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Evil Lives Here Season 18 Episode 10
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00:00A lot of stuff that happened when we were kids could mess you up forever.
00:12He was like a whirling dervish. He would grunt at you. He'll come over and throat punch you.
00:24And I was scared of him even when he was in prison for the longest time, but I have to tell the story so if he ever gets out, hopefully somebody will understand. Don't let him into your life. Don't let him in.
00:54I always knew that the day would come that somebody would want to tell his story.
01:04He is one of those monsters that you see on TV. It's hard.
01:12I'm so ready to do this interview to be done with the whole thing, but he terrorized me.
01:24It just makes me sad for what he did to me and other people. I wasn't the only one. It breaks me. It breaks my heart. It just hurts my soul.
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02:20I have two sisters and a brother, Patrick.
02:38He's about four years younger than me.
02:43My mom and dad broke up, and my mom was with Bern.
02:49That's Patrick's dad.
02:51And they got married, and it was toxic from the beginning.
02:58Patrick was crazy ever since he was, like, a toddler.
03:04But even though he was like that, he was just my brother.
03:07I didn't know that he was going to be the monster he came out to be.
03:14In the middle of the night one night, I could smell something.
03:41And it smelled like a fire.
03:46And I woke up a little bit, and I was like, why am I smelling fire?
03:52I could see that the bathroom door was shut, and then I saw that there was a glow.
04:00And I opened the door, and there was a big fire in the sink.
04:07Patrick was actually lighting fires in the sink.
04:15And I watched him.
04:16I said, what are you doing?
04:20And he laughed.
04:22And he goes, I'm having fun.
04:24Isn't this great?
04:26Patrick's eyes went, they were like almost black, but you could almost see, like, a fire in there.
04:35And I was like, we have to put it out.
04:39It's going to spread.
04:40I started screaming for my mom and dad.
04:44And then I got in trouble for it, because I didn't stop him before he did it.
04:49I don't know why that would be my fault, but Patrick had already went back to his bed and went to sleep.
05:05We were trying to put out the flames, and he's asleep.
05:09Next room, like, nothing happened.
05:12Every camping trip, every excursion he got with dad,
05:41he got more sinister.
05:44It was the last time they went.
05:47They came home earlier than they were supposed to.
05:51And even my dad looked kind of weirded out about Patrick.
05:57I think he saw something not right about Patrick that last trip.
06:04It ended really abruptly.
06:06The look on Patrick's face, almost like more of a fire in his eyes.
06:15Really sinister.
06:16I think something that Patrick did that time scared even my dad.
06:26Did he hurt somebody?
06:28Did he try to hurt somebody?
06:30I don't know.
06:31Still to this day, I'm waiting for a phone call from a police department from where he lived in southern Ohio,
06:43saying they found all these bodies.
06:45I just, I don't know.
06:48My dad got Patrick this gift one day.
07:00It was this BB gun.
07:06We lived in this wooded area, and I could hear something.
07:12And it was him.
07:16He was shooting.
07:19I was like, what are you doing?
07:21And he told me, they try to run for me.
07:25They hide, but I will find them.
07:28I know how to find them.
07:29He was shooting cats and dogs that were just running around in the neighborhood.
07:39And I was like, stop.
07:41You got to stop.
07:42You got to stop.
07:43But he didn't.
07:44He didn't stop.
07:47So I took the gun, and Patrick's like, no, no, no.
07:53But I took the gun, and I put it in the house, and I put it on the table.
07:56And Patrick came in, and he just looked at me.
08:05And the look on his face, it was like, like an animal.
08:14And he got that gun, and he started beating me with it.
08:19I mean, beating me with it.
08:21He was just, like, fueled by hurting me.
08:30I was trying to get under the dining room table.
08:33I was bleeding because it gashed me because the stop was so hard.
08:41It got worse and worse every time he hit.
08:47It fueled his fire.
08:50And he was like, he's like, I am the man.
08:54I am.
08:55He was like, I am God.
08:57Nobody messes with me.
09:00I thought I was going to die that day, too.
09:01And my dad was sitting in his chair watching it.
09:16He didn't stop him.
09:19He was almost like my dad was proud that I raised him right.
09:25But my grandma was there, and she was freaking out.
09:35They thought she was going to have a heart attack.
09:38And then my dad made him stop.
09:43I was in the hospital for two days.
09:45I had a concussion.
09:50I had to have stitches over here and in my knee.
