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Sinong mag-aakala na magiging literal na ama sa pamilya ang dating ama sa mata ng simbahan? Panoorin ang full Interview ni Henry sa video na ito.
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00:00How do you know that you have a calling for your partner?
00:04Do you know that?
00:06In your body?
00:08How do you know that you have a calling for your partner?
00:12You have to go to the seminary, right?
00:18One time, you know that you know that you have to know.
00:23What are those?
00:33Basically, on my part, unang-una, yung surrounding ko, yung bata pa ako, yung bahay namin, talagang malapit sa church.
00:45Okay.
00:46So, in fact, yung patio ng church, naging playground ko.
00:51So, almost every day, meron akong interaction with the priest there, nung time na yon.
00:58Family?
00:59So, yun.
00:59So, namu-moo din yon sa...
01:02Okay.
01:03Ang family?
01:06Family, actually, may dalawa akong religious sisters.
01:12Hmm, kaya?
01:13May dalawang magre.
01:14Okay.
01:15So, yun.
01:16Contributor din yun.
01:17Oo.
01:17And then, yung guidance na rin ng parents, yung father and mother, na they are in, di ba?
01:25Ah, talaga?
01:26So, yun ang mga naging basically, na mga factors.
01:31Aha.
01:33Pero, nagkaroon ng ano, ano na nga ganun ano, ng eureka, eureka moment, if I may call it like that, no?
01:42Na, huy, gusto ko yata magpare, o magpapare na lang ako.
01:47Meron ba ganun nangyayari sa'yo?
01:50Nangyayari sa'yo?
01:51Meron.
01:52Ah, meron.
01:53And nangyayari sa'yo, ako.
01:55What were the circumstances then?
01:59Yung, yung time na, doon na nagsimula yung kwento ko, na nag-search in ako sa isang seminary, which is far from our...
02:09Search in.
02:11Right?
02:12That's what you said.
02:13Somewhere in the Visayas.
02:14Yes, nag-search in ka.
02:16So, meaning to say, nag-ano ka, you conducted a, how would you call this, seminar for what? Students?
02:25Orientation.
02:27Right.
02:28Ah.
02:28Right.
02:29For what?
02:30Orientation.
02:30Kasi, yun na nga, pa, orientation sa...
02:35Orientation.
02:36Pagpasok sa buhay si Matuto.
02:37For, for, for five days.
02:41So, yun yung introductory part.
02:44Ah, ikaw ka, ikaw, ikaw, ikaw ang...
02:46Teka muna, sandali lang ha, Henry.
02:48Ikaw yung nag-search in.
02:51Hindi ikaw yung nag-conduct ng search in.
02:55The two, two different...
02:56No, ako yung nag-search in.
02:58Ako po yung nag-search in.
02:59Ikaw yung nag-search in.
03:01Iyo, o, o, o, o, o, o, o, o, o, o, o, o, o, o.
03:04Conducted yun ang seminary na pinagbukan ko.
03:07Okay.
03:08Yung pare, yung mga seminaristas.
03:09Oo, o, o.
03:10And then, yun ang eureka moments ko.
03:12Oo.
03:12Kasi, doon na talagang medyo,
03:15matas na yung level of awareness,
03:18consciousness,
03:19na magpapasok ko.
03:21Okay.
03:22Buong buo ang loob mo at that time, ha?
03:24Gusto mong pumasok.
03:26Ah, nagustuhan mo naman.
03:27Eh, tika muna.
03:28Sandali,
03:29tatlong beses ka naglabas-pasok sa seminaryon,
03:32di ba, noon?
03:32Three times ka naglabas-pasok.
03:38Yes.
03:38Kasi, dalawang beses,
03:40yung tatlong beses na lumabas at pumasok ako sa seminary,
03:46yung dalawa doon,
03:46yung tinatawag na regency.
03:49Itong regency,
03:50tita Mel,
03:50sariling disisyon nito ng candidate,
03:54ng isang seminarista,
03:56na maglalabas muna siya sa seminary,
03:59a minimum of one year period.
04:02Yes.
04:02So, labas muna siya sa seminary.
04:04Yes.
04:04Kaya, kung anong gusto niyang gawin,
04:07dalawang beses kong ginawa yun,
04:09yun ang isa was,
04:10siguro,
04:11magtay na muna.
04:12Pangalawa,
04:13yung naganap din ang work,
04:15kasi college graduate na rin ako.
04:17And then, yung pangatlo,
04:19yung sponsored na mismo ng diocese,
04:22yung program na mismo ng seminaryo,
04:24na tinatawag namin na
04:26spiritual pastoral formation year.
04:29So, yun.
04:31Doon sa tatlong beses na yun,
04:35kung titignan ko ng buo yung tatlong beses,
04:38yun ang panahon na,
04:40kumbaga,
04:41tinitignan ko rin yung sarili ko.
04:43Parang,
04:44prevalidation of my initial business.
04:47Okay.
04:47Nabanggit mo,
04:48Father Henry,
04:49na tapos ka na ng college,
04:51na tapos ka yung college.
04:53So,
04:53you went through a normal,
04:56regular life
04:58when you were still outside
05:01the seminary.
05:03Regular guy.
05:04Ganon.
05:04Regular guy ka,
05:05nanligaw ka.
05:06Ah, nagka-girlfriend ka ba nun?
05:09Nung you were in college?
05:10Nag-high school.
05:11Nag-high school po ako sa public high school,
05:14and then nag-first year college ako sa isang university.
05:17Okay.
05:17First year college bago ako pumasok.
05:20Ah-oh.
05:21And then sa seminary,
05:22gano'n din po.
05:23It's a regular thing.
05:24Oh-oh.
05:25Regular guy.
05:27Oh-oh.
05:28Hindi.
05:29What I mean by a regular guy,
05:30Father Henry,
05:32what I meant by a regular guy is,
05:35syempre,
05:35high school,
05:36nag-uumpisa yan,
05:37ligawan eh,
05:38di ba?
05:38Nanligaw ka rin.
05:40Nagkaroon ka ba ng girlfriend in college?
05:42Ganon.
05:43Dinaanan mo yung gano'ng face.
05:46Ah, dinaanan mo yung gano'ng face.
