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00:00Oh, I must have been eight or nine years old and for Christmas I got given Test Match Cricket.
00:24That game where you play with a ball bearing on felt.
00:27It was like a version of it where you could paint the players and so into another room
00:32I went, came back in the living room to reveal to the family that I'd painted the West Indies,
00:37painted a bunch of brownfellas.
00:39This was just a kid who wanted to paint a team where he looked like some of the players
00:44or he felt like he might belong.
00:47And I didn't feel like that when I looked at the Australian Test team.
00:52I guess representation is so important because it makes you feel like it's something that
00:56you can aspire to.
00:58When you see something where you're not represented, I mean, it's a huge barrier.
01:03You think, oh, well, that's not for me.
01:05That's not something that I can do.
01:07And so you've got a barrier there from the very beginning, let alone being good enough
01:11to make a Test team.
01:12Like, let alone being in the best 11 players.
01:16You're already thinking you don't belong.
01:17Sport.
01:33It's one of Australia's greatest passions.
01:36It brings us together.
01:38But it can divide us, too.
01:42To hear a 13-year-old girl call me an ape, it was shattering.
01:50Racism has always thrived here, traditionally in the stands.
01:55The fan allegedly made racist comments towards Jamara Oogelhagen.
01:59And on the field.
02:00Our fan has been ejected after they allegedly racially abused Rabideau star Latrell Mitchell.
02:05Now, it has moved online.
02:09Where hatred for players of colour runs wild.
02:13I got told, us black bitches, we need to go back to where we came from.
02:16We need to face up to this.
02:18We have a real issue in this country talking about racism.
02:21And more needs to be done to fight it.
02:26So, I'm going on a global mission.
02:28Get to as many big decision makers as you can.
02:31So, as high up the tree as possible.
02:32As high up the tree as you can.
02:33And people that can make decisions and get them on camera.
02:36Finding new ways to tackle racism in sport.
02:39We can prove that they're sending abuse to your players.
02:42They then ban them.
02:43That's a big deal.
02:44And learning that even when they're threatened with violence...
02:47..professional players can show the way.
02:52We as athletes can actually impact the world.
02:55Then, I'll take what I've learned.
02:57We wouldn't be sitting here talking about this
02:59if we were where we wanted to be.
03:01And bring about real change.
03:04What you're saying is this is people
03:06who could literally turn that tap off.
03:09They could fucking turn the tap off.
03:11Yeah.
03:11Turn the tap of abuse off.
03:15I've never thought that there was an opportunity
03:18to get that kind of recourse or that kind of outcome.
03:21So, it gives me hope.
03:24I want to run towards the fire.
03:25So far on my global journey,
03:35I found hope in the United Kingdom,
03:37where social media platforms
03:39and the people who use them to abuse players
03:42are being held to account.
03:43Then, in the United States,
03:48where racist threats and violence are next level,
03:50I learned about players uniting
03:53and using their star power to demand change.
03:56I mean, ultimately, it's to bring awareness
03:58and make people, you know, realize
04:01what's really going on in this country.
04:03And create a better future.
04:04We really believe we can educate and empower young athletes
04:09in order to make tomorrow better than today.
04:13And I went all the way to the Cayman Islands
04:15to get advice from one of my sporting heroes
04:18who knows Australia well.
04:20Talk to people who have the power to make changes.
04:24People who can and won't and ask them why.
04:28Back in Australia, it was time to take action.
04:31Tony Armstrong, it's great to have you on 360.
04:33Welcome.
04:34The US athletes have been able to come together.
04:37They've been able to lobby government,
04:38been able to lobby to change the law.
04:41Now, it's time to get results.
04:49And another one!
04:51It's often said that in Australia,
04:54sport is like a religion
04:55and sports stars are like gods.
05:00I want to bring together high-profile players
05:02known for being outspoken
05:04and use their collective star power to fight racism.
05:09I've made it public
05:10that I want to try this
05:12knowing that we could face a backlash.
05:21The first player I want to pitch this to
05:23is Ash Gardner,
05:25an outstanding cricketer.
05:27She's only the second Indigenous woman
05:29to play a test match for Australia
05:31and the first to score an international century.
05:34In her first ever international 100.
05:37She made headlines
05:40by speaking out
05:41against a game scheduled for Australia Day.
05:44Gardner tweeted that,
05:45reflecting on what January 26 meant to her and her people,
05:48it is a day of hurt and a day of mourning.
05:51She said playing a game on that day
05:52didn't sit well with her,
05:54as the day was the beginning of genocide,
05:56massacres and dispossession.
05:58G'day.
06:04How are you?
06:04Good, how are you?
06:05Good to see you.
06:05Come on in.
06:06No worries.
06:09For me, that Jan 26 game,
06:11I knew that posting about that stuff
06:13was always going to spark conversation.
06:16And I feel like, as an Aboriginal athlete,
06:19you naturally just fall into this political space as well,
06:22as much as you probably don't want to.
06:23So that was pretty tough leading up to that game
06:26where people were saying some choice things online,
06:28which sitting behind a keyboard
06:30is obviously really easy to do.
06:35And it was hurtful at the start.
06:37And I was like, wow.
06:39But I'm really proud of speaking out,
06:41no matter the stuff that I copped for it.
06:43And then ultimately,
06:44we haven't played on that day since,
06:46which probably doesn't seem like much for some people,
06:49but for an Aboriginal person to not have to do that,
06:52yeah, is obviously good.
06:54The way things happened,
06:55is that something that would make you think differently
06:58about, you know, being an activist again?
07:02I knew that what I did was the right thing.
07:05I have a platform
07:05and I want to use my platform to the best of my ability.
07:08And the legacy that I want to leave behind
07:10is not actually what I did on the cricket field,
07:12but how I can change things
07:13for the greater good, hopefully.
07:16Do you think Australian sport
07:18could do with something like a coalition
07:20where it's across sports
07:23and it's one united voice?
07:25To actually have a united voice
07:27from sporting people,
07:29that would probably be
07:30one of the most powerful things.
07:32That is definitely something
07:33that I would be wanting to join.
07:35So, carry you in?
07:37Yeah, yeah, yeah.
07:38100%.
07:38That's the coolest thing ever.
07:42Securing Ash's backing is a strong start.
07:44The next sports star I want to talk to lives in Brisbane.
07:51Usman Khawaja,
07:52the first Muslim to play test cricket for Australia,
07:55has spoken out about racism in sport
07:57and other humanitarian issues,
07:59even when threatened
08:01by the powerful International Cricket Council.
