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00:00I got expelled from law school.
00:07Fucking what?
00:08Cheated on paper.
00:09Randolph Sr. got himself run over by a train on purpose
00:13so his son could collect the insurance.
00:16Jesus, daddy.
00:17I'm calling the doctor.
00:18There's a check I'm trying to track down from one of your cases.
00:21So what do we do?
00:22Everything we can to get Sled to reopen the case.
00:26It's okay, they're dead, man.
00:28I know I've hurt you.
00:29How you're ever going to forgive me for it, I do not know.
00:31You think that maybe daddy's ready to try to?
00:34We cannot fix him.
00:36That family's got no shortage of making people hopping mad.
00:40God damn it, boss!
00:41They can tell her out of here!
00:42Y'all murder, I'll stick y'all above the law.
00:43Is that it?
00:44They need to pay.
00:44My boy was admitted to using a boat wreck
00:46over my wallet a month's back.
00:48I know that that's what this is.
00:49Hey, baby, I got your eczema prescription refilled.
01:00Had them send it to Brooklyn's house.
01:02Hope it helps.
01:03Give me a call when you can.
01:05Love you.
01:06I got a work event tomorrow.
01:13I got bright red hair, and I was holding a giant bunch of balloons.
01:24She thought I was Ronald McDonald.
01:25No, she did not.
01:27Yes, she did.
01:28You know what?
01:28Maybe I should be.
01:29Hmm?
01:30Kids parties.
01:32Probably decent pay.
01:33A lot better than a desk job, huh?
01:35Yeah.
01:44Have you checked your phone?
01:46No.
01:47Why?
01:47Because your dad is texting the group chat like a hundred times
01:50trying to get a hold of you.
01:51About what?
01:52I don't know, but he says it's an emergency.
02:03Boss, sir?
02:03Dad, hey.
02:05What's going on?
02:06Boss, you sitting down.
02:08Yeah?
02:08Your mom and Bob.
02:09Oh, boy, they've been shot.
02:11Dad, that's not funny.
02:13What are you talking about?
02:14They're gone.
02:15They're gone, boss.
02:16They're gone.
02:19Boss, sir?
02:20Bro, come with you.
02:21Yeah, I need you to get out.
02:22You're OK?
02:23As soon as you can.
02:25Can you hear me?
02:39Deceased female.
02:42Several shell casings scattered in front of the head.
02:44My father's looking at that.
02:45Get the mop off the ground, please.
02:47Is there any way we could expedite?
02:48Yeah.
02:49Oh, we're doing everything.
02:49I appreciate it.
02:51Thanks.
02:51Agent David Owen.
03:02Yes, ma'am.
03:02Detective Laura Rutland, Colleton County.
03:05Captain Chapman said you'd be my sled liaison tonight.
03:08I thought we were in Hampton.
03:10No, sir.
03:11County lines are just a few miles back.
03:13Phyllis.
03:14Dead chicken?
03:15It's still warm.
03:20It's crazy, man.
03:22I bet that bird's got a story.
03:26Hey, back this up.
03:28Have y'all recovered the cell phones yet?
03:30Yeah, I got the sounds, but it's locked.
03:32I can't find the moms.
03:32That right there, that's the husband and the father, right?
03:38He's the one who called it in.
03:40Oh, you don't know Alec?
03:41I grew up in Somerville.
03:43Only vaguely familiar with the Murdoch name.
03:46So my captain made me lead.
03:48Let's go get a quaint.
03:49So what made you come back up here tonight?
04:01My mom's a late-stage Alzheimer's patient.
04:04My dad's in the hospital.
04:07My mom gets anxious.
04:09When she does, I went to check on them.
04:12When I got back to the house, obviously nobody was there.
04:17And Maggie's a dog lover.
04:18She fools with the dogs.
04:20And I knew she'd gone to the kennels.
04:23I figured they're still up there fooling around.
04:26So I came back up here.
04:28I drove up and saw and called.
04:32So you didn't go to the kennels before then?
04:35No, sir.
04:36Like I said, after dinner,
04:39I went and took a lay down on the couch.
04:41Fell asleep in only 20, 25 minutes or so.
04:46I woke up.
04:48Nobody was there.
04:49I called Maggie.
04:50No answer.
04:52And I left.
04:54So what time is that?
04:55Sure would have been.
04:57You know, just after 9.
05:00I got it right here.
05:02It was, let's see.
05:05It was,
05:05it was over there, right there.
05:08There is, it's, it's 9.08.
