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00:00You have mentioned that real economics is not separate from real spirituality.
00:03How can you, sir, link, sir, spiritual things, nirvana and all that stuff with the materialistic things like economics, money,
00:10and now you're saying deforestation is wrong?
00:14Like, I cannot get your point.
00:16Say black is best.
00:17Black is best.
00:18Repeat black is best.
00:19Black is best.
00:20Black is best.
00:21Now, this is rupees one lakh. Please buy it.
00:24And you will buy.
00:25This is how economics get distorted when you don't have wisdom.
00:29When we, like, purchase jewellery, when we purchase things like that, like the black mug you are saying,
00:33we just see the benefits after that, like, we can sell it to those like us who purchased us.
00:38If you don't have wisdom, you will not know where to spend your money.
00:43You'll spend your money rather on the girl's dowry than on her education.
00:48There are many, two more black mugs that are selling even more, that is the idea of God
00:52and the people who think that they are gonna bring peace.
00:55Tell me the ROI, please.
00:56Please tell me.
00:57Please illuminate me.
00:58But you took the whole thing and gave to some God man.
01:01You'll be earning from the wrong source and spending at the wrong place.
01:06Want that kind of life?
01:07Good evening, sir.
01:08First of all.
01:09I am Tushar.
01:10First of all.
01:11First of all.
01:12First of all.
01:13I am Tushar.
01:14First of all.
01:15First of all.
01:16I am Tushar.
01:17First of all.
01:18I am a BT student from IIT Goa.
01:19Like, I was going through your book Truth Without Apology.
01:21And there is a chapter named Good Spirituality is Good Economics.
01:26Like, in the last line you have mentioned that real economics is not separate from real spirituality.
01:31Like, how can you, sir, link, sir, spiritual things, Nirvana and all that stuff with the materialistic things like economics, money, and now you are saying deforestation is wrong.
01:41Like, I cannot get your point.
01:44Good spirituality is good economics.
01:47Right?
01:48Yes, sir.
01:52Your favorite celebrity, favorite celebrity, we are black.
01:56Black, let's say.
01:58He is your favorite celebrity.
01:59Okay, sir.
02:01Right?
02:02And you are totally enchanted.
02:04Totally enchanted.
02:05He is a football player or a film actor or somebody.
02:10And he wears black.
02:11Yes, sir.
02:12And he has been continuously telling you that, you know, black is best.
02:21Black is best.
02:22That's the motto.
02:23Chant with me.
02:24Black is best.
02:25Black is best.
02:26Best.
02:27And you don't even know that he has been in this way continuously conditioning your mind.
02:33Right?
02:34Yes, sir.
02:35Say black is best.
02:36Black is best.
02:37Repeat black is best.
02:38Black is best.
02:39Black is best.
02:40So this is rupees one lakh.
02:42Please buy it.
02:45And you will buy.
02:47Because you do not know that you have been conditioned to believe that black is best.
02:51And you in no way know of its real value.
02:54Just because it is black, you will be ready to pay rupees one lakh for it.
02:59This is how economics get distorted when you don't have wisdom.
03:06When you say something carries a certain price.
03:10How do you know something is worth that price?
03:12Please tell me.
03:14So like.
03:15Black is best.
03:16Black is best.
03:17Yes, sir.
03:18Black is best.
03:19So this is rupees one lakh.
03:20Will this sell or not?
03:21This will sell.
03:23Hotcakes.
03:24This will sell.
03:25Now think of so many black mugs that we have been buying.
03:32Think of them.
03:34The foremost among them is jewelry.
03:36Does it really have any value when it comes to utility?
03:43Please tell me.
03:45The money that you pay must be commensurate to the practical utility of something.
03:53Why are you paying so much money for just a metal or a couple of metals?
04:00Why?
04:01Because you have been conditioned.
04:03And that's what happens to those who are not deeply spiritual.
04:07They can be very easily conditioned.
04:09And then they'll spend all their savings on these black mugs thinking that they actually deserve to be bought for rupees one lakh.
04:18That's why good spirituality is good economics.
04:21Okay.
04:23Though we are conditioned.
04:25Like when we purchase jewelry.
04:28When we purchase things like that.
04:30Like the black mug you were saying.
04:31We just see the benefits after that.
04:33Like we can sell it to those like us who purchase us.
04:37What if you are not at all interested in selling it ever?
04:42There are so many traditional, middle class women in this country who never buy jewelry for the...
04:50purpose of ever selling it.
04:53They say we are buying it, you know.
04:56You ask them the reason.
04:58They'll give some reason.
05:00Right?
05:01You take the line of questioning.
05:03A little ahead.
