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00:00Welcome to Real Talk, where it gets hot, spicy, and to the drama.
00:03On today's episode, Sarah Malinsky, your favorite villain from the Virgin's Bucket List,
00:08Dear Husband, Delete My Number, and more,
00:12shares her villain origin story and gets right to the drama.
00:16You don't want to miss out.
00:30Bara, oh my god, I'm so happy to have you here.
00:40Like, I've been dying to sit down and talk to you, girl.
00:42Thank you. I know. I mean, you and I have been meaning to get martinis anyway,
00:46so the fact that we're here, I'm just so excited to get into it.
00:49Yeah, I mean, I have so many interesting topics for you,
00:51but I'm always so interested in all of your roles.
00:54They're so different from what I'm used to.
00:57I want to jump right into that.
00:58Yeah, let's get it.
00:59I mean, you play a lot of villain roles.
01:01Yeah, I definitely play pretty much 100% villain roles right now.
01:09It's interesting, too, because I feel like before Verticals,
01:15I'd always get kind of like a cheerleader or a babysitter or someone.
01:21I was doing a lot more horror back then, but ever since Verticals started,
01:24I think it's just I kind of made a name for myself in the villain space specifically,
01:30and now everyone just kind of wants me to be their villain.
01:34I think that's so interesting because, you know, we had a couple guests here in Real Talk,
01:38and a lot of the common themes are, you know, embodying anger when you act and embodying those, like, dark emotions.
01:47Yeah.
01:47And you do it so well.
01:49I know.
01:50I think it's because I'm kind of, like, dark inside.
01:52So I am a person who is pretty susceptible to depression, I would say.
01:58I've come through a lot of personal issues, just as everybody does, you know, growing up and figuring life out.
02:07And I've always been able to kind of tap into that personally.
02:11And as cliche as it sounds, acting is, like, releasing.
02:19And you really do get to kind of let that anger out and let whatever you're going through out.
02:25And I feel like at this point in my life, I kind of don't feel those things I did when I was younger.
02:31But with the roles, they really do allow me to kind of just explode and vent almost, I would say.
02:40Yeah, because I would always wonder, like, what's your inspiration to embodying that and doing it so well and bringing it to set?
02:46Things that usually people are uncomfortable doing.
02:49You know, people are uncomfortable being, like, sometimes showing anger or showing villain things.
02:56And you are so great, but you are the sweetest person in person.
03:00So it's, like, I'm so curious to know.
03:02Like, what is it?
03:04You know, you said you embody that through, like, the feelings that you experience on a daily basis or, like, in general.
03:11And then you kind of bring those feelings, those dark feelings, and you bring light to them.
03:14Okay, so I feel like there's two things here.
03:18Humans were kind of programmed at this point by society to not show crazy emotions or intense emotions other than being kind of content and, like, chill and easygoing.
03:32So the roles I play are not that ever.
03:34As we all know, there's always something crazy going on.
03:37And a personality trait I'd say that I have is I'm definitely a fearless individual with my personality.
03:45A lot of people love me and a lot of people hate me and think I'm the most annoying person out there.
03:51So I definitely am pretty much always just honest with my expression as a person, as Sarah Molesky.
03:58So I definitely ramp that up when it comes to playing the villains because they're experiencing such intense things going on.
04:07And I already can tap into that just as a person.
04:11So it's not – I don't feel uncomfortable or nervous or scared to go down that path.
04:18Yeah.
04:18You make those feelings light even though they're heavy.
04:23I would say, like, what are some techniques and, like, your mindset when you go into those type of roles?
04:29Like you said, you already like going deep.
04:32You already love exploring those emotions that sometimes are scary to other people.
04:36But what are some mindsets and techniques to, like, really make you embody that?
04:41Okay.
04:42So biggest – number one of all of it, you have to know your lines.
04:47Even though that seems like, oh, yeah, like, whatever.
04:50No.
04:50If you just are casually –
04:53like, look at your lines the night before your shoot.
04:55I'm sorry, especially for the villain.
04:58You are the one who has the most emotion going on in the whole show, to be honest.
05:01And you have to have that down so well that you're not thinking about it.
05:06You can't think about, like, oh, what am I going to say right now?
05:08Because it's all emotion with the villain.
05:11So you have to be so on it with your text.
05:14That's, like, pre, pre, pre, pre-production for the actor almost.
05:19And then when you're on set, it's, like,
05:23kind of just being fearless with it.
05:24I don't really have a technique that I do to get into it.
05:29I kind of just – I don't know.
05:31It's, like, I can go to zero to 100, like, real quick, I guess.
05:35But it's also with these villains, it's not – I feel like some people might think,
05:41oh, they're just, like, mean and mad and yelling.
05:44But it's really not that.
05:45There's a lot of trauma with the villains.
05:48And a lot of it – most villains have – there's a whole book and layers to these people.
05:56They're not just mean and bitchy and being, like, yeah, I just don't like her.
06:01It's – there's so much – like, why do I not like her?
06:03Why am I so insecure?
06:05It's really, like, these people are more insecure than the lead girl, usually.
06:09So I say it's always – always be very prepared.
06:15And then – and then you get to play.
06:17And then you can explode or you can tone it down.
06:20And not – like, my biggest fear, oh, my gosh, I could throw up,
06:25is showing up on set and just, like, not knowing my lines.
06:30Like, that, to me, is mortifying.
06:33And I see it.
06:34I see it a lot.
06:35And I just have a very high standard for what I'm doing, whatever it is,
06:41so that at least I will always be professional in that regard.