05:10It's all right.
05:11We'll get a download of your phone.
05:12Whatever you need.
05:14What was your relationship with Maggie like?
05:18I mean, we had our,
05:20I'm sure we had our things,
05:22but a wonderful marriage,
05:24a wonderful relationship.
05:25And yours and Paul's relationship?
05:28As good as it could possibly be.
05:33Any problems with trespassers or people breaking out?
05:36None that I know of.
05:38I mean,
05:38the one thing that comes to mind is my son Paul was in a boat wreck a couple of years back.
05:42He was named as the driver.
05:44You know,
05:45there's been a lot of,
05:46you know,
05:46negative publicity,
05:47a lot of vile stuff online.
05:51Nothing like this.
06:03They did him so bad.
06:04If it wasn't me,
06:23dad!
06:23Dad!
06:24Dad!
06:24That's my dad.
06:26Usher boy, come here.
06:28Oh Fuck.
06:29No, no,
06:30no, come here.
06:34Come on, buddy, come on.
06:37Oh, buddy, I need you.
06:39Come here.
06:41I know you believe this.
06:43This is so funny, didn't it?
06:44Come on, let's go, come on.
06:48I got you. Come on, son.
06:55He needs to get rest. He's been up all night.
06:58Okay, don't you do it.
07:01Yeah, and so have you.
07:02Have you eaten anything? Do you need to lie down?
07:04No, I'm all right.
07:06You seen Uncle Randy?
07:07He's supposed to be figuring out about police protection.
07:10Dad?
07:12You're sweet.
07:17You talk to Slit?
07:19Yeah, they're spread a little thin with the investigation,
07:21but Hampton Sheriff's gonna sign a few off-duty cops.
07:27Took them long enough.
07:30Do they have any leads on suspects?
07:32Oh, not yet.
07:33Definitely, I think it's targeted, though.
07:36Oh, shit.
07:37Great police work.
07:40Thanks, Hillary.
07:44I'll head straight there.
07:45No, we can't on you.
07:47Now, hang on.
07:47We'll just put the same...
07:48Hey.
07:49You're welcome.
07:49You're welcome.
07:50I'll start.
07:59It's okay.
08:04Poor sweet boy.
08:08You, uh...
08:09You had the moselle?
08:10Your daddy wants me to go straighten up the house, like your mama would've wanted it.
08:16Okay.
08:19While you're, uh, while you're there, um, Roger Davis, he's gonna take care of the dogs.
08:23I said, do you mind, uh, looking after Bubba until we get everything sorted.
08:27He's, uh, I've never been away from Mom.
08:34Don't you worry about a thing.
08:35I'm gonna take the best care of him.
08:37I'm gonna take the best care of him.
08:38I'm gonna take the best care of him.
08:39Come here, baby.
08:44I'll see you later.
08:51Mr. Bo, I gotta head up just for a bit.
08:54Where you going?
08:56To the hospital.
08:59Somebody's got to tell Daddy.
09:00Oh, I can go, Alec.
09:02Thanks, Randy, but I think I should be the one to do it.
09:04And I'll go with you.
09:07Huh?
09:13Hold me close, Bo.
09:16All right.
09:37Sweet.
09:38That hay feeling.
09:41Like dog shit.
09:45My granddad had the right idea, didn't he?
09:50Driving up there on those train tracks.
09:52The world won't go hard against you.
10:03It'll try to take you out.
10:08God damn it, you'll do it on your own terms.
10:11Granddaddy, we, um, we got some bad news.
10:30Meg and Pawpaw are gone, Daddy.
10:35They're what?
10:38Dead.
10:38Somebody shot him out at the house.
10:47Daddy, did you hear me?
10:48I heard you, God damn it.
10:55How did you go?
10:58And Pawpaw.
10:59Who, who, who, who did this to us?
11:03We don't know, Daddy.
11:04We think it might have something to do with Pawpaw's boat wreck.
11:07They're out there searching for him now.
11:11They're dead?
11:14Oh, Lord.
11:20What has become of this family?
11:23SLED is now investigating a double homicide involving a mother and son from the well-known Murdoff family.
11:42Yep, I'm working something up right now, I'm going to post it to ASAP, and we'll get going on the podcast also.
11:50Will do.
11:51Robin, this is where the murder happened.
11:52The Murdoff property is remote.
11:55It spans hundreds of acres, and the feeling in the community, whoever killed the Murdoffs didn't end up here by accident or granted them.
12:03There we go, good enough.