08:03The ICC says Khawaja breached its rules
08:07by wearing a black armband in Perth
08:09without prior approval.
08:11Guys have put stickers on their bats,
08:13names on their shoes,
08:15done all sorts of things in the past
08:16without ICC approval
08:17and never been reprimanded.
08:19Khawaja had trained in shoes
08:21bearing a simple message,
08:22but ICC rules prevented him
08:24from wearing them during the test.
08:28The greatest gift my parents gave me
08:30was coming here when I was four years old.
08:31That's the greatest gift my dad gave me
08:33for coming to Pakistan to Australia
08:34because I love it here.
08:36I love this place,
08:37but I want the best for this place too.
08:39I grew up as a Pakistani Muslim in Australia
08:42and I grew up playing the widest games
08:44there is in Australia,
08:45which is cricket.
08:47I was lucky enough
08:49to meet people of all different faiths,
08:51religions, different backgrounds.
08:54I'm not going to treat them any differently
08:55and I expect the same return.
08:57That's all I'm standing up for.
08:58Yeah.
08:59It's equality.
09:00Whenever I speak up for anything,
09:01it's always how can we be more inclusive
09:04but treat everyone the same,
09:07no matter where you're from,
09:08no matter what colour you are.
09:09If anyone was to argue with me
09:10that all lives aren't equal
09:12and that freedom isn't everyone's human right,
09:14come at me.
09:15Let's start this conversation.
09:17Yeah.
09:17But the toll that it takes,
09:18people don't realise it.
09:20And I have all these people
09:21in the news,
09:22the media outlets coming at me.
09:24I'm not doing it for any other reason
09:25because I think it's right
09:26because if anything,
09:27it could hurt me.
09:27And I could lose...
09:29You could lose contracts.
09:30Contract, sponsorship,
09:31all these things.
09:32But I think I've always thought
09:34if a sponsor or someone
09:36that doesn't want to stick around with me
09:39when I'm speaking up for human rights
09:40is a sponsor I don't want to be a part of anything.
09:43Yeah.
09:43A lot of the stuff that we spoke about in the US
09:45was athlete activism.
09:46They've got to the Players Coalition.
09:48They've seen laws literally changed
09:50off the back of them campaigning.
09:53Would you be interested in joining
09:54something like that here in Australia?
09:56I mean, absolutely.
09:57Strength in numbers always...
09:59It needs to be something
10:00that actually does have influence and power.
10:02Like, and the only way that happens
10:04is if you make networks and communications
10:07with the right people.
10:08Like, people say sport and politics don't mix.
10:11I've seen politicians all over cricket my whole life
10:14and I think nothing in Australia will happen
10:17unless you have connections to those politicians.
10:20I think some of that could be really great.
10:23Speaking with Usman has strengthened my belief
10:26that Australia's athletes are ready to stand up
10:29and speak out on issues such as racism.
10:40The last person I want to meet is Akech Chewett.
10:43All right, welcome to Richmond.
10:46This is home.
10:47This is home.
10:48She made history as the first African-born woman
10:51to play in the AFLW.
10:54Her experiences on and off the field
10:57would bring a powerful voice to any coalition of players.
11:02When I first moved to Australia,
11:04I didn't really understand racism.
11:06Like, I've never really dealt with racism.
11:08It's crazy.
11:09And it wasn't until when I was 15
11:11that I got told by, me and my little cousin,
11:14we got told by some angry white man
11:17that if he had a gun, he'll shoot us
11:19and that us black bitches,
11:21we need to go back to where we came from.
11:23And that was the first time in my life
11:25that I was like,
11:26wow, my skin colour is going to be a problem.
11:28That's fantastic stuff.
11:30Delivers back to Makur Chut,
11:32who's going to put it...
11:34For Akech,
11:34it was the support of her teammates
11:36that gave her the courage to speak out against racism.
11:39There was a time of the Black Lives Matter movement.
11:42I mean, I remember being really vocal
11:44about, you know, how I felt about that.
11:50It was just incredible
11:52how my sisters just got around me.
11:53And, you know, one play I will never forget.
11:57I call her Benno.
11:58And, um...
12:02Oh, man.
12:06I can't believe...
12:10Just her love and her empathy.
12:15My sister, Christina Bernardi,
12:16she called me and she said,
12:17what can I do?
12:19You know?
12:19What are the conversations I need to have?
12:23Despite that support,
12:25Akech found the online world
12:27was a different challenge entirely.
12:29The abuse was relentless.
12:32Yesterday, I got attacked
12:33by all these trolls
12:35for wearing this shirt.
12:37And I just stood there and I said,
12:38this is why this conversation on racism
12:41and the treatment of our Aboriginal people
12:43in this country
12:44needs to be louder than ever.
12:47For another human being
12:48to call me the N-word,
12:50this, you call me that,
12:51I take that as a threat
12:53to my humanity
12:54and to my life.
12:56For Akech,
12:57she believes there's one challenge
12:59a players' group must confront head-on.
13:02We are being threatened online.
13:05There's no consequences to the trolls.
13:07It cannot be a slap in the wrist anymore.
13:09It has to be now tangible,
13:11actionable actions.
13:13This issue and every issue,
13:15it has to be people from the top.
13:17You know?
13:17People from the top
13:18are the most powerful people
13:20in the organisations.
13:21And once we get that buy-in
13:23from the top,
13:24then it's easy for everyone else
13:27in the industry
13:27to then be able to say,
13:29you know what,
13:30this is a problem.
13:31Racism...
13:32Should be a priority.
13:33..a priority.
13:39One person close to the top
13:40was Tanya Hosh.
13:42In 2016,
13:45she became the most senior
13:46Indigenous sports administrator.
13:48The Executive General Manager
13:50of Inclusion and Social Policy
13:52at the AFL.
13:54I'm thrilled to be here
13:56to announce the return
13:58of the 2025 Toyota AFL
14:01Indigenous All-Stars match.
14:03But after nearly nine years
14:04at the AFL,
14:06she recently left
14:07in a management restructure.
14:08I want to find out why.
14:12I think certainly
14:13there'd be a number of people
14:15who would think
14:16that a job like
14:18the one that I've been in
14:19shouldn't exist.
14:24It was said to me one day
14:26that you represent everything
14:27that people don't like.
14:29Oh, nice.
14:30Yeah.
14:31Do you think
14:31the Australian Rules Football
14:33realises how big
14:34that potential for good is?
