Can't expect from this government: Omar Abdullah on restoration of J&K statehood

10 months ago

Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah appeared on a special edition of UnPolitics and opened up about the restoration of statehood to the Union Territory, saying that expecting the same government (BJP), who took it away to restore it would be to fool people.

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00:00:00we're thrilled to bits that our next guest has brought us to stunning Srinagar Jammu in Kashmir

00:00:18and our next guest has just finished one year as chief minister a rather tumultuous year he's not

00:00:29very happy because he had hoped that Jammu in Kashmir would have been given the status of a state

00:00:36restored to the status of a state by now you guessed it right our next guest on on politics is mr. Omar

00:00:59some would say that this tenure the last one year has been passive unassertive disappointing in terms

00:01:09of the promises that you had made where your manifesto comes into question would you agree

00:01:14I would I would humbly beg to disagree the restoration of statehood was concerned do you

00:01:20think it would have been restored by now we had hoped there was not only had we hoped I think

00:01:26it would be fair to say that we had expected but it's been a tough year we've had pehel gum we've

00:01:29had floods so you think it should have still been restored I mean in what way was the elected

00:01:36government responsible for pehel gum all the more reason pehel gum should have been the reason why

00:01:40statehood should have been restored there is still an India Alliance we are a part of the India Alliance

00:01:45as far as I know the Congress heads the India Alliance look at what is playing out in Bihar

00:01:50and the reluctance on the part the reluctance on the part of the India block to even name

00:01:56Tejasvi as the chief ministerial candidate I'm sorry but who else is there other than him how was the

00:02:03relationship with the governor it's a working relationship it's a working relationship better

00:02:08worse than the center

00:02:09Mr. Abdullah thank you for accepting our invitation and joining us on politics it's given us an

00:02:23opportunity to escape the dreadful Delhi air even for a few hours but thank you we're very glad to

00:02:30be here in Srinagar and you know I just I want to welcome you to our podcast on politics and of what

00:02:37is the nature of the show I'm sure you're used to very rich introductions but would you you know

00:02:44for the benefit of our viewers and listeners introduce yourself to sure my name is Omar Abdullah I am the

00:02:52chief minister of Jammu and Kashmir this is my second term in office I have been a member of the

00:02:59legislative assembly of Jammu and Kashmir this is my third term and three terms in the Lok Sabha including

00:03:06one stint in the government of India under Prime Minister Vajpayee to begin with Mr. Abdullah to choose

00:03:18politics from the background that you come from I believe your father was reluctant were you reluctant

00:03:24or did something that was what you wanted to do I think sort of we politics and I chose each other

00:03:31I mean there's no denying that born into a political family it makes entry that much easier

00:03:48but it also brings with it a greater degree of scrutiny and additional pressure but I've always said that

00:03:58if you can't take the good you have no business complaining about the bad I know I've heard this

00:04:05said often that my father was reluctant but at the end of the day he was the party president

00:04:11continues to remain the party president he signed off on my mandate to contest parliament elections

00:04:17if he was that reluctant he wouldn't have put his signature to the paper that allowed me to contest

00:04:24on this party ticket so I think we should take a little bit of his reluctance with a tiny pinch of salt

00:04:31you know what is the stereotypes where you come down to where you know familial legacies are concerned

00:04:36because you were the son was it understood that you take forward that legacy or your sisters were interested

00:04:43not necessarily I mean I started early but if I'd started later and one of my sisters had expressed an interest and dived in

00:04:52I don't think anyone in the family least of all my father would have said no no I have to keep this seat warm for the son

00:04:59and the daughter has no place I belong to a family where my grandmother marched shoulder to shoulder with my grandfather

00:05:09she was equally accomplished in the political arena if people called my grandfather Shere Kashmir

00:05:15they called my grandmother Madhri Mehrban the benevolent mother because of her role in the politics of Jammu and Kashmir

00:05:24so your sisters had no interest

00:05:26no yeah my sisters had no interest but no gender bias

00:05:30but no gender bias

00:05:31well that's heartening to note because that usually is not seen in many political families

00:05:36it's always usually the son that takes forward the legacy

00:05:39but at 28 walking into Lok Sabha

00:05:43most of that had to do with privilege and being an advocate

00:05:47well all of it had to do with belonging to a family

00:05:48I'm glad you admit it

00:05:49so you do admit that you're an advocate

00:05:50absolutely I mean how many people get a mandate to contest the parliament election at the age of 28

00:05:56true

00:05:56so I'll be the first person to admit that belonging to a political family opens doors for you

00:06:03but after that it's what you do with those open doors

00:06:06there are any number of people belonging to political families who have stumbled after the first election

00:06:11I've stumbled, I've gotten up again, stumbled again and gotten up again

00:06:16I think after the first election or two elections really it's your own track record

00:06:21it's very little to do with the family that you belong to

00:06:25you don't deliver, you don't come back

00:06:2728 being a Lok Sabha MP

00:06:31and at 31 being the External Affairs Minister of this country

00:06:34under Mr. Wajpai at that point of time

00:06:37and a part of the NBA

00:06:37well slight difference, Minister of State

00:06:39Minister of M.O.S.

00:06:40a little lower in the pecking order

00:06:43would you think that would be a possibility today

00:06:46to be M.O.S.

00:06:48external affairs

00:06:49well I'd like to believe I've outgrown

00:06:50the post of M.O.S.

00:06:52not you but somebody who's Muslim in this current context

00:06:56in this current government no

00:06:57you don't see that ever happening

00:06:58this government has no Muslim ministers

00:07:00we haven't had a Muslim minister for a number of years

00:07:04if I'm not mistaken

00:07:05this current government has no Muslim representation

00:07:08in the Lok Sabha or the Rajya Sabha

00:07:11at least the BJP

00:07:12I'm not sure

00:07:13I think the allies might have

00:07:14no the allies do have

00:07:15but the BJP has no Muslim Lok Sabha or Rajya Sabha members

00:07:19so it's highly unlikely

00:07:23that you will see a Muslim minister

00:07:27much less a Minister of State for External Affairs

00:07:30doesn't fit the narrative

00:07:31stepping down then

00:07:35and focusing on state politics

00:07:36and taking over the mandate of managing the party

00:07:39then coming in as Chief Minister in 2009

00:07:42how would you see that

00:07:43encapsulate that journey

00:07:45let's not forget that in between

00:07:46there was quite a blip

00:07:48I lost an election

00:07:51I lost an assembly election

00:07:53from a seat that was considered a safe family seat

00:07:57we then went from a two thirds majority

00:08:00in the assembly

00:08:01to being an opposition party

00:08:04with the Congress PDP coalition

00:08:06coming into existence

00:08:08and that lasted us for more than five years

00:08:10but then as I said

00:08:12you sort of dust yourself off

00:08:14you go back to the people

00:08:15and you come back with a mandate

00:08:18and that's what we did

00:08:20so yes

00:08:21we had a mandate from the people in 2009

00:08:24and I was Chief Minister

00:08:26until January of 2015

00:08:28Mr. Uddal

00:08:29I'm going to come back to the fact that

00:08:32on your first term as Chief Minister

00:08:34and do you have any regrets

00:08:35in what many had to say

00:08:37of your leadership at that point of time

00:08:39but let's come back to

00:08:40you know

00:08:41the latest

00:08:42you had Rajya Sabha elections yesterday

00:08:44and there were four seats

00:08:46and you managed to win just three

00:08:48one was expecting you'd win all four

00:08:51I don't think just three

00:08:51is quite the right use of the word just

00:08:54we won three out of four

00:08:56but shouldn't you have won all four

00:08:57where the numbers were concerned

00:08:58and the support that you had

00:08:59look the fourth was always going to be touch and go

00:09:01it was literally down to the wire

00:09:04because you needed 29 to win

00:09:06and the BJP already had 28

00:09:08one legislator

00:09:12well not an independent

00:09:15but belonging to a small party

00:09:16had already to the benefit of the BJP

00:09:19said that he would abstain from voting

00:09:21so we started the fourth seat election

00:09:24at a disadvantage

00:09:25that said

00:09:28I'll be the first person to admit

00:09:29and I said as much yesterday

00:09:30that I am disappointed

00:09:32that people who on the face of it

00:09:34promised their support to us

00:09:36obviously went into the polling booth

00:09:38and had already done

00:09:39some sort of deal with the BJP

00:09:41what sort of deal that was

00:09:43that's between them and their conscience

00:09:45but Mr. Abdullah

00:09:46the BJP did defy electoral arthematics

00:09:48they have 28

00:09:49they got 32 votes

00:09:51yes

00:09:51right

00:09:51and this is no secret ballot

00:09:53it's not that

00:09:54people don't know

00:09:55so you do know

00:09:55no it is

00:09:56it is a secret ballot

00:09:57see the only thing I do know

00:09:59you would know by now

00:10:01where the four votes came from

00:10:03every single national conference voter

00:10:05MLA

00:10:06voted for the party candidates

00:10:09so not a single national conference vote

00:10:11went to the BJP

00:10:13now I can't say the same

00:10:15for any of the others

00:10:16because they didn't show their votes

00:10:18to the national conference agent

00:10:20nor are they allowed to

00:10:21the congress showed their votes

00:10:23to their own chief agent

00:10:25the PDP didn't have a chief agent

00:10:27and the independents

00:10:28don't show their votes to anybody

00:10:29so who's to say

00:10:31that four of those independents

00:10:33but you said you were let down

00:10:34do you know who let you down

00:10:35well

00:10:36I think most of the people

00:10:37of Jammu

00:10:38at least most of the people

00:10:39in Kashmir

00:10:39seem to know

00:10:40who the people were

00:10:41who let us down

00:10:42who are those

00:10:44people know

00:10:45we'll leave it at that

00:10:46you got a letter of support

00:10:48from the congress

00:10:49which said that

00:10:49we are putting our differences aside

00:10:51but we are with you

00:10:52did you believe that

00:10:54I

00:10:56they have no reason

00:10:57not to take the congress

00:10:58at face value

00:10:59or the PDP

00:11:01because the three that they had

00:11:02they said they pled support to you

00:11:03yes

00:11:04and I'd like to believe

00:11:05that their support

00:11:06translated into votes

00:11:08but again as I said

00:11:09it's between

00:11:11them and their conscience

00:11:13I do

00:11:13appreciate

00:11:14that they

00:11:15openly announced

00:11:17that they would vote

00:11:17in our favour

00:11:18and we're grateful for that

00:11:20clearly somebody hasn't

00:11:21and it's from the

00:11:21well

00:11:22look

00:11:22the BJP

00:11:24has claimed

00:11:25the winning BJP

00:11:26candidate has claimed

00:11:27that he got

00:11:28four independents

00:11:29that said

00:11:30the speculation

00:11:31on the ground

00:11:32goes a bit beyond that

00:11:34but again

00:11:35what's done

00:11:38is done

00:11:38there is no doubt

00:11:39that over the next few days

00:11:41we will get to know

00:11:42who the people were

00:11:43who didn't vote for us

00:11:45and the people of

00:11:45Jamun Kashmir

00:11:46will know

00:11:46who the people are

00:11:47who

00:11:48on the face of it

00:11:49say they're opposed

00:11:51to the BJP

00:11:51but are quite happy

00:11:53to strike a deal

00:11:53with them

00:11:54and the BJP

00:11:55is well known

00:11:56for being able

00:11:58to manage

00:11:59these sort of things

00:12:00whether

00:12:01by instilling

00:12:03fear in people

00:12:03or by

00:12:05convincing them

00:12:08to shift

00:12:10their support

00:12:11Mr. Abdullah

00:12:12with what

00:12:13how the Rajya Sabha

00:12:14elections have

00:12:15panned out

00:12:15because yes

00:12:16you've won three

00:12:17congratulations on that

00:12:18but you should have

00:12:19won four

00:12:19and

00:12:20well

00:12:21yes

00:12:22winning the fourth

00:12:23was a numerical possibility

00:12:24but I'll again

00:12:25make the point

00:12:26it was always

00:12:27a difficult election

00:12:28to start with

00:12:29it would have been

00:12:30easier for us

00:12:31to win this seat

00:12:32had the Congress

00:12:32agreed to fight it

00:12:33but the Congress

00:12:34said this was an unsafe seat

00:12:35because there are people

00:12:36who are ideologically

00:12:37opposed to the

00:12:38National Conference

00:12:39who perhaps

00:12:40would have found it

00:12:41easier to vote

00:12:41for the Congress

00:12:42but the Congress

00:12:44wanted one of the first

00:12:45two safe seats

00:12:45why

00:12:46that's what they told you

00:12:48well

00:12:48they may have done

00:12:49I made it very clear

00:12:50to the General Secretary

00:12:51in charge of the Congress

00:12:52that that's not a possibility

00:12:54with six MLAs

00:12:56in the House

00:12:56you're not going to be able

00:12:58to tell us

00:12:59to give you a safe seat

00:13:00we are

00:13:01we are the sort of party

00:13:02that

00:13:02when convinced

00:13:05of the argument

00:13:05are happy to make

00:13:06the sacrifice

00:13:07in the Rajya Sabha

00:13:09elections

00:13:09in 2015

00:13:10that seat should have

00:13:12gone to the National Conference

00:13:13my father should have

00:13:15gone to the Rajya Sabha

00:13:16but at that time

00:13:17the Congress

00:13:18appealed to us

00:13:19saying that they want

00:13:20to send

00:13:20Gulam Navi Azad

00:13:21so that he can continue

00:13:22as leader of the opposition

00:13:24and we withdrew our claim

00:13:25on a seat

00:13:26that should have been ours

00:13:27the Congress's demand

00:13:31for a safe seat

00:13:32and how the Rajya Sabha

00:13:34elections played out

00:13:35where at least

00:13:36you know

00:13:37your alliance is concerned

00:13:38because

00:13:38A. Is there an alliance?

00:13:40Of course there's an alliance

00:13:40there is still an India alliance?

00:13:42We are a part of the India alliance

00:13:43and as far as I know

00:13:45the Congress heads

00:13:46the India alliance

00:13:47but you question that

00:13:48many a time

00:13:48saying is there an alliance

00:13:49or not?