12:18Pro gate shotgun here.
12:30In here.
12:31300 blackout from here to here, steps around to her here, then feels like that's it.
12:50Two guns, probably two shooters.
12:53Maybe two shooters.
12:55No signs of either of the murdering weapons.
12:58Not so far.
12:59Nothing suspicious from the neighbors.
13:01No burglaries or break-ins.
13:03They have neighbors?
13:04What is this place?
13:05Like 17,000 acres?
13:08It's a spread.
13:11No one heard or saw anything unusual.
13:17Did you follow the boat crash story when it all went down?
13:20Vaguely.
13:21Vaguely.
13:22Having small children who don't sleep makes it kind of hard to keep up with all the things.
13:27Think it had something to do with this?
13:29Well, it was a huge deal.
13:30It could be someone from the girl's family, one of her friends.
13:35And then you got the Stephen Smith kid who was killed years back, who the older son was tied to.
13:40Maybe someone connected to him, the housekeeper who died.
13:43So, no shortage of suspects, huh?
13:46So, no shortage of suspects, huh?
13:51What about Alec?
13:53First on the scene, he's the husband and the father.
13:56I mean, I get it.
13:57You got kids, I got kids.
14:00I mean, could you imagine as a parent doing that to your child?
14:03I did manage to find Maggie's phone out on the road there.
14:13Alec's brother and find my friend's app did us a solid.
14:15Need to get her passcode to unlock it.
14:17Paul's, too.
14:19He'll tell us a lot.
14:19You saw the whole thing, didn't you?
14:41Well, you just need to find us somebody who speaks dog.
14:43Isn't that right?
14:45Yeah.
15:13Details are limited at this time, but what we do know
15:41is the two were found Monday evening at a home
15:44along the 4,100 block of Macelle Road.
15:46The victims in this case are 52-year-old Margaret Murda
15:50and her 22-year-old son, Paul Murda.
15:52Both deaths resulting from apparent gunshot wounds.
15:55If you remember, the Murdaugs came under intense scrutiny back in 2019.
15:59That's when Paul, who was 19 years old at the time,
16:02was charged in connection to the death of 19-year-old Mallory Beach.
16:05Can I ask, how much longer is this going to take?
16:12Alec's father is at home in hospice care right now.
16:15Sorry to hear that.
16:17As soon as we finish downloading his phone,
16:18it shouldn't be too much longer.
16:19What is it exactly that y'all are looking for on there?
16:21It's evidence.
16:23You know, it's a standing operating procedure.
16:26Correct.
16:26Call logs, messages, any data that'll help us piece together a timeline,
16:30any relevant evidence.
16:32That's it.
16:32Thank you for helping unlock Maggie's phone, by the way.
16:36Paul's has proven to be more difficult.
16:38Y'all wouldn't know his passcode, would you?
16:40No, I don't know.
16:42Knowing Paul is something simple.
16:431-1-1-1, start there.
16:45Y'all can't unlock a phone,
16:46but you're willing to announce that there are no threats to the public.
16:48What?
16:50What?
16:52Whoever did this is still out there, all right?
16:54They could be coming for us next.
16:55My mom and brother are dead,
16:56so excuse me for wanting some goddamn answers as to what's going on.
16:59Son, we're doing the best we can.
17:01We are, but we understand the frustration and the questions.
17:08Alec, Mark Tinsley's on the phone.
17:10Our hearing date was supposed to be today.
17:19Hey, Bo.
17:20I'm so unbelievably sorry to you and Buster, Alec.
17:27Yeah, it's a very sad thing.
17:29It's just senseless.
17:31How somebody could do that.
17:33Yeah, hard to fathom.
17:34I want you to know, I talked to the beaches.
17:37We all agree we're dropping the civil suit over the boat crash.
17:41Really, Mark?
17:47Oh, gosh, I can't...
17:49I'll let Judge Hall know as well.
17:51It wouldn't be right after all this happened.
17:53Mark, I can't tell you what a relief it is to hear that.
17:56I mean, all of that on top of this,
17:58and with Daddy being so sick,
17:59I'm already broken clean in half.
18:01I can only imagine.
18:04Well, they'll find whoever did this,
18:06get Maggie and Paul some justice,
18:09and I'll be praying for you and Buster.
18:13Yeah, we'll take all the prayers we can get.
18:16Okay.
18:18You know, and thank the Beatrice, too.
18:23We're offering condolences
18:24and dropping the civil suit.
18:27Is that right?
