balancezca.
02:48Así que, por tener
02:49estas personas aquí en Europa,
02:51no es para crear un cerebro en la derecha,
02:54es para tener una circulación de cerebro
02:56y es para dar oportunidad
02:58para aquellos que son habilidades
03:00y que son educados
03:02para venir aquí,
03:04pero al mismo tiempo para estar en sus países
03:05y para desarrollar sus países.
03:09Es, en realidad,
03:10una filosofía completamente nueva
03:11en el Mediterráneo.
03:12Sabes que necesitamos energía.
03:14Sabes que queremos cambiar
03:17a energías renovables. Sabes que queremos
03:18decarbonizar la región.
03:20Así que, si decarbonizamos la región
03:22desde este lado, Francia,
03:25España, Italia,
03:27Griecia, Cyprus,
03:28pero si no usamos los mismos
03:30standardes en la parte sudera del Mediterráneo,
03:33entonces el mar y la región
03:35se deslizan de nuevo.
03:36Así que, por hacer todo esto,
03:40tenemos una situación de win-win-win-win,
03:43abrir nuevos trabajos,
03:45desarrollando estos países,
03:47decarbonizando la región,
03:48así que todo está ahí.
03:50Hay críticos ahí,
03:52que ya han dicho,
03:53que este proyecto está muerto
03:54en la llegada de la región.
03:57los países que estamos hablando de aquí.
03:59Por ejemplo, Libia, por ejemplo,
04:01donde los rusos y los turcos son grandes jugadores.
04:04Por ejemplo, Algeria, Lebanon, Tunisia,
04:07que no han dado ningún interés en Europa.
04:09Y luego, Morocco, con el que Bruselas está en los hogares
04:14de la Oeste y Sahara.
04:17¿No tenemos demasiado en nuestro plato aquí?
04:19¿Están estos intereses solo tan diferentes?
04:22Yo puedo responder con la pregunta de la Oeste.
04:26¿Quién, si no estamos ahí?
04:29¿Quién estará ahí?
04:30Entonces, entendemos que hay China, hay Rusia,
04:33hay países que tienen interés en esta parte del mundo,
04:36pero Europa quiere estar presente.
04:38Y estamos diciendo que siempre estamos pagando
04:42y que somos los grandes pagadores para estos países.
04:46No queremos ser solo pagadores.
04:47También queremos ser jugadores.
04:49Y esto es por lo que estamos cambiando ahora.
04:51Claro, siempre es no es fácil,
04:53pero vamos hacer nuestro mejor.
04:55Sabemos que tenemos un acuerdo estratégico
04:56con Egipto, con Tunisia.
05:00Nos aprobamos el acuerdo con Jordán.
05:02Estamos ahora apenas aprobados
05:03un acuerdo más estratégico con Morocco
05:06porque son nuestros vecinos.
05:09Y queremos estar presentes allí.
05:11Y esto es lo que hemos estado haciendo.
05:12Claro, no es siempre fácil.
05:14Así que no diré que el proyecto está ahí.
05:16En el contrario, nosotros vamos, of course,
05:20no celebrar, pero marcar la declaración 30 de la declaración
05:24de Barcelona en el 28 de este mes.
05:28Y esto será el momento de presentar esto
05:30para 10 vecinos de suerte,
05:32pero también a 27 de los estados europeos.
05:36Así que es para nosotros.
05:38Es para nosotros.
05:39Así que, Ursula von der Leyen ha dicho
05:41que la comisión es la integración progresiva.
05:45Ahora, eso parece un poco distante hoy.
05:49Can you name a few very concrete things
05:54about why people should be excited about this?
05:59So, of course, it's not about integration,
06:01but economic integration could come out
06:05from our cooperation with them.
06:07So, it's also about skills and education.
06:12One of the most important flagship projects for me
06:16would be Mediterranean University.
06:19What is my goal?
06:20My goal is, and the goal of my colleagues,
06:22is to establish alliance or network
06:25of Mediterranean universities,
06:27starting from Beirut to Alexandria,
06:31Fès, Marseille, Barcelona, Naples and Greece.
06:36So, to have curricula on Mediterranean
06:40at the existing universities.
