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00:00You've guided me to a spot where I think this conversation actually lives,
00:05which is not to say, oh, should they bench Purdy?
00:08Silliness.
00:09Is there a QB controversy?
00:11Of course not.
00:13Is Mac Jones the future?
00:15Bananas.
00:16Like, all of these things.
00:17Like, I don't know what the future holds as far as these guys' health.
00:21I do think it's funny that people are only worried about Brock's health.
00:24Mac Jones is, like, dry-keeping on the sideline.
00:27Nobody's worried about his health.
00:29Nobody's got any questions about his health.
00:32But the conversation lies in the scenario that you just kind of threw out there
00:37and that we were talking about.
00:39And it is this.
00:41Do you think for the future of the 49ers or, quite frankly, any team,
00:48is the idea, hey, let's find a good quarterback and let's do 50-plus million dollars
00:54because the quarterback is the quarterback,
00:56or would you rather constantly be fluid at that position,
01:02therefore spending way less money on the quarterback,
01:05see if you can find somebody who's going to win some games for you,
01:08and then bolster the rest of the roster with all of that money.
01:13Now, I would absolutely pick the, if you've got somebody who can take you to a Super Bowl,
01:19I'm fully okay with 50 million dollars for that player.
01:23And here's the reason why.
01:24Even if you loved Mac, and let's say Mac would win all of the overtime games,
01:30and he's going to take you to the promised land.
01:33All right.
01:34Now what do you do next year?
01:35Because what the hell do you think Mac's going to ask for if he takes you to the Super Bowl?
01:42He will be in a contract year next year.
01:45What exactly do you think he's going to do?
01:47Oh, well, I'm just so thankful to the organization.
01:50I'll show up for four million dollars.
01:53Nope.
01:54Nope.
01:54That's not the way.
01:55So at a certain point, you're going to have to address this,
01:58unless you feel like you can just make this a relay race
02:02and have people handing batons to each other every year or two.
02:04But if you have this elite head coach who is the quarterback whisperer
02:09and he got Sam Darnold paid, and then he got paid again,
02:13and now Mac Jones comes in and he's looking good.
02:15So, yeah, why not go ahead and just kick the can down the road
02:19and don't pay a guy 53 million who is good
02:22when you can find pretty good for four million and have him be pretty good,
02:27and then you find the next pretty good,
02:29and you continue to build your roster around him,
02:32and you have a team that's much more complete
02:34than what you have now.
02:36I mean, it's risky.
02:37The answer is that you're not going to bat 1,000
02:40on finding the guy to come in and actually still win games for you.
02:43But you'll bat 900 if you're Kyle Shanahan.
02:46Will you?
02:46Absolutely.
02:47He drafted C.J. Beathard.
02:49He drafted Trey Lance.
02:50Like, I don't think, I don't know where the evidence is
02:53that you'll bat that.
02:54Like, so far, prior to Mac Jones,
02:57the sum total of what we got is Jimmy and Brock.
02:59That's it.
03:00You found Jimmy.
03:01You made Jimmy into something that he's never been again.
03:04Correct.
03:04And you brought in Mac Jones,
03:07and Mac Jones, so far he's undefeated.
03:09Yes.
03:10And you had Sam come in,
03:11and Sam gives all his praise to Brock Purdy.
03:14He does.
03:14And Brock learned from Kyle,
03:16so, you know,
03:17and Kyle gets credit for everything else he did
03:19previous to this as an offensive coordinator.
03:22Matt Schaub was never as good as Matt Schaub was under Kyle.
03:26So, I do think that there's a lot to that.
03:28Yeah, you don't need to sell Kyle to me.
03:30I'm not.
03:31But, I mean, you know,
03:32the other side to it is Sam Darnold is a wonderful example.
03:36What happens when a QB comes in,
03:39and you're like,
03:39and he didn't even play.
03:40He didn't even play for Kyle Shanahan.
03:42Once, and he lost.
03:43Exactly.
03:44But, Sam Darnold, okay,
03:46this was like a pivot point in his career, right?
03:49Well, as soon as it happens, where does he go?
03:50He leaves.
03:52And he goes to Minnesota.
03:53And Kevin O'Connell kind of did what you're suggesting.
03:57Just bring Sam Darnold in here.
03:59And we'll ham and egg this thing.
04:00And Sam Darnold has a wonderful year.
04:02And the Vikings go 14-3.
04:05Flames out in the playoffs, but whatever.
04:07He went 14-3.
04:08And what happened the very next year?
04:10Gone.
04:12So, now what?