06:45I find it interesting because it seems like in order to embody a villain
06:51or to play a good villain, just because of, you know,
06:54even your insights of how it requires the most emotion,
06:57you have to be very comfortable in your emotions.
07:00That seems like that's, like, the theme.
07:03In order to – you know, some people, like, I've asked multiple people on the show,
07:07what is the biggest emotion to display in your characters?
07:11And it's been a consistent theme of anger.
07:14And, you know, watching you even speak about the darkness of people
07:17and what creates a villain.
07:19And it seems like you're so comfortable in that world
07:22and so comfortable in those emotions.
07:24What's your favorite villain?
07:25Like, have you ever – is there, like, a villain that you inspired you
07:29or you're just like, you know, I get her, even though she seems so mean?
07:33Oh, yes.
07:36I get all of them.
07:38There's been maybe, like, two where I'm just like, she's just terrible.
07:41Like, there's no redeeming quality in there.
07:43She's just a demon.
07:46But there's so many that I've done.
07:49I don't even know the number at this point.
07:50But I guess because it's the most recent, but it really has been my favorite role I've played,
07:59was Alyssa in The Virgin's Bucket List.
08:02That was so fun to me because, one, I'm obsessed with, like, high school drama.
08:08Like, that whole setting.
08:09I just love that.
08:10I absolutely adore the cast.
08:12I actually was lucky enough to be the casting director on that,
08:15which doesn't mean I get roles handed to me.
08:18I audition.
08:19I have to audition for everything I'm in.
08:22And it seems funny, but the writers have to agree on it.
08:26The producers have to agree on it.
08:28The director has to agree on it.
08:29So it's not like I have a leg up in that area at all.
08:33If anything, sometimes it's more, like, awkward.
08:36But that villain to me was so fun.
08:40Oh, my gosh.
08:41Because she, if you guys go back and watch it, or if you haven't watched it,
08:44if you notice this, I speak in monologues.
08:48So that, when I got, when I was reading it, I was like, I really want this.
08:52And then I got it.
08:53And I was like, wait, this is the most insane role.
08:56It's, if you read the script, it is the biggest role in the script.
09:00And it's doing really well.
09:01I know, it's doing so well.
09:02I'm really proud of it.
09:04I speak in monologues, so I was really nervous about that.
09:06I would do prep on that show for, like, three weeks in advance,
09:11which is usually rare.
09:12These happen, you know, verticals are so quick.
09:15Like, you have to be really fast with it.
09:16Very fast-paced.
09:17Actors, you kind of, they're on set, so you have to memorize it day before.
09:21I did so much prep on that one.
09:23And I do feel like it's my best performance in a vertical.
09:27And that was my favorite one.
09:29And I just, the director and the producer really allowed me to not be over the top,
09:36which was really exciting to me because a lot of times, you know, soap operas,
09:40you want to have loud emotions and be kind of over the top.
09:44And I had been really yearning for a role that was kind of just a little subtle.
09:51Yeah, you want something different.
09:52Exactly.
09:53And so that was really, really special to me.
09:56And yeah, I just...
09:57What about on TV and film, other than a role that you've played?
10:01My favorite villain?
10:02Yeah.
10:03Someone that's inspired you.
10:05Rosamund Pike.
10:07She's, like, one of my favorite actors.
10:09I just re-watched Gone Girl the other night.
10:11That is my dream role.
10:15I was her for Halloween.
10:16I did the whole blood scene.
10:19Have you seen it?
10:20I haven't.
10:20Gone Girl?
10:21Okay, we have to watch it.
10:22There's this scene.
10:23Some of you all know what I'm talking about.
10:25It's, like, the best scene in the movie.
10:26She's all bloody.
10:27She has a bob, and she's in white underwear and a rod.
10:31It's just the best scene.
10:33That is my favorite type of villain because it's subtle.
10:37It's psychological.
10:38She's so insane.
10:40But so you still want her to win for some reason.
10:43So villains like that.
10:44Like a mental.
10:45Yes.
10:45More like a mental.
10:46Yes, exactly.
10:47To be honest, my favorite genre is horror and thriller, and I think that would be really
10:52exciting to start doing here.
10:54I hate horror.
10:56I hate horror.
10:57I don't understand.
10:59Why?
11:00I can't imagine paying to be scared.
11:03Oh, my gosh.
11:03It's so fun because it's, like, how?
11:06It's, okay.
11:07One, horror is my favorite genre because, one, all the shots are way more creative than any
11:13other genre.
11:13They're so beautiful and artistic.
11:15So that's just, like, looking at it.
11:17Two, it's just the acting is so good and real, unless you're watching, like, a comedy
11:23horror, which is also great in its own way.
11:26But they're just different.
11:29And I don't know.
11:31I've always been, like, a scream queen, horror girl.
11:34I'm obsessed.
11:35That's, like, my favorite, favorite stuff.
11:37I just hate being scared.
11:38I also don't really get scared of the movie because I know I'm watching it.
11:43If I get scared, then I'm like, oh, dang, this is a good movie.
11:47But you could do Gone Girl.
11:48It's not, you're not going to be like.
11:49I'm okay with the mental scary.
11:51Yeah.
11:51When it gets, like, really, really scary, I'm like, no.
11:54I mean, I didn't, I couldn't have a TV in my room for the longest because of the ring.
11:59Yeah.
11:59That's fair.
12:00That's also fair.
12:01I mean, yeah.