06:43So, we don't want to build new premises,
06:45but we want to connect young people from the region.
06:48By connecting young people,
06:50by studying about their background,
06:55about culture, heritage, about religion,
06:58we can come closer.
07:00And this is our main goal,
07:01because Mediterranean,
07:03we want to have Mediterranean as the bridge,
07:05not as the conflict zone,
07:07which is at the moment.
07:09So, we want to change the situation,
07:12and this is exactly why we are turning our attention
07:15to the Mediterranean.
07:16It's not only Mediterranean,
07:17it's also Gulf countries,
07:19although they are not geographically Mediterranean,
07:22but we badly need Gulf countries,
07:24we need them on board,
07:26in order to have peace and security
07:27in the Mediterranean, of course.
07:29So, this is something which we are trying to establish.
07:33Of course, it's also about migration.
07:36I don't want to shy away from migration,
07:39but we want to stop migration by doing this,
07:43by helping young people to develop,
07:47and by helping young people to be part of this process.
07:51There are many projects,
07:54for example, in Egypt.
07:56In Egypt, we pledged,
07:58European companies pledged,
08:00after we signed this comprehensive partnership agreement,
08:04we pledged 49 billion euros investments in Egypt.
08:09So, same goes for Tunisia.
08:11In Jordan, we are just about to start some projects,
08:14so this is something which is ongoing.
08:17Morocco, you mentioned Morocco versus Sahara,
08:19we found a solution,
08:21and we are on good terms with our colleagues in Morocco,
08:25and we are looking forward to deepening this agreement.
08:29Speaking of solutions,
08:30and let me now pivot to the Middle East,
08:32which is also part of the Mediterranean family,
08:34and I'm talking about, of course,
08:36the first meeting of the new group
08:38being established by the EU
08:40to support Palestinians,
08:42the Palestinian Authority,
08:44and the reconstruction of the Gaza Strip.
08:48Tell us about this group,
08:50who is in it,
08:51and what's happening next.
08:53First of all,
08:54you know that we are trying to strengthen
08:56the Palestinian Authority,
08:57and this is our main goal.
08:59This is the reason why we invested,
09:01from 2021 to 2024,
09:031.3 billion euro,
09:05and now there is a new reform matrix program
09:08for this year, next year,
09:10in 27, 1.6 billion euro.
09:13Of course,
09:14this money will be dispersed
09:16upon conditions.
09:18Of course, conditions are reforms
09:19which they are obliged to do.
09:21What we are trying to do,
09:23there will be a Palestine donor group,
09:25and it will be established by the Commission,
09:27in co-ownership with the Palestinian Authority,
09:32so I will be chairing this group
09:33together with Mustafa,
09:36Prime Minister of Palestine.
09:40So, Palestine donor group
09:41is a new platform
09:43where we will discuss their reforms,
09:46we will discuss what we can do
09:48to empower them,
09:50to encourage them to be stronger
09:53than they are at the moment.
09:55Of course, Hamas is out of question,
09:57we don't talk to these people,
09:58only to the people
09:59of the Palestine Authority.
10:01So, there will be,
10:02at this moment,
10:03so far as I know,
10:04there will be 60 participants,
10:06all 27 member states,
10:08plus states,
10:10plus the region,
10:11and some other people
10:13who were invited
10:14from our partner countries
10:16and allies.
10:17So, we will be trying
10:19to show that Palestine Authority
10:22can at one point,
10:24or could at one point,
10:25take over some of the services
10:28in the country,
10:29not only in West Bank,
10:30but also later in Gaza.
10:32Now, the Palestinian Authority
10:34is a kind of a controversial body,
10:36if I may say.
10:37The Gulf states,
10:38for example,
10:39that you mentioned,
10:40they don't trust it.
10:42How do you get along
10:43with these guys,
10:44and how do you pressure
10:45the Palestinian Authority
10:47to implement reform,
10:51good governance,
10:52transparency,
10:53fight against corruption,
10:54etc.?
10:55We need solutions.
10:57We have Hamas,
10:58we don't want to talk to Hamas,
10:59then we need some regular authority,
11:03which is Palestine Authority for us.
11:05And, as I told,
11:07the money which we are investing there
11:10is conditioned.