04:13You're going to go do it again?
04:15And are you going to bat that kind of an average
04:18where you honestly feel like he can just almost bring in anybody?
04:23And do this?
04:24These guys do not grow on trees.
04:27So, like, I just think there's a lot of holes in this concept.
04:32And it would be pretty hard to make it a reality
04:34and have your team be relevant every year.
04:36It would be easier to make your team relevant
04:38if you had that $50 million extra to go ahead and spread around.
04:43And this is where I think about the Trey Lance part of it,
04:45where you gave up two draft picks,
04:47two first-rounders to move up and get Trey.
04:49I know it was three, but you got one back, so you get my point.
04:52But wouldn't you like to have those two first-round picks right now?
04:56You sure would.
04:57On this team?
04:57Assuming that you didn't miss on them, Ken Law and Reuben Foster.
05:02Assume that you actually hit on those first-round picks.
05:04You'd love to have them.
05:05And so, I think about $45 million extra next year under the cap,
05:11you could sprinkle that around and have an extra pass rusher
05:14and bring in a left tackle.
05:15But who's your QB?
05:17Let's say they didn't do the Trey Lance deal.
05:19Whoever, fresh body.
05:21Jimmy, fresh body.
05:23That's hard, man.
05:24It's not hard when you're the quarterback whisperer.
05:27It is hard.
05:27You've got this laminated play sheet, and you turn coal into diamonds,
05:32then go find some more coal and make a diamond.
05:35Jimmy was already a veteran when he got here.
05:38Kind of.
05:39Yeah, he was.
05:39He started two games.
05:41And he had played under Tom Brady.
05:43Like, if we're going to give credit to people who you learn under,
05:46then there's something to be said for that.
05:48Right?
05:49Brock Purdy comes in.
05:51He was a rookie.
05:52I happen to think he's pretty special.
05:54So, there's that.
05:56But outside of that, all the examples of what you're talking about,
06:00I don't know how they would have worked.
06:01And if they're rookies all the time that you're bringing in, whew.
06:07Like, because the rookies, even the good ones, man, it takes a second usually.
06:12It takes a minute.
06:13I like the way Jackson Dart looks.
06:15He's not going to win anything this year.
06:17He's not going to win.
06:19Right?
06:20So.
06:20Jackson shart yesterday, am I right?
06:22Well.
06:23A lot of turnovers.
06:24Yeah, they weren't all on him.
06:26Yeah.
06:27I stand by it, Grandy.
06:28And I just was watching your fantasy team.
06:31I was watching all the fantasy team.
06:32I'm like, oh, he started Jackson Dart.
06:34And then just.
06:35I have to start Jackson Dart.
06:36Sure.
06:37Joe Burrow was my QB.
06:38Yeah, that's unfortunate.
06:39That's a tough break.
06:40There are enough, like, younger veterans out there that you can go ahead and repurpose this thing.
06:46You can go grab somebody else's backup and slap him in there.
06:51That's tough.
06:51Let's go, Shanahan.
06:52That's tough.
06:53You guys are asking.
06:54That's asking a lot.
06:55All right.
06:55Let's go to Rich in Los Altos.
06:57Hey, Rich.
06:58Hey, guys.
07:01Thanks for letting me on.
07:03I'm really liking the show today.
07:04First of all, if I could say real quick, I kind of, I mean, respectfully, of course, I
07:10don't like the narrative that blaming everyone for Trey Lance, that was a huge, catastrophic
07:15injury he had.
07:16And had he not had that, I don't think everyone can say for sure that he'd be a bust.
07:20I'm not prepared to say that.
07:22He just, it was bad circumstance.
07:23But, I mean, that injury, he barely is a miracle he can walk almost.
07:27Anyway, but as a side note, I think, I think the reason the guys like Brock Purdy and just
07:32a handful of guys get the $50 billion a second is because, basically, you've got to be born.
07:38You can't throw a duck.
07:40You know, you can't.
07:41You saw it.
07:41I mean, Jimmy G didn't throw ducks.
07:43He had a pretty nice people.
07:44But, you know, that mid-range, he, that says the thing floated.
07:47That's my problem with him all the time.
07:48And that's Mack, too.
07:50So, I think these games are barely winning against not too good of teams.
07:53I mean, I know the Rams are legit, but, I mean, look at Stafford the other night.
07:56You saw, like, when he was on the play, that's major league quarterback, you know, just, you
08:01know, 30 yards, 20 yards, 20 yards.
08:02So, and I think that's the difference between Brock Purdy.