12:03When it comes to, like, you're, like, playing villain roles, would you say you have some
12:07villain traits or behaviors of your own?
12:10Yes, for sure.
12:12So, okay, I feel like the biggest misconception about actresses that are really iconic villains
12:19is that we're just terrible in real life and we're so mean and blah, blah, blah, which
12:23is not the case at all, usually.
12:27But, yes, I mean, I definitely have a big power behind my voice.
12:33I'm really direct from New York.
12:35East Coast.
12:36Yeah, East Coast.
12:37So, I think the way I speak could be considered villainy because I'm not soft-spoken in any
12:44way, shape, or form.
12:44I will tell you how it is.
12:46I will tell you how I feel.
12:47I'm not going to, like, placate people, really.
12:50Yeah, I mean, I can see that because, you know, sometimes I can be very bold and very
12:54stern.
12:56And for some reason, those characteristics when you speak are considered villain.
12:59But in reality, I think going back to what we were saying earlier, it's just being comfortable
13:04in your expression and being comfortable in what you feel.
13:08Well, I also feel like, I mean, we're in 2025, but, you know, women generally used to not
13:16be able to speak out.
13:17It's a little bit of a, oh, you're really not afraid.
13:21You are able to tell me that you are unhappy with the circumstances that you are in.
13:26And it's funny that that is still perceived as a villain characteristic rather than a
13:32Empowered.
13:34Yeah, right.
13:35But I think it is all in the way of the tone.
13:37And it's like, it's just a massive game of chess.
13:39I mean, me in my daily life, me as a human being outside of character work, if I'm really
13:45annoyed and unhappy with something I'm dealing with, I can't be how a villain would be and
13:50just be like, this is not okay.
13:52Like, why is this the circumstances?
13:53Why is there no toilet paper in the bathroom when I'm on a set or something?
13:58You have to know the game.
14:00It's a little politic.
14:01Like, you can't, because then you're just labeled as a B-I-T-C-H diva.
14:05You have to be like, hey, yeah, so like, I'm just noticing that like, this is not, you
14:09know.
14:10You have to find your perfect self-expression.
14:12Yeah.
14:13And I've also noticed, I don't know about recently, just with pop culture news and stuff,
14:17a lot of really A-list actors, actresses are coming out kind of talking about their experiences
14:24on sets the last 30 years of their career.
14:29Just how, even for these actresses who we think we look at them and we're like, oh, they
14:33must have it all, right?
14:34They get treated amazingly because they're so famous and everything.
14:37They also struggle with the same things that non-unions that struggle with, that other
14:42small, small actors do.
14:44So that, when I saw these videos, I was like, that makes me feel good and quite sad at the
14:49same time.
14:49Yeah.
14:50And I think that there's a lot of things that, you know, as women, we're still trying
14:54to just get balance on in the workplace, in dating.
14:57Beyond.
14:58But before we get to that, I really want to know, what's your villain origin story?
15:03Do you have one?
15:04Yeah.
15:05Of course I've got a villain.
15:06I mean, we all have one.
15:07We all have one.
15:08Like, what makes us tick?
15:09What makes us go on?
15:13Man, there's been, it's been so many years, right?
15:16So I would say for me, I grew up in a gorgeous area.
15:21I'm from East Hampton, New York.
15:23I didn't know that about you.
15:25Stunning.
15:25I knew you were from New York, but I didn't know you were from East Hampton.
15:28Yes, but it's not like that.
15:30Everybody thinks anyone from the Hamptons is like, oh, Gwyneth Paltrow's daughter.
15:33Like, we all wish, but not like that.
15:35So I grew up there and I'm an only child.
15:39And my parents, they're both Polish.
15:43We're not from the actual country.
15:46Like, they're American, but they're Polish.
15:48And they had a terrible marriage.
15:52They, like, they, it wasn't abusive or anything, but they, you know, slept in two different bedrooms the whole, my whole existence.
15:59And even at a young age, I've been Pisces, super observant and really, like, able to pick up on stuff.
16:07Very intuitive.
16:08Very much so.
16:09So even at age eight, I'm like, that's weird.
16:12Like, okay, no relationship, super weird.
16:16They kept the house, never got a divorce for, like, money reasons and just societal, I guess.
16:22And so I grew up very lonely in my house.
16:27Like, only child.
16:28Like, the parents were very concentrated on their jobs.
16:31And also, they, like, hated each other in a way.
16:36And so they had a lot of problems.
16:39So then that made, their concentration was on that.
16:42So from a young age, that's what I got into doing theater and really being the funny, funny kid.
16:49So I, my whole high school.
16:52Would you say that that was, like, your outlet, like, to express those emotions that?
16:56I kind of got actually forced into doing theater.
16:58I didn't even want to do it.
16:59I was a surfer girl and a skateboarder.
17:02Like, that was my thing.
17:02But thank God for it because it made me have structure because I would have had none.
17:09And so my personality type in high school and middle school and college, I was always the class clown.
17:15I would do anything for a laugh.
17:17If any of my friends watch this, they're going to be like, that girl.
17:19Like, I was almost psychotic with doing, like, hilarious things.
17:27Kind of almost illegal, like, really, really anything for a laugh.
17:33You know I'm a one-class clown, too.
17:34You did?
17:35Yes.
17:36No!
17:37We got two clowns here!
17:39I know you wouldn't expect it, but...
17:41Yeah, so you get the vibe.
17:42Yes.
17:43It feels good to make people laugh.
17:44It does.
17:45And so that was kind of my, I guess, villain origin story of feeling so lonely.