00:13:50No, no

00:13:50there is a

00:13:51look

00:13:52I have questioned

00:13:53the modalities

00:13:54of the India bloc

00:13:55from time to time

00:13:56I have talked about

00:13:58the absence

00:13:58of regular meetings

00:14:00and

00:14:00sort of consultation

00:14:02I think

00:14:03there are times

00:14:05when we are

00:14:06our own worst enemies

00:14:06look at what is

00:14:08playing out in Bihar

00:14:09and the reluctance

00:14:10on the part

00:14:11the reluctance

00:14:12on the part

00:14:12of the India bloc

00:14:13to even name

00:14:14Tejasvi

00:14:16as the chief

00:14:17ministerial candidate

00:14:18I'm sorry

00:14:18but who else is there

00:14:19other than him

00:14:20and when

00:14:22this sort of reluctance

00:14:23plays out

00:14:24in the public domain

00:14:25or you have

00:14:26friendly contests

00:14:28we've been victim

00:14:29of these sort of

00:14:30friendly contests

00:14:31in our assembly election

00:14:33a little more

00:14:34than a year ago

00:14:35there is nothing

00:14:37like a friendly contest

00:14:38either you're fighting

00:14:39or you're not fighting

00:14:39and we had seats

00:14:42where a so-called

00:14:43friendly contest

00:14:44the congress guy

00:14:45was abusing us

00:14:46more than the BJP fellow

00:14:47was

00:14:47so

00:14:48these are the things

00:14:51that I've

00:14:52asked questions about

00:14:54but

00:14:55as of now

00:14:56the India bloc

00:14:56exists

00:14:57and we are a part of it

00:14:58how do you think

00:15:01the India bloc

00:15:02has managed

00:15:04things

00:15:04in

00:15:05Bihar

00:15:06especially

00:15:07especially

00:15:07because

00:15:08we still don't know

00:15:09what the seat sharing

00:15:10formula is

00:15:11they've gone into

00:15:12an election

00:15:12well there is no

00:15:13seat

00:15:13I mean

00:15:14the seat sharing

00:15:16formula has left

00:15:17a number of seats

00:15:18unshared

00:15:19surprisingly

00:15:21it was the NDA

00:15:22that had a smoother

00:15:23seat sharing

00:15:25arrangement

00:15:26where everybody

00:15:27expected that

00:15:28they would be

00:15:28the ones

00:15:28that would have

00:15:29the trouble

00:15:30and also

00:15:32look

00:15:32I mean

00:15:33in the case

00:15:34of Jammu and Kashmir

00:15:34the election

00:15:36came at us

00:15:36sort of as a surprise

00:15:38it wasn't

00:15:39as per schedule

00:15:40it was after

00:15:41the intervention

00:15:41of the Supreme Court

00:15:42whereas for Bihar

00:15:43everybody knew

00:15:44that this election

00:15:45was going to happen

00:15:46so why

00:15:48these sort of things

00:15:49are left to the

00:15:49very last minute

00:15:50and then in a number

00:15:51of cases

00:15:51left undone

00:15:52is something

00:15:54that we can only

00:15:55speculate about

00:15:55because we are not

00:15:56on the ground there

00:15:57but you are a part

00:15:58of the alliance

00:15:58yes but

00:15:59this is an alliance

00:16:01that is

00:16:01I mean this is

00:16:02Bihar

00:16:03it is not for

00:16:05the national conference

00:16:06or any other

00:16:07constituent of the

00:16:08India bloc

00:16:09but the systematic

00:16:09issues remain the same

00:16:11which were with you

00:16:11about a year ago

00:16:12well they are

00:16:13it is true

00:16:13the same issues

00:16:14remain in Bihar

00:16:15what we saw

00:16:16in JNK

00:16:17has also played out

00:16:18in Bihar

00:16:19you have

00:16:20you have a situation

00:16:21where one of your

00:16:22other allies

00:16:24in Jarkhand

00:16:25is now

00:16:26sort of

00:16:27I think

00:16:27if I am not mistaken

00:16:28fighting

00:16:30the entire election

00:16:31on their own

00:16:33because they

00:16:33weren't accommodated

00:16:34so

00:16:35I mean

00:16:36there are

00:16:37real issues

00:16:39that crop up

00:16:40from time to time

00:16:41and I think

00:16:41again I make the point

00:16:43part of the reason

00:16:43is because

00:16:44perhaps we don't talk

00:16:45as frequently

00:16:46as we should

00:16:48who do you think

00:16:49is responsible

00:16:50for these issues

00:16:51is it the Congress

00:16:52because it seems

00:16:52to be the Congress

00:16:53well I think

00:16:54it is the collective

00:16:55responsibility

00:16:56of the larger

00:16:56constituents

00:16:57of the India Bloc

00:16:58I don't want

00:16:59to put the blame

00:17:00purely at the door

00:17:01of the Congress

00:17:02it takes two hands

00:17:03to clap

00:17:03in any seat sharing

00:17:05arrangement

00:17:05it has to be agreed

00:17:07by two parties

00:17:07in the case of

00:17:08Jammu and Kashmir

00:17:09it would be unfair

00:17:10on my part

00:17:11to say Congress

00:17:11was solely to blame

00:17:12we also were stubborn

00:17:14on some seats

00:17:14we also felt

00:17:16that it was

00:17:17impossible for us

00:17:20to surrender

00:17:21some of those seats

00:17:22so for me to suggest

00:17:24that Bihar

00:17:25is purely

00:17:25the result

00:17:27of stubbornness

00:17:28or obstinacy

00:17:29on the part

00:17:29of the Congress

00:17:30would be wrong

00:17:30but in a state

00:17:32Mr. Abdullah

00:17:33where the last time

00:17:34the winning margin

00:17:35overall was less

00:17:36than about 13,000 votes

00:17:37to have friendly fights

00:17:38which from 13

00:17:39have now come down

00:17:40to 10

00:17:40is it even plausible

00:17:43to think

00:17:43that this could work

00:17:44look as I said

00:17:46from my own experience

00:17:48friendly fights

00:17:49seldom remain friendly

00:17:50but that's the nature

00:17:54of pre-poll

00:17:55seat sharing arrangements

00:17:56we don't always

00:17:58get it right

00:17:58so you think two things

00:17:59you think

00:18:00A. the Congress

00:18:00should have maybe

00:18:01announced the chief

00:18:02ministerial candidate

00:18:03as Tejasvi

00:18:04well I think

00:18:04we didn't need

00:18:07to be as reluctant

00:18:08as we seem to have been

00:18:09to endorse Tejasvi

00:18:10as the chief

00:18:11ministerial candidate

00:18:12because to my mind

00:18:13I don't think

00:18:14there is anybody else

00:18:15but I will add

00:18:17the caveat that

00:18:18I mean here I am

00:18:19sitting in Srinagar

00:18:20I am not in Patna

00:18:21and then who am I

00:18:24to sort of

00:18:25comment

00:18:26You know you're a big part

00:18:27of the alliance

00:18:27you have agreed

00:18:28Maybe but I mean

00:18:29I think I would

00:18:31I would

00:18:31I would take

00:18:33with a pinch of salt

00:18:34advice that came to me

00:18:36from Bihar

00:18:37as to how to deal

00:18:38with an alliance

00:18:38in Jammu and Kashmir

00:18:39and I'm sure

00:18:40they'll do the same

00:18:41with my advice

00:18:41and fair enough

00:18:42No fair enough

00:18:43but there is

00:18:45a clear and present

00:18:47issue where

00:18:48regional partners

00:18:49of the Congress

00:18:50come into question

00:18:51it's the same story

00:18:52which plays out

00:18:52in West Bengal

00:18:53which is now

00:18:54playing out in Bihar

00:18:55which played out

00:18:55in your state

00:18:56about a year ago

00:18:57so there is an issue

00:18:58Well clearly there is

00:19:00There is an issue

00:19:01which remains

00:19:01unaddressed

00:19:02seat sharing

00:19:03seat sharing

00:19:03with the Congress

00:19:05clearly poses

00:19:07more problems

00:19:08for allies

00:19:09than seat sharing

00:19:10with the BJP

00:19:11and I'm

00:19:12I'm going

00:19:12simply by

00:19:14the experience

00:19:15of let's say

00:19:15Maharashtra

00:19:16and Bihar

00:19:17it seems

00:19:20that one alliance

00:19:21is able

00:19:23to seal

00:19:24their

00:19:24sort of

00:19:25seat sharing

00:19:26a little bit

00:19:26more smoothly

00:19:27than the other

00:19:28is

00:19:28and that is

00:19:32problematic

00:19:32for an alliance

00:19:33you yourself

00:19:36have

00:19:36you know

00:19:37let me put it

00:19:38this way

00:19:39you yourself

00:19:39have said

00:19:40that the Congress

00:19:41needs to earn

00:19:41its space

00:19:42has it earned

00:19:43its space

00:19:43in what context

00:19:46to be the

00:19:47fulcrum of your

00:19:47alliance

00:19:48is there any

00:19:50other party

00:19:50that has a

00:19:51pan India presence

00:19:51is there any

00:19:53other leader

00:19:53that has

00:19:54pan India

00:19:54acceptability

00:19:55we are all

00:19:56confined to our

00:19:57own little

00:19:57areas

00:19:58little or big

00:19:59but we don't

00:20:00go beyond them

00:20:01Tejasvi doesn't

00:20:03go beyond

00:20:04Bihar

00:20:04Akilesh

00:20:07steps out

00:20:09of UP

00:20:09but really

00:20:11his base

00:20:11is there

00:20:12Sharad Pawar

00:20:13doesn't go

00:20:14beyond Maharashtra

00:20:15Mamta Didi

00:20:17doesn't go

00:20:18beyond West

00:20:18Bengal

00:20:18and so on

00:20:20and so forth

00:20:20so has the

00:20:20Congress earned

00:20:21its space

00:20:21because I'm

00:20:22only quoting

00:20:23what you said

00:20:23unless you

00:20:26can show me

00:20:26an alternative

00:20:27national party

00:20:29that can

00:20:30lay claim

00:20:31to a leadership

00:20:32role in an

00:20:34opposition alliance

00:20:35yes the

00:20:35Congress is

00:20:36the fulcrum

00:20:37around which

00:20:38opposition efforts

00:20:40will have to be

00:20:40and the Gandhis

00:20:41need to be

00:20:41the spearhead

00:20:42of that

00:20:42fulcrum

00:20:43well the

00:20:43Gandhis are

00:20:44the fulcrum

00:20:44of the

00:20:44Congress

00:20:45the Congress

00:20:46is the

00:20:46fulcrum

00:20:46of any

00:20:47opposition

00:20:48alliance

00:20:48so as

00:20:49dysfunctional

00:20:49it is

00:20:49it needs

00:20:50to persist

00:20:51as of now

00:20:52I am not

00:20:52going to

00:20:52comment on

00:20:53the internal

00:20:54workings

00:20:54of the

00:20:55Congress

00:20:55party

00:20:55no

00:20:56dysfunctional

00:20:57in terms

00:20:57of because

00:20:58you said

00:21:00that the

00:21:00Congress

00:21:01is yet to

00:21:02earn its

00:21:02pace

00:21:03no I

00:21:03haven't

00:21:03said that

00:21:03I've

00:21:04said the

00:21:04Congress

00:21:04is the

00:21:05natural

00:21:06leader

00:21:06of an

00:21:07alliance

00:21:08and unless

00:21:09and until

00:21:10and unless

00:21:11you have

00:21:12a national

00:21:13alternative

00:21:13which we

00:21:14don't

00:21:15there are

00:21:15only two

00:21:16national

00:21:16parties

00:21:16right now

00:21:17the BJP

00:21:18and the

00:21:18Congress

00:21:19the BJP

00:21:20is on one

00:21:20side of

00:21:21the ideological

00:21:23divide

00:21:24the Congress

00:21:25is on the

00:21:25other

00:21:26we are united

00:21:27around the

00:21:27Congress

00:21:27the Congress

00:21:28has to play

00:21:29that leadership

00:21:30role

00:21:30but at the

00:21:30same time

00:21:31the Congress

00:21:32also needs

00:21:32to realize

00:21:33that this

00:21:34is not

00:21:34the Congress

00:21:34of Indira

00:21:36Gandhi

00:21:36or Rajiv

00:21:37Gandhi

00:21:38this is a

00:21:39Congress

00:21:39that needs

00:21:40to take

00:21:41on board

00:21:41ground

00:21:44realities

00:21:45particularly

00:21:45at a time

00:21:46of seat

00:21:46share

00:21:46not only

00:21:49accommodate

00:21:50be realistic

00:21:51about where

00:21:52regional

00:21:52sort of

00:21:53where they

00:21:54stand

00:21:54where the

00:21:54Congress

00:21:55stands

00:21:55okay

00:21:56Mr. Abdullah

00:21:59you know

00:22:00congratulations

00:22:01are in

00:22:01order

00:22:02you've

00:22:02completed

00:22:02one year

00:22:03in office

00:22:03as the

00:22:05incumbent

00:22:05chief

00:22:05minister

00:22:06but are

00:22:06they truly

00:22:06in order

00:22:07will you

00:22:07take

00:22:07these

00:22:08congratulations

00:22:08well I'll

00:22:09take them

00:22:10for all

00:22:10the work

00:22:10that we've

00:22:11done

00:22:11I'll take

00:22:12them

00:22:12for

00:22:13governing

00:22:14in an

00:22:15extremely

00:22:15difficult

00:22:16situation

00:22:16I'll take

00:22:18them

00:22:18for having

00:22:19to reconcile

00:22:20being chief

00:22:21minister

00:22:21of a

00:22:21union

00:22:22territory

00:22:22where I

00:22:23was chief

00:22:23minister

00:22:24of the

00:22:24most

00:22:24empowered

00:22:25territory

00:22:26in the

00:22:27country

00:22:27for six

00:22:29years

00:22:29between

00:22:292009

00:22:30and

00:22:302015

00:22:31and

00:22:32for

00:22:33all the

00:22:34work

00:22:34that we've

00:22:34done

00:22:35some

00:22:36would say

00:22:36that this

00:22:37tenure

00:22:37the last

00:22:38one year

00:22:38has been

00:22:39passive

00:22:40unassertive

00:22:41disappointing

00:22:41in terms

00:22:42of the

00:22:43promises

00:22:44that you

00:22:44had made

00:22:45where your

00:22:45manifesto

00:22:46comes into

00:22:46question

00:22:47would you

00:22:47agree

00:22:47I would

00:22:48I would

00:22:48humbly

00:22:49beg to

00:22:50disagree

00:22:50we have

00:22:52done

00:22:53I mean

00:22:56I won't

00:22:56say we've

00:22:57done

00:22:57everything

00:22:57but we've

00:23:00done more

00:23:00than

00:23:00scratched the

00:23:01surface

00:23:01and I

00:23:03think it's

00:23:03also important

00:23:04to take

00:23:05on board

00:23:06that no

00:23:07party issues

00:23:08a manifesto

00:23:09for six

00:23:09months or a

00:23:10year and

00:23:10no party

00:23:11fulfills its

00:23:12entire manifesto

00:23:13within one

00:23:13year of coming

00:23:14to power

00:23:14in fact

00:23:15take just

00:23:17the BJP

00:23:18some of their

00:23:18manifesto

00:23:19promises

00:23:19actually took

00:23:20decades

00:23:20to materialize

00:23:22so I'm not

00:23:23even going to

00:23:24give myself

00:23:24that excuse

00:23:25I'm just

00:23:26saying that

00:23:26our manifesto

00:23:27was for a

00:23:27period of

00:23:28five years

00:23:28and I'm not

00:23:29going to get

00:23:30into debating

00:23:30what we've

00:23:31done or what

00:23:31we haven't

00:23:32done

00:23:32five years

00:23:33when we

00:23:34complete our

00:23:34term I'll

00:23:35be more than

00:23:35happy to

00:23:36sit down

00:23:37with a

00:23:39book of

00:23:40accounts and

00:23:41tell you what

00:23:43has been achieved

00:23:43and what hasn't

00:23:44so you're saying

00:23:44there's no point

00:23:45going into the

00:23:45list of 12

00:23:46guarantees that

00:23:47you made and

00:23:47you've possibly

00:23:48only fulfilled

00:23:49one

00:23:49no that's

00:23:50okay

00:23:50we have

00:23:51another four

00:23:52years

00:23:52to fulfill

00:23:53the other

00:23:54one of the

00:23:55biggest

00:23:55sticking points

00:23:56of that

00:23:56was

00:23:57restoration

00:23:58of statehood

00:23:59and the

00:24:00other was

00:24:01article 370

00:24:02article 370

00:24:03we always said

00:24:04we'll keep the

00:24:05issue alive

00:24:05which we have

00:24:05done

00:24:06we passed a

00:24:07resolution in the

00:24:08assembly

00:24:08contrary to what

00:24:09most people

00:24:10believed

00:24:10that resolution

00:24:12was sent to the

00:24:14government of

00:24:14India where it

00:24:15still rests

00:24:15it was not

00:24:16dismissed

00:24:17it was not

00:24:17thrown into a

00:24:18dustbin

00:24:18it was not

00:24:19rejected

00:24:19so it forms

00:24:21the template

00:24:22for any future

00:24:22dialogue

00:24:23that said

00:24:24I have always

00:24:25maintained that

00:24:25to ask the

00:24:26same government

00:24:27that took it

00:24:28away from us

00:24:29to restore it

00:24:30would be to

00:24:31fool people

00:24:31and I'm not

00:24:32ready to do

00:24:32that

00:24:33this government

00:24:34will not be

00:24:34there forever

00:24:35it will be

00:24:36replaced by

00:24:36another government

00:24:37and we have a

00:24:38template for a

00:24:39forward movement

00:24:39when that

00:24:41assembly resolution

00:24:42comes up for

00:24:42discussion

00:24:43so technically

00:24:44if this government

00:24:45lasts its course

00:24:45which would be

00:24:46practically the

00:24:46same interim

00:24:47period of your

00:24:48government

00:24:48that's okay

00:24:49so you do agree

00:24:51and because you've

00:24:52said it in an

00:24:52earlier interview

00:24:53so I just want

00:24:53to come back

00:24:54on that question

00:24:54you do agree

00:24:55that the

00:24:56restoration of

00:24:57article 370

00:24:58is right now

00:24:59not possible

00:25:00at least till

00:25:01this government

00:25:01with this current

00:25:02government obviously

00:25:02who in their

00:25:05right mind

00:25:05believes that

00:25:06this current

00:25:07government is

00:25:07going to give

00:25:08it back to you

00:25:09where the

00:25:10restoration of

00:25:11statehood was

00:25:12concerned do you

00:25:12think it would

00:25:14have been restored

00:25:15by now

00:25:15we had hoped

00:25:16not only had we

00:25:18hoped I think

00:25:18it would be fair

00:25:19to say that we

00:25:19had expected

00:25:20you'd expected

00:25:21it

00:25:21obviously look

00:25:22government of

00:25:22India

00:25:23but you made

00:25:24any promises

00:25:25in parliament

00:25:25and in

00:25:27forget about

00:25:28promises made

00:25:28to me

00:25:29promises were

00:25:30made to the

00:25:31parliament of

00:25:31India and to

00:25:32the supreme

00:25:32court of

00:25:33India

00:25:33that it is a

00:25:34three step

00:25:35process

00:25:35delimitation

00:25:36elections and

00:25:37statehood

00:25:38and the supreme

00:25:40court said that

00:25:40statehood must be

00:25:41restored at the

00:25:42earliest

00:25:42I think by

00:25:44any stretch of

00:25:46it I mean by

00:25:46any way you

00:25:47look at it

00:25:48this is definitely

00:25:49not the earliest

00:25:50in most other

00:25:51judgments if the

00:25:52supreme court had

00:25:53said they wanted

00:25:53something done at

00:25:54the earliest and

00:25:56it hadn't been done

00:25:56for almost two

00:25:57years or more

00:25:58after that I

00:25:59think the supreme

00:26:00court would have

00:26:00come down on that

00:26:01particular government

00:26:02with a pretty heavy

00:26:03stick

00:26:03but it's been a

00:26:04tough year we've

00:26:05had pehelgaam we've

00:26:06had floods

00:26:06so you think it

00:26:09should have still

00:26:09been restored

00:26:10I mean in what

00:26:11way was the

00:26:12elected government

00:26:12responsible for

00:26:13pehelgaam all

00:26:14the more reason

00:26:15pehelgaam should

00:26:16have been the

00:26:16reason why

00:26:17statehood should

00:26:17have been restored

00:26:18this dual system

00:26:19does not work

00:26:20you didn't have

00:26:21a pehelgaam when

00:26:22I was chief

00:26:22minister for six

00:26:23years

00:26:23there were talks

00:26:24around the

00:26:2415th of august

00:26:25that maybe

00:26:26something's going

00:26:27on maybe there

00:26:28would be an

00:26:28announcement

00:26:28we had hope

00:26:30did you hear

00:26:30anything about it

00:26:31we heard

00:26:31you heard or

00:26:32you heard

00:26:33no no we heard

00:26:34alright so

00:26:35you were part of

00:26:36the same

00:26:36nobody from

00:26:37any sort of

00:26:38responsible office

00:26:39whispered anything

00:26:40in my ear

00:26:40but we heard

00:26:42you heard

00:26:42before that

00:26:45you know

00:26:45before you contested

00:26:47the elections

00:26:47there was a

00:26:48time where

00:26:48you said

00:26:48that you

00:26:49never ever

00:26:49contested

00:26:50you didn't

00:26:50want to

00:26:51until

00:26:51restoration of

00:26:53statehood

00:26:54if my party

00:26:54hadn't pushed

00:26:55me to

00:26:55I wouldn't have

00:26:56contested

00:26:57do you regret

00:26:57contesting them

00:26:58do you regret

00:26:58being the chief

00:26:59minister of a

00:26:59union territory

00:27:00well I don't

00:27:00want to say that

00:27:01because I'm here

00:27:02would you

00:27:04okay let me

00:27:04don't say you

00:27:05regret it

00:27:05but let's

00:27:06let me ask you

00:27:07this way

00:27:07if you knew

00:27:08that we'd be

00:27:09sitting here

00:27:10well I knew

00:27:10it was going

00:27:10to be difficult

00:27:11I didn't know

00:27:12it was going

00:27:12to be as

00:27:12difficult as this

00:27:13but if you

00:27:14knew that

00:27:14this was

00:27:15we'd be

00:27:15sitting here

00:27:15and having

00:27:16this conversation

00:27:16we don't have

00:27:17the power

00:27:17to turn back

00:27:18time

00:27:18would you

00:27:19have still

00:27:19contested

00:27:20as I said

00:27:21we don't

00:27:21have the

00:27:21power to

00:27:22turn back

00:27:22time

00:27:22and I'm

00:27:23not the

00:27:24sort of

00:27:24person

00:27:24who lives

00:27:24in the

00:27:25past

00:27:25I am

00:27:26very much

00:27:27the

00:27:27sort of

00:27:27person

00:27:27who

00:27:28learns

00:27:28from

00:27:28the

00:27:28present

00:27:28and

00:27:29looks

00:27:29to

00:27:29the

00:27:30future

00:27:30because

00:27:31there's

00:27:32also a

00:27:32charge

00:27:32especially

00:27:33where your

00:27:33own

00:27:33constituency

00:27:34is

00:27:34concerned

00:27:35that

00:27:35there seems

00:27:36to be

00:27:37a

00:27:37would that be

00:27:37my

00:27:37assembly

00:27:37constituency

00:27:38you being

00:27:42the

00:27:42chief

00:27:42minister

00:27:42of

00:27:43the

00:27:43state

00:27:43and

00:27:43the

00:27:43people

00:27:44who

00:27:44voted

00:27:44for

00:27:44you

00:27:44your

00:27:45own

00:27:45party

00:27:45that

00:27:46Mr.