09:57My ribs were deep bone bruises.
10:02The doctor said if he'd hit me square on, I'd have been dead.
10:07He was a monster.
10:09He was, he was like a monster when they just hatch.
10:31Oh, that's me.
10:33I was like 11, I think.
10:35I had to wear a turtleneck because I had, I had a little bit of bruises.
10:45I knew my life wasn't like anybody else's.
10:50One of my friend's moms picked me up from school, and I went to their house.
10:57Night and day, man.
11:00The parents were nice.
11:03The kids were nice.
11:05Nobody was screaming.
11:08Nobody was getting hurt.
11:09I told my friend, it's like this all the time.
11:13And she's like, what do you mean?
11:15Nobody yells here.
11:16I was at the middle school, and I got a phone call from my dad because he was at work.
11:33And he said that Patrick had gotten into trouble.
11:38This kid at school had this new truck that he got for his birthday, and he was playing with it at recess.
11:49And Patrick wanted the truck, and he wouldn't let Patrick have the truck.
11:53Patrick put this kid in the hospital, and I came home, and he was already home with my dad, waiting for me.
12:07Yeah, and I got, I didn't get all the way in the house before I was on the ground.
12:15And that time, my dad hit me a few times, and when I was on the floor, Patrick kicked me a few times.
12:27My dad would tell us, maybe it'll be your lucky day, but maybe it won't.
12:33Maybe this will be your last day on earth.
12:39I think I passed out a little bit.
12:42All I know is a little while later, I woke up.
12:45My dad said, clean up this mess.
12:47You got to start dinner.
12:48Your mom's not going to be home until 6 o'clock.
12:51So, I started cooking dinner.
12:56I was in trouble because I didn't save him from hurting somebody.
13:05I still don't understand that.
13:08It was right before Christmas time, so I was doing a lot of babysitting.
13:23And I got home, it was right before 11.30.
13:28So, I went to bed.
13:30And something didn't feel right.
13:34It didn't seem right.
13:36And I looked around.
13:41And he was sitting in a chair.
13:48I froze for a bit.
13:50I thought I was dreaming.
13:52It was just a nightmare.
13:55He was just looking at my bed.
13:59I looked towards my sisters to see if they were all right.
14:02And when I first looked at them, I thought they were already dead.
14:08I didn't see them breathing right away.
14:10And he's just eating chips.
14:19I was like, Patrick, what are you doing in here?
14:21And he goes, nothing.
14:23I'm just watching you.
14:25I said, why are you watching me?
14:28No reason.
14:29Not right now.
14:29I said, how about you go and leave me alone, or I'm just going to have to wake up dad.
14:38So, he went back to bed.
14:39It was weird.
14:43Real weird.
14:44And I didn't want to go to sleep, because what he was going to do, I didn't know what he was going to do.
14:50I was like, yeah, he's coming to kill me.
14:53I watched him grow into a monster, and I tried to stop it.
15:11It was Labor Day.
15:14I come home, and I went to bed thinking it was just me and my stereo, because my mom and the kids weren't there.
15:23So, I just turned on the stereo and went to sleep in my room.
15:30Patrick, he came into the house with one of his friends.
15:35They were like 14, 15 years old, and they were so drunk.
15:41And they just come in my room.
15:43They woke me up by Patrick slapping me hard in the face.
16:06And he said, hey, bitch, you need to take us to the mini-mart so we can get some more beer.
16:14And I was like, uh, uh, uh, uh, no.
16:20When his friend was, like, trying to get in bed with me, I said, get away from me.
16:25Get away from me.
16:28And that's when Patrick said, well, maybe he likes you.
16:33And I was like, Patrick, Patrick, I'm your sister.
16:39And he's like, no, actually, you're not.
16:43Dad told me, you're not my sister.
16:47You're just another woman.
16:49And he, he laughed so much.
17:02I'm sorry.
17:27I went.
17:32I went in the shower, and I locked the door, and I got in the shower with my PJ on.
17:38I just actually laid down in the shower and cried, and cried, and cried.
17:48I just stayed there until the morning.
17:52I had all the stuff I could get into backpacks and bags.
17:58And I walked out.
17:59And I walked two miles to my friend's house.
18:05And I never went back.
18:09I was done.
18:10I was so done.
18:12One day, I got a call from my sister saying that Patrick and his wife got into a fight,
18:33and he's in jail right now, and he was beating her up, and he poured kerosene all over her, and put her in the bathtub so he could light her on fire.