17:50I had so many amazing friends, amazing group of girls.
17:53Because I had no attention from my parents, and I also don't have relationship really with my family, even extended at all, except for one cousin, I just always felt the need to be, I guess, the center of attention.
18:10But not really, because I was insecure, but I wanted to make people laugh.
18:16And that's really what got me to where I am, kind of.
18:19So, in a way, I'm kind of grateful that I had to figure everything out on my own.
18:24Like, even though Mommy and Sadie are from East Hampton, like, I don't have help.
18:27Like, I never did.
18:28Yeah.
18:29So, that's probably, I think, what it is.
18:32I think you've made, like, such a positive kind of, like, experience and emotion from, like, such dark periods that you were going through.
18:39That now you can kind of really laugh at any dark emotion, things that people are not comfortable with, which is something that I've told you so many times that I admire you for that.
18:49Because a lot of people aren't comfortable, you know, exploring those dark sides and exploring that, and you'll make a joke out of it.
18:56You have to, you know.
18:58And I've always been like that, where it's even, like, extremely inappropriate.
19:02Like, I was such an inappropriate adolescent.
19:05Like, what's the most inappropriate thing you've done?
19:07Like, I know you said your jokes were, like, crazy.
19:10No, like, I can't even say it on this.
19:12Like, it's, like.
19:12I mean, but give us, like, a little tease or, like, a little something.
19:15Oh, my gosh.
19:16Oh, my gosh.
19:17We know Sarah's bad, but how bad.
19:19Okay, I'll tell you, like, a medium rare one.
19:22Okay, so, for example, in high school, I thought it was so funny to throw things, like, down the hallways.
19:29What type of things were you throwing?
19:31Literally.
19:31Literally, so I was always an art student classic.
19:35Like, I was terrible at math.
19:36Still can't add.
19:37Like, can't do it.
19:38And I was always in advanced placement photography and, like, BBS club and theater stuff, but terrible with academics.
19:46And so all my friends were in this bio class.
19:52And then I was in some, like, dumb photography thing.
19:55The teacher, like, wasn't even around.
19:56So I was, like, walking through the halls just being stupid.
20:01I don't know.
20:01And so I see, like, my friends in the class and the teacher's gone, and they're dissecting baby sharks.
20:07So I was, like, oh, my God, I'm going to steal one.
20:10So I got one of the sharks, threw it down the hallway.
20:14So that, because I, at that time, thought it was funny if, when the bell rings, all the kids are, like,
20:20Oh, there's a shark in the hallway.
20:21Oh, my God.
20:22And so I got in so much trouble.
20:25Oh, my God.
20:25Listen, out of all the things that I thought you could have been throwing around, I would have never guessed a baby shark.
20:31Baby shark.
20:31Yeah, so baby shark, East Hampton High School, hallway.
20:34Baby shark.
20:35Yeah, baby shark.
20:38Exactly.
20:39And then, like, I don't even know.
20:42We would always, I would always prank people.
20:44I'd put diapers on my friend's car.
20:46It's like, like, I was so annoying.
20:48I would also, like, become a character, like, a really offensive, disturbing character in front of my friends,
20:56just to make them laugh where we'd go get food or something.
20:59Like, it was just, I was unwell.
21:03I completely understand that, because that was, like, my way of, like, getting silly and funny and just having fun with my friends and getting away from things.
21:11I also feel like I was always really insecure, and I had a lot of self-hate growing up for a long time, even as an adult.
21:19And, again, I connected that to having no attention from the parents.
21:24So, you know, if you don't have love from your parents, then you don't feel like you deserve love.
21:30So dating was really hard for me.
21:32And then just accepting myself.
21:34So when I would make people laugh, I was like, oh, I'm the funny girl, because, like, no one will love me or like me.
21:40I'm not pretty.
21:41I can make people laugh, and that's, like, my thing, that no one can take away from me is my comedy.
21:47Yeah, and that you can make people feel good.
21:49I mean, this is a great time to just get into, like, some of your personal life.
21:53And I really want to know, like, what's different from that villain that you play and who you are in real life?
21:59Like, I know that you're a very sweet, loving girl, but I'm curious to know, like, what's different?
22:04How, how, what would you say, like, the villain Sarah is compared to, like, the real Sarah?
22:10Well, the villain.
22:11I like the deep breath.
22:12Yeah.
22:13I love the deep breath.
22:14Damn.
22:15So, I mean, the villains, like, no matter what, they're just more chaotic and mean, downright mean than I am.
22:24But I would say the similarities would be, in every villain, there's always a reason as to why they're like this.
22:31Yeah, you said that there was, like, layers on the list.
22:33Exactly.
22:33I love that because you're right.
22:35There's, like, this happened to me.
22:37This was my origin.
22:38But then this person did this, and then this person did this, and this just kept adding.
22:43And that's honestly the fun of if you are blessed enough to be able to have a little bit of time with your character that you're playing
22:52to build them and make them and mold them.
22:56Instead of just reading the lines and being like, I don't like you.
23:00Like, why am I saying that?
23:01What is behind that?
23:03Yeah, because emotions are layered.
23:05They're not just flat.
23:06It's not, I'm mad.
23:07You know, you can be mad and sad and happy at the same time.
23:09But it's like, why?
23:10Even, like, an asshole driving their car that sucks, what it has, like, there's something going on there.
23:15Something is going on, yeah.
23:16It's always something.
23:17So, I would say something that I draw from with my personal experience.
23:22Issues that I've had my whole life would be insecurity.