05:05And they might get annoyed because there is no real reason.
05:09And you are investing your entire life saving on something.
05:12Why are you investing your money on something?
05:14You know the reason why there are so many farmer suicides in India, especially in Maharashtra.
05:21There are multiple reasons obviously.
05:23One of the reasons is the poor farmer spends a lot on weddings and other kinds of traditional and religious observations.
05:35Be it a wedding or a funeral or anything else.
05:41And when he spends so much, he has to borrow from the local money lender at exorbitant rates.
05:47That compounds very quickly.
05:50And on top of that, if there is a bad summer or a failed monsoon, the farmer is often pushed to suicide.
06:03Along with other contributing factors obviously.
06:05You understand how badly we attach value to things.
06:13You understand how poor we are at evaluation.
06:17Something might be tremendously valuable, really valuable.
06:22But you'll not be prepared to spend even rupees 100 for it.
06:26He'll say, no, no, I don't want to take it.
06:28And something might just be gas, a hot air balloon.
06:31Empty vacuum.
06:37And you'll say, I'll put my entire life into obtaining this.
06:41That's what lack of wisdom or spiritual foundation does.
06:46Think of it.
06:49You are here and of course you'll have a functional placement office.
06:54And it happens in other IITs, I'm sure happens here as well.
06:57After admissions office, placement office is the real thing.
07:00All else is just time pass, right?
07:03The admissions office, JE is important.
07:07You will put a lot into it and then you start looking forward to the placement office.
07:11Which companies, what CTC, this, that, international placements.
07:15So money, what will you do with that money?
07:18Do you really know what to do with that money?
07:22Do you really know what to do with that money?
07:26And when you don't know what to do with that money, then the sellers celebrate.
07:31The market rejoices.
07:37They look at you.
07:39And they'll be elated.
07:41Here comes another one with a fat paid package and zero wisdom.
07:45He can be fooled.
07:47Sir, please come over.
07:48This one for rupees 1 lakh.
07:49This one for 10 lakh.
07:50This one for so much.
07:52And you can be fooled.
07:59The average Indian household
08:03spends much more on the girls dowry than on the girls education.
08:08This is where spirituality comes in.
08:10I'm talking of money here.
08:12If you don't have wisdom, you will not know where to spend your money.
08:18You'll spend your money rather on the girls dowry than on her education.
08:25Money is alright.
08:26Earning money is alright.
08:27But do you know where to spend it?
08:29And I'll correct myself.
08:32Not that earning money by any means is alright.
08:34Because even there we failed to do the complete calculation.
08:40One and a half hours of driving to the office.
08:43One and a half hours of driving back to your place in peak traffic hours.
08:49How do you put a number to that?
08:52How do you evaluate the cost of that?
08:55But you don't.
08:57Because wisdom is what is missing.
08:59And when wisdom is missing,
09:00then all your financial calculations also go awry.
09:05You'll simply say this is what I get from my job.
09:08You won't see what is the cost of being in that job.
09:15And here I'm talking of something very tangible.
09:18Time. Time that you can measure.
09:20Right? One and a half hours, one and a half hours.
09:22How about things that are not easily quantifiable?
09:25Like spirit.
09:28Like inner purity.
09:30What if your job
09:32saps away all of these?
09:34What if after three years in a company,
09:39you have turned shrewd, cunning?
09:41What if the job is of a nature that keeps terrifying you
09:45in the name of motivation?
09:49In the name of targets?
09:51And three years later you discover
09:54that you are a fearful individual.
09:57How do you put a price to that?
10:00Please tell me.
10:02How do you adjust that against your CTC?
10:03You will not be able to do even basic arithmetic if you don't have wisdom.
10:16I would like to, on a lighter note, I would like to differ with you on one thing.
10:21You said jewellery is the black mug that is selling most.
10:24There are many, two more black mugs that are selling even more.
10:27that is the idea of God and the people who think that they are going to bring peace.
10:33So, that's God house and you go there and you offer your life savings.
10:41Tell me the ROI please.
10:47Please tell me. Please illuminate me.
10:49But you are conditioned.
10:51You are indoctrinated.
10:53And you must have put in your sweat and your blood to earn every rupee of that.
11:00Huh?
11:02Or maybe you cheated on the job.
11:04Maybe you took bribes.
11:06I don't know how you got that money.
11:07But you took the whole thing and gave to some God man.
11:11Baba Ji, this is for you and for your ashram.
11:17If you don't have wisdom, this is what you will end up doing with your money.
11:21Or, now I have earned so much, let me go to Dubai and burn it.
11:27Even that is not fundamentally different from offering it to Baba Ji.
