00:00Huge WWE plans for Braun Breaker, the latest update on Seth Rollins, and a Chris Jericho
00:06and AEW breaking up?
00:08I'm Oli Davis, and this is the WrestleTalk News.
00:13It's a sign of just how slow Triple H's booking can be when a faction lasted six months
00:20before one turned on the other.
00:21In the Vince days, that'd be considered the new Mega Powers Explode War & Peace edition.
00:25The faction break happened in the closing moments of Monday's episode of Raw, where
00:29just six months after forming, Braun Breaker breakered up The Vision by spearing Seth Rollins.
00:36But up until last weekend, this wasn't the plan.
00:39It was reportedly Seth injuring his shoulder at Saturday's Crown Jewel Perth PLE that
00:44has forced The Angle to take place now.
00:47Fightful have reported that The Vision was meant to stay together until at least 2026, with
00:53likely the next six months being laid out, which went a little something like this.
00:57The next big WWE event is Saturday Night's main event on the 1st of November.
01:02This was originally planned to have Rollins defend his World Heavyweight Championship against
01:06CM Punk, who won the No. 1 contendership on Monday's Raw.
01:09Then, at the end of November's Survivor Series, The Vision would fight The Bloodline and Friends
01:15in War Games.
01:18The reported babyface line-up was Roman Reigns, Jacob Fatou, Jey Uso and famed Samoan Family
01:23member CM Punk, who would all tag with an as yet undecided fifth man, who would likely
01:30be either Jimmy Uso or LA Knight.
01:33And they would take on The Vision's Rollins, Breaker, Bronson Reed, Paul Heyman's other
01:39client Brock Lesnar and, weirdly, Austin Theory, who would reportedly also be joining the faction.
01:47Heyman has been a big fan of Theory dating back to his NXT days.
01:50Theory even has previous with Rollins, when he was a follower of Seth's during the Monday
01:54Night Messiah gimmick.
01:55Then, The Observer also wrote that, while not confirmed, one of WWE's major matches
02:00for WrestleMania was to be Rollins vs Reigns.
02:05Which implies that The Vision would stay together through Mania 2, with Roman having to overcome
02:10Reed, then Breaker and, probably weirdly Theory, to finally get a shot at Seth's Championship,
02:16which is a singles match set up in the two previous Manias.
02:19Now we're going to go into my fantasy booking.
02:21I reckon Seth would have lost the belt to Roman, and on the RAM, the Raw after Mania, Breaker
02:27would turn on Rollins, making it exactly a year since the faction first formed.
02:32Enter Abu of Selfmade, who has been the first to cover much of the Seth injury news, and they've
02:38revealed what WWE's original plans for the Breaker betrayal were.
02:44That Bron turn was originally going to happen months later.
02:47Brock Lesnar was to be brought into the angle before the turn in order to work with Bron
02:51Breaker.
02:52Breaker's first post-Vision feud being Lesnar is a huge elevation for him, and it all
02:57almost, almost, but not quite, makes Brock squashing Cena make sense.
03:01Cena died, so Bron could soar.
03:04But even if you remove all the accusation stuff, Lesnar is still a complicated choice.
03:10Because, and this is me speculating here, does that mean WWE planned for Bron to become a
03:15babyface?
03:17The template for The Vision is quite clearly Triple H's Evolution faction from the mid-2000s.
03:22And the big breakout babyface star of Evolution was the explosive animal Batista.
03:27There, Batista found out that Hunter and Ric Flair were using him, so on the road to WrestleMania
03:3321, he did a thumbs down turn on them both, revealing that he would be using his Royal
03:37Rumble contract on Triple H's World Heavyweight title, which he won at Mania, becoming one
03:42of the company's top babyfaces.
03:44Now this is where those Lesnar plans come in.
03:47WWE is intentionally tone deaf these days, but I don't think even they would book Brock
03:51Lesnar as an outright babyface against a new star like Breaker.
03:56That would imply Lesnar would be the heel in that feud, thus making Bron the babyface.
04:03Perhaps the original Breaker plans had him splitting away from The Vision, which would still be led
04:07by Seth, who would recruit people like Lesnar, Theory and, heartbreak, Breaker's really
04:13good mate Bronson Reed to attack him.
04:16Which Bron would then have to overcome to finally get a shot at Seth at Summerslam.
04:20The previous examples of this in Triple H's reign see every Judgment Day and Bloodlines story
04:25ever.
04:26What do you think the original plans for The Vision were?
04:28Let me know in the comments down below.
04:30As for Seth, Abu has reported that, aside from the closing angle of Breaker spearing Rollins,
04:36Monday's episode of Raw went ahead as originally scripted.
04:39From The Vision's opening promo, backstage segment and then standing tall at the end.
04:44So pretty much every episode of Raw since WrestleMania then.
04:47While none of us want any wrestlers to get injured, there is a silver lining to the Seth
04:51situation.
04:52It could force WWE out of its creative stagnation.
04:56One reason the episode of Raw didn't have any other major rewrites is because WWE were
05:01essentially hedging their bets.
05:03They were in Australia, and didn't have their full medical resources to diagnose what the
05:07injury actually was.
05:09They then had to do the long flight home following Raw.
05:11The Wrestling Observer is now reporting Rollins' injury is legitimate, as there was some concern
05:16it was a work after WWE did a very similar angle in July's Saturday night's main event,
05:21and that he is expected to be undergoing shoulder surgery as soon as possible.