08:05So, when you go, when you're going to go against teams like Philadelphia and, you know, the big
08:09boys, these days you need, it's a no-brainer.
08:12You need one of those guys.
08:13And like you said, those guys don't grow on trees.
08:16The Mack Jones, I mean, he got to study same as Jimmy G under the same guys, right?
08:20So, he had a lot, came with a lot of benefit, and he's obviously a smart guy.
08:23And, I mean, he's cool.
08:24I'm not bashing him by any means, but I think it's just a silly talk.
08:28That's why the league isn't paying him $50 million.
08:31And, like, and he's like, anyway, I don't want to turn this into negative.
08:36That's all I got.
08:37I want to talk to Lee's saying.
08:38I really like today.
08:38Yeah, Rich, thanks.
08:39Appreciate it.
08:40Appreciate it.
08:41Yeah, 888-957-9570.
08:43I mean, again, like, I get where you're coming from.
08:49I think a lot gets asked of the quarterbacks and the head coaches in this league.
08:55You are now suggesting we ask even more.
08:59Like, now you're asking a coach basically every three years, go find somebody new.
09:04And, you're asking that quarterback to pick up a very complicated system in now a condensed period of time.
09:12Like, come in and be amazing right away.
09:16And then, and I know we're in a hypothetical space.
09:18I also think this would be very, very bad for the team's PR around the league with other players and agents.
09:26Because there is absolutely the idea of, if somebody comes in and does really well, you take care of them.
09:34Like, I don't think players, free agents and whatnot, and teammates.
09:37I think teammates would hate that.
09:38I'm going to go play for the team that's swapping out their QB every two and a half years, even if he wins.
09:45Like, I have no idea what's about to happen next.
09:48So, I just think that I get the financial side of what you're all saying.
09:52It does not feel realistic to me as an actual approach to their business.
09:56Depends on how you go about it.
09:58And, I think about Seattle, who is now on their third quarterback in the last four years.
10:03They had Russ, and they got to a spot where they thought that he was not good anymore, and they were right.
10:08And so, they brought in Geno Smith for a couple, and then they didn't want to pay Geno, so they brought in Sam Darnold.
10:13And so, that team has been able to do exactly kind of this, which is go from an aging veteran to another veteran to another veteran.
10:20And, I don't know who's going to come behind Sam Darnold, but Seattle right now is a team that is still competitive.
10:26They're still winning.
10:27Competitive.
10:28Right.
10:28Competitive.
10:29Well, what are the Niners?
10:31The Niners have been deep in the playoffs twice, actually three times, four times under Kyle Shanahan.
10:37Right, but only twice under Brock Purdy.
10:40Yeah.
10:40And so...
10:41Yeah, he's only played for his only his fourth year.
10:43Right.
10:43Like, I'm not, like, I'm not going to look at Seattle and be like, whew, they're doing it right.
10:48Like, that's not, they're not relevant.
10:51They're okay.
10:52They might sneak into the playoffs and get blasted in round one.
10:55But they're not threatening anybody, and they won't this year either.
10:58I don't think.
10:59And will the Niners threaten anyone this year?
11:01Maybe.
11:02Maybe.
11:02If they get all their guys back, maybe.
11:05I mean, they're four and one.
11:06Sure.
11:07They're four and one, and they built that while they have nowhere near their best pitch.
11:13Seattle has been largely healthy.
11:15They're three and two.
11:16No, he's good.
11:17He's solid.
11:17Right.
11:18I don't think he's going to win a bowl.
11:20I don't think that they, at any point...
11:22Well, I don't think either one of these teams will win the bowl.
11:24I have no idea what the Niners are going to become when they get their people.
11:26I would say they both are going to be in the playoffs, Seattle and the Niners, I would bet.
11:30That's going to be...
11:31You have three teams coming out of the West?
11:33Right.
11:34You look at three wild cards, and if I look at the East, well, I don't think that the Giants
11:40or Dallas are going to be in the playoffs.
11:43Washington's a maybe at this point.
11:46The North, you've got Detroit and Green Bay.
11:48Okay.
11:49Minnesota and Chicago, no.
11:51The South, please.
11:53You're a one-bid conference.
11:56You always are.
11:57And so then you need two more, and those two, they come from the West.
12:01No, if the West gets three, then you're automatically saying either Green Bay or Washington's not going.
12:08Right.
12:09Okay.
12:09It's like Washington.
12:10They're not going.
12:11All right.
12:12And, I mean, Washington's win yesterday was...
12:14I think Washington's going.
12:15Nice, nice win.