14:36We can't ask the public,
14:38the spectators,
14:39the fans,
14:41players,
14:43anyone else
14:43in the ecosystem of sport
14:45to take their responsibility
14:47about eradicating
14:48racism seriously
14:50if we don't show leadership
14:52in the same way.
14:53I mean,
14:53you can have the representation
14:55at the high levels,
14:57but it needs to be
14:57really supportive.
14:59And you certainly
15:00don't want to do that
15:01as a PR exercise.
15:04What's that toll like
15:05when you're in it,
15:06you're going through the crap,
15:07you're getting name-called,
15:09you're experiencing
15:10all the racism,
15:11hoping that children
15:12coming through
15:13are going to be
15:14the beneficiaries
15:15of the work
15:16that's being done now.
15:17There's definitely times
15:18where you wonder
15:18whether you can withstand
15:19the pressure
15:22of feeling
15:24so determined
15:25to make a difference,
15:28to do the job
15:29that you've been asked to do
15:30and try to perform well in it
15:32while keeping people
15:34comfortable
15:34but asking them
15:35to change
15:36at the same time.
15:37And, you know,
15:39maybe I just wasn't
15:40very good at it.
15:41Oh.
15:42But I always said
15:43what I felt needed
15:44to be said.
15:45Yeah.
15:45I said what I believe
15:47the, you know,
15:50Indigenous leaders
15:51that have invested
15:52in me for a long time
15:54would expect of me.
15:55and, you know,
16:01it's their support
16:03and their triumphs
16:06and courage
16:08and endorsement
16:12that ultimately
16:13means the most
16:15and I hope I did that.
16:19Thanks, Danielle.
16:25I mean,
16:28it was pretty emotional.
16:29I think we all saw
16:30just how much
16:32it all meant to Tanya.
16:34It just really shows
16:35how hard it can be
16:36for someone
16:37when they're in an institution
16:38like the AFL
16:39but still not feeling
16:40like they've got the support.
16:43Tanya spoke very clearly
16:44about the importance
16:45of things being action-based
16:47and not necessarily
16:48how they look optically.
16:51The troubling thing is
16:52Tanya's role
16:53has now been folded
16:54into the AFL's
16:55corporate affairs department.
16:59To find out why,
17:01I've tried to contact
17:02AFL CEO Andrew Dillon.
17:05So far,
17:06his people haven't committed
17:07to a time for an interview.
17:11They've just been
17:12a little bit tricky.
17:13You've got a big business
17:14that wants to keep
17:15its shiny reputation.
17:19I get it.
17:21The frustration's
17:22not necessarily
17:23with them personally.
17:24personally,
17:25it's just
17:26almost at the systems
17:27that have made them
17:29be scared
17:30to want to put their head up
17:31and talk about what is
17:32a tough subject.
17:37I want to find out
17:38how another of our most
17:39popular sporting codes
17:40is tackling racism.
17:43And after contacting
17:44the National Rugby League,
17:46its CEO Andrew Abdo
17:47has agreed to a meeting.
17:49The whole idea of this documentary
17:53is to do a dive into racism
17:55in sport in Australia,
17:57but what can be done
17:58to stop it?
17:59Where do you think
17:59the NRL is placed
18:01in issues of racism
18:03and how it deals with them,
18:04both on and off the pitch?
18:06If you look at our
18:07playing population now,
18:08it is incredibly diverse.
18:11And so what we're doing
18:12with Rugby League
18:13is showcasing,
18:14I believe,
18:14what modern, vibrant,
18:16progressive Australia
18:18can look like.
18:19But we're not perfect.
18:20We wouldn't be sitting here
18:21talking about this
18:22if we were
18:23where we wanted to be.
18:24So I think we've come
18:24a long way.
18:25I think we've been authentic,
18:26but I think we've got
18:28to do more.
18:28Well, what do you think
18:29that might look like?
18:30And obviously,
18:31no racism
18:32is obviously the end game,
18:35but what might
18:36a progression then look like?
18:38Well, like any complex problem,
18:40there's never going to be
18:41like a golden solution
18:43or a silver bullet.
18:44It requires, I think,
18:46elements of many things
18:48combined from grassroots
18:49all the way through
18:49to the elite.
18:50But using what we have
18:51in our advantage,
18:52some unbelievable role models,
18:54the players themselves,
18:56giving them the courage
18:57to speak out
18:58and to talk about
19:00their experiences
19:01and to call out racism,
19:02whether it's online
19:03or whether it happens
19:04in more subtle ways,
19:06making sure that we've got
19:07the best possible policies
19:09in place
19:09and using the powerful leaders
19:12we have in the game
19:13to educate not only
19:14other professional players,
19:16but more importantly,
19:17become role models
19:18for society.
19:19Because sport should be
19:22the role model
19:22for what we want society to be.
19:27So much of this
19:28comes down to leadership
19:29and role models.
19:31I know how hard it is
19:33for players to call it out,
19:34but I've heard about research
19:36that shows the consequences
19:38of staying silent.
19:40If you're in a change room
19:42and there's 15, 18, 25 people
19:45in that change room,
19:46there's going to be
19:47one or maybe two people,
19:48depending on the ratios,
19:50who have profoundly racist views.
19:52That's the statistics.
19:53So we need the rest
19:55of that change room
19:55to speak up
19:56when that person
19:57articulates that racism
19:59because we cannot allow
20:00their norm
20:01to become the norm
20:02of that change room.
20:03That's so interesting to me.
20:05The behaviour you walk past
20:06is the behaviour
20:06that you accept.
20:07Yep.
20:08The behaviour you accept
20:09if someone calls Tony a coon
20:11when he's not in the room.
20:12If they think,
20:13if they are given any sense
20:14that their view
20:15is the consensus,
20:16the majority view,
20:17they are more likely
20:19to do and say racist things.
20:21If we allow them
20:22to think that they're
20:22the majority,
20:24there will be more racism.
20:25No one's called me out.
20:26They must agree.
20:27And the reasons
20:28people don't take action
20:29is they're fearful
20:30of becoming a target themselves.
20:32They don't know what to do.
20:34Yep.
20:35For young people too,
20:36there's a fear of being
20:37placed into an outsider group.
20:39So they're the obstacles
20:40to people taking action
20:41when they witness racism.
20:45Kev touched on something
20:46which was,
20:48I thought,
20:49really at the crux
20:50of what a lot of people
20:51struggle with
20:52when it comes to
20:52calling stuff out.