18:27He's got some decency, after all.
18:33Yeah.
18:33You all done yet?
18:35We should head on back to Almeida.
18:36Uh, yeah, just about.
18:43What's wrong?
18:45Daddy's gone.
18:57Mama,
19:22the ceremony's about to start.
19:25Oh, what about your father?
19:28Is he joining us?
19:30Daddy passed yesterday, Mama.
19:32Oh, don't be silly.
19:33I just had breakfast with him this morning.
19:36He left for Buford.
19:37Big murder trial he's working.
19:39No.
19:40Mama, Daddy died.
19:42How can you say such a thing?
19:44Daddy, I...
19:45She needs to understand us.
19:47Yeah, she will.
19:47All right, I got it.
19:48I got it.
19:49Go on, Grandma.
19:50Go ahead, Miss Libby.
19:52I'd make it be a small thing.
19:54Shelly,
19:59the cops were asking me,
20:01I mean,
20:02how long do you reckon I was with you and Mama that night?
20:10Yeah.
20:11It was about 45 minutes, wasn't it?
20:13Oh, you think it was that long?
20:16What did you think?
20:18Could have been 20 minutes.
20:20Oh, it might have been longer.
20:21I don't know.
20:22Everything was such a blur.
20:22I mean, it was definitely a blur, I'll say that.
20:26But I could have swore it was...
20:28I mean, it was one and a half game shows.
20:32Oh, man.
20:34You're getting married soon, ain't you?
20:36Yes, sir.
20:36Yeah, it's a blessing, marriage.
20:43Maggie and I had a big old shindig for Alice.
20:46She looks so pretty in her dress.
20:51Oh, yeah, yeah.
20:52It cost a pretty penny, too, I'll tell you that much.
20:54Oh, yeah.
20:55But, you know, just on that, if you need anything, you know, don't you be afraid to ask, okay?
20:59All right, I don't mean to pry, but listen, I want you to have everything that you deserve on your big day.
21:08Oh, thank you so much, Mr. Alec.
21:11I appreciate that.
21:12Bless you, Shelly girl.
21:13Yeah.
21:15Yeah, I hope everything goes okay today.
21:25God be with you.
21:26God be with you.
21:43News cameras at a funeral felt obscene.
22:13Your song was beautiful, love.
22:18So wonderful, Blunk.
22:19Just want to make Maggie Mae proud.
22:22Oh, she would have been.
22:24She was very grateful for you, you know that.
22:30Listen, can I get everybody's attention, please?
22:34I'll get everyone just gathered around.
22:38Plus, come on, come on, get on up here.
22:41I need you, son.
22:43I got a client who every morning sends a, you know, a little Bible verse to friends and family.
22:57You know, just something, you know, to think about throughout your day.
22:59And this morning, I got a personal one, and I just want to share it with you all.
23:09Blessed are those who mourn, because God above will comfort them.
23:16Will comfort them.
23:17Oh, God knows.
23:22God knows we all got a lot.
23:25We got plenty to mourn about this week.
23:28Some of us lost a friend.
23:31A child.
23:32A grandchild.
23:35A sibling.
23:38Some of us lost a sibling.
23:40A parent, a partner, lost them to unspeakable violence, to senseless evil.
23:54And with that loss comes a whole lot of, a whole lot of sorrow.
24:00Well, hell, it ain't no, it ain't no accident the skies opened up this morning at the cemetery and poured with rain.
24:07That was just Paul Terry up in heaven, keeping us all on our toes.
24:14You know, whatever monsters took Maggie and Paul from us,
24:18they won't take away the light that those two beautiful souls shined at each and every one of us, will they?
24:23No.
24:23We're not going to let them, are we?
24:24No, sir.
24:25No, ma'am.
24:26No way.
24:26No.
24:27No, ma'am.
24:28No.
24:30We won't let them.
24:34And hell, if we won't find whoever did this.
24:37Oh, hell, let's just, let's just, let's just get back to it, hey?
24:42Let's just, that's what Paul and Mags would have wanted, hey?
24:45Come on.
24:50I love you.
24:54I think you're real nice, Alice.
24:56I hope you can see that to me.
24:57Yeah, God bless you, Mama.
24:59She loved you so.
25:00Oh.
25:01Mama and Daddy, I think John Marvin was looking for you, too.
25:08Come on.
25:11Oh, man.
25:13You're blessed to have a mama like that.
25:15How they hold you up?
25:16Okay.
25:19Who?
25:20Alec, any updates on the case?