12:17I think Washington's going.
12:18Let's give them some credit.
12:19They're 3-2, and they've lost their QB for two games, too.
12:21Right, and they got him back, and they beat a Charger team that was...
12:25Really good.
12:26...but really bad yesterday.
12:28And, you know, now they don't have a running back, and they don't have a tackle, and that
12:31offense yesterday, the Chargers offense, was not very impressive.
12:34It's unfortunate.
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12:49Okay.
12:51Jan in Mountain View.
12:52Hey, Jan.
12:52Thanks for calling.
12:53What's going on?
12:55Yes.
12:56Good afternoon.
12:56I just wanted to point out that, okay, as far as the quarterback goes, I'm not really
13:05concerned who it is.
13:06I'm more concerned about that, okay, the 49ers were able to replenish the defensive line this
13:14year, and it's helped out tremendously, and they're coming along pretty darn good, but
13:21now we've got to do the same with the offensive line to help protect the quarterback, like Trent
13:28Williams is getting up there in age, and he's slumping a little, and you need to replenish
13:35these players as well, and get them up to speed so that they can help the quarterback
13:40maintain, and because we've had in the past, why Purdy was so successful in the beginning
13:50is because he had those players around him to help him, and now they wanted new contracts,
13:58and they couldn't afford them anymore, and they had to move on, and the same thing is true
14:05here, and I think that's what Shanahan needs to go and invest in next year.
14:11Jim, there's no, yeah, thanks, Jan.
14:13There's no doubt.
14:14I mean, I think that everybody who watches the Niners has some level of discomfort with
14:20the current state of and depth of their offensive line.
14:25That, I think that's, like, they cannot run the football.
14:29Oh, my goodness.
14:30Dead last in yards per carry.
14:32Yeah.
14:32Dead last.
14:33Yeah.
14:33And at 3.1 per carry.
14:36To take any of this, though, and say, okay, the business strategy now is we're going to
14:43replenish the QB every three years.
14:47Bold strategy, Cotton.
14:49Let's see how it works out for him.
14:51Well, it's also as bold to give $53 million to a guy who may or may not be good enough.
14:58Maybe, but at least.
14:59That's a bold strategy.
15:00Well, look, then you're going to be bold one way or you're going to be bold another way.
15:05I would offer up this, even if that's your thought.
15:08You know, oh, you didn't have to pay Brock.
15:11Well, okay.
15:12So, if the contract doesn't end up being perfect, at least, at least you are offering stability.
15:22At least you are offering continuity.
15:25At least that contract, as it ages, automatically lessens.
15:31Right?
15:31That's the other thing about these deals.
15:33When you stretch them out.
15:35You know, Patrick Mahomes' deal, when he signed it, it was like, holy hell.
15:39Yeah.
15:39Hey, give him a billion dollars.
15:40And then a couple years later, it's like they're paying their quarterback less than any other good team in the entire NFL.
15:48And that's true here, too.
15:49It's completely true.
15:51Like, this contract hasn't even started yet.
15:54Yep.
15:54So, four years from now, where does it rank in the NFL?
15:58Probably middle of the pack.
16:00It's already behind almost 10 contracts as it stands now.
16:04Right?
16:0553?
16:06Sure.
16:07And it hasn't even started.
16:08Right.
16:08And when you actually get to that four years down the road, the numbers, they start to get crazy.
16:15And I'm looking at the contract right now.
16:162029, the cap hit is $72.5 million.
16:20So, when you get to that point, if he is still a Niner, that gets ripped up.
16:26That gets ripped up.
16:27And you get another restarted deal where it's cash up front.
16:31You lessen the cap hit and all the rest of it.
16:33So, I understand that part of it.
16:35And I'm not saying that I'm out on Brock Purdy.
16:37You know I'm in on Brock Purdy.
16:39Of course.
16:39But I just think about next year when he starts to make the $53 million and what you can and cannot do with the rest of your roster.
16:48And a roster that needs desperately some upgrades.
16:51No doubt about it.
16:52And that's why I think that this is like, this is an interesting conversation.
16:56I find it to be.
16:57But I'm going to keep pushing people to answer that age-old question.
17:02If you didn't want to pay Brock, then let's go.
17:05Roll down the road of what exactly you wanted to do.
17:07So, let's do it.
17:09Let's hear it.
17:09Let's hear it.
17:10All of us crazy people who are just throwing $53 million out.
17:14Okay, fine.
17:14We're wrong.
17:15We're wrong.
17:16What did you want to do?