23:27And that's why a character that I'm playing is picking on someone because she's actually jealous of her.
23:33Because she's so beautiful on her own and doesn't have to try or gets attention naturally where I didn't.
23:39So, I bring a lot of the abandonment issues that I've struggled with.
23:43Like, my thematic chord would be that.
23:46How would you say that the villain in Sarah is different?
23:49Or, I know that it's easy for you to bring those emotions to your roles because you tap into those, like, experiences that you had from your past.
23:57You know, your parents not really getting, like, along.
24:01And then, you know, your childhood and experiencing that.
24:05But I want to know what's different.
24:06I would say what's different is the villains are more outward with their anger and mean to other people versus the Sarah trauma and villain would be, it's all about, it's the hatred is on me.
24:22And I'm mean to myself.
24:24I understand that.
24:25So, it's more, I'm mean to myself.
24:28I'm more self-hate.
24:30Yeah.
24:31That's been, like, my biggest struggle that I've, luckily, I've just kind of gotten through that.
24:36And I've gotten older and more confident and okay.
24:39But when I was a little younger, too, it was really hard where I would just, it would always be, and I think this is also Pisces.
24:47Like, we are so emotional and also, it's always, like, I'm so sorry I exist.
24:53Like, I'm not worthy.
24:55So, it would be that versus the villains I all play are more, like, sassy and powerful and are, like, this is you.
25:02Blah, blah, blah.
25:03Yeah.
25:03So, honestly, Pisces is one of my favorite signs.
25:06I'm not going to say my favorite.
25:07I was going to say, what's your sign?
25:09I'm an Aquarius.
25:10So, I'm right before you.
25:12And I always tell my friends that you have such a deep view of life.
25:17You're, like, an extra layer on top of Aquarius.
25:19So, if you think Aquarius, sometimes my friend's like, okay, like, I don't know how you have this capacity, you know, as an Aquarius to, like, get all this information.
25:28I'm like, if you think I have that capacity, wait until you meet a Pisces because it's through emotion.
25:33And it's so much.
25:34And it's so much.
25:35It's so heavy.
25:35And it's, like, going around, like, you know, even, you know, not getting into all the astrology, but, like, I think Pisces feel everything and feel everyone.
25:43Oh, yeah.
25:44And then, so, it's, like, it's very interesting to hear that even though you feel this, it's all going to be directed internally.
25:51Mm-hmm.
25:51Even though.
25:52Oh, all of it.
25:52And then when you act, it's, like, the only kind of time that you can, like, direct it outwardly and actually, like, really get into those feelings.
26:01I want to know, like, what made you get into acting?
26:04I know you were in theater.
26:05You were, like, an art A-plus student, art teacher, like, favorite.
26:11But what made you get into acting specifically?
26:14Do you think it has some correlation with your origin story and, you know, your past with your parents and your emotions?
26:21Well, like, an unsexy answer of that is I was in a theater program out in the Hamptons called Stages, thank God for it, from 8 to 18.
26:35And then that was, like, my adult, like, every day after school I would do that.
26:38And then I went to college in Manhattan and then was acting there.
26:42So it's kind of just been the thing that I'm doing where I'm, like, even when there was an area of my life where I felt like I wasn't really working that much, I was, like, I'm this far in.
26:52Like, I can't really do anything else.
26:54So it's just I've always done it.
26:58And then a more, I guess, psychological way of looking at it is I'm so outgoing and charismatic and, like, I have so much energy that it's just really easy for me to do, kind of.
27:13Not saying that I'm so amazing and everything's easy for me, but I don't have trouble, like, tapping in and just doing it and becoming another person.
27:23And I don't know if that's with experience and I've done it since I was 8 or this is just, like, what I'm meant to do almost.
27:31Yeah.
27:32I mean, what's your real-life personality like?
27:35Like, what are some of the things that you're passionate about?
27:36We know that you love acting.
27:38And we know that you're all over Instagram and social media with, like, all your hosting and you're such a great, lively person.
27:46But, like, what's your personality like?
27:47If someone was to just not know any of your roles, what are you like?
27:53So if I'm alone, I would say that I am quiet.
27:59Which is you would be, like, what?
28:01I would have never guessed, but I can...
28:03Listen, I love...
28:05Quiet.
28:06I'm just, like...
28:08Yeah.
28:09With a little turtle.
28:10Yeah.
28:11I definitely have a social battery meter, even though it seems I don't.
28:16Every job I'm on, everyone's like, I'll take what she's having.
28:20Or, like, hello, are you on something?
28:23I have...
28:24I get off to being around people.
28:27I do my best work with people.
28:29I'm really not great at...
28:31Even if it's for work and I have to, like, make my own TikTok or video, I don't love it.
28:35I want to be on a set.
28:37I want to be around people.
28:38I need it.
28:39Yes.
28:39I need it.
28:40But I also need to buy.
28:44No.
28:45It is shut down.
28:47I am the same way.
28:48I love being around energy.
28:50But as soon as I get home, I don't even want the microwave beeping.
28:54I don't even want a crack.
28:56I want pure silence.
28:58Yeah.
28:58No stimulation.
28:59None.
29:00None at all.
29:00Which is, like, the complete opposite because during the day, you're, like, the most...
29:05Yeah, exactly.
29:06And then when you get home, it's like...
29:08Uh-huh.
29:09I know.
29:10I cry a lot, too.
29:12I love that.
29:13I see.
29:13I want to come cry.
29:15Yeah.