18:47It took me back to when he was a kid, and he loved playing with fire, and now to go whole hog and try to catch somebody on fire like he was wanting that forever.
19:07And he almost got it.
19:09This is a statement that Angela wrote after he tried to burn kerosene.
19:36I asked him to stop, and he just kept slapping me.
19:45Then he dragged me off the couch and hit me some more.
19:49I tried to squirm away, and he picked me up and slammed me onto the ground.
20:00He hit me a few more times and grabbed the kerosene can.
20:07He said that it would be pretty funny for the trailer to go up in flames and him and the baby get out since I'd be burning up with it and poured it all over me.
20:24What got me is it was it was so vivid that me just reading it, even though it was so long ago, the vividness in my mind of her writing it, knowing it had just happened to her.
20:50It chills me.
20:54The day I met Patrick, I was living in an apartment, and Patrick's sister lived across the hall from me.
21:17Patrick was knocking on her door, and she'd said, my brother's coming, and she was running to the store.
21:25So I opened my door, and I said, hey, Michelle's at the store.
21:31She'll be right back.
21:34He was charming.
21:35He was tall and muscular and dressed very nicely, and he says, hey, can I call you?
21:46I gave him my number, and we started hanging out regularly.
21:50Come to later find out, he'd done some time in prison, and after him and I had been dating for a little while, Patrick told the story my wife and I had been fighting.
22:08She was seeing somebody else according to him, and he came over the next day with a can of kerosene, was filling up the kerosene heater to heat the home.
22:23He said he spilled kerosene all over the floor, and had cleaned it up, and he left and had gone to work.
22:31A couple days later, the police came to arrest him for abusing her.
22:39He was very adamant, told the story without a hiccup.
22:43And it's like, well, you hear of people going to prison that are innocent a lot.
22:51Never once did I see an inkling of anger of anything in his eyes that hinted that he was anything but honest.
23:01He was really fun.
23:05Until he wasn't.
23:13He was sitting in his room one night, and I went in to say something to him, and we started talking, which then led to an argument.
23:33We were one second just having a typical disagreement between a couple, and the next thing you know, his hands are on me.
23:44I've prayed!
23:46It was zero to 100.
23:49He grabbed me so hard, and I started crying, and I was like, you need to let go of me.
23:57I'm calling the cops.
23:58You are not going to put your hands on me.
24:00Let go of me!
24:02He instantly let go of my wrists, had me by the throat, grabbed a knife off of his desk, put it to my throat, and said,
24:14go ahead, bitch.
24:16You'll be dead before the cops get here.
24:19And he meant it.
24:24It was total disbelief, and then the fear sets in.
24:32I realized the reason he went to prison was very real.
24:48He went to prison for actually doing what he was accused of doing, convicted of doing.
24:58I didn't call the cops that day, because when he told me he would kill me before they got there, he would slit my throat, leave me laying on the floor, bleeding out.
25:12He meant it.
25:23He knocked my tooth out.
25:26That day.
25:33I have a partial tooth.
25:35Something as simple as brushing your teeth now reminds you of Patrick.
25:49You know, it seems, you know, something so little that you do every single day is a constant reminder.
25:58You know, you have to work really hard to keep it at bay.
26:04I was just a shell.
26:08I didn't know what to do.
26:10And in the beginning, it was easier to blow it off, because it didn't happen regularly.
26:18But by the end, it was daily, no matter what you said, no matter how much you tried to say the right thing, it didn't matter.
26:38You knew you were going to take a beating for it.
26:43He terrorized you.
26:45I took those beatings.
26:48I was terrorized.
26:54It happened to me.
26:57He did this to me.
27:02But not just me.
27:04The violence had become so frequent and so over the top.
27:21I got to the point that I actually said to him, why don't you just kill me?
27:27And he looked at me.
27:36I've never seen anything like it.
27:38It just made the hair of my arms stand up again.
27:41He said, don't worry.
27:48I'm going to.
27:50I'm saving you for last.
27:52And it's going to be slow and it's going to be slow and painful, I promise.
27:57And I looked at him.
28:00There was nothing.
28:02There was nothing in his eyes.
28:04They were black.
28:05And it was like looking into the depths of hell.
28:11It was sheer evil at its finest.
28:15I knew something bad was coming and I couldn't stop it.
28:29It didn't know how.
28:32Right after they left, one of his sisters shows up at my apartment.
