00:00Michael Hirshhorn, a producer, filmmaker, resistance activist, who wrote this week's New York Times essay, Voting for Mondami, taught me why Trump won and what you call a kind of energy or magnetism that they share, not on ideology, but on politics. Explain.
00:16Yeah, I think the idea that has been prevalent in the Democratic Party in particular is you kind of figure out what people believe through polling, through research, and then you kind of regurgitate it back at them.
00:29And what Mondani is doing is similar, but also quite different. He's taking seemingly out there policies and ideas and putting them in really digestible form.
00:43And he's willing to have enemies. And Trump was willing to have enemies, because if you have enemies, you have people that are passionate about you.
00:51So he's very clearly picked a side. And that's the source of his power, right?
00:56He has 75,000 volunteers knocking on every door in the city for him.
01:02And Democrats don't generally have that. They haven't had that since Obama.
01:07It's not even that new to observe that rhetoric is different than policy.
01:13They used to talk about campaigning and poetry and governing and prose.
01:17And yet Democrats and elites in all in all sorts of ways have been shocked by that with Trump.
01:23He is to be taken literally. We cover a lot of things he's really doing.
01:28But he's not really trying to take Canada and Greenland.
01:31Not yet.
01:32Well, OK. Well, he never built the wall.
01:35Never built the wall.
01:36So there are certainly things he doesn't do.
01:38And yet his voters hear it as he'd like to. He's not afraid.
01:42And with Mamdani, for a host of reasons, it's pretty hard to indefinitely freeze rent on two million plate of two million people's homes.
01:51That's just how it works.
01:52And yet I don't know that you tell me all of his excited supporters, including young people, hear that as a fault if it doesn't fully happen.
02:01I think what precedes policy is tribalism.
02:06And Mamdani has said, I'm on your team.
02:09And he said it convincingly enough and repeatedly enough that people are like, yeah, he's one of us.
02:15He may not do these specific policies, but he's going to fight for us.
02:19And that's precisely the connection that Trump has with the MAGA base.
02:23And I think the other kind of misnomer, there are two misnomers.
02:26One is that people really care about policy.
02:29Most people don't care about policy.
02:31They don't understand about policy.
02:33They want to feel an emotional connection to a candidate.
02:36And most Democrats are not putting that at the forefront.
02:41They're cautious.
02:43They're careful.
02:44They're tentative.
02:46They speak in a certain kind of politician speak.
02:48And that just doesn't work in this media environment.
02:51You also touch on young men who've become this sort of disaffected group and Internet.
02:59And as we say around here, yada, yada, yada.
03:02But Trump does 50 percent among young men, which is better than some candidates have done among young people.
03:09Republicans used to struggle with young people.
03:11Mamdani does 85 percent there with a slightly just all the way up to 35.
03:16What do you see there?
03:17Well, it's a misnomer, again, that I think young men are going right wing.
03:23I think young men are going anti-establishment.
03:26And if you think about like a Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan voted for Bernie Sanders before he voted for Donald Trump.
03:32Andrew Schultz voted for Bernie Sanders before he voted for Donald Trump.
03:35Another podcaster.
03:36Another podcaster.
03:37And the numbers are shocking, right?
03:41It was it was this one poll did show 85 percent in the crosstabs.
03:45But then these other polls came out that showed men in general overwhelmingly voting for Mamdani when men in general have been trending Republican.
03:54So there's some lesson there.
03:57And the lesson is if you can capture them emotionally, if you can capture, I think, you know, a strong anti-establishment kind of F the system feeling and vibe a lot of young men have because they feel disengaged from their their personal prospects.
04:15They feel disengaged from, you know, they're not going to support Chuck Schumer.
04:19And so somebody now has unlocked the vault and everyone else should be paying attention to.
04:25Yeah, we had two Democrats on last night about the debate, one saying Schumer's time, at least his leader, should be up.
04:32The other standing by him.
04:33And when you when you also broaden out at the what you call the energy.
04:39Is it just everyone's psychological issues in a media digital saturated environment that's projected onto our politics?
04:47In other words, what do you say to someone who's reading you in The Times and going, oh, so is there any way to challenge that?
04:53The only way to do it is to kind of surrender on policy and just do a vibe check.
04:59Well, I think the sense I have is that Momdani has seriously thought about policy.
05:06OK.
05:06And I think if you sort of poke at him and you scratch a little deeper, you do find some innovative thinking on some topics, less so on others.
05:14But I don't think you can run on that basis.
05:17I think the other thing that's really unique about this moment is this is a uniquely messed up time in our lifetimes.
05:24And most Democratic strategists ignore the fact that extraordinary things are happening in this country.
05:31Democracy is being dismantled piece by piece.
05:33And of course, some people are going to be angry.
05:36And if you can't engage with that anger, don't even bother showing up.
05:54And if you look at people trying to deal with it, don't bother fool the fact.
05:57Well, there's a lot of them still.
05:57Right.
05:58And this is something you want to talk about it.
05:59And you're trying to engage with that guy.
05:59And he's going to be angry.
06:00And to mention how to do it, he watched a lot with these things.
06:02Yeah.
06:03Maybe you're lying?
06:03I should have not argument 10 years ago.
06:04You would eliminate the guy out.
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06:10You are generally throwing a soldier of people that were buying in for ś action.
06:13Because if you think of silver and harvest into account, you'll guarantee them get правильно.
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