25:22Any leaves?
25:23Sure.
25:24I don't think it was random.
25:27I hope they're taking a good, hard look at that boat crash.
25:30We all know how mad everyone was with Pawpaw about it.
25:34You mean taking revenge after all this time?
25:38You know, maybe.
25:38You know, I'll tell you this, whoever did it, I was thinking about it a long time.
25:52When was it that you talked to Paul last?
26:10That night.
26:11Monday.
26:12Yes, sir.
26:13He was out at the kennels.
26:15Supposed to send me a video of my dog's tail.
26:18He never did.
26:20Miss Maggie and Mr. Alec were there, too.
26:22Wait.
26:29Paul was out at the kennels with both Maggie and Alec?
26:35What makes you say that?
26:38I heard him talking in the background of a call.
26:41I thought I did.
26:42You heard Alec.
26:43Are you sure?
26:4690% sure.
26:51You know what?
26:51It's okay.
26:53You have been through a lot.
26:54I think that's enough for today.
26:56Don't you think?
26:57Thank you for coming in, Rogan.
26:59Yes, ma'am.
27:00Sorry.
27:11If Alec was at the kennels.
27:13If Alec has lied about being at the kennels.
27:16Yeah, if you're trying to take down a Murdoch, you're going to need a lot more than I think
27:20I heard, though.
27:22You know what I keep thinking about?
27:24It's that night in your truck.
27:26Okay?
27:27You remember how clean Alec's clothes were?
27:29I don't know who killed Paul Murdoch.
27:38I don't know who killed Maggie Murdoch.
27:42I have been investigating the Murdoch family for the better part of two and a half years now,
28:00and it is by far the craziest, most twisted saga I have ever covered.
28:06There are five recent deaths connected to the Murdochs.
28:13Deaths which all have more questions than answers.
28:16How long was Alec over at Almeida?
28:29Fifteen minutes, twenty minutes at the most.
28:34That's what I told Mr. Alec.
28:36Alec talked to you about this.
28:39What did he have to say?
28:41He said that it was longer than I remember.
28:44Did he pressure you to lie about this?
28:46He just said that it was more like 45 minutes,
28:51and then he offered to help pay for my wedding.
28:53While authorities work to narrow down the list of suspects in the deaths of Paul and Maggie,
28:58we'll be exploring all the ins and outs of this still unfolding story.
29:03I laid down on the couch, took a nap, probably like, you know, 15, 20 minutes or so.
29:09Like, what were the Murdoch men up to at the hospital the night of the boat crash that killed Mallory
29:14Beach?
29:15Where are the murder weapons that killed Maggie and Paul?
29:18And who would possibly take such brutal matters into their own hands?
29:22My name is Mandy Matney, and this is the Murdoch Murders podcast.
29:26Check that out.
29:51Holy shit.
29:57You know me and Brooklyn had somebody trying to take pictures of us outside the grocery store the other day?
30:03Everybody thinks I'm some kind of gay murderer now.
30:05It's a good picture of us, though.
30:13Thanks.
30:15Why are they doing all this?
30:17Oh, because of a Murdoch, son.
30:19Because you've got all these rumors flying around.
30:22You know, you and that Stephen boy, Gloria and Paulie.
30:25I'm just saying, though, it's a lot, son.
30:31I know it is.
30:33Yeah, I just wish it was over.
30:34Maybe we should start a podcast, huh?
30:37Talk about the worst shit from everyone else's lives.
30:39You know, I'm going to go on Nancy Grace.
30:42You're going to set the record straight.
30:46Just you and me now, right?
30:49I mean, we're in this together.
30:50I've been thinking about how all this is gone.
31:00It made me realize that I want to try to get back into law school.
31:06You bullshitting me?
31:09You mean for real?
31:10Look, I know I shouldn't have cheated.
31:11I know that.
31:12I mean, but me, me being a lawyer was important to granddaddy.
31:21It's important to you.
31:23And your wonderful mama, too.
31:24It was important to her.
31:28So whatever I got to do...
31:30Oh, don't you worry about that.
31:31I'm going to make a few phone calls.
31:33Hey, we get a boogie on, we get you back ready to start next semester.
31:36I mean, that's wonderful news, son.
31:38That's the best goddamn news I've had in a long time.
31:43I'm sorry.
31:44Hey.
31:45Yeah, well, we'll do some good news, right?
31:47Oh, you're goddamn right we'll do some good news.
31:50Oh, hell.
31:53Hell, it's...