00:27:49Omar

00:27:49Abdullah

00:27:49has

00:27:49become

00:27:50soft

00:27:51on that

00:27:52cause

00:27:52now

00:27:52to the

00:27:54cause

00:27:54of

00:27:54statehood

00:27:55absolutely

00:27:55not

00:27:56please

00:27:57cite for

00:27:59me

00:27:59a big

00:28:00occasion

00:28:01where

00:28:02statehood

00:28:03has not

00:28:03been at

00:28:04the

00:28:04forefront

00:28:04of

00:28:05my

00:28:05discourse

00:28:05three

00:28:08public

00:28:09functions

00:28:10with

00:28:10the

00:28:11prime

00:28:11minister

00:28:11and

00:28:12in

00:28:12all

00:28:13three

00:28:13public

00:28:13functions

00:28:14statehood

00:28:15was at

00:28:16the

00:28:16forefront

00:28:16of

00:28:18what

00:28:18was

00:28:18talked

00:28:18about

00:28:19the

00:28:20first

00:28:21cabinet

00:28:21meeting

00:28:22we

00:28:22passed

00:28:22a

00:28:22resolution

00:28:23for

00:28:23statehood

00:28:24I

00:28:24took

00:28:24it

00:28:24and

00:28:24handed

00:28:25it

00:28:25over

00:28:25to

00:28:25the

00:28:25prime

00:28:26minister

00:28:26every

00:28:27single

00:28:27meeting

00:28:28I

00:28:28have

00:28:28had

00:28:28with

00:28:28the

00:28:29home

00:28:29minister

00:28:29of

00:28:29India

00:28:30has

00:28:30begun

00:28:31with

00:28:31the

00:28:31subject

00:28:32of

00:28:33the

00:28:33restoration

00:28:33of

00:28:34statehood

00:28:34so

00:28:36please

00:28:36tell

00:28:36me

00:28:37where

00:28:37we

00:28:37have

00:28:37gone

00:28:38soft

00:28:38or

00:28:38silent

00:28:39there

00:28:40hasn't

00:28:40been

00:28:40an

00:28:40occasion

00:28:40when

00:28:41we

00:28:41haven't

00:28:41talked

00:28:41about

00:28:42statehood

00:28:42do

00:28:43you

00:28:43agree

00:28:43that

00:28:44there's

00:28:44a

00:28:44sense

00:28:44of

00:28:44disillusionment

00:28:45that

00:28:45is

00:28:46set

00:28:46amongst

00:28:47your

00:28:47voters

00:28:47a

00:28:48year

00:28:48from

00:28:48now

00:28:49look

00:28:50no

00:28:50government

00:28:51has

00:28:52the

00:28:52same

00:28:53level

00:28:53of

00:28:54public

00:28:54support

00:28:55after

00:28:56an

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00:29:20as

00:29:21chief

00:29:21minister

00:29:21because

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00:29:22it

00:29:22earlier

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00:29:32minister

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00:29:33party

00:29:33to

00:29:33this

00:29:33case

00:29:34Mr.