05:49Aha.
05:50Pero,
05:50eh,
05:51nung nasa seminaryo ka na,
05:53wala na.
05:54Wala ka ng girlfriend.
05:57When you were in the seminary,
05:58may girlfriend ka rin.
06:01Ah.
06:01Yes.
06:02I spent five years in college,
06:05and I got one,
06:07during that period,
06:08I had one girlfriend.
06:10Pero,
06:11yun na nga,
06:11yung tawag dito,
06:13it's more on a,
06:15ah,
06:15relationship or friendly,
06:17um,
06:18something,
06:19between,
06:20boy and girl.
06:21But,
06:21relationship.
06:22Ikaw na,
06:23Father Henry naman,
06:24five years,
06:24friendly lang ba yun?
06:26Five years?
06:27Ang tagal nun ah!
06:28Pag-
06:29five years mo girlfriend,
06:30friendly,
06:31friendly lang yung ganon.
06:32Ah.
06:34Hindi naman mahirap,
06:35paniwala yun.
06:36Kasi nga,
06:36eh,
06:37yung almost everyday,
06:39ah,
06:39alibawa,
06:40within a week once lang,
06:41alibawa,
06:41kasi nasa seminaryo na,
06:42nasa lobe,
06:43hindi kami,
06:44ano,
06:45ah,
06:45iba yung ano namin,
06:46structure,
06:47diba,
06:47nasa lobe ng seminaryo.
06:48Nakakulong kami kumbaga yung seminaryo.
06:50Ah.
06:51Hindi kami public.
06:52Oh,
06:53eh,
06:53paano mo na?
06:53Naminitin yung friend.
06:56Eh,
06:56paano mo masasabing girlfriend mo yun?
06:59Ano,
06:59telepono ba?
07:00Cellphone ba?
07:01Ano ba?
07:02Paano kayo?
07:02No.
07:04Telepono,
07:04yung ano pa nun,
07:05yung black,
07:05black pang telephone,
07:06diba?
07:06Yung dial pa yung ano?
07:09Oo nga.
07:09Telepono.
07:10Dial.
07:11Ah,
07:11ah,
07:12okay.
07:13So,
07:14yung bang,
07:14ano,
07:15that,
07:15that,
07:16yung pangyayaring yun,
07:18yung may girlfriend ka,
07:19five years,
07:20nasa seminary ka na,
07:21may girlfriend mo pa rin,
07:23ano,
07:23hindi,
07:24hindi ba yun,
07:25ano,
07:25hindi mo ba pinag,
07:26ano yun,
07:27pinagtakhan o kinonsider
07:28na,
07:31nagduda ka na,
07:32tama ba kaya,
07:33na nasa lobe ka ng seminaryo?
07:36Eh, may girlfriend ka eh,
07:38for all the five years.
07:40Di ba?
07:40Personally,
07:41personally,
07:42wala namang pagdududa,
07:44and then,
07:45kasi,
07:46ano naman eh,
07:46parang,
07:47tawag dito,
07:48anong pwede kong masabi dun,
07:49parang,
07:50ah,
07:51reciprocated din naman yung,
07:52yung friendly,
07:54yung environment kasi niya,
07:55friendly,
07:56yung,
07:57yung,
07:57kalagang pang,
07:58ano,
07:58pang boy-girl,
08:01friendly.
08:02Kaya nga,
08:03hindi ba,
08:04Father Henry,
08:04lalo kang,
08:05ano,
08:06lalo mong pag-iisipan na,
08:08teka muna,
08:08baka hindi ako pwede dun sa,
08:10ano,
08:10bawal,
08:11bawal mag-asawa eh,
08:12pag pari ka,
08:13di ba?
08:14Eh,
08:14ikaw eh,
08:14medyo matagal na yung relationship mo,
08:17doon sa girlfriend mo.
08:19Wala.
08:20Pero,
08:20ano,
08:21nandyan,
08:22nandyan din yan po,
08:23na,
08:23ano,
08:24na,
08:24parang,
08:25ah,
08:26awareness na ganun,
08:27pero,
08:28kung sa duda,
08:28hindi mas,
08:29parang,
08:29ano lang siya,
08:31siguro yung friendly atmosphere,
08:33ng relationship,
08:34nasa set aside yung pag-duda.
08:37And,
08:37it was not,
08:38it was not an issue,
08:39kumbaga,
08:40hindi siya naging issue.
08:41Oh,
08:42really?
08:42Hindi naging issue sa'yo,
08:44ah?
08:44Oh,
08:45oh,
08:45so,
08:45na,
08:45oh,
08:45oh,
08:45but during that time,
08:48ah,
08:48during that period,
08:49Yes,
08:49yes,
08:50yes,
08:50yes,
08:51yes,
08:52yes,
08:52yes,
08:52yes.
08:53Ngayon,
08:53naging ganap na pari ka,
08:55noong 1997,
08:57okay,
09:00oh,
09:00yun,
09:01ganap na yun,
09:02ganap na pari na yun,
09:03ah,
09:04hindi ka ba nagkaroon ng alinlangan?
09:08Walang alinlangan?
09:09Talagang,
09:10na,
09:10talagang,
09:11paring-pari ka na,
09:13na,
09:14wala,
09:14wala,
09:15wala na yung ibang mga,
09:17ano mo,
09:17wala na yung ibang mga,
09:19maka,
09:20makamundo,
09:21maka,
09:22hindi ka na ordinary yung lalaki,
09:27hindi ka,
09:28oh,
09:29hindi ka nakikita,
09:31hindi mo ako nakikita?
09:34Ay,
09:34hindi naman,
09:34hindi naman talaga,
09:35father,
09:36ako lang ang nakakakita sa'yo,
09:39huwag ka mag-alala,
09:40maganda ako,
09:42maputi ako,
09:44maganda ako,
09:45ang tawa niya,
09:46ang tawa niya,
09:47oh,
09:51thank you very much,
09:52thank you,
09:53thank you,
09:54thank you,
09:56thank you,
09:56thank you,
09:56yung ano pa,
09:57yung ano,
09:57news pa pa,
09:58yes,
09:59news,
09:59ang tawa ni Angkor,
10:01okay,
10:01let's go back to our discussion,
10:03sa ibang,
10:04sa ibang,
10:06ano pa nun,
10:07network,
10:07sa ibang network pa,
10:08alright,
10:09sige,
10:09dito tayo ngayon,
10:10sa GMA tayo ngayon,
10:12ngayon,
10:13Father Henry,
10:14makinig ka,
10:15ha,
10:16did you go through
10:17any struggles,
10:20sa umpisa pa lang,
10:21ng pagpapari mo,
10:23meron ba?