29:15I cry all the time.
29:17Again, because I just feel a lot.
29:19Yeah.
29:19Um, but yeah, I honestly...
29:22It's so funny.
29:23I get this question a lot from fans and people, even, like, you know, with dating stuff.
29:30It's like, wow, you must be so fun, right?
29:32Like, you must do so much cool stuff.
29:34And I'm like, I am the most boring human.
29:37I have a really awesome job.
29:39So, like, the job thing, lockdown, it's great.
29:43But I like to be in the bed.
29:45I like to do a workout, and then I love to cook and just be in the bed.
29:51Yeah, comfy.
29:51That's kind of it.
29:53Yeah.
29:53It's like extroverted, introverted.
29:55Exactly.
29:55Once I get home, it's like, shut down all the lights.
29:58Uh-huh.
29:59Make it as quiet as possible.
30:01Yeah.
30:01Not stimulated, but some good food.
30:03Yeah.
30:03I'm not the best chef, but...
30:05So good.
30:05Good food.
30:06And I feel like because I'm, again, such a...
30:11I'm so extreme.
30:12So that's why it's either I'm your best friend and I'm collaborating, I'm doing every person's job, I'm like, whatever I can do to help, or I'm like, I will not speak to you and I need to be alone in that bed.
30:25Yeah.
30:26Yeah.
30:26I am that way, too.
30:27It's like either full, I won't accept half.
30:30Yeah.
30:30I know you've played so many roles.
30:33Like, what would...
30:33Is there one role in specific that you had the most fun shooting on set or anything that you recall from any of the roles that you want to share with the fans?
30:41There's always a fun, unique...
30:47I have never...
30:48I'll say this.
30:49I've never been on a real short set that I walk away from and I'm like, eh, yeah, okay.
30:55It's always a family.
30:57It's always really special.
30:58And to me, that is the most magical thing is when I build friendships on these sets that even this week, I'm texting them, hey, what are you doing?
31:08How's it going?
31:08Just checking in.
31:10And that, to me, is so special.
31:12So that is probably my biggest takeaway on a set.
31:16And I'm just such a collaborative person.
31:19So I really love that.
31:20And, yeah, I also really enjoy, even when things are going wrong, and shooting verticals, it's like we shoot so many scenes a day.
31:30And there's only so many hours that you can do that.
31:33And it's just fun, even when there's the drama of a production.
31:37It's like everyone puts their thinking cap on and everyone's like, each department is like, okay, go, go, go, go.
31:42And it's just something about that is so beautiful.
31:44And I'm just really blessed, and I feel lucky that I can just continue to work in this.
31:50Would you say, like, that handoff, like, just working together, everyone?
31:54I've been on set a couple times, and I see how, like, effortlessly everyone works together.
31:59Would you say that that's your favorite thing?
32:01Like, that's the most exciting thing about being on set?
32:04I think so.
32:04I've been on so many sets for so long.
32:07So, you know, even, like, getting your makeup done, like, that to me isn't really, like, the big thing.
32:13I don't get nervous in front of a camera.
32:15I don't even notice that they're there, so I don't feel any of that.
32:18It really is just, to me, like, I'm a boring person, so I'm hanging out with people on set.
32:25That's, like, my friendship time.
32:27Yeah.
32:27Even that might be sad.
32:28I don't know, but I feel like that's – I don't go out.
32:31I don't drink.
32:31I'm, like, kind of boring.
32:33So I like to use that time to socialize in a professional manner.
32:38And, of course, sometimes there is drama with some actors and, you know, there's going to be some stuff going on.
32:45But generally, it's usually just really a beautiful thing.
32:48You know, it's so beautiful to hear that when you're on set, you have all this collaboration and that you feel like you're in a family.
32:55How does that feel, you know, being an only child and having, you know, your childhood?
32:59I think that due to my upbringing, that is why I'm such a collaborative person.
33:08Like, I literally will do every job.
33:10And I feel like a lot of people that have worked with me can say this.
33:14I'm so hardworking where it's sometimes, like, a little bit toxic.
33:19Like, take a second.
33:20Workaholic.
33:21A bit, yes.
33:22And it's like, what am I escaping?
33:23Um, what am I avoiding?
33:26But it means so much to me that I have lifelong friends from sets that I worked on five years ago that are my best friends now that would be in my wedding.
33:36Yeah.
33:37And it's beautiful to create things with people.
33:40It's that.
33:41And it's like, you know, you can't choose the family you're put into, but you can choose who you surround yourself with every day.
33:49And it's cool to meet so many creative people.
33:52Like, we live here in Los Angeles, California right now.
33:55And L.A. is filled with the most creative people from each hometown.
33:59Everyone was like, I'm going to go there and do something.
34:01Go to L.A.
34:02So I'm going to be there.
34:03And I'm the most creative from here.
34:05I didn't stay in my hometown.
34:06Not that there's anything wrong with that.
34:08But everyone here is a bit eccentric or strange in a cool way, different.
34:12And it attracts that.
34:13Yeah.
34:14And so I, I just something about that I love.
34:17And the fact that I get to, I mean, I make money, a really good living playing.
34:25Yeah.
34:25Like, I'm literally going to work, being a different person and just having fun.
34:30And there's so many laughs.
34:32Everyone I work with, we're always cracking up.
34:34It's always a fun thing.
34:36And that's, it's a good life.
34:38Yeah.
34:38You know, I feel like it's a good life.
34:40It's fulfilling and then to be around people that you, that you connect with and that you
34:44feel like family and that you're creating like a common goal together.