00:29:36Abdullah

00:29:36do you

00:29:36really

00:29:36think

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00:29:37doing

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00:29:37that

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00:29:41best

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00:29:42chief

00:29:42minister

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00:29:43head

00:29:44of

00:29:44your

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00:29:47statehood

00:29:48is

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00:29:51Jamoon

00:29:51Kashmir

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00:29:52absolutely

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00:29:54would

00:29:54you

00:29:54say

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00:29:55in

00:29:55Ladakh

00:29:56short

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00:30:01Jamoon

00:30:01Kashmir

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00:30:12Ladakh

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00:30:38Ladakh

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00:30:39border

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00:30:42China

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00:31:10made

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00:31:13account

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00:31:14the

00:31:14BJP

00:31:15and

00:31:15the

00:31:15Union

00:31:15government

00:31:16to

00:31:16account

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00:31:17promises

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00:31:22in

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00:31:25will

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00:31:29think

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00:31:29Ladakh

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00:31:38person

00:31:38who

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00:31:54they

00:31:54got

00:31:54it

00:31:55realized

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00:31:56wasn't

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00:31:58utopia

00:31:59that

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00:32:00believed

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00:32:00to

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00:32:07no

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00:32:09sarcasm

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00:32:16territory

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00:32:23trouble

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00:32:24had

00:32:25trouble

00:32:25in

00:32:25Jammu

00:32:25or

00:32:26we

00:32:26had

00:32:26trouble

00:32:26in

00:32:26Kashmir

00:32:27we

00:32:27very

00:32:27seldom

00:32:28if

00:32:28ever

00:32:28had

00:32:28trouble

00:32:29in

00:32:29Ladakh

00:32:30but

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00:32:31this

00:32:31government

00:32:32has

00:32:32done

00:32:32there

00:32:32the

00:32:34arrest

00:32:35of

00:32:35Sonam

00:32:35Wangchuk

00:32:36under

00:32:36NSA

00:32:36similar

00:32:38to

00:32:38the

00:32:38arrest

00:32:39of

00:32:39one

00:32:39of

00:32:39our

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00:32:40PSA

00:32:40what

00:32:41is

00:32:41the

00:32:41justification

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00:32:44the

00:32:45last

00:32:45few

00:32:46years

00:32:46Sonam

00:32:46Wangchuk

00:32:47was

00:32:47your

00:32:47poster

00:32:47boy

00:32:48you

00:32:49could

00:32:49hardly

00:32:49have

00:32:49a

00:32:49government

00:32:50function

00:32:50at

00:32:50which

00:32:50Sonam

00:32:51Wangchuk

00:32:51wasn't

00:32:51present

00:32:52Sonam

00:32:53Wangchuk

00:32:53was

00:32:54beating

00:32:55every

00:32:55drum

00:32:56he

00:32:56could

00:32:56find

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00:32:57and

00:32:58thank

00:32:58Prime

00:32:58Minister

00:32:58Modi

00:32:59for

00:32:59granting

00:33:00UT

00:33:01to

00:33:02Ladakh

00:33:02and

00:33:03now

00:33:03suddenly

00:33:03Sonam

00:33:04Wangchuk

00:33:04is an

00:33:05agent

00:33:05of

00:33:05Pakistan

00:33:06and

00:33:07has

00:33:07to

00:33:07be

00:33:07arrested

00:33:07and

00:33:08sent

00:33:08to

00:33:08Rajasthan

00:33:08how

00:33:09does

00:33:11the

00:33:12BJP

00:33:12reconcile

00:33:14itself

00:33:15you

00:33:16couldn't

00:33:17look

00:33:17at

00:33:18a

00:33:18promotion

00:33:19or

00:33:19promotional

00:33:21video

00:33:22coming out

00:33:23of

00:33:23Ladakh

00:33:24in the

00:33:24last

00:33:24five

00:33:24years

00:33:24without

00:33:25seeing

00:33:25Sonam

00:33:25Wangchuk

00:33:26somewhere

00:33:26and

00:33:27now

00:33:27suddenly

00:33:27he is

00:33:27persona

00:33:28non

00:33:28grata

00:33:28at

00:33:29least

00:33:29Maharaj

00:33:30Malik

00:33:30for

00:33:33all

00:33:33his

00:33:33sins

00:33:34the

00:33:34BJP

00:33:35didn't

00:33:35try

00:33:35and

00:33:35sell

00:33:36him

00:33:36as

00:33:36some

00:33:37poster

00:33:37boy

00:33:37of

00:33:37the

00:33:37politics

00:33:38of

00:33:38Jammu

00:33:38and

00:33:38Kashmir

00:33:39but

00:33:40again

00:33:40no

00:33:41justification

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00:33:42arresting

00:33:43him

00:33:43under

00:33:43PSA

00:33:44whatever

00:33:44else

00:33:45he

00:33:45may

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00:33:45done

00:33:45again

00:33:48there's

00:33:49a hint

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00:33:49sarcasm

00:33:50no

00:33:50sir

00:33:51sarcasm

00:33:52with

00:33:52regard

00:33:52to

00:33:52what

00:33:53in

00:33:54what

00:33:55way

00:33:55am

00:33:58I

00:33:58not

00:33:58stating

00:33:59a

00:33:59fact

00:33:59was

00:34:00he

00:34:00not

00:34:00the

00:34:01poster

00:34:01boy

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00:34:02the

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00:34:03government

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00:34:03the

00:34:04Ladakh

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00:34:06the

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00:34:07four

00:34:07years

00:34:08he

00:34:11was

00:34:11fair

00:34:12point

00:34:12you

00:34:12talk

00:34:13about

00:34:13Sonam

00:34:13Wangchuk

00:34:14being

00:34:14the

00:34:14poster

00:34:14boy

00:34:14of

00:34:14the

00:34:15government

00:34:15maybe

00:34:15not

00:34:15the

00:34:16poster

00:34:16boy

00:34:16but

00:34:16the

00:34:16last

00:34:17one

00:34:17year

00:34:17has

00:34:17seen

00:34:17many

00:34:18instances

00:34:20where

00:34:20you've

00:34:21shared

00:34:21stage

00:34:21with

00:34:22the

00:34:22Prime

00:34:22Minister

00:34:22and

00:34:22many

00:34:23would

00:34:23say

00:34:23maybe

00:34:25not

00:34:25entirely

00:34:26similar

00:34:26but

00:34:26very

00:34:27similar

00:34:27things

00:34:27that

00:34:28you

00:34:28had

00:34:28the

00:34:29chief

00:34:29minister

00:34:30of

00:34:30Jammu and

00:34:31Kashmir

00:34:31I'm

00:34:32the

00:34:32elected

00:34:32chief

00:34:33minister

00:34:33of

00:34:33Jammu and

00:34:34Kashmir

00:34:34last

00:34:35I checked

00:34:36Sonam

00:34:36Wangchuk

00:34:37wasn't

00:34:37the

00:34:37elected

00:34:37chief

00:34:38minister

00:34:38of

00:34:38anywhere

00:34:39what

00:34:39question

00:34:39do

00:34:40you

00:34:40think

00:34:40I'm

00:34:40asking

00:34:40you

00:34:41I

00:34:41mean

00:34:41you're

00:34:42drawing

00:34:42a

00:34:42parallel

00:34:42between

00:34:43Sonam

00:34:44Wangchuk

00:34:44being

00:34:44the

00:34:45poster

00:34:45boy

00:34:45of

00:34:45the

00:34:46union

00:34:46government

00:34:46in

00:34:47Ladakh

00:34:47and

00:34:48my

00:34:48sharing

00:34:48a

00:34:48stage

00:34:48with

00:34:49the

00:34:49Prime

00:34:49Minister

00:34:50Modi

00:34:50in

00:34:51what

00:34:51way

00:34:51in

00:34:51multiple

00:34:52ways

00:34:52praising

00:34:53him

00:34:53a couple

00:34:54of

00:34:54times

00:34:54I can

00:34:55go

00:34:55through

00:34:56the

00:34:56number

00:34:56of

00:34:56tweets

00:34:56where

00:34:57you've

00:34:58thanked

00:34:58the

00:34:58Prime

00:34:58Minister

00:34:58for

00:34:59what

00:34:59for

00:35:00the

00:35:01tunnel

00:35:01the

00:35:02Sonam

00:35:02tunnel

00:35:02to

00:35:02begin

00:35:03with

00:35:03where

00:35:04you

00:35:06speak

00:35:06of

00:35:07the

00:35:08waterfront

00:35:08in

00:35:09Ahmedabad

00:35:09where

00:35:10at

00:35:12what

00:35:12point

00:35:12in

00:35:12my

00:35:13tweet

00:35:13of

00:35:13the

00:35:13waterfront

00:35:14in

00:35:14Ahmedabad

00:35:14did

00:35:14I

00:35:14mention

00:35:15Prime

00:35:15Minister

00:35:15Modi

00:35:16he

00:35:17does

00:35:17come

00:35:17from

00:35:17Gujarat

00:35:18he's

00:35:18the

00:35:18one

00:35:18who

00:35:21made

00:35:21it

00:35:21there

00:35:22have

00:35:22been

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00:35:23not

00:35:23just

00:35:23multiple

00:35:24tweets

00:35:24multiple

00:35:24instances

00:35:25we can

00:35:25go

00:35:25through

00:35:25them

00:35:26I

00:35:26would

00:35:26be

00:35:26more

00:35:26than

00:35:27happy

00:35:27to

00:35:27please

00:35:27do

00:35:27okay

00:35:28so

00:35:29let's

00:35:30go

00:35:30through

00:35:30them

00:35:30but

00:35:31you

00:35:31don't

00:35:31think

00:35:31that

00:35:32the

00:35:34way

00:35:34it

00:35:34was

00:35:34interpreted

00:35:35is

00:35:36that

00:35:36maybe

00:35:37I

00:35:37mean

00:35:38what

00:35:39part

00:35:39of

00:35:39me

00:35:40should

00:35:40be

00:35:40ungrateful

00:35:41thanking

00:35:41Prime

00:35:42Minister

00:35:42Modi

00:35:42for

00:35:42mentioning

00:35:43Kashmir

00:35:43sports

00:35:44culture

00:35:44in

00:35:44Man ki

00:35:45Baath

00:35:45jogging

00:35:46at

00:35:46Sabarmati

00:35:47riverfront

00:35:48because

00:35:52I

00:35:52haven't

00:35:53mentioned

00:35:53Prime

00:35:53Minister

00:35:53Modi

00:35:54anywhere

00:35:54there

00:35:55I

00:35:55was

00:35:55in

00:35:56Ahmedabad

00:35:56I

00:35:56liked

00:35:56where

00:35:58I

00:35:58went

00:35:58fair

00:35:58point

00:35:59okay

00:35:59leave

00:35:59that

00:36:00tunnel

00:36:01comes

00:36:01up

00:36:01as

00:36:03the

00:36:03elected

00:36:04chief

00:36:04minister

00:36:05of

00:36:05the

00:36:05government

00:36:06of

00:36:06Jammu

00:36:06and

00:36:06Kashmir

00:36:07is

00:36:09it

00:36:09wrong

00:36:09on

00:36:10my

00:36:10part

00:36:10to

00:36:10thank

00:36:11the

00:36:11government

00:36:11of

00:36:11India

00:36:12for

00:36:12a

00:36:12crucial

00:36:12piece

00:36:13of

00:36:13infrastructure

00:36:13that

00:36:14had

00:36:15been

00:36:15pending

00:36:16for

00:36:17decades

00:36:17I

00:36:20think

00:36:20you

00:36:20need

00:36:21to

00:36:21draw

00:36:21a

00:36:21distinction

00:36:22between

00:36:23praising

00:36:26the

00:36:27BJP

00:36:27for

00:36:27its

00:36:28agenda

00:36:28and

00:36:30confining

00:36:30myself

00:36:31to

00:36:31a

00:36:32working

00:36:33relationship

00:36:33between

00:36:34an

00:36:34elected

00:36:35government

00:36:35here

00:36:36and

00:36:36the

00:36:37union

00:36:37government

00:36:38there

00:36:38is

00:36:38nothing

00:36:38wrong

00:36:39in

00:36:39having

00:36:39a

00:36:39functional

00:36:39good

00:36:40working

00:36:40relationship

00:36:40with

00:36:41the

00:36:41centre

00:36:41there

00:36:41is

00:36:41nothing

00:36:41wrong

00:36:42in

00:36:42having

00:36:42that

00:36:42but

00:36:42it

00:36:42has

00:36:43been

00:36:43read

00:36:43by

00:36:43many

00:36:43some

00:36:44from

00:36:44your

00:36:44party

00:36:44as well

00:36:45as

00:36:45possibly

00:36:45selling

00:36:46out

00:36:46or

00:36:46maybe

00:36:46walking

00:36:47back

00:36:47to

00:36:47the

00:36:47NDA

00:36:48how

00:36:48it

00:36:49has

00:36:49been

00:36:49said

00:36:49by

00:36:50your

00:36:50own

00:36:50party

00:36:50people

00:36:50at

00:36:51times

00:36:51look

00:36:51the

00:36:54national

00:36:55conference

00:36:55has

00:36:56just

00:36:56taken

00:36:57on

00:36:57the

00:36:57BJP

00:36:58in

00:36:58the

00:36:58Rajya

00:36:59Sabha

00:36:59elections

00:36:59we

00:37:01could

00:37:01just

00:37:02as

00:37:02easily

00:37:02have

00:37:02done

00:37:03an

00:37:03internal

00:37:03arrangement

00:37:043-1

00:37:04we

00:37:06didn't

00:37:06need

00:37:06to

00:37:06fight

00:37:07them

00:37:07we

00:37:08could

00:37:08just

00:37:08as

00:37:09easily

00:37:09have

00:37:09sent

00:37:10an

00:37:10emissary

00:37:10to

00:37:10the

00:37:10government

00:37:11of

00:37:11India

00:37:11and

00:37:11said

00:37:11we

00:37:16fought

00:37:18that

00:37:18election

00:37:19whatever

00:37:19the

00:37:19outcome

00:37:20may

00:37:20have

00:37:20been

00:37:20we

00:37:21have

00:37:21a

00:37:22candidate

00:37:22up

00:37:22against

00:37:22the

00:37:23BJP

00:37:23in

00:37:23Nagarota

00:37:24the

00:37:26Congress

00:37:26refused

00:37:26to fight

00:37:27that

00:37:27seat

00:37:27they

00:37:28stepped

00:37:28back

00:37:28we

00:37:29had

00:37:29to

00:37:29step

00:37:29in

00:37:30even

00:37:30though

00:37:30we

00:37:31would

00:37:31have

00:37:31here

00:37:31for

00:37:31the

00:37:31Congress

00:37:32to

00:37:32fight

00:37:32that

00:37:32election

00:37:33but

00:37:33we

00:37:33didn't

00:37:34want

00:37:34to

00:37:34give

00:37:34the

00:37:34BJP

00:37:35a

00:37:35seat

00:37:36uncontested

00:37:36so

00:37:37we

00:37:37put

00:37:37a

00:37:37lady

00:37:38there

00:37:38to

00:37:38take

00:37:39on

00:37:39the

00:37:39BJP's

00:37:39candidate

00:37:40what

00:37:41in

00:37:41this

00:37:41way

00:37:41points

00:37:42to

00:37:43a

00:37:43man

00:37:45who

00:37:51abstains

00:37:51from

00:37:52voting

00:37:52to

00:37:52benefit

00:37:53the

00:37:53BJP

00:37:53how

00:37:56can

00:37:56you

00:37:56take

00:37:56what

00:37:56he

00:37:56says

00:37:57seriously

00:37:57it's

00:37:58a

00:37:59question

00:37:59whose

00:38:00question

00:38:00that's

00:38:01what he

00:38:02said

00:38:02because

00:38:02you

00:38:03said

00:38:03we

00:38:03could

00:38:03have

00:38:03agreed

00:38:04with

00:38:04the

00:38:04BJP

00:38:05to

00:38:05go to

00:38:053-1

00:38:07but that

00:38:07is what

00:38:08the end

00:38:08result was

00:38:09and

00:38:09Sajjad

00:38:09said

00:38:10this is

00:38:11what I

00:38:11was

00:38:11saying

00:38:11all

00:38:11along

00:38:12that

00:38:12this is

00:38:12going to be

00:38:12a fixed

00:38:13match

00:38:13of 3-1

00:38:13why

00:38:14why didn't

00:38:14Sajjad

00:38:14vote

00:38:15against

00:38:15the

00:38:15BJP

00:38:15because

00:38:16he

00:38:16said

00:38:16he

00:38:16didn't

00:38:16want

00:38:17to

00:38:17participate

00:38:17in

00:38:17the

00:38:17charade

00:38:18how

00:38:18is

00:38:19it

00:38:19a

00:38:19charade

00:38:19that's

00:38:20what

00:38:20he

00:38:20says

00:38:21and

00:38:22I'm

00:38:22asking

00:38:22how

00:38:22is

00:38:23it

00:38:23a

00:38:23charade

00:38:23okay

00:38:25when

00:38:27you

00:38:27know

00:38:28that

00:38:28abstaining

00:38:28from

00:38:29this

00:38:29election

00:38:29helps

00:38:30the

00:38:30BJP

00:38:30how

00:38:32do

00:38:32you

00:38:32justify

00:38:32your

00:38:33abstention

00:38:33if

00:38:35you

00:38:36were

00:38:37willing

00:38:37to

00:38:37take

00:38:38a

00:38:38stand

00:38:38against

00:38:38the

00:38:38BJP

00:38:39as

00:38:39we

00:38:39were

00:38:40you

00:38:41would

00:38:41have

00:38:41voted

00:38:41against

00:38:42the

00:38:42BJP

00:38:42not

00:38:43a

00:38:44single

00:38:44national

00:38:44conference

00:38:45member

00:38:45voted

00:38:46to

00:38:47the

00:38:47advantage

00:38:47or

00:38:48the

00:38:48benefit

00:38:48of

00:38:48the

00:38:48BJP

00:38:49so

00:38:51again

00:38:52I

00:38:52draw

00:38:53the

00:38:53distinction

00:38:53between

00:38:54a

00:38:54working

00:38:55relationship

00:38:55between

00:38:56the

00:38:56elected

00:38:57government

00:38:57of

00:38:57Jammu

00:38:58and

00:38:58Kashmir

00:38:58and

00:38:59an

00:38:59alliance

00:39:00with

00:39:00the

00:39:00BJP

00:39:00we've

00:39:01seen

00:39:01an

00:39:01alliance

00:39:01the

00:39:02PDP

00:39:02and

00:39:02the

00:39:03BJP

00:39:03did

00:39:03one

00:39:03and

00:39:04we

00:39:04suffered

00:39:05on

00:39:05that

00:39:05account

00:39:05what

00:39:06you

00:39:06see

00:39:07today

00:39:07is

00:39:07simply

00:39:08a

00:39:10attempt

00:39:10to

00:39:10walk

00:39:11back

00:39:11to

00:39:12the

00:39:12NDA

00:39:12or

00:39:13a

00:39:14side

00:39:14deal

00:39:14with

00:39:14the

00:39:15government

00:39:15100%

00:39:17no

00:39:18that's

00:39:19not

00:39:19it

00:39:19absolutely

00:39:20none

00:39:20going

00:39:23forward

00:39:23it's

00:39:24been a

00:39:24year

00:39:24where

00:39:25at least

00:39:25statehood

00:39:26hasn't

00:39:26been

00:39:26granted

00:39:2711

00:39:27of

00:39:27your

00:39:2812

00:39:29point

00:39:29manifesto

00:39:30points

00:39:31haven't

00:39:31been

00:39:31delivered

00:39:32is

00:39:32this

00:39:33going

00:39:33to

00:39:33be

00:39:33the

00:39:34way

00:39:34you

00:39:34will

00:39:34conduct

00:39:35yourself

00:39:35which

00:39:36is

00:39:36looking

00:39:36at

00:39:36a

00:39:36good

00:39:36working

00:39:37relationship

00:39:37with

00:39:38the

00:39:38center

00:39:38and

00:39:38continue

00:39:39to

00:39:39push

00:39:39them

00:39:39for

00:39:39statehood

00:39:40we'll

00:39:40take

00:39:40it

00:39:40on

00:39:41a

00:39:41case

00:39:42to

00:39:42case

00:39:42basis

00:39:42on

00:39:43a

00:39:43case

00:39:43to

00:39:44case

00:39:44basis

00:39:44you

00:39:45know

00:39:45because

00:39:45what

00:39:46you

00:39:46do

00:39:46see

00:39:47because

00:39:47there

00:39:47is

00:39:47an

00:39:47imbalance

00:39:48of

00:39:48power

00:39:48where

00:39:48the

00:39:49governor

00:39:49in

00:39:50Kashmir

00:39:51and

00:39:51where

00:39:51the

00:39:52chief

00:39:52minister's

00:39:52office

00:39:52is

00:39:53concerned

00:39:53and

00:39:54one

00:39:54of

00:39:54that

00:39:55you

00:39:55know

00:39:56small

00:39:56example

00:39:57of

00:39:57that

00:39:57was

00:39:58where

00:39:59you

00:39:59were

00:39:59practically

00:40:00manhandled

00:40:01or

00:40:01assaulted

00:40:01not

00:40:02assaulted

00:40:02during

00:40:03martyrs

00:40:03day

00:40:03well

00:40:04I mean

00:40:05manhandled

00:40:06would

00:40:06be

00:40:06manhandled

00:40:07yeah

00:40:07that's

00:40:07something

00:40:08not

00:40:08assaulted

00:40:08but

00:40:08manhandled

00:40:09and

00:40:10is

00:40:11going

00:40:13forward

00:40:13is that

00:40:14going to

00:40:14be the

00:40:15template

00:40:15that

00:40:16you

00:40:16I mean

00:40:17Raj

00:40:17Bhavan is

00:40:18barely a

00:40:18kilometer

00:40:19from here

00:40:19if you

00:40:20can sit

00:40:20him down

00:40:21and ask

00:40:21him

00:40:21well

00:40:22he says

00:40:23what was

00:40:23the need

00:40:23to

00:40:24you know

00:40:24once again

00:40:25announce

00:40:26martyrs

00:40:27day

00:40:27once again

00:40:28you know

00:40:28go in

00:40:29we weren't

00:40:30allowed to

00:40:31go there

00:40:31on the

00:40:31day

00:40:31concerned

00:40:32so we

00:40:32went the

00:40:32next day

00:40:33who is

00:40:34he to

00:40:34tell us

00:40:34not to

00:40:35go

00:40:35how was

00:40:38the

00:40:38relationship

00:40:38with the

00:40:39governor

00:40:39it's a

00:40:40working

00:40:40relationship

00:40:40it's a

00:40:41working

00:40:42relationship

00:40:42better or

00:40:43worse than

00:40:44the center

00:40:44okay

00:40:50it's been

00:40:52now many

00:40:52months since

00:40:53Pehalga

00:40:54and

00:40:55has

00:40:56tourism

00:40:57returned

00:40:57are things

00:40:58better

00:40:58as the

00:40:59chief

00:40:59minister

00:41:00it's

00:41:00slow

00:41:00it's

00:41:00slow

00:41:01you

00:41:06there is

00:41:07no way

00:41:08you can

00:41:08underplay

00:41:09what

00:41:10Pehalga

00:41:11was

00:41:11an attack

00:41:13in which

00:41:14innocent

00:41:14tourists

00:41:15were lined

00:41:16up

00:41:16and killed

00:41:18the way

00:41:18they were

00:41:19was going

00:41:20to have

00:41:20a lasting

00:41:21impact

00:41:22so

00:41:23I think

00:41:24we need

00:41:26to sort

00:41:26of realize

00:41:27and recognize

00:41:28and respect

00:41:29that

00:41:29that said

00:41:31we are

00:41:31making

00:41:32every effort

00:41:32to try

00:41:34and get

00:41:35tourism

00:41:36restarted

00:41:36it's been

00:41:37slow

00:41:37but

00:41:38there have

00:41:40been

00:41:40sort of

00:41:41green shoots

00:41:42of recovery

00:41:44visible

00:41:44and we're

00:41:46trying to give

00:41:46them new

00:41:47experiences

00:41:47we're sitting

00:41:48in one of

00:41:49those

00:41:49beautiful

00:41:49yeah well

00:41:51I mean

00:41:51I think

00:41:54we're also

00:41:54sitting here

00:41:55to try and

00:41:55dispel this

00:41:56notion that

00:41:56nothing gets

00:41:57done

00:41:57this garden

00:41:59was conceived

00:42:00and executed

00:42:01in under six

00:42:01months

00:42:02no it is

00:42:02beautiful

00:42:03you've done

00:42:03a stellar

00:42:03it is

00:42:04lovely

00:42:05I mean

00:42:05we're not