10:26Okay,
10:27yung,
10:27yung,
10:27di ba na mention natin,
10:28yung 1997,
10:29yung granak na ako,
10:30yes,
10:31opo,
10:33ang,
10:33ang,
10:33ang saya-saya ko,
10:35yung mga first years na yun,
10:36ah,
10:37talaga,
10:38sabihin natin mga,
10:39for seven years,
10:41okay,
10:41ang saya-saya ko,
10:42I'm,
10:42I feel complete,
10:44I feel,
10:45you know,
10:45yeah,
10:46I,
10:47it's my dream,
10:49that this is the dream,
10:50that I,
10:51I wanted to,
10:52I realized my dream,
10:53and all,
10:54okay,
10:54in fact,
10:55ah,
10:55would you believe na,
10:57may mga times na,
10:59di ba,
10:59yung,
10:59pag,
11:00pag,
11:00pag,
11:01pag,
11:01pag,
11:01pag,
11:01meron kang boss,
11:04may mga kasama kang,
11:05ibang pangin,
11:06and,
11:07to the point na,
11:08siguro sa,
11:10sa,
11:10talagang,
11:11hindi,
11:11had word before,
11:12inspired ako mag-serve,
11:13ah,
11:14in-offer po yung,
11:16sarili ko,
11:16para sa mga schedules nila,
11:18bahay yung boss ko,
11:19gusto mo mag,
11:20mag-break muna this,
11:21next week,
11:22ng tatlong araw,
11:23bikay mo sa akin,
11:24mga schedules mo,
11:25ako ng bala,
11:25yun,
11:26kasi,
11:27masaya ako,
11:28you know,
11:29and happy for,
11:30doing that thing,
11:32ah,
11:32ah,
11:33okay,
11:33so,
11:34para hindi ko na,
11:35wala talagang,
11:37na,
11:37ano ba,
11:38mga struggles,
11:40eh,
11:40yung usual struggles,
11:41napapagod ka rin,
11:43ah,
11:43na,
11:44napoprustrate ka rin,
11:45kung may narinig kang,
11:47mga negative comments,
11:48despite,
11:48ah,
11:49lahat mo na ginagawa,
11:50ah,
11:52na,
11:53na,
11:53sumasakit din yung loob mo,
11:54pag,
11:54ah,
11:55may batikos na nakakarating sa'yo,
11:57di ba,
11:58kasi,
11:58usually,
11:59ganun,
11:59ganun yung,
12:00yung foothold,
12:01yung,
12:02yung,
12:02ang tawag dito,
12:03yung position ng pare,
12:04gumawa ka ng,
12:05maganda,
12:06may masasabi,
12:07gumawa ka ng hindi maganda,
12:08may masasabi,
12:10halimbawa ako,
12:11payat ako,
12:12so,
12:12pag nakikita ng mga tao,
12:14bakit payat si pare,
12:15saan pumupunta yung mga,
12:17yung mga donations natin,
12:19pag nakita ka naman na,
12:20mataba na pare,
12:21o ba't mataba si pare,
12:22ah,
12:22nandyan,
12:22papunta,
12:23papunta dyan sa,
12:25ngayong donations natin,
12:26ay,
12:27ganun ba yun?
12:28Parang,
12:28danipid mo,
12:29diba?
12:31Eh,
12:31pero,
12:32teka mo na,
12:33Father Henry,
12:34ang,
12:35ano ko,
12:35ang,
12:36ang gusto ko malaman,
12:37okay,
12:38ang gusto ko malaman,
12:39I would imagine that what you just said,
12:42happens in any,
12:44you know,
12:44to everybody,
12:46di ba,
12:47na nagtatrabaho,
12:48meron talagang mga ganyang struggles,
12:50pero,
12:51ang pinupuntuhan natin,
12:53is the fact that,
12:55you fell in love,
12:57di ba?
12:58Right.
12:58You fell in love with Clarice,
13:01no?
13:02Ilang taon ka na bang pare,
13:04nung nakilala mo si Clarice?
13:07How old are you then?
13:09I was on,
13:09I was on my 10th year,
13:12I think I was on my 10th year,
13:13ang tagal na,
13:1610 years,
13:1710 years ka ng pare,
13:1910 years,
13:1910 years,
13:2010th year,
13:2010th.
13:21Okay,
13:22okay,
13:23ang,
13:24ang edad ninyo,
13:25how old were you then?
13:26So,
13:29I must be,
13:31maybe,
13:32ilan ba?
13:33I should have been,
13:3659 ako ngayon,
13:3710 years,
13:38plus,
13:39mga,
13:40nasa 40,
13:4245 or 44,
13:4440ish ka na noon,
13:45and,
13:46and Clarice was how old?
13:5120.
13:52Ah,
13:5320,
13:53so,
13:54malaki ang pagitan ninyo,
13:55mga 20 years?
13:5830 years,
13:59excepto.
14:0020 years ang pagitan ninyo.
14:02Nung una mong naramdaman,
14:04yung tibok ng puso mo,
14:07para kay Clarice.
14:09Mm-hmm.
14:09Ha?
14:10Hindi mo ba,
14:11sinubukan pigilan yun?
14:14Hindi ba,
14:14hindi mo pinigilan?
14:16Or,
14:17how did you,
14:18ano ba ang mga ginawa mo
14:19para mapigilan mo yun?
14:21Kasi,
14:21pari ka na,
14:22ganap na pari ka na eh,
14:23di ba?
14:24Alam mo naman siguro
14:25na you have a vow of celibacy,
14:27correct?
14:28So,
14:28iba yung nangyayari sa'yo
14:31kasi,
14:32nakakaramdam ka ng,
14:34ng ano eh,
14:34ng pagmamahal eh,
14:36sa isang babae na,
14:37na hindi,
14:38hindi pinapayagan
14:40sa mga pari.