31:54I mean, you know, whatever you copied, okay?
31:56Whatever it is, we'll get that sorted, okay?
31:59But this...
32:00This is who you are.
32:02This is who we are.
32:04It's in your blood.
32:08It's in your blood.
32:12Popo would have loved this trip.
32:14You know?
32:16Coming up here, talking, fishing.
32:21Yeah, mama, too.
32:23You couldn't keep her away from this place, huh?
32:26Damn right.
32:31Oh, man.
32:38Y'all want to know who was shot first?
32:47I mean, do you think one of them saw what happened to the other?
32:51It's impossible for us to say.
32:54Do you think they suffered?
32:55If they did, it wasn't for long.
33:00I surely hope not.
33:04No, that's too, Alec.
33:05Now, we have some questions for you.
33:14Some things we need clarification on.
33:15Wait a minute.
33:16I thought you were bringing Alec in just for an update.
33:20Well, the update is we're conducting the investigation,
33:22and we have some questions.
33:24Now, clearly, you don't have to answer them.
33:27It's okay.
33:28I understand.
33:29You ask what you need to.
33:33All right.
33:35Well, Rogan Gibson told us that he believes he heard you
33:41in the background of a call with Paul out at the kennel.
33:44Now, phone records show that call was at 8.46 p.m. that night.
33:47Is that right?
33:50Was it you?
33:558.46, you say?
33:57Correct.
33:57Well, no.
34:02No, not if...
34:03Not if my time's right.
34:07No, sir.
34:08Well, he sure seems certain.
34:12I remember differently.
34:14Let me just remind y'all that Alec came here voluntarily.
34:18Okay.
34:18So, um...
34:23I just have two more questions for you.
34:31Did you kill Maggie?
34:35Did I kill my wife?
34:37Yes, sir.
34:39No, David.
34:40Do you know who did?
34:40No, I do not know who did.
34:44Did you kill Paul?
34:47No, I did not kill Paul.
34:49Do you know who did?
34:50No, sir.
34:51I do not know who did.
34:53Do you think I killed Maggie?
34:56Well, I have to go with the evidence and the facts take me.
34:59I understand.
34:59Do you think I killed Paul?
35:02I have to go with the evidence and the facts take me.
35:05Right now, there's not anything that points me to anybody else.
35:09Does this make me a suspect in the case?
35:13We got Rogan saying he heard you at the kennels.
35:18Your mother's caretaker, Shelly Smith,
35:21tells us that you were only at Almeda for approximately 15 minutes,
35:25not the .45 you claim.
35:28Maggie and Paul were killed with the same type of guns your family owns.
35:32We got shell casings from the missing blackout rifle
35:36found near the house matching those that killed Maggie.
35:39And we have tried and tried.
35:41But we haven't found anybody else's DNA at the scene.
35:46Now I have to put my beliefs aside and go with the facts.
35:50I understand.
35:55Is Alec being detained?
35:57No, he is not.
36:04Well, then we're free to leave.
36:10Y'all be sure to keep us posted.
36:13Hey, Randy, how's it going?
36:30Hey, Randy, how's it going?
36:42Hey.
36:43Need you to come into the office.
36:45Now.
36:46What for?
36:47You just get here as soon as you can.
36:51Sit down, Alec.
36:52Hey.
37:06Bunch of Sal pushes y'all got going on.
37:08Okay, let's see what we got here, then, shall we?
37:26Check receipt for $750,000.
37:29That Annette found in your office.
37:32What about this one?
37:38And this one?
37:40Or this?
37:40Or these?
37:41Or these?
37:42Or these?
37:46Fees for this law firm.
37:49Settlements owed to your clients.
37:53All made out to something called Forge LLC.
37:58Were you trying to make it look like the financial consulting company?
38:02Of course he was.
38:04Alvarez, Pinckney, Badger cases.
38:07This is just a dozen or so we managed to find so far.
38:10How much more is there, Alec?
38:13I don't really know, Randy.
38:17Alec, just explain this, please.
38:19I'm begging you, pal.
38:20Oh, I'll explain it for him.
38:22My jackass little brother has spent what looks like the better part of a decade
38:27blindly stealing from this firm and from his clients.
38:32Right, Alec?
38:36Well, now you're quiet.
38:38You haven't shut your mouth since you're old enough to talk
38:40and now you don't have shit to say.
38:42Randy.
38:42It is fraud!
38:43Do you have any idea the damage you've done
38:51when this gets out to this firm, to our family,
38:58to Buster's future?