00:42:06without

00:42:07achievements

00:42:08we do hope

00:42:11that winter

00:42:12will be kinder

00:42:13to us

00:42:13than summer

00:42:14and autumn

00:42:15have been

00:42:15and next year

00:42:17is always

00:42:18next year

00:42:19do you think

00:42:20the accountability

00:42:21where Pahal

00:42:22Gam was concerned

00:42:23and the security

00:42:23lapses

00:42:24there hasn't been

00:42:24any accountability

00:42:24that hasn't

00:42:25been fixed

00:42:26who have you

00:42:26held accountable

00:42:27I'm asking you

00:42:28look it's not

00:42:28unfortunately

00:42:29it's not my job

00:42:34unfortunately

00:42:34if it had been

00:42:35I think

00:42:36I think

00:42:38it's safe

00:42:39to say

00:42:40that heads

00:42:42would have rolled

00:42:42look

00:42:44it took about

00:42:4580 days

00:42:45for the

00:42:46lieutenant governor

00:42:47to admit

00:42:47that it was

00:42:48a security failure

00:42:49given that

00:42:50it was a

00:42:51security and

00:42:51intelligence failure

00:42:52I think

00:42:53somebody should

00:42:54have been

00:42:54held to

00:42:54account for it

00:42:55and nothing

00:42:57has happened

00:42:57yet

00:42:58no

00:42:59do you think

00:43:00Pahal Gam

00:43:00has broken

00:43:01the narrative

00:43:02of normalcy

00:43:03that was painted

00:43:03after 2019

00:43:04and the decisions

00:43:05of 2019

00:43:06look

00:43:06you pinned

00:43:07everything that

00:43:08was wrong

00:43:08with Jammu and

00:43:09Kashmir

00:43:09to 370

00:43:10you said

00:43:12that 370

00:43:12is the root

00:43:13cause of

00:43:14separatism

00:43:15it's also

00:43:16the root cause

00:43:16of terrorism

00:43:17and that

00:43:18without 370

00:43:19both separatism

00:43:20and terrorism

00:43:20would end

00:43:21I think

00:43:22Pahal Gam

00:43:22was a reminder

00:43:24that 370

00:43:25was neither

00:43:26the root cause

00:43:27of separatism

00:43:28nor of terrorism

00:43:29and the removal

00:43:31of 370

00:43:32hasn't removed

00:43:33either of those

00:43:33two things

00:43:34but you know

00:43:36data

00:43:36chief minister

00:43:38if you look

00:43:38at it

00:43:39just data

00:43:39post 2019

00:43:40does peak

00:43:41in terms of

00:43:42terrorist attacks

00:43:43that have come

00:43:44down

00:43:44does peak

00:43:45of investment

00:43:46that has gone

00:43:47up

00:43:47you can take

00:43:47data in isolation

00:43:48but when you do

00:43:49sit down

00:43:50and sort of

00:43:51look at data

00:43:51you might want

00:43:52to also look

00:43:53at the data

00:43:53of the six years

00:43:54that I was

00:43:54chief minister

00:43:55every single

00:43:56year

00:43:57the graph

00:43:58of terrorist

00:43:58attacks

00:43:58came down

00:43:59the graph

00:44:00of militants

00:44:01killed

00:44:01went up

00:44:02the graph

00:44:03of security

00:44:03forces

00:44:03killed

00:44:04went down

00:44:04the graph

00:44:05of militant

00:44:06and terrorist

00:44:07violence

00:44:07in Jammu and Kashmir

00:44:08went down

00:44:09this is a fact

00:44:10you can't argue

00:44:11with data

00:44:11you know

00:44:15but if you do

00:44:16look at the

00:44:16finer points

00:44:17do you agree

00:44:17when the government

00:44:18says that the

00:44:19kind of investment

00:44:20that has already

00:44:21come in

00:44:21you know

00:44:21they've promised

00:44:221.63 lakh crores

00:44:23of investment

00:44:24that will come in

00:44:25post 2019

00:44:2650,000 crores

00:44:27of that

00:44:27is already

00:44:28invested

00:44:29do you believe

00:44:29all these figures

00:44:30it's not invested

00:44:31yet

00:44:31you don't believe

00:44:32any of that

00:44:33it's not invested

00:44:34on the ground

00:44:34yet

00:44:35it's in the various

00:44:36stages of

00:44:37operationalization

00:44:38well see

00:44:38that's the thing

00:44:39you want my

00:44:39manifesto to be

00:44:40completed within

00:44:41one year

00:44:41I'm interviewing you

00:44:43no no I'm sorry

00:44:44you want my

00:44:44manifesto to be

00:44:45completed in one year

00:44:46their promises

00:44:47you are very happy

00:44:49to give them

00:44:49as much margin

00:44:50as they'd like to have

00:44:51if I'm going to

00:44:51interview them

00:44:52I will ask them

00:44:52about their promises

00:44:53but I'm interviewing you

00:44:55yes

00:44:56and I'm making

00:44:57the point

00:44:58that

00:44:58if they get a

00:45:01margin

00:45:01for their commitment

00:45:03of 1. whatever

00:45:04lakh crore

00:45:041.63 lakh crores

00:45:06they also say

00:45:07there's been a

00:45:08massive uptick

00:45:09in revenue

00:45:09and I can go

00:45:10into the finer

00:45:10details of that

00:45:11where tax revenue

00:45:13is concerned

00:45:14GSTs increase

00:45:15by 12%

00:45:16excised by 39%

00:45:18GDPs doubled

00:45:19these are government

00:45:21figures

00:45:21doubled from

00:45:221.17 lakh crores

00:45:24in 2015-16

00:45:25to 2.45 lakh crores

00:45:27in 2015-16

00:45:27yes and we still

00:45:28have a hole

00:45:29in our economy

00:45:29I still have to go

00:45:31to Delhi

00:45:31with a begging bowl

00:45:32actually

00:45:32a lot of our

00:45:34manifesto promises

00:45:34were based on

00:45:35exactly data like this

00:45:36we really thought

00:45:38that these people

00:45:39had turned

00:45:40JNK's economy

00:45:40around

00:45:41that we were

00:45:42no longer

00:45:43a state

00:45:44or a union

00:45:45territory

00:45:45you made your

00:45:46data on the

00:45:46government's

00:45:47data points

00:45:48we don't have

00:45:49private data

00:45:50you're relying

00:45:51do you have

00:45:52your own data

00:45:52exactly

00:45:53so we also rely

00:45:54on government

00:45:54data

00:45:54we thought

00:45:56that yes

00:45:56JNK's economy

00:45:58was well and

00:45:59truly

00:45:59sort of

00:46:00turned around

00:46:01and no longer

00:46:02dependent on

00:46:03government of

00:46:04India assistance

00:46:05but that is not

00:46:06true

00:46:06and now you'll

00:46:07tell me

00:46:08that I'm being

00:46:09unnecessarily polite

00:46:10to the government

00:46:10of India

00:46:11but they did

00:46:12give me 5,000 crores

00:46:13over and above

00:46:13what I was due

00:46:14at the end of

00:46:15last year

00:46:15which allowed me

00:46:16to keep my

00:46:17treasury open

00:46:18which allowed me

00:46:18to pay salaries

00:46:19which allowed me

00:46:20to make sure

00:46:21contractors bills

00:46:23didn't go unpaid

00:46:23at the end of

00:46:24the financial year

00:46:25now I can choose

00:46:26to ignore this

00:46:27or I can thank

00:46:28them for it

00:46:29and I've thanked

00:46:30them

00:46:30now if somebody

00:46:31wants to

00:46:31misinterpret

00:46:32that

00:46:33they're welcome

00:46:34to

00:46:34but the point

00:46:35I'm making

00:46:36is that no

00:46:36matter how

00:46:37nice this data

00:46:38looks

00:46:39the fact is

00:46:40that JNK

00:46:41as an economy

00:46:42is still

00:46:43overwhelmingly

00:46:47dependent

00:46:47on government

00:46:49of India

00:46:49for its

00:46:50generosity

00:46:51and that's

00:46:52a huge

00:46:53problem for us

00:46:54what's the plan

00:46:55Chief Minister

00:46:56where JNK

00:46:57is concerned

00:46:58because

00:46:58overtly dependent

00:46:59on tourism

00:47:00as well

00:47:00where the

00:47:01local economy

00:47:01comes into

00:47:02question

00:47:02actually not

00:47:02there's been

00:47:03a huge

00:47:03piece for

00:47:04manufacturing

00:47:04you'd be

00:47:05surprised

00:47:06but Jammu and

00:47:08Kashmir's

00:47:09economy

00:47:09where tourism

00:47:10is concerned

00:47:11the contribution

00:47:12of tourism

00:47:13is far lower

00:47:14than agriculture

00:47:15horticulture

00:47:16and industry

00:47:17tourism actually

00:47:18ranks fourth

00:47:19in terms of

00:47:20its contribution

00:47:20to SGDP

00:47:22that said

00:47:23tourism is

00:47:24an important

00:47:25employer

00:47:26because you've

00:47:27spoken earlier

00:47:28about

00:47:28manufacturing

00:47:30making Jammu

00:47:30and Kashmir

00:47:31a manufacturing

00:47:31hub

00:47:32where are you

00:47:32on that

00:47:33trying to

00:47:34implement

00:47:35the 1.65

00:47:36lakh crore

00:47:37investment

00:47:38that we're

00:47:38supposed to see

00:47:391.63

00:47:40lakh crores

00:47:41that we're

00:47:42trying to see

00:47:42trying to attract

00:47:44more investment

00:47:45into manufacturing

00:47:46and also being

00:47:47realistic

00:47:47about the sort

00:47:48of manufacturing

00:47:48that we can

00:47:49have

00:47:50you're not

00:47:51going to have

00:47:52an automobile

00:47:52hub here

00:47:53you're not

00:47:54going to have

00:47:55heavy industry

00:47:56so industry

00:47:57in the valley

00:47:59that is based

00:48:00around agriculture

00:48:01horticulture

00:48:02value addition

00:48:03into these sectors

00:48:04small and medium

00:48:05scale industry

00:48:06electronics

00:48:08IT

00:48:10and IT

00:48:11enabled services

00:48:12things like that

00:48:13but all of that's only possible

00:48:13because if there is a

00:48:14sense of normalcy

00:48:15because even if you

00:48:16look at it

00:48:16under the tourism plan

00:48:18there was

00:48:18you know

00:48:19I was going

00:48:20through the plan

00:48:21the invitation

00:48:22was for some

00:48:23I think

00:48:23232 hotels

00:48:25that would be made

00:48:26across Jammu

00:48:27and Kashmir

00:48:27and only three

00:48:28big hotel chains

00:48:29have actually decided

00:48:29to do so

00:48:30and enter the market

00:48:31and most of those

00:48:32chains were here

00:48:33before 2019

00:48:33exactly

00:48:34so really

00:48:34that hasn't quite

00:48:35happened

00:48:36so there is no

00:48:37sense of normalcy

00:48:38you agree

00:48:39well then that

00:48:40takes you back

00:48:42to the fundamental

00:48:42reasons for 2019

00:48:44then doesn't it

00:48:45and then

00:48:48and then that

00:48:48but then that also

00:48:50raises the question

00:48:50why is statehood

00:48:52being held hostage

00:48:53to this then

00:48:54but there are

00:48:55other markers

00:48:56that also

00:48:56no no

00:48:57but there are

00:48:58other markers

00:48:58Mr. Abdullah

00:48:59that does define

00:49:00that there has been

00:49:01a sense of

00:49:01let's say

00:49:02a normalcy

00:49:04in terms of security

00:49:05we've had

00:49:05lesser number

00:49:06of incidents

00:49:07we've had

00:49:07lesser number

00:49:08of protests

00:49:08we've had

00:49:09lesser number

00:49:09of harkas

00:49:10you've had

00:49:10an incident

00:49:11that has

00:49:11overshadowed

00:49:12all previous incidents

00:49:13when was the

00:49:14last time

00:49:14you had an

00:49:15incident of the

00:49:15nature of

00:49:16Pahlgaam

00:49:16I'll tell you

00:49:17when

00:49:17never

00:49:18in Srinagar

00:49:20never in

00:49:21Jammu and Kashmir

00:49:22have you had

00:49:23an attack

00:49:24of the nature

00:49:25of Pahlgaam

00:49:26yeah

00:49:26you're right

00:49:27so then

00:49:28going forward

00:49:33from here

00:49:34what's your plan

00:49:35for your state

00:49:36for your

00:49:36the interim term

00:49:37that you have

00:49:38we will work

00:49:39to fulfill

00:49:39our manifesto

00:49:40we will work

00:49:41but your manifesto

00:49:42is built

00:49:43on the data

00:49:43points given

00:49:44by the government

00:49:45and you say

00:49:45that doesn't

00:49:45quite work

00:49:46let's not

00:49:47let's not

00:49:47now

00:49:47the fact is

00:49:51that plus minus

00:49:52our agenda

00:49:53is based

00:49:54around our manifesto

00:49:55and that's

00:49:56what we want

00:49:57to fulfill

00:49:57look you'll hold

00:49:58us to account

00:49:58based on that

00:49:59won't you

00:49:59so clearly

00:50:02we'd like to

00:50:02fulfill as much

00:50:03of that as

00:50:03possible

00:50:04okay on a

00:50:05lighter note

00:50:05before I get

00:50:06into a little

00:50:07bit of your

00:50:08past

00:50:08how do you

00:50:10spend your

00:50:10time

00:50:10what do you

00:50:11do you're

00:50:11quite a fitness

00:50:11freak we do

00:50:12know that

00:50:12through the

00:50:13various videos

00:50:13that you keep

00:50:14posting tweets

00:50:15that you

00:50:15or the social

00:50:17media posts

00:50:17oh yeah I mean

00:50:17I take out a

00:50:18bit of time in

00:50:18the morning to

00:50:19go for a run

00:50:20other than that

00:50:21it's largely work

00:50:22and you run

00:50:23where

00:50:24next door to

00:50:26here

00:50:26where the golf

00:50:26course is

00:50:27you do

00:50:27every day

00:50:28not every day

00:50:29but

00:50:29you've bettered

00:50:30your half marathon

00:50:31timing

00:50:31I've done two

00:50:32now

00:50:32you've done two

00:50:33what's your

00:50:34timing for the

00:50:35half marathon

00:50:35I did the

00:50:36Delhi one in

00:50:371.50 something

00:50:381.53

00:50:391.53

00:50:401.53

00:50:40Srinagar

00:50:41will be slower

00:50:42and you're

00:50:43looking to

00:50:43better that

00:50:43no I won't

00:50:44be able to

00:50:45better it in

00:50:45Srinagar

00:50:46Delhi is flat

00:50:47but Delhi is

00:50:48also terrible

00:50:48air

00:50:49no the air

00:50:49was actually

00:50:50good

00:50:50then

00:50:50I wouldn't

00:50:51have run

00:50:51Delhi if it

00:50:52had been this

00:50:52time of the

00:50:53year

00:50:53October 12th of

00:50:55October was

00:50:55definitely much

00:50:56better

00:50:56how much do you

00:50:57dislike Delhi

00:50:58no I don't

00:50:58dislike Delhi

00:50:59what's there to

00:51:01dislike

00:51:01air is terrible

00:51:02you live in

00:51:03Srinagar

00:51:04if I lived in

00:51:05Srinagar I

00:51:05dislike Delhi

00:51:06no I don't

00:51:07dislike Delhi

00:51:07I couldn't live

00:51:08there permanently

00:51:08but I don't

00:51:09dislike Delhi

00:51:10it's nice to

00:51:10come there once

00:51:11in a while

00:51:11politics is that

00:51:13an advice that

00:51:14you'd give your

00:51:14kids

00:51:15I will not give

00:51:17them any advice

00:51:18but if they

00:51:19wanted to enter

00:51:19politics

00:51:20they're free to

00:51:21do so

00:51:21or would you

00:51:22dissuade them

00:51:22make their own

00:51:23decisions

00:51:23and why

00:51:24shouldn't they

00:51:24left to me

00:51:27I'd much rather

00:51:29they find

00:51:30something else

00:51:30to do

00:51:31but

00:51:31why should I

00:51:34dictate to them

00:51:35what their

00:51:35choices in life

00:51:36will be

00:51:36they'll make

00:51:37their own

00:51:37choices

00:51:37good bad

00:51:38ugly

00:51:38but left to

00:51:39you you'd

00:51:39rather dissuade

00:51:40them

00:51:40I would

00:51:41why that

00:51:42three of us

00:51:43are enough

00:51:44three generations

00:51:44no more

00:51:46what's the

00:51:47price that

00:51:47you've paid

00:51:47personally

00:51:49like I said

00:51:52right in the

00:51:52beginning

00:51:53there's no

00:51:54point complaining

00:51:54about the

00:51:55bad

00:51:55but there has

00:51:57to be a

00:51:57price that

00:51:58you

00:51:58I mean look

00:51:58every

00:51:59sort of

00:52:00choice in

00:52:01life has a

00:52:02price attached

00:52:03to it

00:52:03joining politics

00:52:05is no different

00:52:07to that

00:52:07so be it

00:52:08I mean

00:52:09I went in

00:52:10with my eyes

00:52:11open

00:52:11nobody forced

00:52:12me

00:52:12it was my

00:52:12own decision

00:52:13and as I

00:52:13told you

00:52:14earlier

00:52:14I don't

00:52:15live in the

00:52:15past

00:52:16I really

00:52:16don't

00:52:17I try and

00:52:17learn from

00:52:18it

00:52:18I live in

00:52:19the present

00:52:20and I look

00:52:21to the future

00:52:21so what's

00:52:22done is

00:52:23done

00:52:23dusted

00:52:23you can't

00:52:24change it

00:52:24move on

00:52:25are you

00:52:27religious

00:52:27spiritual

00:52:28religious

00:52:29I'm

00:52:29spiritual

00:52:30but I

00:52:30don't

00:52:31I don't

00:52:31wear my

00:52:32religion

00:52:32on my

00:52:32sleeve

00:52:33I believe

00:52:34it's between

00:52:34me and

00:52:35my Allah

00:52:35and that's

00:52:37how it

00:52:37should be

00:52:38that's that

00:52:39otherwise

00:52:40scientific

00:52:40in nature

00:52:41no not

00:52:41scientific

00:52:42I'm

00:52:43maybe

00:52:45practical

00:52:46also very

00:52:47private as

00:52:47a person

00:52:48I think

00:52:49I get

00:52:49that from

00:52:50my mother

00:52:50from your

00:52:51mother

00:52:51because your

00:52:51father is

00:52:51very different

00:52:52in terms of

00:52:52personality

00:52:53he is right

00:52:54he takes

00:52:55all sorts

00:52:55but he is

00:52:56he is

00:52:56fairly different

00:52:57than

00:52:57in personality

00:52:59talking about

00:53:01your dad

00:53:01are things

00:53:02in terms of

00:53:03you know

00:53:03I think this

00:53:04is the first

00:53:04time where we

00:53:05haven't seen

00:53:05him in any

00:53:06active political

00:53:06room

00:53:07he's 90

00:53:07so that's

00:53:08done

00:53:09no but he's

00:53:09not

00:53:09I mean he's

00:53:10not sort of

00:53:12he's not

00:53:12inactive

00:53:13he's been a

00:53:13little under

00:53:14the weather

00:53:15touchwood

00:53:17he's doing

00:53:18well

00:53:18he was

00:53:19there in

00:53:19the assembly

00:53:20yesterday

00:53:20he was

00:53:21very much

00:53:21part and

00:53:22parcel of

00:53:22the celebrations

00:53:23as our

00:53:23three seats

00:53:24came in

00:53:24he was

00:53:25part and

00:53:26parcel of

00:53:26the regret

00:53:27of not

00:53:28having the

00:53:28fourth seat

00:53:29he was

00:53:29the one

00:53:30who decided

00:53:30who our

00:53:31candidates

00:53:31would be

00:53:32for

00:53:32Bargham

00:53:33and Nagrota

00:53:34he is

00:53:35the party

00:53:35president

00:53:35he is

00:53:36the supremo

00:53:37and he

00:53:38says jump

00:53:38we ask

00:53:38him how

00:53:39high

00:53:39but he's

00:53:40got

00:53:40he's got

00:53:42great humor

00:53:42you know

00:53:43once or twice

00:53:44where I've

00:53:44chatted with

00:53:44him

00:53:45fun

00:53:45do you

00:53:47are you

00:53:47also fun

00:53:48till now

00:53:50you've not

00:53:50been much fun

00:53:50how can I tell

00:53:51you I'm fun

00:53:51no I'm asking

00:53:52you what do

00:53:53your friends

00:53:54think

00:53:54look I mean

00:53:55it's all

00:53:55relative isn't

00:53:56it so compared

00:53:57to him I'm

00:53:57a bore

00:53:58you're a bore

00:53:58really do you

00:53:59read

00:54:00you do

00:54:01you do watch

00:54:02a lot of

00:54:03your Netflix

00:54:04OTT

00:54:05you're into

00:54:07that

00:54:07where's the

00:54:07time these

00:54:08days

00:54:08I do watch

00:54:09I mean I

00:54:09would be lying

00:54:10if I said

00:54:10I don't get

00:54:11time at all

00:54:11I don't get

00:54:12as much time

00:54:13as I would

00:54:13like but

00:54:14I mean one

00:54:15gets time

00:54:15so

00:54:16so what are

00:54:16you reading

00:54:17nowadays

00:54:17what am I

00:54:19reading

00:54:19I don't know

00:54:20I'll have to

00:54:21get back to

00:54:22you on that

00:54:22I'm really

00:54:23bad with

00:54:23names

00:54:23are you

00:54:24reading a

00:54:25book

00:54:25as in

00:54:27like right

00:54:27now

00:54:27I have

00:54:28something on

00:54:28my kindle

00:54:29and you

00:54:29don't know

00:54:30what you're

00:54:30reading

00:54:30I'm bad

00:54:31with names

00:54:32if you

00:54:32were to

00:54:32ask me

00:54:32today

00:54:33how do

00:54:33you not

00:54:33know the

00:54:34name of

00:54:34the book

00:54:34that you're

00:54:35reading

00:54:35okay that's

00:54:37fine

00:54:37we're going to

00:54:39leave it at

00:54:40that

00:54:40no no

00:54:41it's

00:54:42it's

00:54:42I mean

00:54:44do you enjoy

00:54:46food

00:54:46do I enjoy

00:54:47food

00:54:48do I not

00:54:48look like

00:54:49I do

00:54:49I think I

00:54:50enjoy it

00:54:50more than I

00:54:50should

00:54:51I think you're

00:54:51the one who

00:54:51hasn't touched

00:54:52sugar for the

00:54:52last three

00:54:53years

00:54:53no that's

00:54:55actually one of

00:54:55the problems

00:54:56I touch more

00:54:56sugar than I

00:54:57should

00:54:57okay you do

00:54:58so you do

00:54:58enjoy your

00:54:59yeah I mean

00:55:00I would much

00:55:02rather people

00:55:02stop sending

00:55:03sweet stuff to

00:55:04the house

00:55:04because once it

00:55:06comes it

00:55:07seldom goes back

00:55:08unopened

00:55:09somebody was very

00:55:10generous in

00:55:10sending a box

00:55:11of baklava

00:55:12and I've done

00:55:13enormous damage

00:55:14and you're

00:55:16looking forward

00:55:16to skiing this

00:55:17winter

00:55:17I doubt I'll

00:55:19get the time

00:55:20but let's see

00:55:21really I'll make

00:55:22I'm sure you'd

00:55:23make time

00:55:23I'll make

00:55:23look if I

00:55:24can't make

00:55:25time as the

00:55:25chief minister

00:55:25of a union

00:55:26territory

00:55:26I'm definitely

00:55:27not going to

00:55:28make time as

00:55:29the chief minister

00:55:29of a state

00:55:30so I mean

00:55:32I'll take

00:55:33advantages where

00:55:34I can get

00:55:34them

00:55:35I'm going to

00:55:35come back

00:55:35because I have

00:55:36the last 20

00:55:36minutes so I'm

00:55:37going to quickly

00:55:37get back to

00:55:38work which is

00:55:38regrets Mr.