14:42Ano,
14:43ano yung mga ginawa mo
14:44para mapigilan mo
14:45yung sarili mo?
14:48Alright.
14:50Basically,
14:51I also exercise,
14:54you know,
14:54due diligence,
14:56tawag dito.
14:58Sa unang-una,
15:00hindi ako nagpahalata,
15:02di ba?
15:03So,
15:04hindi ko ginawang obvious.
15:07Okay.
15:07yun ang isa sa mga
15:08strategies na ginawa ko.
15:11Yes.
15:11And then,
15:12the more,
15:14ganun,
15:15the more,
15:16parang,
15:18pinipilit ng pagkakataon
15:19na maging obvious
15:20yung,
15:20yung nararamdaman.
15:22maging,
15:24pag-amaging,
15:25maging totoo din.
15:27So,
15:27it's between,
15:29being,
15:29you know,
15:31parang tawag dito,
15:33hindi ka maging real,
15:35or,
15:35it's a struggle between
15:36magiging real,
15:38or,
15:38you keep,
15:39you keep everything hidden,
15:41or secret,
15:41or,
15:42to be candid,
15:43or to be frank about your,
15:45your feelings,
15:46you know,
15:47your sentiment.
15:48So,
15:48yun ang naging constant stuff.
15:50So,
15:50what path did you take?
15:53Alin dun ang,
15:54ang pigili mo?
15:57Hindi na nga,
15:58yung,
15:59siyempre,
15:59along the way,
16:01obviously,
16:02nanalo yung,
16:02kumbaga parang,
16:03I have to be,
16:04to be real.
16:06I have to be honest with my,
16:07my feeling.
16:09I have to be honest with my,
16:11a human person.
16:12Yes,
16:13yes.
16:13Sa,
16:14sa kung ano ang nararamdaman ng puso ko,
16:16at sinasabi ng nangyisip ko.
16:19Oo,
16:19pero,
16:20ang tanong ko naman,
16:22Father Henry,
16:23is simply eh,
16:24nilabanan mo ba?
16:27Nilabanan mo ba?
16:28Simple lang,
16:28nilabanan mo ba yung ganun feeling mo?
16:33Yung struggle na yun,
16:34that was already,
16:35you know,
16:36my way of,
16:38paglaban sa,
16:39sa ganun feeling na yun.
16:41Pero,
16:41yun na nga,
16:41sabi ko,
16:42the more nalabanan ko,
16:43the more din na,
16:44lalo kang na,
16:45binibigyan ko.
16:47Mas lalong,
16:48lumalalim,
16:49mas lalong,
16:50na,
16:51nagiging,
16:52tawag dito,
16:53na challenge,
16:54na challenge ako to,
16:55maging tukuna,
16:57na nararamdaman.
16:58Aha.
17:00Ah,
17:01naging mahirap ba,
17:03na,
17:03magpagpunwari.
17:05Oo,
17:05hindi.
17:06Naging mahirap ba,
17:07na makuha mo,
17:09yung matamis na oo ni Clarice?
17:11Kasi siyempre,
17:14alam din niya na pari ka eh.
17:16Di ba?
17:17Opo.
17:17O,
17:18hindi ba naging mahirap yun?
17:20Mas marami din yung,
17:22sa part niya na,
17:23nag,
17:23nag,
17:23nag,
17:24parang,
17:24pumitigil sa kanya.
17:26At alam ko yung struggle niya.
17:27Oo.
17:28So,
17:29mahirap din.
17:30Hindi naman kadali,
17:31ganun kadali yung,
17:32yung,
17:33yung pag,
17:34tanggap.
17:35Aha.
17:36Pero,
17:36meron din ano sa kanya,
17:38nag-struggle din siya,
17:39o was it also,
17:42ano?
17:43Saan ba kayo nagkakilala?
17:45Ay,
17:45sa puso.
17:46Saan kayo nagkakilala ba?
17:49Sa isa pong,
17:50sa isa pong formation program
17:52para sa mga youth.
17:54Ayun.
17:55Oo.
17:56Ah,
17:57love at foresight ba?
18:00At po,
18:00sa part ko,
18:02ganun din.
18:02Ganun yan.
18:03Ganun talaga,
18:04love at foresight.
18:06Oh my.
18:08Talagang,
18:09sabi ko,
18:09ito na to.
18:10This is it.
18:11Hala.
18:13Eh,
18:13hindi mo iniwasan.
18:15Hindi mo na iniwasan?
18:17Ganun?
18:17Ganun na lang ba yun?
18:19Hindi mo iniwasan?
18:21Iniwasan.
18:22Inwasan din.
18:23Hindi ka na nakipag,
18:23hindi mo na siya,
18:25hindi mo na siya tinatawagan,
18:26hindi ka nakikipagkita sa kanya,
18:28para makalimutan mo,
18:30you kept busy with your work.
18:33Di ba?
18:34It did happen po.
18:35It did happen.
18:36Busy ako,
18:37nag-ano ako na,
18:38may pupuntahan ako,
18:40may schedule ako,
18:41pero the more na ginagawa ko
18:42yung dinigitin sa sarili ko,
18:44the more na may pain,
18:46parang may pain,
18:49hindi ko dapat gawin yun,
18:50dapat maging ano ako.
18:52Anong sabi ng mga magulang niya?
18:55Anong sabi ng mga,
18:56anong,
18:57oh,
18:57reaction ng mga magulang niya?
18:59Alam nila na pari ka, no?
19:01At,
19:03yun nga po,
19:03siyempre,
19:03sa umpisa,
19:04ayaw nila.
19:05Ganit sila.
19:06Oo.
19:07Ayaw talaga nila.
19:08And then,
19:08you know,
19:09siguro,
19:11dinoblick,
19:14retina nila yung panalami nila,
19:15na hindi magkasatoso itong bagyong to.
19:19Yeah.
19:20Itong,
19:20itong,
19:20itong,
19:21pangyayari,
19:22yung pangyayaring yun,
19:23no?
19:24Nagmahal yung anak niya,
19:25anak nila sa isang pare.