20:53They don't want to end up
20:54in the other group.
20:55They don't want to be othered.
20:57And as a black dude,
20:58I'm already standing out.
21:00I'm already in the other.
21:02So if I'm calling stuff out,
21:04that's just like another layer,
21:06you know?
21:06When I was younger,
21:07I was scared of the big bad world.
21:08It was hard enough
21:09just trying to fit in.
21:12Supporting people
21:13who call this stuff out
21:14is a non-negotiable.
21:15They shouldn't have
21:17to carry it alone.
21:21Oh, hey, brother.
21:23I've got the chance
21:23to appear on a podcast
21:24and hopefully sharing
21:26my own early experiences
21:27of racism
21:28and the herd of causes
21:29might help others.
21:31If that helps
21:32even one person feel seen
21:34or sparks someone else
21:36to speak up,
21:37then it's worth it.
21:38So when was the first time
21:40you realised race
21:41or racism existed?
21:42I was probably five or six
21:44when I first noticed
21:46that it happened.
21:48Yeah, just like jokes
21:50where like,
21:52you know,
21:52the butt would be
21:53the N-word
21:54or that kind of thing
21:55and you do something
21:57like you beat someone
21:59at handball
22:00and you get called
22:01Danny Kim
22:01or something like that.
22:03But when you're a kid,
22:03the thing you want to do
22:04most is fit in.
22:06You know?
22:06So I would
22:07just laugh along.
22:09They'll say,
22:09it's not affecting me.
22:11I'm still part of the crew.
22:13Right.
22:13Yeah.
22:14Right.
22:14So you're trying to fit in.
22:16Yeah.
22:17Like fitting in is like
22:18when you're young,
22:20you like want to.
22:21It's really difficult
22:21and working in schools,
22:23we hear that a lot.
22:25Oh, thank you.
22:26Thank you so much.
22:26I really enjoyed it, man.
22:31Looking back,
22:32I don't remember anyone
22:33at school talking about racism,
22:35let alone how to deal with it.
22:38Now I want to know
22:39what it's like
22:39for the next generation.
22:41Are things different?
22:42Are we giving young people
22:44the tools to handle it?
22:45Because if not,
22:47maybe that's where
22:47a players' coalition
22:48can step in
22:49and make a real difference
22:50through education.
22:53I've come to
22:54Wesley College in Perth.
22:56Charlie.
22:57Nice to meet you.
22:57Charlie?
22:58I'm Lucas.
22:59Nice to meet you, Lucas.
22:59I'm Tony.
23:01Has anyone here
23:02called it out ever?
23:04It's like,
23:04you know you should stand up,
23:06but then you don't
23:07or like,
23:08sometimes you might
23:09or sometimes you won't
23:10and it's,
23:10yeah, you feel like a shame
23:11because you should have stood up,
23:12but realistically,
23:14most people aren't
23:15going to stand up.
23:16Why is it hard to?
23:18Nobody else stands up.
23:20Most people are
23:20too ashamed
23:21or scared to
23:22and then
23:23it just gets worse and worse
23:25until you don't know
23:26what to do.
23:27What do you think
23:28can be done?
23:29Learning how to stand up
23:30in the right way.
23:32It's like knowing
23:33the right way to do it.
23:34So it's learning
23:35even like different language
23:37if you hear someone
23:38call someone,
23:39whatever it might be.
23:40More like big names
23:42or celebrities to do it,
23:43I think it would have
23:44a more positive impact
23:45on us.
23:46Yeah.
23:47Because we'd see them
23:47do it and go,
23:48oh, it's fine to stand up
23:49and it would make
23:50our job a bit easier.
23:53I remember being that age,
23:54just like getting blood
23:55out of a stone
23:56to get me to talk.
23:57So for them to do that
23:58with cameras and stuff
23:59here was,
24:02yeah,
24:02I'm beyond impressed
24:04and I guess encouraged
24:06as well.
24:08Almost to a boy,
24:10they all said
24:10they knew what the right
24:12thing to do was,
24:14but they didn't
24:15A, know how to do it
24:17or B, have the courage
24:19in the moment to do it.
24:20I think that's where
24:21a big part of the gap
24:23can be bridged
24:24in enabling people
24:26to actually have that
24:27conversation with other
24:28people.
24:29One of the kids,
24:31he said,
24:31we want to see
24:32our heroes do it.
24:34That's the athlete
24:34advocacy stuff.
24:35But I think just like
24:36in the classroom,
24:38it's hard
24:40and it takes a lot
24:41of courage
24:41and it's not easy
24:42to do it.
24:45What's hitting me
24:46more and more
24:47is how powerful
24:48words really are.
24:50The language
24:50we choose matters.
24:52Sometimes it sounds
24:53harmless,
24:54positive even,
24:55but underneath,
24:56it can actually
24:57do real damage.
25:00Coming from my world
25:01of sports commentary,
25:02I know just how much
25:04the way we speak
25:04can shape perception
25:05and it's time
25:07we own that
25:07responsibility.
25:11I think most
25:12commentators
25:13and their audiences
25:13don't see an issue
25:14with using words
25:15like mercurial
25:16or magic
25:17when describing
25:19the on-field prowess
25:20of a dark-skinned player.
25:22It's called
25:22unconscious racial bias.
25:24I want to find out
25:26more,
25:27so I've contacted
25:27the world's leading
25:28expert on the subject.
25:30He's based
25:30in the Netherlands.
25:31So we all have ideas
25:34that include stereotypes
25:36about other groups
25:37that we use
25:38in our behaviour,
25:39in our thinking,
25:40in our language
25:41that we often
25:42are not at all
25:43aware of.
25:44Everybody does this.
25:45It's an unconscious
25:46process,
25:47but for sport commentators
25:48doing live coverage
25:49for a big audience,
25:50yeah, this becomes
25:51in particular
25:52kind of a problem.
25:53So what are the
25:54common racial stereotypes
25:55and falsehoods
25:56that get repeated
25:56by commentators?
25:58Black athletes,
25:59we see that
26:00they're more often
26:00associated with
26:01natural athleticism,
26:03natural physical abilities
26:05and animal-like
26:06characteristics,
26:08while white athletes
26:09more often
26:10being represented
26:11as having
26:12the tactical capacity
26:14but also
26:14the capacities
26:15to lead the team.
26:17At the time,
26:17some of these ways
26:18of describing players
26:19seem complementary,
26:20but is that
26:21the actual
26:21long-term effect?