11:32Baba Ji, Sheikh Ji, same thing.
11:35Both offer you gratification.
11:38One offers gratification in the imaginary sense.
11:43Imagine that now you have reached heaven after your death.
11:46I have bought a heaven insurance for you. Here is your insurance.
11:50And the other offers sensual gratification.
11:52You go there and you look at the tall buildings and the massive malls.
11:58That's what you will do with your money.
12:01Or you will be gifting lavishly to your boyfriends or girlfriends, not knowing why really.
12:11You will be earning from the wrong source and spending at the wrong place.
12:24Want that kind of life?
12:26But you will be happy that you are earning.
12:28You will be earning from the wrong place and spending at an equally wrong place.
12:36But you will be proud that you are earning.
12:40What kind of life is that?
12:43And GDP will rise by the way.
12:46Because GDP does not factor in wisdom.
12:49As long as there is production and consumption, GDP rises.
12:52Even if only guns are being produced.
12:58And even if only bullets are being consumed.
13:03GDP will still rise.
13:07And you can put them on your CV.
13:09Last CTC, this much.
13:1140L, 80L, no number.
13:16Thank you sir. That was very illuminating.
13:18Illuminating.
13:19Now, there are many other students also who wanted to ask questions.
13:23So, I would like to invite Anwesa.
13:27But sir, things are happening simultaneously in our lives.
13:30So, so many things are happening all at once.
13:33So, how do we focus?
13:35You are one.
13:37You are the experiencer of the 40 things happening all at once.
13:41Look at yourself.
13:44Look at yourself.
13:46But sir, sometimes we don't have an answer within ourselves also.
13:49You don't need an answer.
13:51You just look without any desire for answers.
13:54Just see.
13:56There is no harm, right?
13:57What will you lose?
13:58You are just seeing.
14:00You are the one subject of those 40 things.
14:04Right?
14:06Look at yourself.
14:08Just passively look at yourself.
14:10Nothing more is needed.
14:12You don't have to evaluate yourself.
14:15You don't have to improve yourself.
14:18You don't have to refine yourself.
14:21There is no harm in just knowing what is going on.
14:24That's all that is needed.
14:26Sir.
14:28Sir, like the topic in which you were talking, I had a question regarding that.
14:33Like we are taught from the childhood that Aham Brahmasmi or I am the centre of the universe.
14:38You were also saying something around that.
14:40Like is it being egoistic or being spiritual?
14:41That's the highest Upanishadic statement that should never be taught to a kid.
14:49Right?
14:51Because the one who is teaching it to a kid, surely deserves some education in the first place.
14:59What do you mean by Aham Brahmasmi?
15:01Brahmasmi is not an object.
15:04How can you tell it to a kid?
15:07I am not talking in moral grounds.
15:10I am just saying that this is not 2 into 2 equals to 4 that you can spoon feed to someone.
15:16This is a very very deep truth that comes only to the loving self.
15:23Otherwise it is a very meaningless thing.
15:25Aham Brahmasmi, Prajnanam Brahmasmi, Aham Atma Brahmasmi, you can keep narrating all day, they mean nothing.
15:31Nothing at all.
15:37And there is a great harm.
15:40You tell it to a kid.
15:42And the kid starts thinking of herself as knowledgeable.
15:47I know the pinnacle of Vedanta.
15:50Aham Brahmasmi.
15:52Now how do you speak to the kid?
15:53The kid is already so knowledgeable.
16:01So actually I would like to question that the map of the truth is different from the truth.
16:07So how do we know that what we are observing is truth or the map of the truth?
16:12You need to observe only facts.
16:15Just keep this desire for truth aside.
16:18Truth is not something you can approach being who you are.
16:24So even the desire to come to the truth is a very egoistic desire.
16:31Keep it aside.
16:33Limit yourself to facts.
16:36And if you are totally sincere, brutally honest in acknowledging the outer and the inner fact,
16:42they say magically the truth descends.
16:43But the truth is not a concept, the truth is not a statement, the truth is not something you can hold in your hand.
16:57The truth is not something you can even aspire for.
17:00Right?
17:01So forget the truth.
17:02Just forget the truth.
17:03Care for the facts.
17:07Understood sir.
17:08Acknowledging the fact internally as well as externally, it requires authenticity within a person.
17:16Yes.
17:17And I have read from your previous books that we should be an authentic person as that leaves no room for fear and insecurity within us.
17:23Yes.
17:24But, sir, it's not always possible to be an authentic version of ourselves because it's sometimes not the best version or the most better thing of ourselves that can be because it might.
17:36How do you know?