19:27Ikaw naman,
19:28hindi ba nakaapekto yan
19:30sa performance mo,
19:31in your duties
19:32as a priest?
19:35Admittedly,
19:36yes po.
19:37May mga times na,
19:39na,
19:39ano na,
19:40na,
19:41na,
19:42naapek na na din yung performance ko,
19:45yung ano po.
19:47Nakakaroon na,
19:48mga,
19:50napaprioritize ko na yung,
19:52tungkol sa bagay na yun,
19:53and,
19:54medyo na sa set aside ko yung priority ko as a priest.
19:57Aha.
19:59I tried,
20:00I tried to evade,
20:02you know,
20:02responsibilities na,
20:04and,
20:04you know,
20:04parang,
20:06may mga times na,
20:07kamatakas na rin ako sa,
20:09kung anong schedule ko.
20:10Ah.
20:11Kinapa,
20:11binibigyan ko na set.
20:13Ah,
20:14okay.
20:15Oo.
20:16Para magkita kayo,
20:17parang gano'n,
20:17para puntahan mo siya.
20:20So,
20:20nag,
20:21ano kayo,
20:21so,
20:22yes,
20:23oo.
20:23So,
20:24formally,
20:24formally,
20:25between the two of you,
20:27talagang nagkakaintindihan na kayo,
20:29na kayong dalawa.
20:33Opo.
20:34Wala nang duda.
20:35Wala nang duda sa'yo.
20:37Wala na rin duda sa kanya.
20:39Wala na.
20:40Between the two of you,
20:42wala nang duda.
20:43Okay.
20:44Ito,
20:45while this was,
20:46dahil sa,
20:47dahil siguro sa age niya,
20:49ako ang nagbigay ng space sa kanya.
20:51Ah.
20:52Pero ako,
20:53sure,
20:54sure,
20:54nga ako parang gano'n,
20:55ito na so.
20:55Ah, ah, ah.
20:57Ah, ah.
20:57In the meantime,
20:59as,
20:59ah,
21:00hindi kayo na pa,
21:01hindi kayo nahahalata pa
21:03ng mga superiors mo?
21:08Hindi.
21:09Nahahalata po.
21:09May mga
21:10Ah, nahahalata na.
21:11na ng attention.
21:12Ah, ah.
21:13Ah,
21:13may mga nag-call up na ng attention po,
21:15mga superiors,
21:17mga,
21:17mga,
21:17mga nakakatandang kapatid sa pagkapali.
21:21Oh, oh, oh.
21:22Nangungumusta.
21:23Oh, oh.
21:23Um,
21:24and that time,
21:25nagsimula din ako maglaro ng tennis
21:28para isa rin yung sa mga,
21:31tawag dito,
21:32parang escape,
21:32escape,
21:33ano ko,
21:33ah,
21:34ah,
21:34para makaiwas sa mga possibilities,
21:36makapunta ng tennis court,
21:38pero actually pupunta ako sa kanya,
21:39mga gano'n.
21:40Ah, ah.
21:40Pero may,
21:41may mga kapatid din,
21:42kapagkapaling na,
21:43na,
21:44na,
21:44na,
21:44na,
21:45tennis players din,
21:46and,
21:47one of them,
21:47ah,
21:48got my attention.
21:50Sabi niya,
21:51kapatid,
21:52may concern ako sa'yo,
21:54tungkol sa issue ng yun.
21:55Medyo laganap na,
21:57parang damal.
21:57Okay.
21:59At,
21:59ah,
21:59yung ba,
22:00ang nagbuk,
22:02yung,
22:02ano,
22:03anong epekto nun sa'yo?
22:06What happened?
22:07What did you do?
22:07Um,
22:08una,
22:08nag,
22:08yeah,
22:10nag-worry,
22:11nag-worry lang na ko,
22:12kasi,
22:12sabi ko,
22:13hindi na rin ito pwedeng,
22:14kakasan,
22:15hindi na rin pwedeng itago.
22:17And then,
22:17nagsimula na akong maging,
22:18ano,
22:19parang,
22:19maging very,
22:21tawag dito,
22:21maging,
22:22maingat sa mga moves ko,
22:24maingat sa mga,
22:26ah,
22:26activities ko,
22:27and all.
22:28But at then,
22:29medyo nagsimula na ako,
22:32mag-ano,
22:33nang,
22:33nang tawag dito,
22:35nang,
22:37parang,
22:38magtatago ka na,
22:39simula na magtago,
22:40gano'n.
22:41Yes,
22:41but at this point,
22:43hindi mo pa ba naisip na,
22:45ano,
22:46na,
22:47hindi mo na maitatago,
22:48at kailangan mo na tanggapin,
22:50kung ano yung,
22:51mga kailangan mong gawin.
22:54Tinatago mo,
22:55tinatago mo pa rin eh,
22:57tinatago mo pa rin eh,
22:58di ba?
22:59O,
22:59kailan mo napag-desisyonan,
23:02na hindi mo na,
23:04hindi mo na kaya,
23:07naitago,
23:08and that you need to really,
23:11open up already,
23:12to your superiors.
23:15Alright,
23:16nag-set na rin po ako ng,
23:17ng time frame ko.
23:19Sabi ko ganitong,
23:21itong tao na to,
23:23ganitong year,
23:24I have to,
23:25ano,
23:26I have to be,
23:27ano na,
23:28put things in order.
23:29put things in order.
23:29put things in order.
23:29and,
23:31put things in order.
23:33If I may,
23:34I,
23:35as I may mention,
23:37ano,
23:38nag-inroll ako sa isang,
23:39sa isang, ano,
23:40sa isang course,
23:42para maging,
23:42parang maging fallback.
23:44and,
23:44during that time,
23:46na nag-graduate ako,
23:47that year,
23:48that was also the time,
23:49the year that I,
23:50I speak to my superior,
23:52and,
23:53lay down everything.
23:55Oh, oh, oh.
23:56So,
23:56lay down my cards,
23:57and,
23:57at the same time,
23:58magpaalam na ako.
23:59Oh,
24:00pero,
24:01natuklasan nyo na,
24:02buntis pala si Clarice,
24:04di ba?
24:06Oh, oh, oh.