34:47I think that's very, very, very, very inspiring.
34:51And I love that.
34:52I also, I've realized this, I really have a hard time being alone.
34:57I, I don't live alone.
34:59I have roommates and I don't think I could live alone.
35:03I'm not that person.
35:04Like, I think I would have a panic attack.
35:06This is when I take a deep breath because me, I'm the most comfortable alone.
35:11Uh-huh.
35:12I sometimes miss myself when I spend so much time with people.
35:16Uh-huh.
35:17Where I'm like.
35:17Oh, that's beautiful, actually.
35:18I need to go be with myself.
35:21So, I mean, I, so a lot of the things that you're saying are resonating very deeply with
35:26me.
35:26Yeah.
35:26But so opposite.
35:28Yeah.
35:28If that makes sense.
35:29Mm-hmm.
35:30So you, you don't like like spending time, like just you and you?
35:34Like, I love closing the door.
35:37Mm-hmm.
35:38I love working out by myself or doing something like an activity, but I'd say like 80, 20 kind
35:46of thing.
35:47Uh, no, I, I'm so scared of like the world and I want to be around a human at all times
35:55kind of.
35:55I understand for like comfort.
35:56Yeah.
35:57Yeah.
35:57And then with me, it's like, I'm so scared of the world that I want to be with myself
36:01at all times.
36:02Everyone else, yeah, I get, I also do get that, but yeah, I'm kind of, even at my house,
36:07um, if my roommate, she's a special effects makeup artist, so she's on set all the time.
36:12If she's not there and I'm sleeping alone at my house, I'll be like, oh, okay.
36:21A little uncomfortable.
36:23So I, yeah.
36:24Yeah.
36:24I completely understand that feeling.
36:26I know, but I know you're an internet personality.
36:30You're not only like our favorite villain.
36:33Yeah.
36:33But you're also an internet personality.
36:35So you must get the craziest engagement and interactions online.
36:40Oh man.
36:41You know what is so funny?
36:43Um, actually, so going to talk about like the fan engagement and stuff.
36:48Um, I was on a show before I started doing verticals and I was a villain on that too.
36:53I would get the meanest messages.
36:55Like it was like vile and it would just be like, I can't even say this stuff, but like
37:01really scary, really, really mean because they thought it was real.
37:06And so I would only get hate messages.
37:09But I guess that's a good thing.
37:10Cause that means like your acting is so good.
37:11I know, but then it's like, these people are like hating me.
37:15So I, it's funny, as long as I've had social media, I've never gotten like a guy reaching
37:23out or being like, oh, like you're really hot or anything.
37:26Or like a thirst trap DM thing.
37:29I've only ever gotten hate messages, like the worst kind you could think of or amazing,
37:35loving messages from fans.
37:37And so since the verticals though, I never get messages from fans that are as, are mean
37:44at all.
37:45It's always like, oh my gosh, you're such a fun character to watch.
37:48We want to see you play the lead.
37:50We want to see you get the guy.
37:51We want to see more of you.
37:52Like, why are there not enough scenes of you?
37:54Like what shows next?
37:56And there's so many too.
37:59And there's fan accounts making like edits of me and it's, it's really nice.
38:03And I am the type, um, so I'm not always on Instagram.
38:07Like I'm, I'm pretty good about stepping away from it.
38:10Um, but when I do, I answer everybody like a thousand percent.
38:14I will text you back.
38:15I'm not famous enough to.
38:17I mean, you, you have a huge following.
38:20Yeah.
38:20It's a huge following.
38:21Well, hopefully Tik TOK doesn't get taken down because that's where I have like 600 and
38:26whatever K.
38:27Oh, I haven't even gone on your Tik TOK.
38:29I think on Instagram, you're like almost at a hundred K.
38:31Almost.
38:32And then on Tik TOK, you're 600 and the 600 more than half a million.
38:36Yeah.
38:37But it's like, darn it.
38:39I know.
38:40I know.
38:40I'm like, whatever.
38:44I don't even care.
38:45But yeah.
38:46So I would say I want to ask you one last question before we move on to something a
38:51little bit more spicy.
38:53Um, I want to know how has real short or just acting overall impacted your life?
38:59Oh, Nellie.
39:05So acting has just been my life forever, basically.
39:11And I love it.
39:13It's always been something that I'm like, I feel like human beings do well when you're
39:17trying to achieve something, right?
39:19You have a goal.
39:20So I've always been exactly like, you can't just be like, even as nice as it would be
39:26right to just be like Paris Hilton and rich and just be like, I can do whatever I want.
39:30It's still like, you need something to like ground you and like work towards or else it's
39:34like, what is the point?
39:36Yeah.
39:37Um, I would say that acting, I've just been doing it for so long.
39:40So it's affected my life in the sense that I've always had a purpose, right?
39:43I've always had goals.
39:44I've always had something to keep me trying in life to not just be doing nothing on a
39:51street.
39:51Yeah.
39:52Like a purpose or like a mission or like some type of ambition to keep you pushing forward.
39:56Yeah, definitely.
39:57And then transitioning to talking about how real short has affected my life.
40:01I've been working with real short for a solid year and I am so grateful with everything.
40:10I feel like I've seen real short grow also from where it was to where it is now.
40:16And it's, it's incredible.
40:17And I do feel like as an actor who has been working with them, I've also grown with them
40:24in a sense and out of every production, it's the best, you know, I think it's so interesting,
40:33everything you've done.