26:22The stereotypes
26:23that associate
26:24black athletes
26:25with athleticism
26:26disadvantages
26:27these athletes
26:28when they want
26:29to become
26:29after their career,
26:31for example,
26:31a coach.
26:32Then they have to be
26:33associated with
26:33being a good manager.
26:35That means being
26:35associated with
26:36mental capacities,
26:38with tactical capacities,
26:40with being a leader.
26:41Why is this sort of
26:42unconscious racism
26:43so entrenched?
26:44In most Western countries,
26:46it's a real dominance
26:46of white men
26:47who work as commentators.
26:49And we know
26:49from the research
26:50that it is, again,
26:51in particular white men
26:51who tend to reproduce
26:52these stereotypes.
26:53Commentators don't reflect
26:54on whether they use
26:55stereotypes or not.
26:56It's not something
26:57that's being discussed
26:58in management.
26:59I think management
27:00should structure sessions
27:02where people listen
27:03back to their commentary
27:03and their coverage.
27:04But if that doesn't happen,
27:06things will not change.
27:09So unconscious bias
27:11is actually contributing
27:12to a lack of black leadership,
27:14something that we discovered
27:16was very important
27:17in driving change
27:18in America.
27:19On a fiery Wednesday morning,
27:21in a moment,
27:22just to take a breath
27:23and contemplate
27:23something broader.
27:24Gerard Whateley
27:25is a respected voice
27:26in AFL.
27:27Earlier,
27:28I met him on the set
27:29of AFL 360.
27:30Now,
27:31I'm in his radio studio.
27:33I want to ask him
27:34about what can be done
27:35about unconscious
27:36racial bias.
27:38Take me into this.
27:39It's the heat of the moment.
27:40Game's on the line.
27:41You're calling
27:42with adrenaline.
27:43It's close.
27:44So,
27:44you want those moments
27:45to soar.
27:46And I actually think
27:47the fundamental to that
27:48is doing justice
27:49to the players before you.
27:51Some of the stuff
27:52that irks me the most
27:53is when blackfellas
27:55called mercurial
27:56and magical.
27:56That discounts
27:57the amount of hours
27:59he spent training.
28:01Now,
28:01it doesn't mean
28:02the moment wasn't magical,
28:03but let's not forget
28:04all the work
28:04that comes behind it.
28:05Is that something
28:06that you've ever considered?
28:07That was illuminating
28:08to be told that
28:09the first time
28:10because the idea
28:11of mercurial
28:12and magical
28:13was the ultimate accolade.
28:16That hadn't occurred
28:17to me
28:18prior to that
28:19being explained.
28:20And you go,
28:20OK,
28:20all right,
28:21I understand that now.
28:22Do you think
28:23commentators in general
28:25are thinking about
28:26how far
28:27each of those words
28:28can carry
28:29and the impact
28:30that they can have?
28:32So,
28:32no,
28:33it is in the moment.
28:34It is,
28:35it's hot-blooded
28:36and it's impulsive
28:37and you are
28:39drawing on
28:40the language
28:40that you use.
28:41What's in your vocabulary?
28:43What's in your thinking?
28:44The way I learnt
28:45how to commentate
28:46was you listen
28:47to everyone,
28:47then you learnt
28:48the structures,
28:49but there's no real
28:51education resource
28:53or feedback
28:53where we can learn
28:55what our unconscious
28:55biases are.
28:56We can learn,
28:57you know,
28:58what might be harmful.
28:59Do you think
29:00commentary and media
29:02could benefit
29:02from having
29:03a resource like that
29:05that's industry-wide?
29:06So,
29:07I don't feel qualified
29:08to fully answer
29:09that
29:09other than
29:10the more
29:11information you have
29:12and the more
29:12conversations you have,
29:13particularly uncomfortable
29:15conversations,
29:15the more you end up
29:16knowing.
29:17You don't want
29:18to create an environment
29:19that's fearful.
29:20No.
29:20A mistake can be made
29:22and we all end up
29:23getting better
29:24as a result of it.
29:27Gerard believes
29:28education is key
29:29and I agree,
29:30but I also think
29:32the Players Coalition
29:32can step up,
29:34help push for better
29:35training,
29:35better awareness
29:36and real change
29:38on the ground.
29:42Right now,
29:43though,
29:43there's one issue
29:44that screams for attention,
29:46the abuse we cop online
29:48and we need the law
29:50to back us up.
29:52Julie Inman Grant
29:54knows this better
29:55than anyone.
29:56She was the world's
29:57first e-safety commissioner.
29:58Since 2015,
30:01she's been on the front lines,
30:03taking on social media giants
30:04and fighting for the powers
30:06to stop the abuse
30:07before it hurts more people.
30:10Every time there was
30:11an Indigenous round,
30:12whether it was NRL
30:13or AFL,
30:15that is when we saw
30:16huge spikes
30:17in online racism
30:18and hate.
30:19Is it getting worse?
30:20From 2019
30:22to about 2022,
30:25we've seen an increase
30:27in online hate
30:27across the population
30:28by 4%,
30:29so 18% of people
30:31have experienced it.
30:32And Indigenous Australians
30:34are twice as likely
30:36to receive online hate.
30:38So,
30:39what are the solutions then?
30:40We need to see
30:41the platforms
30:42that are hosting
30:43this content
30:43in the first place
30:44being much more active
30:46about detecting
30:46and preventing
30:47the posting
30:48of this happening
30:48in the first place,
30:49and they have the capability
30:50to do so.
30:51Unfortunately,
30:52the platforms
30:53are starting to roll back
30:54their online hate policies
30:55and their safety policies
30:56and they're starting
30:57to cut trust
30:58and safety staff.
30:59Are the laws
31:00actually strong enough?
31:02We do have
31:02these complaint schemes
31:03where we take down content,
31:05but the threshold
31:06was made very high
31:07so that freedom
31:08of expression
31:09wasn't undermined,
31:11that it was higher
31:12than defamation.
31:14But what it's really
31:14meant practically
31:15is we can actually
31:16only take action,
31:18formal action,
31:19in about 6% of cases,
31:20the threshold
31:21is that high.
31:22I always get frustrated
31:23when people start
31:24trying to intellectualise
31:25why racism
31:26should be okay.
31:28Freedom of speech,
31:29yeah, I don't,
31:30yeah, go ahead,
31:31say it,
31:31but I don't see
31:33recourse
31:34and consequence
31:35marrying up.