11:12And it's all the money
11:13which we pay for Palestine Authority
11:15is done under Pegaz mechanism,
11:17which means that none or no cent
11:21is being disbursed
11:22without conditions.
11:24Reforms,
11:25and this is what we have been doing.
11:27So, who,
11:28if we don't have them?
11:30So, who will be in Palestine?
11:33We need someone,
11:34also Israel.
11:36They need someone to talk.
11:37So, who will sit at the table
11:38once the situation allows?
11:42Who will sit at the table?
11:44Palestine Authority
11:45plus Israel.
11:47But they need to be reformed.
11:50And this is our precondition.
11:53To say that the EU is divided
11:56over the Gaza situation
11:58is a kind of an understatement.
12:00So, there are some countries
12:01that have recognized
12:02a Palestinian state.
12:04Others haven't.
12:05Does that complicate your job
12:09in getting reconstruction going?
12:13Of course.
12:13It would be much easier
12:14if all of them recognize,
12:16but it won't change the situation.
12:19We have to reconstruct Gaza,
12:22but not only us.
12:23Europe cannot do it alone.
12:25This is why I said
12:26we need Gulf countries,
12:28but we also need
12:29the American administration.
12:31And this is something
12:31which we have to be
12:32open and clear on it.
12:34So, now, as you know,
12:35we have this 20 points program,
12:38which means that
12:39we have to move forward.
12:41And this is the only way.
12:43Of course, we need Israel
12:44to have on board.
12:45We need them to release
12:47tax revenues for Palestine people,
12:49which is not the case.
12:51We need many different commitments
12:54also from Israel.
12:55Of course, they are not
12:57in favor of two-state solution,
12:59but little by little
13:00they need to say
13:01what do they want in the end.
13:03That ceasefire agreement
13:05that was established
13:06under the auspices
13:08of the Trump administration
13:09stipulates a board of peace.
13:12Will the EU have a seat
13:13at that table?
13:16If we talk about fair play,
13:21then we should have a seat
13:23in this peace board for sure,
13:25because, as I said,
13:26we are the biggest,
13:27not only donors,
13:28but the biggest payers.
13:30And we are the ones
13:31who are involved.
13:33And they are our neighbors.
13:35We are the closest neighbors.
13:36So I think that we should
13:38have a place in this board.
13:40Which basically means
13:41Trump hasn't said,
13:42sit over here.
13:44Let's see.
13:45Let's see.
13:46Let's see.
13:47This will happen.
13:48When talking about
13:49the reconstruction of Gaza,
13:50do you have an idea
13:51about the timeline,
13:52about the money
13:53that needs to be moved
13:56and invested,
13:57ballpark number?
13:58It was not by coincidence
14:00that Gulf countries
14:01are mentioned.
14:02So we need Arab countries,
14:04Gulf countries,
14:05to be on board.
14:06We need them to invest,
14:07and I'm sure
14:08that they will do it.
14:10Of course,
14:11we will also do our part,
14:14but Europe cannot do it alone,
14:15as I told you.
14:17And we are looking forward
14:19to this ceasefire to hold first.
14:22If this ceasefire holds,
14:23then we can talk about reconstruction.
14:26And I think that
14:27there will be a lot of money
14:29from different world money,
14:33financial institutions
14:35who will come on board.
14:37It's also about World Bank.
14:38It's about European Investment Bank.
14:40It's about EBRD.
14:41So all institutions
14:43should be on board.
14:44Now, all of this
14:45can only work
14:46if Israel and Hamas
14:49respect the ceasefire agreement
14:51that we just talked about.
14:53I think the most crucial point here
14:55is the disarmament of Hamas.
14:58Will Hamas render the weapons?
15:01Do you see this coming anytime soon?
15:04I cannot tell you
15:06whether this will happen or not,
15:08but I think that this should happen
15:10because without laying down
15:12the weapons from Hamas' side,
15:15I don't think that there will be a ceasefire.
15:18So I'm sure that the world
15:20should pressure not only us
15:22for the European Union,
15:23but also Americans should pressure
15:25Hamas to do it.