17:38Sir, because I think a lot of us authentically we are, a lot of us I think we are kind people, very, I would say nice is a word I should refer to.
17:48Which might end, which might make us end up getting ourselves used by some people.
17:55No, that doesn't happen.
17:56No, no, no.
17:57I'm glad you asked this.
17:58What she's saying is, the authentic self is probably a nice self, a good one.
18:07And what I have observed in this world, correct me where I go wrong, what she's saying is what I have observed in the world is that good guys finish last.
18:18And the kind ones are exploited.
18:20Right?
18:21Yes, sir.
18:22So, she's saying there is a fear in being authentic or acting authentically.
18:29No.
18:30The authentic one can never be harmed.
18:33Mind it.
18:36The world will try to harm, but there would be nothing here that can be harmed.
18:41First of all, you must have something that can be taken away.
18:48I can be harmed only if, for example, you have given me this mic, right, you can take it away.
18:56And if I am very, very desirous of this mic, then I declare you have harmed me.
19:03Because I wanted this mic.
19:06It came from you.
19:07You took it away.
19:08And I'll say, oh, I have been harmed.
19:11The authentic person does not want anything coming from any external being.
19:19He can have a relationship, but he'll always be ready to leave.
19:23Therefore, who can harm him?
19:24You want this mic?
19:26It's anywhere yours.
19:27Take it away.
19:28I'm not harmed.
19:32You gave me some reputation.
19:35You gave me that reputation.
19:36Now you can take it away.
19:38One day you came to me and said, such a kind girl, such a sweet girl.
19:43And now you are saying such a bitch.
19:44That's fine.
19:46That's fine.
19:47It came from you.
19:48It went back to you.
19:50How am I harmed?
19:51How am I harmed?
19:53How am I harmed?
19:58But so when we are praised, when we are appreciated for how authentic we are, it instills a sense of happiness and...
20:05Happiness and dependency.
20:08Yes, so dependency.
20:09And then when that's taken away, we feel that we are...
20:12So then that's the trick.
20:14They will applaud for you and you will become dependent.
20:17And next time they will say, give us 40 rupees only, then we will applaud.
20:20Next time they will say 400.
20:23After that 4 million and you will become a slave.
20:27So don't give any value to who applauds for you or who doesn't.
20:33Don't get puffed up.
20:36Oh, gorgeous.
20:38No, no, no, no, no, no.
20:40You know what's going to happen next.
20:4240 rupees.
20:43It starts from there.
20:45If you can inflate me with your words, the corollary is that you can also deflate me, puncture me.
20:58Right?
21:00You said, sir, you are wonderful.
21:02And I took that.
21:04And next day you will say, sir, you are toxic.
21:08I'll have to take that as well.
21:11Because I have now needlessly become a beggar.
21:15Accepting my identity from you.
21:18Living authentically means living freely.
21:23Without dependence.
21:25External sense, we are all dependent.
21:27I depend on this chair to sit here.
21:28That is fine.
21:30Inwardly, you should be fiercely independent.
21:33Fiercely independent.
21:34Your inner self should not depend on anything or anybody.
21:38Externally, there are dependencies which are all meant.
21:43Yes.
21:45But, sir, like, if we are like our authentic selves, then like, you know, in many cases, the society, as I said earlier, as well, the society won't accept that we have to, like, we have to mask our inner selves using fake, like, we can't be our authentic selves.
22:01How do you apply to him?
22:04Using the answer I gave you, how do you reply to him?
22:06We have to become a coconut.
22:08If we are authentic enough, then I think these external factors shouldn't affect us.
22:12I mean, people will say things, society will say things, but I think we should remain unaffected.
22:19Good learner.
22:20But still, but still it hurts.
22:23But still it hurts.
22:25Like, it hurts.
22:27Hurt can happen only when there is an expectation.
22:32Have you noticed that?
22:33Only when there is an expectation, can there be hurt?
22:36You gave it to me, I took it for a practical reason.
22:41I never expected to take it home.
22:43Now you're asking it back.
22:45Why will I be hurt?
22:47I never expected this thing to truly belong to me.
22:51It came with time, it came from somewhere.
22:53I always knew it will go back.
22:55There was no expectation that this will permanently belong to me.
22:58Because there is no expectation, there will be no hurt.
23:00And this expectation that I am putting mildly, it is often deep vicious desire.
23:09And the more you desire from someone, the more power you give to that one to hurt you.
23:15Have you noticed that?
23:17The ones you deeply desire from, are the ones you give maximum power to.
23:25Now they can hurt you very, very badly.
23:27Why become a beggar?
23:28Why become a beggar?
23:30That does not mean that the relationship cannot have love.