05:26The extent of the damage is still unknown, but it's estimated he'll be out for a minimum
05:31of several months.
05:32BW Insider add that some in WWE believe Seth is heading for a shoulder or rotator cuff surgery,
05:39which could mean a recovery period of at least half a year.
05:42Bryan Alvarez, however, claims that people still don't know what is happening until
05:46he's been properly evaluated by WWE's medical team in Birmingham, Alabama.
05:51What we do know for sure right now is that Rollins has been removed from the 17th and 18th of
05:56October WWE live shows in Japan this week, where he was due to face CM Punk and then team
06:01with The Vision against Punk, Nakamura and Jey Uso.
06:05Seth has been replaced with Dominic Mysterio on the 17th, and the 18th's match will now
06:09be a straight tag of the bronze vs Nakamura and Jey.
06:13So if Seth is out for two months or more, what does that mean for War Games and the World
06:18Heavyweight title?
06:20Maybe the Saturday night's main event match could become Brom vs Punk for the vacant top
06:24belt.
06:25Which I would just capitalise on this momentum and give Breaker the win, and then he can captain
06:30The Vision as the World Heavyweight Champion against the Bloodline if they stick with those
06:35plans for Survivor Series.
06:36WWE really have an opportunity to cement Breaker as a top guy here by having him beat so many
06:42other top stars in the space of a month.
06:44Meanwhile, Seth's real life wife and kind of Vision member has posted, I'm gone for
06:48one week.
06:49Awkward.
06:50I kind of hope Becky chooses Bron over Seth now.
06:52Wait, what did you just say?
06:54A young wrestler is getting popular?
06:56Quick, someone call Chris Jericho so he can put them in his faction!
07:00Because of WWE and AEW signing wrestlers to multi-year contracts several years ago, there's
07:06not much room for big free agent movement between the two companies at the moment.
07:10Top AEW names like FTR, Okada, Hangman Page, Jon Moxley, Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks
07:16are all signed at least through 2027.
07:19As are Rusev, Chad Gable, Rey Mysterio and Dominik Mysterio for WWE.
07:24Sheamus and Randy Orton are there until 2029.
07:27And The Undertaker's WWE contract expires when The Last Shadow falls on this mortal plane,
07:31and the great silence takes us all in its cold embrace.
07:34All the major names are largely staying where they are right now, for a long time.
07:40Potentially apart from one.
07:42Chris Jericho!
07:43Your favourite of mine, Chris Jericho!
07:45Jericho has been with AEW since it launched in 2019, where he was the promotion's first
07:50ever world champion.
07:51He had celebrated runs with the Inner Circle, the Jericho Appreciation Society and the Ring
07:55of Honor world title.
07:56But in recent years, fans have turned on him, for feeling like he's taking too much time
08:00away from younger, fresher talent.
08:03That anti-Jericho sentiment appears to have finally taken him off screens, as he hasn't
08:08been on AEW TV since April, and his AEW contract reportedly expires at the end of this year.
08:14If only WWE had a whole PLE match stipulation perfectly suited to surprise entrants with countdown
08:20timers in January!
08:22This year Jericho has maintained a never say never stance about returning to WWE, and it
08:27was very noticeable how much attention Michael Cole and Wade Barrett brought to John Cena
08:32doing The Walls of Jericho in his match against AJ Styles at last Saturday's Crown Jewel
08:36PLE.
08:37The spot was one of the loudest tribute reactions of the night, and commentary even said Jericho's
08:42name, something they didn't do for other AEW talent referenced in the match like Christopher
08:47Daniels.
08:48The latest news is that Jericho has announced his seventh Rock'n Wrestling Rager at Sea Cruise.
08:53Every year for the last seven, Jericho has run a cruise with wrestling matches, rock music
08:58and comedians.
08:59A 2020 episode of Dynamite was even broadcast from the boat.
09:03The 2026 line-up includes Jericho, of course, Jeff Hardy, Soraya and The Great Mooter as its
09:08main attractions.
09:09Nick Nemeth and Bully Ray are billed as sovereign sailors.
09:12But unlike previous years, there's not a single AEW name featured.
09:17But it does have tugboat Fred Ottman, so who needs him?
09:20The bottom of the advertisement does say more to be announced.
09:24And it's possible that AEW names could be added once the company knows what their TV
09:28and pay-per-view dates are for next November when the cruise is taking place.
09:32Or we could be getting a bunch of NXT and some main roster WWE names announced instead.
09:39Interestingly, as Jericho has revealed himself on his podcast, he directly pitched using NXT
09:45talent on his first cruise back in 2018.
09:48But Triple H turned him down, because Vince apparently thought everyone on cruises got
09:54food poisoning and it could be a health risk.
09:56Frustrated, Jericho turned to Cody Rhodes, who put him in touch with the people in charge
10:01of Ring of Honor.
10:02There is a legitimate argument that WWE originally turning the Jericho cruise down pushed him into
10:08the arms of the independent scene that birthed AEW.
10:12WWE could have a power card up their sleeveless vests here, offering Jericho main roster talent
10:17for his cruise to tempt him back.
10:20Click the video on screen now to watch my full reaction to the Seth Rollins betrayal angle,
10:24and also to find out even more about the real reasons behind the scenes for it happening.
10:30Because there's a non-mutually exclusive possibility it was also down to very low TV ratings.
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