15:27Commissioner,
15:28you're also in charge of demography
15:30and I've looked at the description
15:33of your official mission
15:35and it says there
15:37that you're responsible for,
15:38and I quote,
15:39steering the implementation
15:40of the demography toolbox
15:43to help member states
15:44address their demographic challenges.
15:47So what is in your demographic toolbox?
15:51There is a lot.
15:53First,
15:53it's about women and families
15:56who should be in the labor market.
15:58When we talk about demography
15:59here in Europe,
16:00we talk from a competitive angle
16:02because we are not talking
16:04about birth race,
16:05mortality race,
16:06it's member state competence
16:07according to the treaty.
16:09But we have to,
16:11at this moment,
16:12there are 8 million European women
16:14who are not in the labor market
16:15because they have to take care
16:16about their kid
16:18or about their parent.
16:20So we want to have all women
16:22in the labor market.
16:23Second,
16:24we want to have all youngsters
16:26to be in the labor market,
16:27not anymore those
16:28not in education,
16:30not in employment,
16:33so-called needs.
16:34But the problem is
16:35that they have diploma,
16:37but their diploma
16:38don't match to the needs
16:40of the labor market.
16:43We have new jobs,
16:44digital jobs,
16:44artificial intelligence
16:47and green jobs.
16:48So they need to be adapted
16:50and this is the reason
16:51why we re-skill
16:52and up-skill them.
16:54Then there is a key problem
16:55which is,
16:56which is,
16:58if we retire too early,
17:00if we retire too early,
17:02we create brain drain.
17:03So this is also
17:04member state competence.
17:06You know what happened
17:06in France
17:07when they started changing
17:08this pension age,
17:10Gilets jaunes,
17:11from 62 to 64.
17:13But since we live longer,
17:15we live 10 years longer
17:16in last 50 years
17:18in Europe.
17:19We live 10 years longer
17:20so we have to work longer.
17:21This is not very opportune
17:23for a politician to say,
17:24but this is something
17:25which we have to adapt
17:27our life expectancy
17:30to the working age.
17:33And this is all our laws
17:35and our legislation
17:36is adapted only to 65,
17:3870,
17:39but not to 80,
17:4090,
17:40100,
17:41which is now the case.
17:42And when we use
17:43all these three women,
17:45youngsters,
17:46and those who don't go
17:48early to retirement,
17:50we still need people
17:51in European labor market.
17:53And then there is
17:54fourth pillar,
17:55which is legal migration.
17:57So human capital is precious
17:59and unfortunately
18:01we miss this human capital.
18:03We have a projection.
18:04If each and every
18:05European woman
18:07in the next five years
18:08who is in their productive age
18:11would have five kids,
18:13I don't know whether
18:13it's biologically possible,
18:14but in five years,
18:15five kids.
18:17If this happens,
18:18these kids will be ready
18:20for labor market
18:21in 20 to 25 years.
18:23In the meantime,
18:25China,
18:26India,
18:27our allies in America,
18:28they are booming
18:29and European competitiveness
18:31is being decreased.
18:33And this is the reason
18:34why we badly need
18:36people and human capital.
18:37On this population decline
18:40in the EU,
18:41what are the reasons
18:43and are there
18:44regional disparities?
18:46There are regional disparities,
18:48but the reasons are
18:49sociological,
18:51philosophical.
18:51there is no black and white reply.
18:57There are disparities,
18:59but there is no silver bullet
19:03to change this.
19:04So there should be
19:07a set of measures
19:08in order to change this.
19:10But as I told you,
19:11it can't be changed
19:13in a year or two.
19:16This is long-term objective
19:18of the European Union.
19:20We have to work on it.
19:22Disparities,
19:23for example,
19:23if you look at
19:24the Baltic states
19:25in Finland,
19:27they have the lowest
19:28birth rate at the moment.
19:29Although they are
19:30very rich,
19:32they have all standards.
19:33So it depends on women,
19:35depends on their...
19:37I cannot reply
19:39to this question
19:41in, as I said,
19:42in a white and black manner.
19:44I totally understand that.
19:47All right.
19:47Dubravka Suitsa,
19:48EU commissioner
19:49for the Mediterranean.
19:51Thank you so much
19:52for a great
19:52Europe conversation.
19:54Thank you for having me.
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