24:06How did that change your,
24:08ano,
24:09the problem?
24:10How did that change,
24:11the problem?
24:14Um,
24:14yung time ngayon,
24:15isa yun sa mga,
24:17yun na nga,
24:17sa mga lalo pa,
24:19na nag,
24:19na nag-udok sa akin,
24:21parang maging,
24:22maging magpakatotoo.
24:24Oh, oh.
24:24And,
24:26pero parang medyo na set aside doon,
24:28mas pre-niority ko yung health niya,
24:30yung status niya.
24:32So,
24:32yung ginawa ko,
24:33yung kung saan siya ipapacheck up,
24:36kung saan siya dadal na doktor,
24:37and all,
24:38inano ko na yun,
24:39i-spadule ko na,
24:40pre-niority ko yun.
24:43And I was able to do it,
24:45successfully,
24:47yun,
24:48na-maintain ko naman ng,
24:50kasi masayang yung,
24:53ibig mo sabihin,
24:54Father Henry,
24:56nabuntis na si Clarice,
24:58pero,
24:59hindi ka pa,
25:00tumatalikot.
25:01Active pa ako.
25:01Ha?
25:02Active ka pa.
25:04Oh,
25:05I see.
25:06Kasi sabi ko nga,
25:07yun yung tayo ko,
25:08sinabay ko yung,
25:10yung pag-take ko ng course,
25:11na magiging fallback ko,
25:13para sabi ko,
25:14pag-graduate,
25:15the same time,
25:16yun na rin yung time na magpapaalam ako.
25:19So,
25:19kasama sa years na yun,
25:22yun ang,
25:23yung pagbubuntis niya.
25:25That was less than,
25:27pang-year din,
25:28one year din.
25:28Okay.
25:29Nine months yung,
25:30ano,
25:30and then,
25:31nakadagdag na ilang buwan,
25:32nahinintay ko yung mag-graduate ako,
25:35and then,
25:35yun na yun.
25:36Time na ng pag-exit.
25:38Aha.
25:39Kailan ka nag-decide na,
25:42mag-exit ka na talaga sa pagkapare?
25:45When?
25:46When was that?
25:47Yun?
25:48Nung nabunti si Clarice?
25:53Actually,
25:54nung pag-graduate ko po,
25:55actually,
25:56ano,
25:57naka-deliver na rin siya nun.
26:00Naka-deliver na rin siya nun.
26:02Ah,
26:02naka-deliver na siya.
26:04Okay.
26:05Naka-deliver.
26:06O,
26:07then,
26:11nagka-anak na kayo yung dalawa,
26:13no?
26:14Yung bahay nakatulong,
26:16yung bahay nakatulong
26:17para kayo ay tanggapin,
26:19una-muna,
26:20ng mga,
26:20ng pamilya ni Clarice?
26:24Opo,
26:25malaking factor din naman po yung bata,
26:27na para maging daan,
26:29na matanggap.
26:30And then,
26:30dun din,
26:31dahil din nun mungkong sa bata,
26:33yun naman yun,
26:34yung naging dahilan para,
26:36maging,
26:37ano,
26:37mag,
26:37we come out,
26:39in the open na rin.
26:40Lalo na para sa parents po,
26:42sa family nga.
26:43So,
26:44kung hindi kami sa kanila,
26:46of course,
26:46may takot din sa part ko,
26:48kung anong magiging resulta,
26:50pero,
26:51wala na,
26:51hindi ko na inisip yun.
26:53Ang importante,
26:54makita nila,
26:55bata,
26:56and all,
26:57ispado namin.
26:58And,
26:58may packet ako rin na,
27:00I'm ready for the responsibility.
27:02And,
27:03the fact that,
27:03I've sacrificed everything,
27:05I left everything behind,
27:07para dun,
27:09para sa kanila,
27:09para sa mag-inap.
27:11So,
27:11yun ang naging,
27:12nagpakaglakas ng loob ko rin.
27:14Sana matanggap,
27:15maintindihan.
27:17And,
27:17yung sawa ng joke,
27:18yun naman yun.
27:19Oo,
27:20oo,
27:20oo.
27:20So,
27:21so,
27:21nung ano,
27:22nung na-decide mo na,
27:24syempre,
27:24mas gumaang na,
27:26ang pakiramdam mo,
27:27di ba?
27:28Para ka nabunutan ng tinik,
27:29sabi nga nila,
27:30di ba?
27:30Gano'n na nangyari,
27:31di ba?
27:32At,
27:33ikaw,
27:34ay,
27:35tumira na kayo,
27:36as husband and wife,
27:38ni Clarice.
27:39Correct.
27:40Correct?
27:40Correct, opo.
27:41Then,
27:42una na rin ako,
27:42mag-establish ng business ko,
27:45and,
27:46yun.
27:47Oo.
27:48Eh,
27:48pero,
27:49nagpakasal ba kayo?
27:53Yep,
27:54opo.
27:55Para,
27:56para din sa,
27:57para din sa,
27:59of course,
27:59sa bata.
28:00Oo.
28:00Sa mga din.
28:02You got married,
28:03ah,
28:04soon after?
28:07Hindi ba,
28:07pwede na bang magpakasal?
28:09Yung,
28:09ah,
28:10hindi,
28:10pwede bang magpakasal ang pare,
28:12na hindi pa,
28:13na,
28:14hindi pa na bibigyan,
28:15ng tamang,
28:17ano man tawag doon,
28:18exit, no?
28:19Tamang exit sa simbahan?
28:22Hindi pwede.
28:22So,
28:23matagal,
28:23matagal pa rin kayong nagsama,
28:25na hindi pa kayo kasal.
28:27Ganon?
28:28Yeah,
28:28opo,
28:29matagal din,
28:30mga ilang years din.
28:31Ah,
28:32years.
28:33Years pa rin.
28:34Hindi pa kayo kasal.
28:36Opo.
28:36But now,
28:37you are,
28:37you are already,
28:39married now.
28:40You're already,
28:40opo.
28:41You're both married now.