31:37So there has been
31:37an Independent Online Safety Act
31:39review
31:40that was taken,
31:41undertaken in 2024.
31:44It's been tabled
31:45before Parliament.
31:46There are about
31:4663 recommendations,
31:48and one of those
31:49recommendations
31:50is that the threshold
31:52be lowered
31:53so that we can
31:54help more people.
31:56You know,
31:56I'd love to hope
31:57that someday
31:58that we're not
31:58always on defence,
32:00that we can play offence.
32:03Julie's clearly frustrated.
32:05The recommendations
32:06are there,
32:06but the federal government
32:08hasn't acted.
32:09Online harm
32:10keeps spreading
32:11while Julie waits
32:12for the powers she needs.
32:14As someone who has been
32:15on the receiving end,
32:16I have no confidence
32:18in what will happen
32:20to someone
32:21that calls me
32:22a coon
32:23or a boon
32:23or whatever.
32:24I've got no confidence.
32:26It was pleasing to hear
32:27that a range of recommendations
32:28have gone to the government
32:29around strengthening
32:31the laws.
32:32So far,
32:34the federal government
32:34hasn't officially responded.
32:37I think my growing group
32:38of sports stars
32:39could take this on
32:40and apply some pressure.
32:46Online racism
32:47is hard to investigate
32:48because the perpetrators
32:50can hide their identity
32:52behind their usernames
32:53and they can create
32:55more accounts
32:56with different names
32:57on other platforms.
33:00A powerful solution
33:02I found earlier
33:03is unmasking
33:04the account holders
33:05spreading hate online.
33:07I asked a British company
33:08to investigate the players
33:10at the Brisbane Lions.
33:13Now,
33:14three months later,
33:15Jonathan Hershler
33:16is ready to deliver
33:17the findings.
33:20What I'm going to show you now
33:21is some of the work
33:22that we've done
33:22looking at
33:23Brisbane Lions accounts.
33:25If CEO Sam Graham
33:27and marketing manager
33:28Natalie Redford
33:29give it the thumbs up,
33:31the Brisbane Lions
33:32could become
33:32the first club in Australia
33:33to adopt this technology.
33:36We're looking specifically
33:38for messages
33:38that contain something
33:39that could be threatening.
33:41They jump to the top.
33:41Using AI,
33:43Signify analyzed
33:44the players
33:44and the club's
33:45social media accounts
33:46across the past two seasons.
33:49Over that time period,
33:50nearly 187,000
33:52posts and comments.
33:53From that number,
33:55we'd filtered it down
33:56to 6,258 posts and comments
33:58which were flagged
33:59by the system
33:59as potentially abusive.
34:01And they're the ones
34:02that our team
34:03would have double triaged
34:04with their eyes.
34:05From that,
34:06the ones that passed
34:07the threshold
34:07as definitely being abusive
34:08and needing to come down
34:10were 148.
34:12Ones that we feel
34:13actually break
34:15platforms' own guidelines.
34:20The attacks
34:21against just one club
34:22in one sporting code
34:24are shocking.
34:25A lot of sexual abuse
34:27being sent.
34:28The violent abuse
34:29is the bit
34:29that we really do focus on.
34:31Xenophobia, racism,
34:32all the other isms
34:33are in there as well.
34:34I see racism
34:35in sort of only 2%.
34:37It is all the way throughout.
34:38So the 2% you see there
34:40are the ones
34:40purely triggered
34:41by racism.
34:43However, racism
34:44will be found
34:44in all of these
34:45other messages as well.
34:47Nobody can argue
34:48that these should be allowed
34:49to remain up publicly
34:50on social media.
34:51Some of them
34:52are really out of order
34:53and disgusting.
34:58How do you guys feel
34:59when you see
34:59what we've seen happen
35:00to Cal and stuff like that?
35:02It's heartbreaking
35:03to see what they have
35:04to go through.
35:05It just keeps happening.
35:06So if there is a way
35:07we can be more proactive
35:09in this space,
35:10the better.
35:11So if we jump into it,
35:12this is a message
35:13that we've picked up.
35:14Clearly it's threatening.
35:15It's actually threatening
35:16the kids of a player.
35:18We do run this
35:19in real time
35:19over big games,
35:20big events.
35:21So we will be picking it up
35:22often when the players
35:23are out on the field.
35:24And then we'll get
35:24in contact with you.
35:25We'll say,
35:26look, a player's
35:27receiving a bit of a spike.
35:28You need to go
35:29and speak to him.
35:29Welfare team,
35:31safeguarding team
35:31needs to have a chat with him.
35:32Put an arm around his shoulder.
35:33Let him know,
35:34we're on this.
35:35We're picking up everything
35:36that's coming your way.
35:37We're dealing with it.
35:38This is all the kind of things
35:39that we would put together
35:40in an evidence pack
35:41showing you
35:41who they are,
35:43where they're based,
35:44what team they support,
35:45their social media accounts,
35:46their email address,
35:48some of their phone number.
35:49This might take you
35:50maybe three or four minutes
35:51to read,
35:52but the recommendation
35:53would take you
35:53a few seconds
35:54to decide,
35:55yes, let's go ahead
35:55and do that
35:56or let's not.
35:57We can even link you
35:58through to the right people
35:59and law enforcement.
36:00I see this
36:01as an incredible tool
36:02around workplace safety.
36:04They're super keen
36:05to explore it further
36:06and maybe run a trial
36:07over this next period,
36:09making an impact
36:09and being a more safe environment
36:11for our players
36:12and our broader club.
36:15With the Lions
36:16committed to this trial,
36:17I want to update
36:18a player who cops
36:19a lot of online abuse,
36:21Callum Archie.
36:23And I think
36:23one of the things
36:24that jumped out at me,
36:25they can sort of report
36:27live as it's happening.
36:29So say you're playing,
36:30they can actually
36:31let the club know.
36:32Yeah, that's what we're saying.
36:33While you're on the ground.
36:35Yeah.
36:35And then before you even
36:37get back to your phone,
36:38it's like,
36:38hey, brother,
36:39like, just so you know,
36:41we're on it.
36:41Yeah, heads up.
36:42Yeah.
36:42I think that's a great thing
36:43because you have a great game
36:45and then that can be overshadowed.
36:46You come in,
36:47you check your phone,
36:48it's going off
36:49and, you know,
36:50it can be overshadowed by that.
36:51It's the only thing you hear.
36:54Yeah, exactly.