00:55:41Abdullah

00:55:41first term

00:55:43have you had

00:55:44any regrets

00:55:45wasn't it

00:55:45Frank Sinatra

00:55:46who said

00:55:46regrets I have

00:55:47a few but

00:55:48too few to

00:55:48mention

00:55:49too few

00:55:50well I mean

00:55:51like I told you

00:55:52I don't live

00:55:53in the past

00:55:54but sure

00:55:54I mean

00:55:55you can't

00:55:56have a six

00:55:56year term

00:55:57in Jammu

00:55:58and Kashmir

00:55:58and that

00:55:58too of the

00:55:59nature that

00:56:00I had

00:56:00and then say

00:56:01I have no

00:56:01regrets at

00:56:02all

00:56:02I mean

00:56:03I've always

00:56:04said that

00:56:042010

00:56:05will be an

00:56:06overwhelming

00:56:07regret

00:56:07people died

00:56:10and they

00:56:10died on my

00:56:11watch

00:56:11so you

00:56:12regret

00:56:13that bullets

00:56:14were used

00:56:15and 16

00:56:1518 people

00:56:17died during

00:56:18that

00:56:18I will

00:56:19always regret

00:56:19using bullets

00:56:21I will

00:56:22always regret

00:56:22that people

00:56:23died on my

00:56:24watch

00:56:24in that

00:56:26term

00:56:26you

00:56:29made

00:56:29in 2013

00:56:30you made

00:56:31comments on

00:56:31Afzal Guru's

00:56:32hanging

00:56:32where you

00:56:33had said

00:56:34that as the

00:56:35chief minister

00:56:35that the

00:56:37implications

00:56:38would be

00:56:39worrying for

00:56:39generations

00:56:40do you still

00:56:40stand by that

00:56:41that he should

00:56:42not have been

00:56:42hanging

00:56:42I don't

00:56:43believe he

00:56:43should have

00:56:43been

00:56:44why do you

00:56:44say that

00:56:45even today

00:56:45I mean

00:56:45leave it

00:56:46why are we

00:56:47now getting

00:56:47into so far

00:56:48in the past

00:56:49what's done

00:56:50is done

00:56:50I can't

00:56:51bring him

00:56:51back to life

00:56:51but the

00:56:53fact is

00:56:53that if

00:56:54he's still

00:56:54in jail

00:56:55you wouldn't

00:56:55have been

00:56:55asking me

00:56:56about him

00:56:56somebody

00:56:58who's in

00:56:58jail

00:56:59Yasin Malik

00:57:00Mr. Abdullah

00:57:02the fact is

00:57:02at one point

00:57:03of time

00:57:03and your

00:57:04government

00:57:04was also

00:57:05the one

00:57:06who propagated

00:57:06it

00:57:06for surrendering

00:57:07for terrorists

00:57:08to surrender

00:57:08right

00:57:09there is a

00:57:10huge chunk

00:57:10or there is

00:57:11a chunk

00:57:11that today

00:57:11believes

00:57:12well it

00:57:12wasn't just

00:57:13my government

00:57:13I mean

00:57:14we've had

00:57:14a surrender

00:57:15policy

00:57:15much before

00:57:15that

00:57:16my father

00:57:17was chief

00:57:18minister

00:57:19when these

00:57:19leaders

00:57:20went and

00:57:20met

00:57:20deputy

00:57:22prime

00:57:22minister

00:57:22Advani

00:57:23and

00:57:23prime

00:57:23minister

00:57:24Vajpai

00:57:24so that

00:57:25was well

00:57:25before my

00:57:26government

00:57:26came into

00:57:27being

00:57:27exactly

00:57:28so but

00:57:29Mr. Abdullah

00:57:29that there

00:57:30is a

00:57:31section

00:57:31today

00:57:32that

00:57:32believes

00:57:32that there

00:57:33is a

00:57:33moral

00:57:33responsibility

00:57:34where you

00:57:35have a

00:57:35surrender

00:57:35policy

00:57:36and

00:57:37somebody

00:57:37who

00:57:38surrendered

00:57:38to

00:57:39reopen

00:57:39his

00:57:39case

00:57:40in

00:57:41this

00:57:41case

00:57:41Yasin

00:57:41I don't

00:57:42know

00:57:42whether

00:57:42the

00:57:42surrender

00:57:43policy

00:57:43explicitly

00:57:44said

00:57:45that

00:57:45justice

00:57:47will not

00:57:47follow

00:57:48for

00:57:48things that

00:57:49have

00:57:49already

00:57:50been

00:57:50done

00:57:50I mean

00:57:52you would

00:57:53have to

00:57:53look at

00:57:53the fine

00:57:54print

00:57:54I still

00:57:55think

00:57:55that

00:57:56you need

00:57:57to handle

00:57:57these things

00:57:58very carefully

00:57:59because at

00:57:59the end of

00:57:59the day

00:58:00you still

00:58:00have people

00:58:00active on

00:58:01the ground

00:58:02here

00:58:02you're going

00:58:03to want

00:58:04them to

00:58:04give up

00:58:04arms

00:58:05you're going

00:58:06to have

00:58:06to figure

00:58:07out how

00:58:07to do

00:58:07that

00:58:07should

00:58:08his case

00:58:08have been

00:58:08reopened

00:58:09I don't

00:58:10know whether

00:58:10his case

00:58:10was ever

00:58:11closed

00:58:11I think

00:58:12the only

00:58:12thing

00:58:12you're

00:58:12seeing

00:58:13is

00:58:13that

00:58:13now

00:58:13it's

00:58:14now

00:58:14actually

00:58:15reaching

00:58:15a point

00:58:16where

00:58:16a conclusion

00:58:18and here

00:58:19again

00:58:20I mean

00:58:21this is a

00:58:21question for

00:58:22those who

00:58:22went to

00:58:23court and

00:58:23actually stood

00:58:24there and

00:58:24identified him

00:58:25and then

00:58:27sort of

00:58:29tried to

00:58:29justify or

00:58:30explain their

00:58:31actions

00:58:31I don't

00:58:32know

00:58:33because

00:58:33okay

00:58:34let me

00:58:34hark

00:58:34you back

00:58:34you talk

00:58:35about

00:58:35your

00:58:35father's

00:58:36term

00:58:36he's been

00:58:36three times

00:58:37chief minister

00:58:37of your

00:58:38state

00:58:381987

00:58:401987

00:58:42the elections

00:58:44one of the

00:58:45most

00:58:45or the

00:58:46most

00:58:46controversial

00:58:46election

00:58:47that Jammu

00:58:48and Kashmir

00:58:48marked

00:58:48which

00:58:49most say

00:58:50was rigged

00:58:52do you

00:58:52regret that

00:58:53do you

00:58:53think

00:58:53that election

00:58:54could have

00:58:54been

00:58:54handled

00:58:54why are you

00:58:54asking me

00:58:54to regret

00:58:55something

00:58:55I'm not

00:58:56asking you

00:58:56you are

00:58:56I mean

00:58:57you ask

00:58:57me

00:58:57do I

00:58:57regret it

00:58:58I was

00:59:0017

00:59:01I was

00:59:01in school

00:59:02do you

00:59:02regret

00:59:03forget about

00:59:03the word

00:59:04regret

00:59:04do you

00:59:05accept

00:59:05that

00:59:05something

00:59:06wrong

00:59:06happened

00:59:06and

00:59:07should

00:59:07not

00:59:07have

00:59:07happened

00:59:07that

00:59:08election

00:59:08should

00:59:08not

00:59:08have

00:59:08gone

00:59:09down

00:59:09the

00:59:31I

00:59:31will

00:59:31said

00:59:32look

00:59:33there

00:59:35is

00:59:35no

00:59:36smoke

00:59:36without

00:59:36fire

00:59:37that

00:59:37said

00:59:38my

00:59:39understanding

00:59:39of

00:59:39politics

00:59:40and

00:59:4025

00:59:40years

00:59:41of

00:59:41experience

00:59:41is that

00:59:42you

00:59:42can

00:59:42really

00:59:43only

00:59:43rig

00:59:43an

00:59:43election

00:59:44in the

00:59:44general

00:59:44trend

00:59:45in which

00:59:45it's

00:59:45going

00:59:45three

00:59:48it was

00:59:49an

00:59:50alliance

00:59:50election

00:59:50if

00:59:53Faruk

00:59:53Abdullah

00:59:54is

00:59:54responsible

00:59:54for

00:59:54what

00:59:55happened

00:59:55in

00:59:5587

00:59:56so

00:59:56must

00:59:57Mufti

00:59:57Muhammad

00:59:57Sayyad

00:59:57be held

00:59:58responsible

00:59:58because

00:59:59if

01:00:00Faruk

01:00:00Abdullah

01:00:00was

01:00:00head

01:00:01of

01:00:01the

01:00:01national

01:00:01conference

01:00:02Mufti

01:00:02Muhammad

01:00:02Sayyad

01:00:03was

01:00:03head

01:00:03of

01:00:03the

01:00:03Congress

01:00:04how

01:00:06is

01:00:06it

01:00:06that

01:00:06blame

01:00:07is

01:00:07only

01:00:07apportioned

01:00:08to

01:00:08one

01:00:08individual

01:00:09in

01:00:09this

01:00:09alliance

01:00:10and

01:00:10the

01:00:11other

01:00:11individual

01:00:11is

01:00:12almost

01:00:12as if

01:00:13he's

01:00:13done

01:00:13a

01:00:13dhupki

01:00:14in

01:00:14the

01:00:14Ganga

01:00:14and

01:00:15has

01:00:15emerged

01:00:16totally

01:00:16blameless

01:00:17if

01:00:1987

01:00:19is

01:00:19wrong

01:00:20then

01:00:20please

01:00:21apportion

01:00:21blame

01:00:22in

01:00:23sort

01:00:24of

01:00:24in

01:00:25proportion

01:00:26fair

01:00:27point

01:00:27but

01:00:27I

01:00:27ask

01:00:28you

01:00:28this

01:00:28question

01:00:29only

01:00:29on

01:00:29the

01:00:29basis

01:00:29of

01:00:30because

01:00:30you

01:00:30have

01:00:30inherited

01:00:31the

01:00:31legacy

01:00:31of

01:00:31your

01:00:32father

01:00:32so

01:00:32that

01:00:33doesn't

01:00:33exonerate

01:00:34you

01:00:34which

01:00:34is

01:00:34why

01:00:34you

01:00:35are

01:00:35asking

01:00:36me

01:00:36this

01:00:36question

01:00:36and

01:00:37you

01:00:37would

01:00:37be

01:00:37unlikely

01:00:37to

01:00:38have

01:00:38asked

01:00:38any

01:00:38other

01:00:38national

01:00:39conference

01:00:39person

01:00:39the

01:00:40same

01:00:40question

01:00:40of

01:01:03people

01:01:03and

01:01:05people

01:01:06who

01:01:06have

01:01:07inheritance

01:01:08in

01:01:08terms

01:01:08of

01:01:08politics

01:01:09that

01:01:09comes

01:01:09with

01:01:09public

01:01:10life

01:01:10which

01:01:10again

01:01:10which

01:01:11is

01:01:11why

01:01:11I

01:01:11make

01:01:11the

01:01:12point

01:01:12that

01:01:12coming

01:01:14from

01:01:14a

01:01:14political

01:01:14family

01:01:15is

01:01:15not

01:01:16all

01:01:16a

01:01:16bed

01:01:16of

01:01:17chrysanthemums

01:01:17nobody

01:01:18is

01:01:18saying

01:01:18that

01:01:18a

01:01:18lot

01:01:18of

01:01:19people

01:01:19believe

01:01:19that

01:01:19it

01:01:20is

01:01:20the

01:01:21ultimate

01:01:21and

01:01:22that

01:01:22these

01:01:23Nipo

01:01:23baby

01:01:23politicians

01:01:24they

01:01:24have

01:01:25nothing

01:01:25but

01:01:25sort

01:01:26of

01:01:26the

01:01:26good

01:01:27and

01:01:27no

01:01:28bad

01:01:28comes

01:01:28with

01:01:28it

01:01:28I

01:01:33do

01:01:34actually

01:01:34know

01:01:35where

01:01:35they

01:01:35pinch

01:01:35when

01:01:36you

01:01:36say

01:01:36that

01:01:37you

01:01:38know

01:01:38no

01:01:40an

01:01:40election

01:01:40can

01:01:41only

01:01:41be

01:01:41rigged

01:01:41in

01:01:42the

01:01:42direction

01:01:42in

01:01:42which

01:01:42it's

01:01:43going

01:01:43that's

01:01:44generally

01:01:44my

01:01:45your

01:01:45ally

01:01:46and

01:01:46possibly

01:01:47your

01:01:47friend

01:01:47Rahul

01:01:48Gandhi

01:01:48I

01:01:48don't

01:01:48know

01:01:48if

01:01:48you

01:01:48are

01:01:48friends

01:01:49but

01:01:49if

01:01:49you

01:01:49are

01:01:49friends

01:01:50doesn't

01:01:51seem

01:01:51to

01:02:03draw

01:02:03a

01:02:03distinction

01:02:04between

01:02:04what

01:02:04Rahul

01:02:04is

01:02:05talking

01:02:05about

01:02:05and

01:02:05what

01:02:05you

01:02:06and

01:02:06I

01:02:06have

01:02:06talked

01:02:06about

01:02:06what

01:02:07we

01:02:07are

01:02:08talking

01:02:08about

01:02:09is

01:02:0987

01:02:10that's

01:02:11the

01:02:11allegation

01:02:12that

01:02:12ballot boxes

01:02:13were

01:02:13staffed

01:02:14and

01:02:14that

01:02:14sort

01:02:14of

01:02:14stuff

01:02:15what

01:02:15Rahul

01:02:15is

01:02:16talking

01:02:16about

01:02:16is

01:02:17pre-election

01:02:17management

01:02:18rigging

01:02:19voter

01:02:20roles

01:02:20and

01:02:21that's

01:02:21a

01:02:21very

01:02:21different

01:02:21thing

01:02:22excluding

01:02:23legitimate

01:02:23voters

01:02:24who

01:02:25would

01:02:25otherwise

01:02:25vote

01:02:26against

01:02:26the

01:02:26BJP

01:02:27I

01:02:27think

01:02:27he

01:02:27has

01:02:28a

01:02:28point

01:02:28there

01:02:33I

01:02:34still

01:02:34do

01:02:34not

01:02:34believe

01:02:35that

01:02:35there

01:02:35is

01:02:35mass

01:02:35scale

01:02:36rigging

01:02:36of

01:02:36machines

01:02:37but

01:02:37rigging

01:02:38of

01:02:38electoral

01:02:38rolls

01:02:39I

01:02:39think

01:02:39he

01:02:39has

01:02:40a

01:02:40point

01:02:40but

01:02:41because

01:02:43it's

01:02:43Rahul

01:02:44who's

01:02:44saying

01:02:44this

01:02:45there

01:02:45are

01:02:45people

01:02:46who

01:02:46are

01:02:46very

01:02:46quick

01:02:46to

01:02:47dismiss

01:02:47I

01:02:48think

01:02:48some

01:02:48of

01:02:48the

01:02:49evidence

01:02:49that

01:02:49he

01:02:49has

01:02:50put

01:02:50forward

01:02:50it

01:02:51actually

01:02:51warrants

01:02:52a

01:02:53serious

01:02:53look

01:02:54when

01:02:55you

01:02:55go

01:02:55out

01:02:56and

01:02:56you

01:02:56delegitimize

01:02:58a

01:02:59section

01:02:59of

01:02:59the

01:03:00population

01:03:00you

01:03:01take

01:03:01their

01:03:01power

01:03:02of

01:03:02vote

01:03:02away

01:03:02that's

01:03:03basically

01:03:04rigging

01:03:05an

01:03:05election

01:03:05but

01:03:06you're

01:03:06doing

01:03:06it

01:03:07outside

01:03:07of

01:03:07the

01:03:07polling

01:03:07booth

01:03:08you're

01:03:08doing

01:03:09it

01:03:09without

01:03:09touching

01:03:09the

01:03:10ballot

01:03:11box

01:03:11or

01:03:11the

01:03:12machine

01:03:12you're

01:03:13doing

01:03:13it

01:03:13in a

01:03:14more

01:03:14fundamental

01:03:14way

01:03:14you're

01:03:15saying

01:03:15that

01:03:15I

01:03:15can't

01:03:16vote

01:03:16but

01:03:16you

01:03:17can

01:03:17because

01:03:17you

01:03:17know

01:03:18that

01:03:19I

01:03:19won't

01:03:19vote

01:03:19in

01:03:20the

01:03:20direction

01:03:20you

01:03:21want

01:03:21me

01:03:21to

01:03:21vote

01:03:21so

01:03:2287

01:03:22was

01:03:23because

01:03:24it

01:03:24was

01:03:24ballot

01:03:25boxes

01:03:25it

01:03:25was

01:03:31you

01:03:32saying

01:03:32that

01:03:32an

01:03:32election

01:03:32can

01:03:33only

01:03:33be

01:03:33rigged

01:03:33in

01:03:33the

01:03:34direction

01:03:34which

01:03:34it's

01:03:35away

01:03:35that

01:03:35is

01:03:35where

01:03:35I'm

01:03:35making

01:03:36the

01:03:36clarification

01:03:38that

01:03:38what

01:03:39we

01:03:39were

01:03:39talking

01:03:39about

01:03:39with

01:03:4087

01:03:40was

01:03:40not

01:03:41electoral

01:03:42roles

01:03:42and

01:03:42the

01:03:43special

01:03:43intensive

01:03:44revision

