00:00And what I tell the president is if he ever wants to come for New Yorkers in the way that he has been,
00:04he's going to have to get through me as the next mayor of this city.
00:06If you try to get tough with Trump, the only people who are going to suffer from that are the people of New York City.
00:12When I'm fighting for New York, I am not going to stop.
00:16And I'll tell you something else.
00:17If the assemblyman is elected mayor, Donald Trump will take over New York City.
00:22And it will be Mayor Trump who runs New York City.
00:25President Trump loomed large tonight over the race to become New York City's mayor, next mayor.
00:32In the first general election debate that we saw, it featured the Democratic nominee Zoran Mamdani,
00:37the former governor, Andrew Cuomo, who is now running as an independent after losing to Mamdani,
00:42and the Republican nominee, Curtis Sliwa, who, and as we watched all this play out,
00:47oftentimes on that debate stage as they were taking questions, the political attacks turned very personal.
00:52He's never had a job.
00:56On his resume, it says he interned for his mother.
00:59This is not a job for a first-timer.
01:02Any day, you could have a hurricane, you could have, God forbid, a 9-11, a health pandemic.
01:09If you don't know what you're doing, people could die.
01:11Mr. Mamdani, do you want to respond?
01:13And if we have a health pandemic, then why would New Yorkers turn back to the governor
01:17who sent seniors to their death in nursing homes?
01:19That's the kind of experience that's on offer here today.
01:21What I don't have in experience, I make up for in integrity.
01:24And what you don't have in integrity, you could never make up for in experience.
01:29Joining me now, CNN's Gloria Pashmino, who has been following this debate from Rockefeller Center.
01:33Gloria, that was quite the debate, a lot of moments that clearly stood out.
01:37As one who's been covering this race as closely as you have,
01:39I wonder what your biggest takeaways were.
01:41Look, Caitlin, the big question going into this debate was whether or not Andrew Cuomo
01:47was going to be able to sort of make out any clearer lane that he's been able to do so far
01:54and whether or not he was going to be able to capture more support by performing in any different way.
02:00And we saw Cuomo sort of start out by trying to be a bit joyful, by trying to be more energetic.
02:06But eventually he retreated to much of what we've seen over the past several months,
02:10attacking Mamdani over his lack of experience, some of his proposals,
02:15and trying to point to his own executive experience as former governor of the state of New York.
02:21But as you mentioned, President Donald Trump looming large over this debate.
02:25There were several questions that were brought up throughout the two-hour debate
02:29about how these candidates would deal with a Trump administration.
02:34And we've seen Zoram Mamdani, the Democratic nominee,
02:38constantly try to tie Andrew Cuomo to President Trump.
02:42And we know from our own reporting that Trump has been very interested in this race.
02:48He has said that he believes Cuomo is the better candidate.
02:51There were a few times during this debate that it turned slightly personal,
02:56particularly over Mamdani's identity as a Muslim.
03:00In fact, he would make history as New York City's first elected Muslim mayor.
03:04And he pointed out that Andrew Cuomo had not started to campaign in that community until now.
03:11Take a listen.
03:14His divisiveness is chronic.
03:14Cuomo, can you address the question that we're bringing to you?
03:17I think you've made the point.
03:18But can you please answer about your own relationship with the Muslim community?
03:21You did not visit mosques for many years.
03:23More recently, you have been.
03:24I don't think in any way the Assemblyman is representative of the Muslim community,
03:31which is a vital community in New York City.
03:34And I am very fond of and I've been working with.
03:38It took me to get you to even see those Muslims as part of this city.
03:42And that, frankly, is something that is shameful and is why so many New Yorkers have lost faith in this politics.
03:48Yeah, except that is totally false.
03:50I've worked with the Muslim community for many, many years.
03:53Name a single mosque you went to when you were the governor.
03:56Can you name a single mosque you went to in 10 years?
03:58Before you were ever here.
04:00Before I was here.
04:01Before you were even in state government.
04:03Kaelin, I do also need to mention the role of the Republican candidate in this race, Curtis Sliwa,
04:15who has never had government experience, has never held political office,
04:20but who has gotten a lot of support from New Yorkers and had a pretty impressive performance during tonight's debate.
04:27He was placed in the middle of the two candidates and he constantly attacked Andrew Cuomo.
04:33That is significant because Andrew Cuomo has openly appealed to Republicans here in New York,
04:39trying to get Republicans to vote for him and not Curtis Sliwa,
04:44saying that Curtis Sliwa is not really a serious candidate.
04:47But Sliwa appeared tonight to have come prepared for that and spent a lot of tonight's debate attacking him.
04:54Kaelin?
04:54Yeah, it was quite a moment up there on the stage.
04:57Gloria Pashmino, thank you for updating us.
04:59This race is Mamdani's to lose, it seems, at this point.
05:03What do you think happens after this debate?
05:05How do you think it helps or hurts his campaign?