36:54And then that sticks you there
36:55for the next couple of days
36:56and so if you can,
36:57you know,
36:58if they can get into that
36:59straight away and onto it,
37:00that'll help heads.
37:03One of the other things
37:03that they do have
37:05is they help the clubs
37:07actually go down the path
37:09of taking it to the police
37:10and going to the platforms as well.
37:14So it doesn't necessarily
37:15have to be entirely victim-led.
37:19Yeah.
37:19Because that's a big issue,
37:21isn't it?
37:21It's hard.
37:23You don't sort of know
37:23where to go
37:24after these things happen
37:25so, you know,
37:26if that's happening,
37:27you know,
37:27in real time
37:28and they can go to the club
37:29and say,
37:29here's the next steps,
37:30it makes it so much easier
37:32for us boys
37:33just to go and play footy
37:34on the weekend.
37:35Yeah, I think it'll be
37:35a great issue for the club.
37:37The Lions trial
37:38is a fantastic first step.
37:41Even better,
37:43Andrew Dillon,
37:44the AFL CEO,
37:45has agreed to meet.
37:45This is huge.
37:48He's in a position
37:50to help drive real change.
37:52I'll get the chance
37:54to share my findings with him
37:55and I'll be able to ask
37:56about Tanya Hosh too.
37:57Good to see you, mate.
38:01Cheers, man.
38:02Hiya.
38:04So, we've basically been
38:05on a mission
38:06to find out
38:08about what can be done
38:09with racism
38:10in Australian sport
38:11and then,
38:12we've gone overseas,
38:13this is what's working here,
38:14this is what isn't working,
38:16what can we bring back?
38:17So, I guess,
38:18that's kind of the lens
38:19through which we want to talk.
38:21And I suppose
38:22the first question is,
38:23and I know it's a huge question,
38:24but what more do you think
38:25can be done
38:27in the day-to-day
38:28to help protect the players
38:29from the online abuse
38:30that seems to bob up weekly?
38:33I think in the online sphere,
38:34there's opportunities
38:35using technology
38:37to safeguard the players
38:39from that.
38:39I think that's going to be
38:40really important
38:41and I think we have to continue
38:42to be open
38:44for different ways
38:45to deal with this,
38:45you know,
38:46complex issue.
38:47We met with
38:48a UK-based company.
38:50They use AI basically
38:51to track down abuse.
38:53So, the Brisbane Lions
38:54have actually agreed
38:55to bring that on.
38:57Do you think that's something
38:57that the AFL
38:58might think about bringing on?
38:59I think it'll be
39:00really interesting
39:01to learn from the trial
39:02that the Brisbane Lions do.
39:03Yep.
39:04If that goes well,
39:06I think it'll be something
39:06that we could use
39:07at the league
39:08but also make it available
39:10for our other clubs as well.
39:12Yeah.
39:12Back to racism,
39:15why is it so hard
39:16to combat,
39:16do you think?
39:17I think it's because
39:18it is a societal issue
39:21but I think it's one that,
39:23and maybe it's, again,
39:24magnified within the AFL
39:25and the sporting arena
39:26because of the high-profile
39:27nature of it.
39:29I think the only way
39:30through it
39:30is just continued education,
39:32continued awareness
39:33and then calling out the behaviours
39:36when they're seen
39:36and then the appropriate actions
39:38being taken.
39:40And I believe we're in a better space
39:41now than what we were
39:4210 years ago
39:43and 10 years ago
39:44we were in a better space
39:45than where we were 15 years ago.
39:47But I also know that in five years' time
39:48we'll be in a better place
39:49than where we are now.
39:50And on the back of, you know,
39:53great work that's been led
39:54at the AFL
39:55in the last bit
39:56by Tanya Hosh.
39:57I suppose just on that,
39:59like, we know Tanya's position
40:00was made redundant.
40:02That sends a message
40:03one way or the other
40:04to a lot of people
40:05on the outside looking in
40:06that things that aren't
40:07being taken seriously.
40:09Yeah.
40:09What do you say to that?
40:11Well, what I do say
40:12is that it is, you know,
40:14my commitment
40:14and the AFL's commitment
40:15to that work
40:16is as strong as it ever has been.
40:18What I do want, though,
40:19is we need more than one voice.
40:21So more leaders
40:23and more voices
40:23continuing to do this work.
40:25More leaders, of course,
40:27every bit of study
40:28says that it's important.
40:30Where are they?
40:31What are their pipelines?
40:32It's important that there is
40:34that kind of clear pathway.
40:36Yeah, well, I mean,
40:37I think ultimately
40:38we'll get judged
40:38not by our words
40:39but by our actions
40:40and how we continue to evolve.
40:44It was an interesting conversation
40:45with Andrew Dillon.
40:46I'm a little bit concerned
40:47about the way he explained away
40:49Tanya Hosch's redundancy.
40:51That doesn't look so great
40:52and those actions
40:53don't look so great.
40:54On a positive note,
40:55he talked about signifying,
40:57bringing that into the fold
40:58over in the AFL
40:59and that sounds really, really good.
41:01So it'll be interesting
41:02to see where we get to.
41:02At the moment, it's just words.
41:04Time will tell.
41:05It feels like we are making progress
41:10and now our players' coalition
41:12is finally ready to kick off.
41:14But before we charge ahead,
41:16I want to pull a couple
41:17of the key players aside
41:18just to see if they're prepared
41:20for what's coming next.
41:22Having a players' coalition
41:23in Australia
41:24is something that can be so powerful
41:26but it also needs support.
41:28And I think, you know,
41:29the fact that we have
41:31such powerful people
41:32in our corner
41:33is really important.
41:35How do you feel
41:36about being part of this
41:37where, you know,
41:37we're right on the precipice
41:39of hopefully making some change?
41:40Like, I'm excited
41:41but I'm also,
41:42I've got to admit,
41:43I'm a bit nervous
41:43as to what's going to happen
41:45given it's our heads
41:47that are going to be on screen.
41:49I'm excited.
41:49I'm nervous.
41:50I'm nervous about the trials online
41:52but that's why we are doing this
41:54because this is for
41:56the future generations.
41:57Thank you so much
41:57for being part of this, Akech.
41:59Yeah, it's awesome.
42:00No, thank you.
42:01I'm proud of you.
42:02I'm proud of everything
42:03that you've gone through
42:04to put your hands up
42:05and say, you know what,
42:06I'm going to lead this.
42:07That's what leadership looks like.