17:18What did you want to do that has actually some staying power, some smarts, some sustainability that makes sense around the league and it keeps the 49ers relevant going forward?
17:30Please tell me you're offering something more than, I don't know, look around.
17:36Big Mac.
17:37See what we can find?
17:39Mac Jones.
17:40Yeah, right.
17:40Mac Jones.
17:41And it's easier to say now than it was a month ago.
17:44And so now Mac takes you to the playoffs and then he goes into the final year of his deal and he holds out next August.
17:52All right.
17:53What do you do?
17:54You poke around at who has a wristband and can throw the football and you say, you know what, Kyle?
18:01You're so good at this.
18:02You're the best coach in football.
18:03You know what?
18:04You're the best coach in all of sports.
18:06I'm going to give you this lump of crap and you go ahead and make him into a winning quarterback because that's what you do.
18:11You be whisperer.
18:13And that's what he'll do.
18:14Didn't they already answer this when they realized Jimmy wasn't the guy?
18:19They went and they tried to get the young quarterback on a rookie scale deal.
18:23And they just struck out on winning during that rookie scale deal.
18:27And how'd that go?
18:28They ended up finding the rookie quarterback.
18:30That was an incredible value.
18:33Lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky.
18:34Not lucky skill.
18:35You're Kyle Shanahan.
18:36Come on, man.
18:37No, you come on, man.
18:39Come on.
18:39Are you telling me Brock Purdy in Carolina?
18:41Is Brock Purdy here?
18:43No.
18:43Of course not.
18:44Of course not.
18:44Brock Purdy in Jacksonville?
18:46But you're not going to discredit Brock to the point of like that could have been anybody.
18:51And you know that.
18:52No.
18:52You know that.
18:52Couldn't have been anybody.
18:53They got, this worked out for them.
18:56But it did not have to go that way.
18:59And Grandy is right.
19:00Grandy's not right.
19:01The mental approach they took to this, at minimum, threatened to totally blow up in their faces.
19:13So, I just like, wow.
19:16But that approach was born from them signing a quarterback to a record-breaking deal,
19:21realizing he wasn't good enough, and then having to scrap that, is my point.
19:26They signed Jimmy Garoppolo to a record deal at that point, realized he wasn't good enough,
19:30and said, you know what, we're going to package three first-round picks and take a shot on the young guy.
19:34I'm not terribly comfortable with the word realized, because he also took them to a Super Bowl and two long playoff runs.
19:40I think that they thought, you know what, for the money we're spending, we think that we can do better.
19:47We think that we can find someone that's going to replicate this for a lot less so that we can bolster things around him with this particular player.
19:56By the way, they were totally wrong, and then they lucked into being right, right?
20:03Yes.
20:03So, like, all I'm saying is, what you guys are suggesting is not off the table, but my God, you're walking through a minefield,
20:14and you could end up really crappy for a really long time.
20:18And by the way, I don't even know how the hell Kyle keeps his job through that.
20:22Like, you're basically being like, find someone.
20:26Okay, what if you're wrong the first time?
20:27Are you keeping him?
20:29You keeping Kyle?
20:30Yeah.
20:30Okay.
20:31Kyle's amazeballs.
20:32What if he's wrong the second time?
20:33I mean, how would he be wrong?
20:36By drafting or signing the wrong person, which he has done.
20:40Right.
20:40He has done this.
20:41I mean, if you want to put the Trey Lance thing on him, we don't know who that is on.
20:46Kyle makes the calls on offense.
20:49100%.
20:49He messed that up.
20:50Yes, he did.
20:50But he got the Jimmy Garoppolo right.
20:52And he sure found Brock Purdy.
20:54Yes, he did.
20:55He got that one right.
20:55So, if you don't think that he has the ability to go out there and look around the league
21:00and say, you know what?
21:01So-and-so who's a backup or so-and-so who's out there, I think I could do something with
21:05him.
21:06He's done it before.
21:07Every other backup he's brought in has sucked.
21:10I mean, those guys were around crappy teams.
21:13No, they weren't.
21:14Brandon Allen was not on a crappy team.
21:16Josh Dobbs was not on a crappy team.
21:18Those guys started minimal games.
21:19And Brandon Allen was on a crappy team.
21:22By the time he got to start in Green Bay, you didn't have McCaffrey, you didn't have
21:26Trent, you didn't have Charverius, whatever, right?
21:29Mack Jones didn't have a bunch of his people either.
21:31Right.
21:31He'd win football games.
21:32He had Kendrick Bourne, who apparently is the bee's knees.
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