40:34I mean, even how comfortable you are with your emotions, how you're able to embody these
40:38feelings that normally people wouldn't be able to embody and then be able to push it through
40:44in a creation.
40:46I think that's so amazing.
40:49How has all of this impacted you?
40:52Man, what a question, right?
40:56I would say that all of my, my life up until this point of all the productions I've done,
41:03all the shows, all the acting, all the roles has helped me just feel alive in a way.
41:13I love, give me the tissues, where's the tissues?
41:16It's true.
41:18It's like, I, I also, I really do have so much fun with it.
41:23And especially with verticals now in this space, a lot of people hate on them.
41:29And a lot of people are like, oh my God, it's such bad acting.
41:32And like, it's so cheesy.
41:33It's not sticking around.
41:35Okay.
41:36Just wait.
41:37Yes.
41:38I have so much fun on these sets.
41:39It's helped my career in so many ways.
41:42I get offers all over the world to fly me, to star in this, star in that, to cast this,
41:49cast that, use my face, use my image.
41:52Like, and I'm even at the point now where I'm like, I don't even know how to handle all
41:55this.
41:55Like, like I need a little bit of help almost.
41:58Yeah.
41:59And I would say, especially with my roles on, in real short productions, I mean, I have
42:05so many more fans now that are engaging with me and it's just, it's giving me, oh, like,
42:12like a reason, you know, purpose.
42:15And it does make me feel like I'm on the right track.
42:19It's like, life is so hard.
42:20Yeah.
42:21It is so hard.
42:22I mean, your first answer, it makes you feel alive was already sufficient because if you're
42:29doing something that makes you feel alive, that you're stepping into set and not only do
42:33you feel alive, but you, the people that you feel alive with feel like family, that's
42:37where you need to be.
42:38It's also, I feel like because I have such a beautiful job that allows me to have so much
42:45fun, that makes me a better human.
42:48Yeah.
42:48In a relationship.
42:49If I were to have a family one day, like whatever it is, it just makes me feel like I'm
42:55watering myself so that I can be watering others as well.
42:59Because if you hate your life, you hate your job, you hate all this stuff.
43:02If you don't feel anything, then you're going to be miserable.
43:06It's like what you said earlier about the guy honking the horn and yelling in the street.
43:10Everything is in layers.
43:11And the first layer is your self-happiness and feeling surrounded by that.
43:16So I think that's the reason why you're so comfortable in expressing all the darkness
43:21because you're so comfortable in what you feel yourself.
43:24And I'm also like, whatever.
43:27Yeah.
43:27I don't know.
43:27It's kind of like, it's almost like a little boring to just be like, yeah, like, it's just
43:35like, this is how I am.
43:36This is all my shit.
43:38Whatever.
43:39It is what it is.
43:40Hate it or love it.
43:41It doesn't matter either way.
43:43And you can't please everybody.
43:45Sometimes it's just good to let loose.
43:47Yeah.
43:48And get to that exploration.
43:49Like you said, get uncomfortable and make others uncomfortable and then get comfort
43:54through that uncomfortness.
43:56Okay.
43:57Now we're going to move on to would you rather?
43:59Yes.
44:02So, you know, we love to play games here at Real Talk.
44:05Oh, I know.
44:06And I have the funnest game to play with you.
44:10I want to take a quick look at some of like questions from the Virgin's bucket list.
44:14Okay.
44:15And see what would you rather?
44:17Oh.
44:17Okay, okay.
44:20These are spicy.
44:21Oh, sure.
44:22Okay.
44:26Make out with your boyfriend in front of the entire school or run around naked for everyone
44:30else.
44:31A thousand percent make out with my boyfriend in front of the school.
44:33Not naked?
44:35God, no.
44:36I can't even be in like a bathing suit comfortable.
44:40Uneven eyebrows or be a pick me girl.
44:43That's uneven eyebrows.
44:45Being a pick me girl is so embarrassing.
44:47No!
44:49Oh.
44:50Have sundae thrown out your face or have spaghetti thrown in your face?
44:53Since I have had spaghetti thrown out my face, I would rather the ice cream because the
44:59spaghetti hurt.
45:00So yeah, sundae.
45:06Find a boyfriend at the gym or find a boyfriend at the party?
45:10At the party.
45:12Why?
45:13I don't like muscly guys.
45:14Like I want like an emaciated rat that is like looks like a vampire sucked out all his
45:22blood.
45:23Okay, would you rather be hit in a face with the football or fall in the pool?
45:28Fall in the pool.
45:35Yeah, that's easy.
45:36A thousand percent.
45:36Yeah, hit in the face.
45:37Like that could break your nose.
45:39The pool is just cute.
45:41Have two guys fight over you or have a secret relationship?
45:45Have a secret relationship.
45:47Everyone has to be in a secret relationship.
45:49You never know who's actually dating.
45:51Be a villain who loves chaos or be a villain who has a deep tragic backstory?
45:56Probably loves chaos.
45:57It's more fun.
45:59Hey, if I'm not mistaken, you had the nerve to talk to Wayne Adams in class today.
46:04So if I were you, I would go to the bathroom and see what you actually look like because
46:09you probably scared him half to death.
46:11Yeah, I see that.
46:13Date a football star or date a nerd?
46:15I mean, I know this.
46:17Nerd.
46:18I want the valedictorian, the nerd.
46:21A thousand percent nerd.
46:22There's so much more I want to learn about you and I definitely want us to get a little
46:25bit more deeper into the types and what we like, but let's leave some for next time.
46:31Perfect.
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