01:03:44or whatever

01:03:45it's

01:03:45called

01:03:45the

01:03:45SIR

01:03:46I

01:03:46was

01:03:47talking

01:03:47about

01:03:47purely

01:03:48the

01:03:48context

01:03:49of

01:03:4987

01:03:49and

01:03:50there

01:03:51you

01:03:51think

01:03:51this

01:03:52the

01:03:53allegations

01:03:53that

01:03:53has

01:03:53been

01:03:53made

01:03:54by

01:03:54Rahul

01:03:54have

01:03:55genuine

01:03:55concern

01:03:56I

01:03:56think

01:03:57there

01:03:58are

01:03:58genuine

01:03:58concerns

01:03:59with

01:04:00regard

01:04:00to

01:04:00legitimate

01:04:01voters

01:04:02being denied

01:04:03their right

01:04:04to vote

01:04:04do you

01:04:04think

01:04:04it'll

01:04:05track

01:04:05with

01:04:05the

01:04:05people

01:04:05with

01:04:06what

01:04:06he's

01:04:06saying

01:04:06we'll

01:04:07wait

01:04:07for

01:04:07counting

01:04:07day

01:04:08that's

01:04:09a while

01:04:09away

01:04:10not

01:04:13Bihar

01:04:13but in

01:04:14general

01:04:14because he's

01:04:15not just

01:04:15spoken about

01:04:15Bihar

01:04:16he's

01:04:16spoken

01:04:16about

01:04:16Maharashtra

01:04:17right now

01:04:17it's

01:04:18very much

01:04:18Bihar

01:04:19but the

01:04:19election

01:04:19commission

01:04:19are

01:04:20you

01:04:20hedging

01:04:20bets

01:04:20on that

01:04:21pre

01:04:22election

01:04:23rigging

01:04:24again

01:04:24is

01:04:25something

01:04:25we've

01:04:25seen

01:04:25here

01:04:26nobody

01:04:27talks

01:04:27about

01:04:27it

01:04:28but

01:04:28what

01:04:28was

01:04:28delimitation

01:04:29Jammu

01:04:30and Kashmir

01:04:31delimitation

01:04:32was essentially

01:04:32an exercise

01:04:33to give

01:04:34BJP

01:04:34a stronger

01:04:36foothold

01:04:36than they

01:04:36otherwise

01:04:37would have

01:04:37had

01:04:37you

01:04:38created

01:04:39constituencies

01:04:40purely

01:04:40on

01:04:41how it

01:04:44would

01:04:44benefit

01:04:44the BJP

01:04:45in the

01:04:45elections

01:04:45it's a

01:04:46different

01:04:46matter

01:04:46that it

01:04:47didn't

01:04:47benefit

01:04:47them

01:04:47as much

01:04:48as

01:04:48they

01:04:48liked

01:04:48but

01:04:49that's

01:04:50pre

01:04:50election

01:04:50rigging

01:04:51so

01:04:52I mean

01:04:5387

01:04:53is

01:04:53all

01:04:54well

01:04:55and

01:04:55good

01:04:55talk

01:04:56about

01:04:57what

01:04:57the

01:04:57BJP

01:04:57did

01:04:58here

01:04:58in

01:04:58terms

01:04:59of

01:04:59trying

01:04:59to

01:04:59rig

01:04:59an

01:04:59election

01:05:00last

01:05:01year

01:05:01as

01:05:01long

01:05:01as

01:05:02you

01:05:02speak

01:05:02of

01:05:0387

01:05:04which

01:05:04you

01:05:04did

01:05:04so

01:05:04I'm

01:05:04glad

01:05:05but

01:05:05just for

01:05:08a brief

01:05:08while

01:05:09Mr.

01:05:09Abdullah

01:05:09if you

01:05:10go back

01:05:11of being

01:05:11an

01:05:12MOS

01:05:12external

01:05:13affairs

01:05:13minister

01:05:14and

01:05:15maybe

01:05:15you were

01:05:16young

01:05:16at that

01:05:16point

01:05:16of

01:05:16time

01:05:17but

01:05:17if

01:05:17you

01:05:17view

01:05:17it

01:05:18from

01:05:18the

01:05:18lens

01:05:18of

01:05:19where

01:05:19we

01:05:19stand

01:05:19today

01:05:20do you

01:05:20think

01:05:20we

01:05:20need to

01:05:21continue

01:05:25to

01:05:25despite

01:05:26of

01:05:26what

01:05:26has

01:05:26happened

01:05:26no

01:05:27I

01:05:27think

01:05:27that's

01:05:28where

01:05:28it's

01:05:28important

01:05:28to

01:05:29add

01:05:30the

01:05:30caveat

01:05:31you

01:05:33have

01:05:33to

01:05:34create

01:05:34conditions

01:05:34that are

01:05:35conducive

01:05:35for

01:05:35a

01:05:36dialogue

01:05:36but

01:05:37the

01:05:37onus

01:05:38for

01:05:38creating

01:05:38those

01:05:39conditions

01:05:39today

01:05:39rests

01:05:40on

01:05:40Pakistan

01:05:42needs

01:05:42to

01:05:43realize

01:05:44that

01:05:45it

01:05:45hasn't

01:05:45done

01:05:45nearly

01:05:46enough

01:05:46with

01:05:47India's

01:05:48concerns

01:05:48for

01:05:49Pakistan

01:05:49to be

01:05:50used

01:05:50as

01:05:50a

01:05:51base

01:05:51of

01:05:52terror

01:05:52so

01:05:52right

01:05:52now

01:05:52is

01:05:53not

01:05:53a

01:05:53good

01:05:53time

01:05:53well

01:05:54clearly

01:05:55you

01:05:55just

01:05:55had

01:05:56so

01:05:57what's

01:05:57the

01:05:57cutoff

01:05:58line

01:05:58to

01:05:58that

01:05:58you

01:05:59can't

01:06:00set

01:06:00a

01:06:00cutoff

01:06:00line

01:06:00I

01:06:01can't

01:06:02tell

01:06:03you

01:06:03that

01:06:03we

01:06:03should

01:06:03talk

01:06:03in

01:06:04three

01:06:04months

01:06:04or

01:06:04six

01:06:04months

01:06:05if

01:06:05conditions

01:06:06were

01:06:07conducive

01:06:07you

01:06:07could

01:06:07do

01:06:08it

01:06:08tomorrow

01:06:08so

01:06:09they

01:06:09need

01:06:09to

01:06:09show

01:06:09intent

01:06:10which

01:06:10is

01:06:11Pakistan

01:06:11I

01:06:11think

01:06:11Pakistan

01:06:13will

01:06:14need

01:06:14to

01:06:14do

01:06:14more

01:06:15to

01:06:15create

01:06:16a

01:06:16conducive

01:06:17atmosphere

01:06:17for

01:06:18a

01:06:18meaningful

01:06:18dialogue

01:06:19otherwise

01:06:20they

01:06:20have

01:06:20no

01:06:20business

01:06:21saying

01:06:22that

01:06:22we

01:06:22want

01:06:23to

01:06:23talk

01:06:23should

01:06:24India

01:06:24have

01:06:24played

01:06:24cricket

01:06:25with

01:06:25Pakistan

01:06:25do

01:06:27you

01:06:27watch

01:06:27cricket

01:06:27I

01:06:28do

01:06:28watch

01:06:28cricket

01:06:28and

01:06:30why

01:06:30not

01:06:31what's

01:06:32wrong

01:06:32with

01:06:32a

01:06:33multilateral

01:06:33tournament

01:06:34people

01:06:36were

01:06:36divided

01:06:36then

01:06:37the

01:06:38BCCI

01:06:38mandate

01:06:39of

01:06:39not

01:06:39shaking

01:06:39hands

01:06:40does

01:06:40that

01:06:40add

01:06:40up

01:06:40because

01:06:41if

01:06:41you

01:06:41are

01:06:41playing

01:06:41you

01:06:42might

01:06:42as

01:06:42well

01:06:42shake

01:06:43hands

01:06:43and

01:06:44was

01:06:44it

01:06:44a

01:06:44hockey

01:06:44match

01:06:45where

01:06:45we

01:06:45tapped

01:06:45each

01:06:45other

01:06:46shoulders

01:06:46or

01:06:46did

01:06:46something

01:06:47there

01:06:48was

01:06:48something

01:06:48where

01:06:52we

01:06:52didn't

01:06:52quite

01:06:52shake

01:06:53hands

01:06:53but

01:06:53we

01:06:53tapped

01:06:54shoulders

01:06:55or

01:06:55we

01:06:55did

01:06:55something

01:06:55okay

01:06:56but

01:06:56you

01:06:57think

01:06:57if

01:06:58you

01:06:58are

01:06:58playing

01:06:58you

01:06:58might

01:06:58as

01:06:59well

01:06:59shake

01:06:59hands

01:06:59because

01:07:04India

01:07:04suddenly

01:07:05change

01:07:05of

01:07:05stand

01:07:06with

01:07:06Afghanistan

01:07:06and

01:07:07now

01:07:08practically

01:07:09courting

01:07:10Taliban

01:07:10it's an

01:07:11interesting

01:07:11one

01:07:12how do

01:07:12you

01:07:12view

01:07:12it

01:07:13well

01:07:13I mean

01:07:13look

01:07:13what

01:07:14the

01:07:14Taliban

01:07:14is

01:07:14doing

01:07:14to

01:07:14Pakistan

01:07:15and

01:07:16then

01:07:16you

01:07:16suddenly

01:07:16realize

01:07:17that

01:07:17your

01:07:17enemy's

01:07:17enemy

01:07:18becomes

01:07:18your

01:07:19friend

01:07:19so

01:07:19geopolitically

01:07:22it makes

01:07:22sense

01:07:23taking on

01:07:24from what

01:07:24a union

01:07:26minister

01:07:26has quoted

01:07:27in the

01:07:27newspapers

01:07:27as having

01:07:28said

01:07:28today

01:07:28a country

01:07:29usually

01:07:30takes

01:07:30the

01:07:30decisions

01:07:31that are

01:07:31in

01:07:31its

01:07:31own

01:07:32strategic

01:07:32interests

01:07:33clearly

01:07:34having a

01:07:35better

01:07:35understanding

01:07:36with the

01:07:37Taliban

01:07:37government

01:07:38in

01:07:38Afghanistan

01:07:38is

01:07:39viewed

01:07:40in

01:07:41India's

01:07:41strategic

01:07:41interest

01:07:42as

01:07:42something

01:07:42that

01:07:43needs

01:07:43to

01:07:43be

01:07:43done

01:07:43similar

01:07:44to

01:07:45our

01:07:45justification

01:07:46for

01:07:46buying

01:07:46oil

01:07:47from

01:07:48Russia

01:07:48which

01:07:49we are

01:07:49not

01:07:49really

01:07:49buying

01:07:50anymore

01:07:50or

01:07:51buying

01:07:52we

01:07:52still

01:07:52it's

01:07:53great

01:07:54America

01:07:55says

01:07:55we are

01:07:56not

01:07:56buying

01:07:56we say

01:07:57we are

01:07:57buying

01:07:57let's

01:07:59see

01:07:59what

01:07:59reliance

01:07:59industry

01:08:00says

01:08:00so

01:08:01you

01:08:02think

01:08:02just

01:08:02because

01:08:03it

01:08:03is

01:08:03in

01:08:04India's

01:08:04geopolitical

01:08:05interests

01:08:05especially

01:08:06vis-a-vis

01:08:06Pakistan

01:08:07we need

01:08:07to foster

01:08:08that

01:08:08relationship

01:08:09because

01:08:09it's

01:08:10a very

01:08:10difficult

01:08:10one

01:08:11to

01:08:11explain

01:08:11and

01:08:13then

01:08:13again

01:08:13we end

01:08:13up

01:08:13tying

01:08:14ourselves

01:08:14up

01:08:14in

01:08:14knots

01:08:15we let

01:08:16the

01:08:16Taliban

01:08:17foreign

01:08:17minister

01:08:17come here

01:08:18and have

01:08:18a press

01:08:18conference

01:08:19at which

01:08:19people

01:08:19like

01:08:20yourself

01:08:20are

01:08:20excluded

01:08:21then

01:08:22because

01:08:22there's

01:08:22a

01:08:22huge

01:08:23blowback

01:08:24we

01:08:24then

01:08:25sort

01:08:25of

01:08:25force

01:08:25the

01:08:25guy

01:08:26to

01:08:26have

01:08:26a

01:08:26press

01:08:26conference

01:08:27which

01:08:27is

01:08:27more

01:08:28balanced

01:08:32ideologically

01:08:33sort

01:08:34of

01:08:34so

01:08:34far

01:08:35apart

01:08:35from

01:08:36this

01:08:36current

01:08:36government

01:08:37we have

01:08:37here

01:08:37that

01:08:38it's

01:08:38difficult

01:08:38to

01:08:39imagine

01:08:39what

01:08:39they

01:08:39sit

01:08:40down

01:08:40and

01:08:40actually

01:08:40talk

01:08:41about

01:08:41except

01:08:41for

01:08:41the

01:08:42common

01:08:43goal

01:08:43of

01:08:43not

01:08:43liking

01:08:44Pakistan

01:08:44very

01:08:44much

01:08:45at

01:08:45the

01:08:45moment

01:08:45we'll be

01:08:47reaching the

01:08:48end

01:08:48and we

01:08:48have

01:08:48reached

01:08:49the

01:08:49end

01:08:49I'm

01:08:49going to

01:08:49take

01:08:49just

01:08:49five

01:08:50minutes

01:08:50Mr.

01:08:51Abdullah

01:08:51thank

01:08:51you

01:08:51thank

01:08:52you for

01:08:52sitting

01:08:52out

01:08:52on

01:08:53the

01:08:53sun

01:08:53you

01:08:53don't

01:08:53quite

01:08:53like

01:08:53the

01:08:53sun

01:09:02vitamin

01:09:03D

01:09:04the

01:09:04sun

01:09:06is

01:09:06vitamin

01:09:07D

01:09:07E

01:09:07is

01:09:08your

01:09:08fish

01:09:08today

01:09:09I

01:09:09don't

01:09:09need

01:09:10a

01:09:10capsule

01:09:10in

01:09:11that

01:09:12sense

01:09:12yes

01:09:13but

01:09:13come

01:09:16December

01:09:17when

01:09:17the

01:09:17year

01:09:18turns

01:09:18how

01:09:19are you

01:09:19going

01:09:19to

01:09:19look

01:09:20back

01:09:20are you

01:09:21the

01:09:21one

01:09:21for

01:09:21resolutions

01:09:21or

01:09:22you

01:09:22are

01:09:22too

01:09:22fatalistic

01:09:23about

01:09:23no

01:09:23I

01:09:23mean

01:09:23I

01:09:23am

01:09:23not

01:09:24fatalistic

01:09:24obviously

01:09:25one

01:09:25makes

01:09:25resolutions

01:09:26you

01:09:26seem

01:09:26to

01:09:26be

01:09:26very

01:09:27practical

01:09:27very

01:09:27cut

01:09:28and

01:09:28dry

01:09:28you

01:09:29have

01:09:29taken

01:09:29after

01:09:29your

01:09:29mother

01:09:30you

01:09:30have

01:09:30that

01:09:31grit

01:09:31undertone

01:09:31to

01:09:31you

01:09:32it

01:09:34doesn't

01:09:34lend

01:09:35itself

01:09:35very

01:09:36well

01:09:36to

01:09:36the

01:09:36line

01:09:37of

01:09:37work

01:09:37that

01:09:37I

01:09:37have

01:09:37chosen

01:09:38for

01:09:38myself

01:09:38I

01:09:39should

01:09:39have

01:09:39been

01:09:39a

01:09:39lawyer

01:09:39I

01:09:42have

01:09:43often

01:09:43been

01:09:43told

01:09:43that

01:09:44but

01:09:44I

01:09:44am

01:09:44where

01:09:45I

01:09:45am

01:09:45and

01:09:45so

01:09:45be

01:09:46it

01:09:46takes

01:09:47all

01:09:47sorts

01:09:47so

01:09:48yes

01:09:49the

01:09:49practical

01:09:50side

01:09:50of

01:09:50me

01:09:50is

01:09:51there

01:09:51do

01:09:51you

01:09:53like

01:09:53your

01:09:54afternoon

01:09:54tea

01:09:54where

01:09:55you

01:09:55sit

01:09:55I

01:09:56am

01:09:57more

01:09:57a

01:09:58coffee

01:09:58person

01:09:58okay

01:09:59so

01:09:59not

01:09:59that

01:09:59Brit

01:10:00so

01:10:01what

01:10:02is

01:10:02it

01:10:02how

01:10:03are

01:10:03you

01:10:03going

01:10:03to

01:10:03look

01:10:03that

01:10:03tea

01:10:03is

01:10:03very

01:10:04Hindustani

01:10:04also

01:10:05yeah

01:10:05that's

01:10:06true

01:10:06it's

01:10:06very

01:10:06Hindustani

01:10:07as well

01:10:07it just

01:10:09doesn't go

01:10:09with you

01:10:10I think

01:10:10after this

01:10:10manner

01:10:10I've

01:10:11realized

01:10:11that

01:10:12you

01:10:12have

01:10:12got

01:10:13that

01:10:13massive

01:10:13Brit

01:10:14undertone

01:10:14to

01:10:14you

01:10:15which

01:10:15is

01:10:15there

01:10:15would

01:10:16you

01:10:16say

01:10:16that

01:10:16if

01:10:17you

01:10:17didn't

01:10:18know

01:10:18that

01:10:18my

01:10:18mum

01:10:19was

01:10:19British

01:10:19no

01:10:20but

01:10:20I

01:10:20will

01:10:21say

01:10:21that

01:10:21because

01:10:21I

01:10:21know

01:10:22your

01:10:22mother

01:10:22is

01:10:22British

01:10:22I'll

01:10:23tell you

01:10:23why

01:10:23I

01:10:24assume

01:10:25that

01:10:27I'm

01:10:27not

01:10:27the

01:10:27only

01:10:28practical

01:10:28person

01:10:29in

01:10:29this

01:10:29country

01:10:30there

01:10:31must

01:10:31be

01:10:32at least

01:10:32one

01:10:32or

01:10:32two

01:10:32more

01:10:33people

01:10:33like me

01:10:33Mr.