39:01I've given you personal loans myself, Alec.
39:07We always paid you back, Jeff.
39:09With money you stole from here!
39:14We're firing you, Alec.
39:16We drafted a letter of resignation on your behalf.
39:19No, hold on, hold on.
39:21Listen, Randy, I got a problem.
39:23Yeah, you got damn right you did.
39:26I got a problem with pills.
39:28What pills, Alec?
39:30Well, pain pills, Billy.
39:32You know, ever since I hurt my knee years ago,
39:35I've been addicted to pain.
39:46I'm sorry.
39:48I am.
39:51I never meant for it to get so bad.
39:53I just got these, you know,
39:55and, uh...
40:04Hey, if I could just get a leave of absence, maybe.
40:06If I could get myself the detox,
40:07I could get myself some help, I could just...
40:10Please.
40:13You need detox?
40:15I do.
40:17Fine.
40:18I will help you get the help you need.
40:22Thank you, thank you.
40:23I do.
40:25But you are fired all the same.
40:28Okay.
40:31We're done.
40:32We're done.
40:32We're done.
40:41We'll help you.
40:54Bye.
40:55Bye.
40:55Bye.
40:55Bye.
40:55Bye.
40:56Bye.
40:58Bye.
41:01Bye.
41:31Damn jellyfish.
41:37Fucking shit.
42:01What's up, Bo?
42:03They follow me, Eddie.
42:05They're after me.
42:07What's up, Bo?
42:11They follow me, Eddie.
42:13They're after me.
42:15Who's after you, man?
42:17Everybody, Bo.
42:19Everybody.
42:20I'll see them.
42:21Everybody.
42:22What the...
42:23Bo!
42:24What the fuck did you do that for, Bo?
42:25Bo!
42:26What the fuck?
42:27Bo!
42:28What the fuck?
42:29They follow me, Eddie.
42:30They're after me.
42:31What the...
42:32Who's after you, man?
42:33Everybody, Bo.
42:34Everybody.
42:35I'll see them.
42:36Everybody.
42:37What the...
42:38Bo!
42:39What the fuck did you do that for, Bo?
42:41Because it's gotta fucking look not that way.
42:43Okay?
42:45Right now.
42:46Now you gotta shoot me.
42:47Oh, shit.
42:48No, man.
42:49Oh, yeah.
42:50Attic.
42:51You got to shoot me.
42:52Fuck, man.
42:53No.
42:54Come on.
42:55Maybe it was you.
42:56Easy, easy, easy, easy, easy.
42:57Maybe it was you, Eddie.
42:58Maybe it was me, what?
42:59Maybe it was you that killed Maggie and Paul.
43:01Alec, you are higher than a hot air balloon right now.
43:03I got no fucking idea what you're talking about, man.
43:05What are you talking about, man?
43:06It's all over.
43:07It's all over.
43:08I didn't mean that, Bo.
43:09You're my best friend.
43:10You're all I got.
43:11It's over, though, ain't it?
43:12What are you talking about?
43:13It's over, man.
43:14What are you talking about?
43:15They fired me.
43:16You know?
43:17They fired me.
43:18My partners.
43:19They fired me from the law firm, Bo.
43:20It's all fucking over.
43:22Holy shit.
43:23You know, a man's gotta go out on his own terms, don't he, Bo?
43:28He does.
43:29I got to take care of...
43:30I got to take care of my son.
43:31No, no, listen, man.
43:32You just gotta pump the brakes a little bit, okay?
43:34I got to be responsible for Buster.
43:36Okay.
43:37Huh?
43:38You understand, don't you?
43:39You get it, don't you, huh?
43:40Well, do it!
43:41Fuck, man!
43:42Don't go on!
43:43Motherfucker!
43:44Come on!
43:47Shit!
43:50Alec.
43:55Alec.
43:59You hit your head, Bo?
44:01You okay?
44:02Huh?
44:03Huh?
44:08You motherfucker.
44:09Just shoot me, Bo.
44:10Shit!
44:13God damn it.
44:16Motherfucker!
44:17God damn it!
44:19God damn it!
44:23Fucking break, you know that?
44:25It's hard!
44:30Hampton County 9-1-1, what's your emergency?
44:32Yeah, I'm on South Kahatchie Road by the church with the red roof.
44:37Okay.
44:38Well, what's going on?
44:39I got a flat tire, and I stopped.
44:43And then somebody stopped to help me.
44:45Did you get a good look at the shooter?