28:42So,
28:43ano ang,
28:43pinagdaanan mo,
28:45of ninyo,
28:46no,
28:47para talagang,
28:48maging,
28:49malinis na,
28:51no,
28:51maayos,
28:52yung wala nang,
28:54ano,
28:54wala ka ng,
28:55wala ka ng mga,
28:58iniwan na,
28:59ano,
28:59na mga,
29:00problema.
29:01How long did that take?
29:03Ano ang mga,
29:04what was the process
29:06that you had to go through?
29:08Mahirap ba?
29:10Opo.
29:11Mahirap din.
29:12Mahirap talaga.
29:13Lalo na sa part ko,
29:15galing from that former,
29:17the state ng buhay.
29:19Oo.
29:20People would,
29:21you know,
29:22variety of reactions
29:24galing sa ibang tao.
29:26May pag-condemn,
29:27may pag,
29:28you know,
29:29may pag,
29:30hindi pa,
29:30naiintindihan,
29:31mga ganon.
29:32So,
29:33may frustrations din sila.
29:34Aha.
29:35Pero,
29:36only,
29:37mayroon din mga,
29:39you know,
29:39hindi na siguro,
29:41inintindi na lang ako,
29:42and may grupo rin na,
29:43may grupo rin ako na,
29:45na,
29:45kung baga parang,
29:47inintindi na rin lang ako.
29:49So,
29:50yun,
29:50nasa,
29:51ano rin,
29:51nasa,
29:51inspire din yung ganon.
29:53Pero para sa akin,
29:54parang,
29:54o,
29:55hindi na ako,
29:55hindi ko na,
29:57kung baga,
29:58inano sa sarili ko na,
29:59mga obligated pa ako na,
30:01mag-explain.
30:03Um,
30:03you see for yourself,
30:06you know,
30:06parang ganon yung prinsipyo ko.
30:08See for yourself,
30:09and what,
30:10what you see,
30:11what you get,
30:11parang ganon.
30:12So,
30:12kung kailangan ko,
30:13explain,
30:14may mga,
30:14may mga,
30:16pagkatataon na,
30:17and people na,
30:18kailangan ng explanation,
30:19din,
30:19explain ko,
30:20or in a,
30:21in a respectful manner and all,
30:24and,
30:25na,
30:25nasa-satisfy din naman sila sa explanation na binibigay ko,
30:28and may mga tao din na,
30:31na thankful,
30:32na buti na ganon,
30:33kesa,
30:34ano,
30:34hindi naman sa pag-ano,
30:36kesa sa,
30:37kinocompare na ako,
30:38so,
30:38binabawalan ko na sila,
30:39I,
30:39I cut them short,
30:41kung kinocompare nila ako sa iba na,
30:43ah,
30:43buti ka pa,
30:44lumabas,
30:45na nilbigang ka,
30:46yung iba,
30:46hindi,
30:47parang ganon,
30:47hindi na,
30:48hindi na naging,
30:49ah,
30:49hindi ko na gina,
30:50hindi na,
30:51hindi na anon,
30:51maging issue yun.
30:52So,
30:53I just lay down my,
30:55my explanation mo on what,
30:57what happened to me,
30:58even to my family,
30:59first of all,
31:00basically,
31:01yun sa mga kapatid ko,
31:02so,
31:02kinocompare nila ako.
31:04Habang nangyayari ito,
31:05Father Henry,
31:06no,
31:07how was your relationship with God?
31:12Nawala si God yung,
31:14nawala si God sa usapan natin,
31:16eh,
31:17but,
31:17of course,
31:18still part and parcel of your life,
31:21di ba?
31:22Is that,
31:22is your,
31:23iba,
31:23kakaibang relationship mo with God,
31:26eh?
31:26five years,
31:26five years,
31:26five years?
31:27Um,
31:28well,
31:28what can I say?
31:31Um,
31:32actually,
31:34the more,
31:34the deeper,
31:35the deeper I became,
31:37you know,
31:37connected,
31:39um,
31:41um,
31:42although,
31:43siyempre,
31:43the long years of formation,
31:45talagang,
31:46malaling din naman yung,
31:47but,
31:48parang,
31:48parang,
31:50paano ko ma-describe,
31:51parang,
31:52parang,
31:52nandyan lang siya,
31:53nakasmile,
31:54you know,
31:54parang,
31:54he always had that,
31:56that smile of approval,
31:59ah,
31:59approval?
32:00I never felt,
32:01you know,
32:02ah,
32:02I never felt,
32:03yun ang,
32:04ano mo,
32:04pero may takot ako,
32:06ah,
32:06I tell you,
32:07Tita Mel,
32:07may takot ako.
32:08Talaga?
32:09Even,
32:09even in some,
32:11circumstances na,
32:12may,
32:13tinatamaan pa rin naman ako,
32:14ng,
32:16kumbaga,
32:16parang,
32:17pagsisisi,
32:18and paghili ng tawad,
32:19saka yung ano,
32:20ano,
32:20ano,
32:21nangyari,
32:22hindi mo rin maalis dyan,
32:23hindi mo rin naman maalis dyan,
32:24kasi,
32:25kasi tayong tao,
32:26tayong may memory,
32:28di ba,
32:28tayong may memory,
32:30yung Diyos,
32:31wala namang memory,
32:32yung Diyos,
32:32parang palaging bago siya,
32:34yun,
32:34parang,
32:35parang may,
32:35ako,
32:35nakikita ko,
32:36every time I look up,
32:38and,
32:39na,
32:39nagiging aware ako ng kanyang presence,
32:42yun,
32:42parang,
32:43parang,
32:44parang,
32:44kinitingan niya ako with a smile,
32:46and,
32:46the only pinch of approval,
32:48kumbaga,
32:49na,
32:50parang,
32:51siguro,
32:53I don't know,
32:54parang,
32:54wala namang,
32:55parang,
32:56walang mali,
32:57o,
32:58walang maling nangyari,
32:59parang,
33:00both,
33:01you know,
33:02state,
33:03talagang,
33:03masaya ko noon,
33:05when I was in the ministry,
33:06masaya rin ako ngayon,
33:08as a family man,
33:08so,
33:09parang,
33:09you know,
33:10without,
33:11without justifying things,
33:13and,
33:13if ever,
33:15I am,
33:16still,
33:16to face,
33:17you know,
33:18some consequences sa actions ko,
33:20sa decisions ko,
33:22I'm ready for it,
33:23but,
33:23parang,
33:24na,
33:25na,
33:25kukuha nyo,
33:26na,
33:27na,
33:27tatakpan yung,
33:28kumbaga,
33:28sa,
33:29pagtingin ko sa kanya,
33:32um,
33:33kumbaga,
33:35maybe,
33:35he tolerates,
33:36maybe,
33:37he wouldn't approve,
33:38pero,
33:38he tolerates things,
33:40that happened to me.