01:10:33Rabdullahi

01:10:34is just

01:10:34journalistic

01:10:34inquisition

01:10:35because

01:10:35you

01:10:35began

01:10:36with

01:10:36saying

01:10:36I

01:10:36have

01:10:36taken

01:10:37after

01:10:37my

01:10:37mother

01:10:37I

01:10:37am

01:10:38taking

01:10:38your

01:10:38point

01:10:38and

01:10:39extending

01:10:39it

01:10:39further

01:10:40that

01:10:40I

01:10:41mean

01:10:41is

01:10:41your

01:10:41judgment

01:10:42clouded

01:10:42by

01:10:42the

01:10:42fact

01:10:43that

01:10:43you

01:10:43know

01:10:43my

01:10:43mother

01:10:44is

01:10:44British

01:10:44and

01:10:44therefore

01:10:45you

01:10:45sort

01:10:45of

01:10:45put

01:10:45that

01:10:46in

01:10:46but

01:10:46information

01:10:46always

01:10:47lends you

01:10:47to inherent

01:10:48bias

01:10:48but

01:10:49information

01:10:50always

01:10:50lends you

01:10:51to

01:10:51inherent

01:10:51bias

01:10:52I

01:10:52get

01:10:53that

01:10:53but

01:10:53I

01:10:54am

01:10:54asking

01:10:54you

01:10:54are

01:10:54there

01:10:54no

01:10:55practical

01:10:55Kashmiris

01:10:56can

01:10:57it

01:10:58not

01:10:58be

01:10:58possible

01:10:58that

01:10:59the

01:10:59practical

01:10:59side

01:11:00of

01:11:00me

01:11:00is

01:11:01actually

01:11:01a

01:11:01judicious

01:11:02mix

01:11:02of

01:11:02some

01:11:03part

01:11:03Kashmiri

01:11:03and

01:11:04some

01:11:04part

01:11:04But what

01:11:04makes

01:11:04you

01:11:04think

01:11:04all

01:11:05Brits

01:11:05are

01:11:05practical

01:11:05no

01:11:06they

01:11:06are

01:11:06not

01:11:06they

01:11:06just

01:11:06have

01:11:06a

01:11:06stiff

01:11:07upper

01:11:07lip

01:11:07they

01:11:08don't

01:11:09need

01:11:09to

01:11:09be

01:11:09practical

01:11:10it's

01:11:10just

01:11:10the

01:11:10demeanor

01:11:11and

01:11:11the

01:11:11persona

01:11:11most

01:11:13times

01:11:13if

01:11:13the

01:11:13Brits

01:11:14were

01:11:14prone

01:11:14to

01:11:14jallowing

01:11:15putlis

01:11:15they

01:11:15probably

01:11:15jallow

01:11:16yours

01:11:16just

01:11:16on

01:11:17that

01:11:17oh

01:11:18lord

01:11:18that's

01:11:19true

01:11:19but

01:11:20okay

01:11:20so

01:11:20when

01:11:30perhaps

01:11:30with

01:11:30not

01:11:31as

01:11:31much

01:11:31optimism

01:11:31as

01:11:32I

01:11:32started

01:11:33this

01:11:33year

01:11:33but

01:11:34with

01:11:34some

01:11:35degree

01:11:35of

01:11:35hope

01:11:36maybe

01:11:36the

01:11:36optimism

01:11:37will

01:11:37be

01:11:37replaced

01:11:37by

01:11:37hope

01:11:38and

01:11:39if

01:11:39nothing

01:11:39much

01:11:40changes

01:11:40in

01:11:40the

01:11:40next

01:11:41year

01:11:41then

01:11:42I

01:11:43mean

01:11:43even

01:11:43that

01:11:43hope

01:11:44will

01:11:44have

01:11:45you

01:11:45given

01:11:46yourself

01:11:46a

01:11:46time

01:11:46where

01:11:47statehood

01:11:47is

01:11:47concerned

01:11:48that

01:11:48okay

01:11:49I

01:11:49have

01:11:50given

01:11:50myself

01:11:51a

01:11:51time

01:11:51for

01:11:52occupying

01:11:52the

01:11:53office

01:11:53that

01:11:53I

01:11:53currently

01:11:54occupy

01:11:54what

01:11:54is

01:11:54that

01:11:54time

01:11:55leave

01:11:55that

01:11:55that's

01:11:56between

01:11:56me

01:11:56and

01:11:56me

01:11:59and

01:11:59the

01:12:00almighty

01:12:00and

01:12:01the

01:12:01almighty

01:12:01you're

01:12:02not

01:12:02answerable

01:12:03to

01:12:03the

01:12:03almighty

01:12:03there

01:12:03you're

01:12:04answerable

01:12:04to

01:12:04your

01:12:04people

01:12:04I

01:12:05mean

01:12:06sure

01:12:06when

01:12:07I

01:12:08have

01:12:08to

01:12:08tell

01:12:09the

01:12:09people

01:12:09they

01:12:09will

01:12:09know

01:12:10I'm

01:12:11not

01:12:11going

01:12:11to

01:12:13give

01:12:13you

01:12:13that

01:12:14position

01:12:15where

01:12:15you

01:12:16will

01:12:16stand

01:12:17behind

01:12:17me

01:12:17with

01:12:17a

01:12:17stop

01:12:18watch

01:12:18you

01:12:18have

01:12:19already

01:12:19given

01:12:19it

01:12:19I

01:12:20said

01:12:22there

01:12:22is

01:12:22a

01:12:23finite

01:12:23timeline

01:12:24there

01:12:24is

01:12:24a

01:12:25finite

01:12:25timeline

01:12:25and

01:12:26that

01:12:26could

01:12:26very

01:12:26well

01:12:26be

01:12:26before

01:12:27your

01:12:27term

01:12:27ends

01:12:27that

01:12:28is

01:12:29a

01:12:29total

01:12:32waste

01:12:33of

01:12:33time

01:12:33so

01:12:33basically

01:12:34what

01:12:34you're

01:12:34saying

01:12:34is

01:12:35that

01:12:35you've

01:12:35given

01:12:35yourself

01:12:35a

01:12:36finite

01:12:36timeline

01:12:36if

01:12:37we

01:12:37don't

01:12:37get

01:12:37statehood

01:12:38by

01:12:42next

01:12:42year

01:12:43then

01:12:43you're

01:12:44not

01:12:45going

01:12:45to

01:12:45get

01:12:45the

01:12:45answer

01:12:46so

01:12:46you

01:12:46can

01:12:47find

01:12:47as

01:12:47many

01:12:47ways

01:12:47as

01:12:48you

01:12:48like

01:12:48to

01:12:48ask

01:12:48the

01:12:48question

01:12:49and

01:12:50I

01:12:50will

01:12:50continue

01:12:50to

01:12:50I

01:12:51won't

01:12:51ask

01:12:51you

01:12:52the

01:12:52time

01:12:55when

01:12:57the

01:12:57time

01:12:57comes

01:12:57whenever

01:12:58that

01:12:58time

01:12:58is

01:12:58that

01:12:59is

01:12:59between

01:12:59you

01:12:59and

01:13:00your

01:13:00maker

01:13:00so

01:13:01when

01:13:01will

01:13:02you

01:13:02step

01:13:02down

01:13:02is

01:13:03that

01:13:03the

01:13:03what

01:13:03is

01:13:04the

01:13:04other

01:13:04option

01:13:04I'm

01:13:04hardly

01:13:05going

01:13:05to

01:13:05step

01:13:05up

01:13:06I

01:13:06have

01:13:08to

01:13:08ask

01:13:08you

01:13:08this

01:13:08I

01:13:08think

01:13:12when

01:13:12I

01:13:12tell

01:13:12you

01:13:12that

01:13:13if

01:13:14things

01:13:14continue

01:13:14the

01:13:15way

01:13:15they

01:13:15are

01:13:15it

01:13:15is

01:13:16unlikely

01:13:16that

01:13:17I

01:13:17will

01:13:17be

01:13:17in

01:13:17this

01:13:18office

01:13:18when

01:13:18the

01:13:19term

01:13:19of

01:13:19this

01:13:19government

01:13:19ends

01:13:20I

01:13:21think

01:13:21that

01:13:21is

01:13:21as

01:13:22clear

01:13:22as

01:13:22it

01:13:23can

01:13:23be

01:13:23do

01:13:26you

01:13:26have

01:13:26friends

01:13:27a

01:13:28few

01:13:28quite

01:13:29a

01:13:29few

01:13:29a

01:13:30few

01:13:30a

01:13:31few

01:13:31you

01:13:32hang

01:13:32with

01:13:32them

01:13:32often

01:13:32or

01:13:35do

01:13:35as

01:13:35much

01:13:35time

01:13:36as

01:13:36you

01:13:36get

01:13:36look

01:13:36around

01:13:37you

01:13:37I

01:13:37mean

01:13:37they're

01:13:37hidden

01:13:38from

01:13:38sight

01:13:39but

01:13:39I

01:13:40don't

01:13:40usually

01:13:41go

01:13:41anywhere

01:13:41alone

01:13:42so

01:13:43hanging

01:13:43I

01:13:44mean

01:13:45there

01:13:45are

01:13:45what's

01:13:46a

01:13:46conversation

01:13:47with

01:13:47like

01:13:47a

01:13:47friend

01:13:48is

01:13:48it

01:13:48about

01:13:48work

01:13:49it's

01:13:49about

01:13:49you

01:13:50don't

01:13:50remember

01:13:51the

01:13:51name

01:13:51of

01:13:51the

01:13:51books

01:13:51that

01:13:52you're

01:13:52reading

01:13:52so

01:13:52that

01:13:52can't

01:13:53be

01:13:53well

01:13:53no

01:13:53I

01:13:53mean

01:13:53I

01:13:54do

01:13:54often

01:13:54remember

01:13:55them

01:13:55this

01:13:55one

01:13:55I

01:13:56only

01:13:56just

01:13:56started

01:13:57so

01:13:57what's

01:13:58the

01:13:58conversation

01:13:58like

01:13:59with

01:13:59friends

01:13:59are you

01:14:01likeable

01:14:01do they

01:14:02like you

01:14:02I hope

01:14:03they like

01:14:03you

01:14:03when you

01:14:03find

01:14:04a

01:14:04friend

01:14:04of mine

01:14:04please

01:14:04ask

01:14:05them

01:14:05if

01:14:05they've

01:14:06hung

01:14:06around

01:14:06with

01:14:06me

01:14:07for

01:14:07this

01:14:07long

01:14:07you

01:14:08have

01:14:08childhood

01:14:09friends

01:14:09I've

01:14:10got

01:14:10childhood

01:14:10friends

01:14:11I've

01:14:11got

01:14:11friends

01:14:11I've

01:14:11made

01:14:12a little

01:14:12bit

01:14:12more

01:14:12recently

01:14:13but

01:14:14most of

01:14:15my

01:14:15friends

01:14:16are the

01:14:16ones

01:14:16I had

01:14:17before

01:14:17I

01:14:17entered

01:14:17this

01:14:18line

01:14:18of

01:14:18work

01:14:18that's

01:14:19actually

01:14:19a good

01:14:20thing

01:14:20yeah

01:14:21and I

01:14:21went to

01:14:21boarding

01:14:21school

01:14:22and the

01:14:22sort of

01:14:22relationships

01:14:23you form

01:14:23there you

01:14:24don't form

01:14:24anywhere else

01:14:25so I mean

01:14:26those are the

01:14:27sort of

01:14:27guys who

01:14:28I'll meet

01:14:29after years

01:14:30and it's

01:14:31like the

01:14:31years in

01:14:32between

01:14:32just never

01:14:33existed

01:14:33you pick up

01:14:34where you

01:14:34left off

01:14:35and those

01:14:36are the

01:14:37nicest

01:14:37conversations

01:14:38otherwise

01:14:38I'd like to

01:14:40believe that

01:14:40my conversations

01:14:41with friends

01:14:41are no

01:14:41different than

01:14:42yours

01:14:42it's about

01:14:43how your

01:14:43day was

01:14:44what's

01:14:45happening

01:14:45what bothers

01:14:46you

01:14:46what doesn't

01:14:47bother you

01:14:48what you're

01:14:48watching

01:14:48what you're

01:14:49listening to

01:14:50I'm not your

01:14:50friend but I'm

01:14:50just asking for

01:14:51you

01:14:51what bothers

01:14:52you

01:14:52everything to

01:14:54do with

01:14:54Jamun Kashmir

01:14:54at the moment

01:14:55bothers me

01:14:55I mean

01:14:57let's confine

01:14:58myself to

01:14:58that

01:14:59I mean

01:15:00does it

01:15:01bother me

01:15:02that Russia

01:15:03continues to

01:15:04bomb Ukraine

01:15:04yes but

01:15:05is it something

01:15:06I'm going to

01:15:06talk about

01:15:07to my friends

01:15:07does it bother you

01:15:09that your coffee is not

01:15:09as warm or hot as you'd want

01:15:10it to be

01:15:10smaller things

01:15:11sorry what is not as hot

01:15:11your coffee that's what you drink

01:15:13right is not as hot as you'd like it to be

01:15:14does it bother me

01:15:15no I'll just go make another cup

01:15:17small things what irritates you

01:15:18oh a lot of things irritate me

01:15:19give us one

01:15:20yeah a cup of coffee that is

01:15:23colder than it needs to be

01:15:26that irritates me

01:15:28people who can't follow traffic rules

01:15:29they irritate me

01:15:31people who think that

01:15:33people who think that

01:15:33that's a little rich coming from someone

01:15:34who rides in a

01:15:35no I'm sorry

01:15:35but people who think a dual carriageway

01:15:37is only advisory

01:15:39and they can come down the wrong side of the road

01:15:41because they don't want to go a kilometer

01:15:43in the wrong direction to do a U-turn

01:15:45honestly there are times I want to get out

01:15:46and shake them

01:15:48because they don't realize how many people's lives

01:15:50they're putting at risk

01:15:51that's true

01:15:51people who think that wearing a helmet

01:15:53is a favor to the government

01:15:54these are the people who

01:15:56I mean these are

01:15:57I mean these are practical things

01:15:58that that irritate me

01:16:00I want to get out and tell the guy

01:16:01look if you die tomorrow

01:16:02it's your family that's going to be upset

01:16:05I hardly know you

01:16:06so if you wear a helmet

01:16:07and you actually close the chin strap

01:16:10you're not doing me a favor

01:16:11you're doing your family a favor

01:16:12but ase karte hai jase

01:16:14bhagumat pe koi aasaan ho raha ho

01:16:16do you have friends as politicians?

01:16:18a few

01:16:19name them

01:16:20no I won't

01:16:21why?

01:16:21why should I?

01:16:22why not?

01:16:23did you ask me to name friends

01:16:24who aren't politicians?

01:16:25I don't know them

01:16:25but I'm not politicians

01:16:26exactly so then why should I name friends

01:16:27who aren't politicians?

01:16:28you don't want to

01:16:28you get along people from like the BJP

01:16:31I have friends from

01:16:33cutting across party lines

01:16:35yeah

01:16:35good friends

01:16:36friends

01:16:37who's got the best sense of humor?

01:16:39who's got the best sense of humor?

01:16:42give that name you could give

01:16:43who you sit and chat with

01:16:46well I mean

01:16:48Supriya Sule has been known

01:16:50Supriya Sule

01:16:51a lot of people have given her name

01:16:53yeah

01:16:54okay Supriya Sule

01:16:55she's

01:16:56sort of

01:16:57she doesn't

01:16:58take

01:16:59she doesn't suffer a fool lightly

01:17:01and

01:17:01yeah

01:17:03when she sort of

01:17:04gets going

01:17:05she knows how to

01:17:06yeah

01:17:07since you asked me

01:17:09from the political side

01:17:10from

01:17:11yeah

01:17:11I will ask you

01:17:12and again I'll make the point

01:17:13look

01:17:13as far as I'm concerned

01:17:16you're my political opponent

01:17:18you're not my enemy

01:17:20and therefore

01:17:22if I can have

01:17:23a meaningful conversation

01:17:25or I can have a

01:17:27sort of a friendly

01:17:28back and forth with you

01:17:30what's the harm?

01:17:32I will oppose you

01:17:33on your politics

01:17:34to the best extent possible

01:17:36but it doesn't mean

01:17:37I have to hate you

01:17:38Mr Abdulla

01:17:40one final word

01:17:41to

01:17:41the people of Jammu and Kashmir

01:17:44because some of them today

01:17:46you know

01:17:46you might say that

01:17:47you know

01:17:47it's okay to get disillusioned

01:17:49time and in a day

01:17:49it's not okay

01:17:50but some of them are disillusioned

01:17:52obviously one would prefer them

01:17:53not to be disillusioned

01:17:54so okay

01:17:55what is it that you'd like to say to them

01:17:56just keep the faith

01:17:57these are not easy times

01:17:59this is not the easiest environment

01:18:01within which to govern

01:18:03we will deliver on our promises

01:18:06we have made a start

01:18:08it is nobody's claim

01:18:09that we have done everything

01:18:10but nobody can make a claim

01:18:12that we've done nothing at all

01:18:14well begun is half done

01:18:15but it's half done

01:18:16and we'll do the rest

01:18:17thank you for taking the time out sir

01:18:19thank you

01:18:19we really appreciate it

01:18:21thank you

01:18:33thank you

01:18:34thank you

Can't expect from this government: Omar Abdullah on restoration of J&K statehood

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