05:07Well, I'll start by saying that in this debate, considering that he's ahead by double digits
05:11and has been in virtually every public poll, the bar for him was don't F up and he certainly didn't do that.
05:17There were attacks that didn't land and he defended himself pretty well and he didn't make a big gaffe.
05:23What comes afterward is him trying to sell New Yorkers on his policy.
05:28The campaign is by and large done.
05:30It's what he's good at, he's charismatic, he can speak well,
05:32but it's time to help business leaders, to help skeptics understand what his vision is
05:38and how he seeks to accomplish that.
05:40Tomorrow already he's poised to hold a reverse town hall where he's asking questions of New Yorkers
05:45so that he can understand their needs and wants.
05:47That's interesting.
05:49I mean, and to your point, I mean, this latest Fox News poll has Mamdani over 50%, at 52%.
05:55Cuomo is pretty far behind at 28%.
05:57So he's starting to, if the question was, can he bring undecided people in, it sounds like he's starting to do that.
06:05And to Emily's point, I mean, now this is going to be, what kind of mayor is he going to be?
06:09Let's wait until election day, right?
06:12I mean, I think the problem is we act sometimes, you know, whoever wins a Democratic primary is a coordinated mayor, there's not.
06:17You know, winning a Democratic primary is important, but less than 10% of voters of all New York City voted for him.
06:23Look, I think Mamdani is an incredibly talented campaigner, clearly, he's quick, and he won tonight's debate on style points.
06:29I actually think Andrew Cuomo won on substance, though, because there are issues about his policies and his experience that are absolutely relevant to take into account.
06:37Never having a job, never having run an executive office when you're taking on, you know, a $119 billion budget in a 300,000-person office.
06:46Don't you think New Yorkers know that at this point?
06:48No, I don't know that they do.
06:49I feel like that's the whole story behind Mamdani is that he's inexperienced.
06:52I mean, there's stuff that we feel good about.
06:53I just, you know, this is, you know, this is, like, for example, there was a line tonight.
06:59Cuomo's been pushing this about, you know, Mamdani not publicizing it, but it believes in decriminalizing prostitution.
07:04And he was pushing him on that.
07:05And my roommate said, well, look, I don't think, you know, I don't, I think that it's an issue of economic opportunity.
07:10I don't know that that's going to land terribly well.
07:13And I also think that this is...
07:15Have you seen the OnlyFans users?
07:18Okay, that's actually a fair point.
07:20I think you're right.
07:24I think America knows what his positions are.
07:26America knows that he's not particularly qualified.
07:29America knows the positions he's taken on as it relates to Israel.
07:33And I'm not sure the New Yorkers, by and large, are showing that they care.
07:38That his campaign style, his energy, all the things that go along with him seem to be outweighing all the negatives.
07:46And, you know, I know we have an election to come up, but it doesn't look like...
07:50It doesn't look like Andrew Cuomo's catching up.
07:53He's just saying, like, you know, we've seen polls be off a lot.
07:55I'm not making any predictions here.
07:57I'm just saying this is a hardcore executive job.
08:00And your policies matter.
08:02And your experience matters.
08:03And those are rational things to take into account when people go to the polls.
08:06And let's not count anything else.
08:07Let me just play real quick.
08:08This is Trump's threat to New York if Mom Donnie wins.
08:11He's made this threat a couple times now.
08:13And, you know, I think New Yorkers probably also have to take this into consideration.
08:18We have a communist who's 33 years old, doesn't know a damn thing.
08:22Practically, he's never worked a day in his life.
08:24And he sort of caught on, right?
08:28And I'm not going to send a lot of money to New York.
08:32I don't have to.
08:33You know, the money comes all through the White House.
08:35And if they're going to be sending us stupid policies, I mean, communist policies,
08:40we're not going to ruin one of our great cities because we'll make that great.
08:44Can he do that?
08:47Should he do that?
08:48I mean...
08:49Well, I'm not exactly sure how much that every dollar passes through the White House.
08:54I'm not really sure how that...
08:55Apparently, in this administration, every dollar...
08:58But be it what I mean.
08:59Look, this is a man from New York.
09:01Cares deeply about the city.
09:03Concerned about Mom Donnie.
09:04Yes, he realizes the political positives that Mom Donnie's victory has in 2026.
09:10For him.
09:10Yeah, for him.
09:11Look, socialism seems to be the word of the day in New York,
09:15but it isn't outside of New York, and he's going to be a huge benefit for Republicans.
09:18Affordability is the word of the day in New York and across the country.
09:21And Mom Donnie is somebody who made that the central core of his campaign
09:24and never swayed away from it.
09:26So irrespective of some of the other style issues and policy issues
09:29where he may be somewhat problematic,
09:31affordability is what people are...
09:33Affordability is always the best thing,
09:35but good candidates and good campaigns matter to win, and he's...
09:38Well, Mom Donnie, it's about authenticity and affordability,
09:41and those are two things that Mom Donnie has pushed incredibly effectively.
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