42:09I think, you know,
42:10we've seen in sport
42:11across the world
42:12that most of the
42:14really important change,
42:15the challenging change,
42:17has to come from the athletes.
42:19And it has to come
42:20from collectives of athletes
42:23who see their fellow
42:24teammates
42:25or see people
42:26within their own sport,
42:27cop this sort of stuff.
42:28And then everyone
42:29speaks out together
42:31and comes together
42:31and say, okay, listen,
42:33we're all with you.
42:34We're all with this person.
42:36Yeah.
42:36So fabulous.
42:38Exactly what should happen
42:39in Australia.
42:41As a coalition,
42:42we can put pressure on
42:43and we want to throw our weight
42:45behind the e-safety
42:46commissioner's recommendations
42:47to fight online abuse
42:50that are sitting
42:50with the federal government.
42:51We need a way
42:55into government
42:56and I've found
42:57the perfect ally,
42:59federal senator
43:00and former Wallabies
43:01captain David Pocock.
43:04I just need to convince him
43:05to join the fight.
43:07Thank you so much
43:08for taking the time.
43:09I know how busy you are.
43:10I'll get straight into it.
43:11How much do you know
43:12about what we're doing here?
43:13I've heard a bit.
43:14I think this is
43:15such an important area
43:16to look into.
43:17I fundamentally believe
43:19in the power of sport
43:21and I don't really think
43:23we're leveraging it
43:25to make positive change
43:27the way that we could.
43:28I mean, sport is so powerful
43:30and I think sport is at its best
43:33when it's actually challenging
43:34society to be more inclusive.
43:37I think it shouldn't be on
43:38people who are maybe different
43:40or don't feel like they fit in
43:42to be the one raising that in sport.
43:44Like, it's on all of us
43:45to create an environment
43:46where people can be who they are.
43:48I think this is
43:49an important conversation
43:50and really trying to find
43:51a way forward
43:52through educating people more,
43:55educating fans
43:56and really trying to use sport
43:57for good to solve
43:58what is, you know,
44:00a really big problem
44:00in our society.
44:02One of the asks,
44:04I guess, we've got to view
44:05and there's only one
44:08is around the e-safety commissioner
44:12and one of the things
44:13that she spoke about
44:15was how high the threshold is
44:17when it comes to her being able
44:20to actually enact her powers
44:22and, yeah, we were just wondering
44:25if there was any way
44:26in which you would be able
44:28to help us lobby.
44:31So, you know,
44:32I think this is something
44:33that the government
44:33was actually talking about
44:35and I think there's
44:36pretty broad consensus
44:37that it's an important step forward
44:39and it would certainly welcome
44:41that a lot of what happens
44:43on social media
44:43is not good for our society
44:45and we have to find ways
44:47to actually deal with that
44:48as communities around the country
44:50if we're going to thrive
44:52into the future.
44:53Would you be able to help us
44:55take this issue to government
44:56and sort of get it ticking along?
44:59Yeah, we'd love to see
45:00what I can do.
45:02I'm happy to raise it
45:03with the government
45:03and see what they bring forward.
45:04But I'm sure the minister
45:06would want to meet with you
45:07and other athletes
45:08and see what we can do.
45:10Oh, mate, awesome.
45:12Thanks for what you're doing.
45:13It's, yeah,
45:13it's a really important thing
45:14to be doing
45:15and good on you.
45:18Oh, man.
45:19See, I'm feeling pretty pumped
45:20right now.
45:21You can probably tell.
45:23I mean, we've been talking
45:25about lobbying government
45:26this whole journey
45:28and that's the first time
45:29we did it.
45:29We actually just lobbied
45:30and we could have good result.
45:32I mean, how good's that?
45:33Yeah, I just,
45:34I guess it's up to us now
45:35to hold up our end of the bargain.
45:45Our love affair with sport
45:47is powerful.
45:49More than three quarters
45:50of us are fans.
45:53Nearly six million
45:54play organised sport.
45:56It reflects who we are.
45:59That's why this fight matters.
46:03And I'm more hopeful now
46:05than when I started this journey.
46:08New approaches in Australia
46:09are catching perpetrators.
46:11A man accused of racially abusing
46:13NBL star Montrez Harrell
46:15via social media
46:16has been charged
46:17following what authorities
46:18have described
46:19as the first ever
46:20successful arrest
46:21in Australian basketball.
46:23Athletes are setting
46:24an example
46:25to future generations.
46:27It's an incident of racism
46:28and the manager
46:29and the players
46:30walked off the pitch
46:31and didn't finish the game
46:31and we supported them.
46:33Sports are taking action
46:34to protect
46:35and harness diversity.
46:38Top Australian athletes
46:40are backing
46:40a players' coalition
46:41to drive social change.
46:45And clubs are trialling
46:46new technologies
46:47to protect players.
46:52This has been
46:53a long and difficult journey.
46:55I want to check back in
46:56with the man
46:57who inspired me
46:58to do this
46:59in the first place.
47:00Mate, good to see you again.
47:02Yeah, you too.
47:03How was the trip?
47:04How's it all seeing with you?
47:05We've shot this now.
47:08I'm nervous.
47:10Whatever happens,
47:11there'll be, you know,
47:12pats on the backs
47:13but there'll also be, you know,
47:14people who disagree, you know,
47:16and actually live
47:18in a country
47:18where that's okay
47:20and I'm okay
47:21with that as well.
47:22I'm okay with disagreement.
47:24We're standing
47:24on the shoulders
47:25of our ancestors.
47:27My mother made it
47:28a little bit easier for me.
47:30I'm making it
47:30a lot easier
47:31for my children
47:33and, you know,
47:34the hope for me,
47:35you know,
47:36moving forward
47:36in this space
47:37is that, you know,
47:39we can all just be seen
47:40as equals,
47:42as Australians.
47:44What we want
47:45in this country
47:45is to be able
47:47to rock up
47:48to a sporting venue,
47:50to be able
47:50to have a social media profile,
47:53to be able
47:53to go to school
47:54and not be vilified
47:56because of who you are
47:57or what you look like.
47:59That's the hope
48:00for future for me.
48:02Yeah, it'd be nice
48:03to leave the house
48:04without putting
48:04the hard hat on,
48:05wouldn't it?
48:06Well done, mate.
48:07I'm proud of you.
48:07It's an incredible journey
48:09you've been on
48:10and I'm glad
48:10to have been part of it.
48:12You're the best, man.
48:13Thanks, Pa.
48:42End game.
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