23:34But love and desire are different things.
23:37Desire means I want something from you and I want to exploit.
23:42And love is about giving.
23:45Without expectation.
23:49Getting it.
23:53You will have to live with it for a while.
23:55And you will have to experiment with it.
23:58And then it will start showing itself more clear.
24:02Emotions go out of control often.
24:05All emotions are grounded in desire.
24:11Please try to observe that.
24:13There is always self-interest at the basis of all emotions.
24:17All emotions without exception.
24:21Sir, I was going to ask a question but it got answered I think.
24:25But you have to tell me whether I have understood it correctly or not.
24:28The idea that rose in my mind was how do you accumulate experience without accumulating desire?
24:33No, you have to pass through experience.
24:37You don't have to accumulate it.
24:39It's raining.
24:41It's raining.
24:43I have to reach here.
24:45I have to pass through experience without resisting it.
24:49But also without accumulating it.
24:51I don't want to resist the rain.
24:54The rain is wonderful.
24:56But I also don't want to accumulate the rain.
24:58Otherwise, I will be all like a pool here.
25:02So, experience is not to be resisted.
25:07If it comes your way, fine.
25:09You don't have to say, oh, I'm a good boy.
25:11I will avoid that kind of experience.
25:13No.
25:14You also don't have to rush after experience.
25:19That experience is so seductive.
25:20Let me go and have it.
25:22Don't rush after it.
25:23Don't avoid it.
25:25But also, most importantly,
25:28don't let it scar you.
25:30Don't let it leave an imprint on you.
25:33Pass through it without getting touched.
25:37Without getting modified in the process.
25:40Learn, but don't accumulate.
25:44Every experience should be an opportunity
25:48enabling you to look at yourself
25:50and thereby learning.
25:53Right?
25:54The more you look at yourself,
25:55the more you learn at yourself.
25:57So, experience, that's the value.
25:58That's the importance.
26:00This new experience taught me something about myself.
26:03But that does not mean I've accumulated something from this.
26:05Don't accumulate.
26:09Sir, like I agree with this.
26:11First of all, wait.
26:12Are we sure the audience
26:15and the panelists
26:16are all okay with sitting further?
26:18Otherwise,
26:19do I see a few anxious faces?
26:21We can stop.
26:24It's 920.
26:26The bus is here.
26:27They'll have to leave.
26:28I understand that.
26:30Last one.
26:31Can we take this?
26:32Okay.
26:33Sir, like I agree that expectations can harm us and lead to sadness.
26:37But if we like leave our wishes, desires and all those things,
26:41all that stuff,
26:42wouldn't life just lose its meaning?
26:44No, you don't have to leave anything.
26:45Why will you leave anything?
26:46On what basis?
26:48On what basis will you decide what to leave and what not to leave?
26:51The real person, the wise one does not accumulate anything and equally does not leave anything.
27:04You don't have to drop anything.
27:06That old model of spirituality involving renunciation is a very superficial one.
27:13Just as you don't have to gather something, equally you don't have to leave anything behind.
27:18Pass through it.
27:20Pass through it.
27:21You don't have to drop anything.
27:23What is to be dropped?
27:24Will drop on its own.
27:27Like yellow leaves
27:30from the tree.
27:31They drop on their own.
27:32You don't have to plan.
27:33You don't have to act.
27:35It happens.
27:40Done.
27:41Thank you so much.
27:42Hello everyone.
27:43My name is Sudeep.
27:44I am from Bangalore.
27:45And I am a software professional who works on artificial intelligence and have done so for the past decade.
28:05I am speaking to you because I am here at Bodhisthal for my first ever live session with Acharya Prashantji.
28:15I have been listening to these sessions online as part of Gita Samagam for almost two years now.
28:22And the last two years have been really life changing.
28:27I say that because before the two years I was successful in all sorts of measures of society.
28:35But there was always something in me that said there has to be something more.
28:40There is that I am missing something that I am not really feeling fulfilled with any of these things that I was putting so much effort into.
28:47It was only after joining Gita Samagam listening to the sessions that I got the clarity that was required to question myself.
28:58Because all of the lack of fulfillment that I was facing was because of a lot of beliefs that I had in my life.
29:09And it was only through these sessions that I was able to question them and then gain the courage to actually act upon looking at them closely and taking them out of my life.
29:21Today I am happy to say that I am a much more clear person with what I do.
29:27I have found the right path for myself so far and I hope to continue to do so.
29:34And I really do think if the whole world gets this clarity, everyone does well for themselves, I think this world itself is going to be a much better place.
29:45So I invite you to be part of Gita Samagam today.
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