45:00I did.
45:01He was a young fella.
45:04He had short hair, he was taller, wearing a baseball cap, and driving a blue pickup truck.
45:15Seven o'clock his license plate?
45:16No, it just all happened so crazy and fast.
45:22Could you give us just a minute, please?
45:26Somebody's out there hunting us, and y'all aren't doing a damn thing to stop it.
45:30He's answered enough of your questions, all right?
45:35We just got back from your cousin Curtis Eddie Smith's house.
45:38Yeah, what did that lowlife have to say?
45:42I think you know what he had to say, Alec.
45:44Somebody tell him what's going on.
45:46Here, please.
45:47Would you like to tell him, or should we?
45:49You know, the man's a degenerate drug dealer now.
45:52I mean, you can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.
45:55According to Smith, your father asked Smith to meet him down on Sakahatchie Road.
46:03At which point, your father slashed his own tire and attempted to have Mr. Smith shoot him.
46:09There was a struggle for the gun.
46:11Your father fell to the road and busted his head open.
46:14That's just a bunch of bullshit, whole shit lies.
46:17A whole bunch of lies, Bo.
46:18I mean, because they can't find the animals that did this.
46:21We have his call logs.
46:22We have video footage from the nearby church, which shows his truck and your SUV and corroborates his story.
46:29I want to talk to my lawyer.
46:32We'll leave you two to discuss.
46:34And we'll be on standby for more formal questioning.
46:38Dad, what are they talking about?
46:44Listen, Buster, I've been all torn up since, well, since what happened to your mama, Pawpaw.
46:58I'm hooked on pills, and I, well, I just thought I could do something for you.
47:09I got this insurance policy from a buster boy.
47:18Mr. Tensley?
47:21How you doing, sir?
47:22Tony Satterfield.
47:23Hey.
47:24Um, you were helping Mallory Beach's family, right?
47:27I was, yeah.
47:28I was wondering if maybe you could help me with something, too.
47:31Um, my mom, Gloria, she used to work for the Murdochs.
47:35Of course, yeah.
47:36Uh, tragic thing.
47:37Thank you, sir.
47:38Um, well, my brother and me were having some trouble getting ahold of Mr. Alec over an insurance
47:44settlement over her dying.
47:46What kind of trouble, exactly?
47:50Yesterday, I'm puttering around the house doing odds and ends, and my phone rings, and it slid.
48:00Well, after they questioned me back in June about the murders, I thought, oh, Lord, buckle up.
48:07Here we go again.
48:08But it wasn't about none of that.
48:11Said, with all the, um, reporting and the attention from the community, they're gonna finally reopen Steven's case.
48:25What?
48:26Sandy, are you serious?
48:30That's incredible.
48:31That's terrific.
48:32It's you.
48:33You did it.
48:34No, no.
48:35We did it.
48:36Oh, sorry.
48:37Uh, one second.
48:38Mandy, it's Mark Tinsley.
48:39Mark?
48:40Hi.
48:41Hey, um, I won't keep you.
48:42Congrats on the podcast, by the way.
48:43Um, just wanted to put a bug in your ear about something.
48:44Yeah?
48:45What's that?
48:46An insurance settlement over Gloria Siderfield's death.
48:51What about it?
48:52I was hoping we could figure that out.
48:53I'm resigning from a law firm and entering rehab after a long battle that has been exacerbated
48:59by these murders.
49:00I'm immensely sorry to see you.
49:04I'm sorry to see you, but I'm sorry to see you.
49:07I'm sorry to see you.
49:08I'm sorry to see you.
49:09I'm sorry to see you.
49:10I'm sorry to see you.
49:11I'm sorry to see you.
49:12I'm sorry to see you.
49:13I'm sorry to see you.
49:14I'm sorry to see you.
49:15I'm sorry for thelave of the police murders.
49:16I'm immensely sorry to everyone I've hurt, including my family, friends, and colleagues.
49:20I ask for prayers as I rehabilitate myself and my relationships.
49:24Real dignified, Ellieck.
49:28Well done.
49:29Thanks, Bo.
49:32I didn't write it.
49:33I did.
49:34Well, it's real nice all to say.
49:40and that's all the same.
49:52You go get yourself cleaned up, though, brother.
49:55I will, okay.
49:58All right, here goes nothing, huh?
50:01Fucking hell. God.
50:10God bless you.
50:40God bless you.
51:10God bless you.
51:40Amen.
51:42Amen.
51:46Amen.
51:48Amen.
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