33:42Kamusta kayo ni Clarice ngayon?
33:43Gustong isyo.
33:45Father,
33:46Henry.
33:46Oo,
33:46okay po nga,
33:47kamusta naman kami,
33:48and,
33:50normal and ordinary family life naman,
33:53and,
33:54may mga,
33:55may mga ups and downs pa rin,
33:58may mga,
33:59you know,
34:00the,
34:01fears and joys,
34:02and,
34:03you know,
34:03yung,
34:04you know,
34:04yung lahat ng,
34:05kuha naman ang,
34:06ng buhay ng,
34:07pamilya nandyan.
34:09Father Henry,
34:10magbigay ka nga ng sermon,
34:12sa mga manunod natin ngayon.
34:16What,
34:16would be,
34:18an appropriate,
34:19an appropriate,
34:20topic,
34:21no,
34:22for you,
34:24na,
34:25bigyan mo ng araw lang,
34:26ating mga televiewers,
34:28based on your,
34:29life and your experience.
34:32Go ahead.
34:33Sa mga,
34:34sa mga nanunood ng kwento ko,
34:37wag kayong matakot,
34:38don't be afraid.
34:41Don't be afraid dahil,
34:44kahit na may mga,
34:46may mga likulikong,
34:48daan sa ating buhay,
34:51um,
34:53don't be afraid kasi,
34:54Diyos lang naman talaga yung makapagawa ng,
34:57straight lines,
34:58out of,
34:59out of crooked lines,
35:01na,
35:01nangyayari sa buhay ng isang tao.
35:05Don't be afraid.
35:07Just keep on.
35:09May mga,
35:10sa buhay ko,
35:10may mga maraming instances,
35:12na,
35:13maraming likuliko,
35:14parang highway na papuntang north,
35:17and,
35:18uh,
35:18may mga bako-bako.
35:19And every time na,
35:22every time na,
35:24may mga,
35:25sa pag,
35:25ano ko,
35:26sa mga likulikong daan,
35:28um,
35:28nandyan palagi yung Diyos.
35:30Um,
35:30may,
35:31may assurance na binibigay siya na,
35:35kahit mga,
35:36likuliko itong daan na ito,
35:38bako-bakong mga daan ito,
35:39kaya niyang gawin,
35:41straight yan.
35:42Kaya niyang gawin,
35:43ano,
35:43kasi,
35:44uh,
35:44that is a,
35:45that of creation,
35:46no,
35:46siya yung creative siya,
35:49na,
35:50hindi,
35:50yung creation niya,
35:51hindi lang one-time,
35:52uh,
35:53act,
35:54uh,
35:54even until now,
35:56even,
35:57until now,
35:57he creates,
35:58you know,
35:58straight lines,
36:00out of crooked lines.
36:01Kaya,
36:02uh,
36:02just keep,
36:04in God's will,
36:05and,
36:05uh,
36:05don't be afraid.
36:07Um,
36:07ako,
36:08alimbawa,
36:08sa kwento ko,
36:10um,
36:11ang pagiging husband ko,
36:13halimbawa,
36:14uh,
36:14tinuturoan akong maging mas,
36:16mas mas inhuman,
36:17mas maging tao.
36:19And,
36:20uh,
36:20at the same time,
36:20yung paliging priest ko,
36:23tinuturoan niya ako na maging,
36:25uh,
36:26maging instrument or presence of God's grace.
36:30O,
36:30na,
36:30basically,
36:30sa family ko,
36:31and sa mga communities na,
36:34na pupuntahan ko.
36:35So,
36:36um,
36:36don't be afraid,
36:37kasi,
36:38God is a God of creation.
36:40Uh,
36:40He creates,
36:41you know,
36:41great lines,
36:42out of protected lines.
36:44Um,
36:45hindi naman,
36:46kailangan niyong Diyos na superhero ka.
36:48Um,
36:49kailangan niya lang,
36:50ng somebody na open,
36:52and somebody na willing to,
36:54to,
36:55to take upon themselves,
36:57kung ano ang,
36:59ang naragapat,
37:00kung anong gusto ng,
37:01ng Panginoon.
37:03Um,
37:03yun naman kasi yung,
37:04basically,
37:05yung,
37:06sa essence ng paliging disciples.
37:08Yes.
37:09Uh,
37:09we are open to,
37:11to what God wants us to be,
37:13to become.
37:15And,
37:16uh,
37:16yung bagay na yun,
37:17hindi yung one-shot thing,
37:19hindi yung,
37:20uh,
37:20nangyari na sa'yo ngayon,
37:21wala na.
37:22No,
37:23it's a process.
37:24So,
37:24alamaw ako,
37:25yung,
37:26yung pagiging,
37:27husband ko,
37:28ang pagiging priest ko,
37:30they,
37:30they,
37:31they do not,
37:32you know,
37:32they do not confront each other.
37:34And,
37:34actually,
37:35uh,
37:36they keep on conversing with each other.
37:38So,
37:39yun ang,
37:40um,
37:41may,
37:41may siswil ko siguro sa mga,
37:43nanonood ng tuwento ko.
37:45Mm-hmm.
37:45Just don't be afraid,
37:47because,
37:47only God,
37:48you can,
37:49make straight lines,
37:50out of crooked lines.
37:52That's so true.
37:53That's so true.
37:54Only God.
37:55Only God.
37:56No?
37:56Thank you very,
37:57very much.
37:58Father Henry,
37:59maraming maraming salamat,
38:00no,
38:01sa oras na ibinigay mo sa amin.
38:03And,
38:03uh,
38:04yes,
38:05and God bless you,
38:06and your whole family.
38:08Thank you so much.
38:09God bless you.
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