29:00I said, the police just came and picked him up and she goes, oh my God, where was he last night?
29:10I don't know.
29:11I don't know where he goes.
29:12I don't ask him.
29:13I don't talk to him any more than I have to.
29:16I'm like, what is going on?
29:19She said Angela's house was burned down and it was arson.
29:30His wife is dead.
29:34His wife, her significant other, and five children are dead.
29:43This is a picture of Angela's house.
30:01I look at this and I just think of the terror that they felt.
30:13These are the images that haunt me most.
30:22The fire.
30:25It's not just four walls.
30:28A family lived there.
30:31Children had memories there.
30:33Toys and Christmases and Easter's and Thanksgiving's.
30:38And somebody felt they had the right to take that all away.
30:45I'm sure she thought she had escaped his terror, his reign of terror.
31:03Made a new life for herself.
31:10And he took that.
31:11I wonder what she thought that night when her house was on fire.
31:20I wonder if she knew.
31:22Did she think Patrick did this?
31:25But, yeah, I haven't had no contact with her since before I got out of prison.
31:52I understand you have a job to do.
31:54I didn't realize when I was a senior.
31:57I had not known what happened at all.
32:01And then I sent a newspaper.
32:02I just want you to understand, we do our talking in court.
32:05We're going to get you to a polygraph machine.
32:08It's going to tell the tale, okay?
32:09Okay, so when I do the polygraph tomorrow, how long from then will I be home?
32:17I cannot make any promises to that effect.
32:19I need a ride.
32:22I have no clothes at all.
32:25When am I going home?
32:27I have no clothes.
32:28For somebody that just found out his wife was murdered, he didn't get too chillin' since chills down your spine.
32:44And there was no regard for, oh my gosh, what happened?
32:51Oh my gosh, was my daughter there?
32:53You never heard him ask that.
32:56Was my daughter there?
33:01Kind of interesting.
33:02They were never able to completely pull a case together against Patrick.
33:21And the videos came out showing some contrary evidence to the belief that Patrick had set the fire.
33:30They felt that they had sufficient evidence to try a gentleman by the name of Stanley Ford in the case of the fires.
33:41They do have video evidence showing Stanley Ford doing it.
33:46They have yet to charge anybody else besides Stanley Ford, who ultimately was convicted of the fire.
34:00Despite that, every ounce of my being believes that Patrick did it.
34:12Patrick had a hand in it.
34:14I don't know exactly where.
34:16I know Stanley Ford had done some time in prison at one time.
34:21I tried looking to see if Patrick and Stanley Ford's time in prison overlapped somewhere.
34:27Maybe he owed him a favor.
34:29Maybe Patrick protected him.
34:32I don't know.
34:32I have no idea.
34:35But I believe that there's somehow, somewhere, a link between the two.
34:42I never once doubted that he did it.
34:47And I believe that with the very core of who I am.
34:51And the day that he was released, I got a phone call from an old neighbor.
35:05He had shown up to my apartment looking for me the same day he got out.
35:11And I dropped to my knees in sheer terror.
35:21How the heck can they let this guy out?
35:26You've got to be kidding me.
35:30I was living at my parents' house at the time.
35:33I packed up and moved out for their safety.
35:39Because I thought if he's looking for me, he's going to burn my parents' house down with me in it.
35:48I have been vanished.
35:51I couldn't count on my family being safe as long as I was around.
36:03I learned through social media that there was another arrest.
36:08This time, he was arrested for attempted murder.
36:11I think about the day that Patrick could be released a lot.
36:36It's a terrifying plot.
36:41He's not just going to change his stripes and get out and all of a sudden be this model person.
36:47He's shown throughout his whole life from childhood on that that's not who he is.
36:55Best case scenario, I can hope he dies in prison.
36:59I can hope that he never gets out.
37:07He deserves to rot in hell.
37:11There's no doubt that Patrick's evil.
37:16He's the worst kind of evil.
37:19I've seen it in his eyes.
37:22He took a little part of me that's never going to be whole again.
37:29I'll never trust the same.
37:31Your sense of security is always shaken.
37:47As much as you try to build your safe,
37:51you realize how fragile it is when
37:53a car that looks like the one he drove drives by
37:58and you still tense and feel that all over again.
38:05Or when you're somewhere and you see somebody out of the corner of your eye
38:10that maybe resembles his stature
38:14and all of a sudden you're doing a double take like,
38:16oh my God, is it him?
38:17Even though you know he's in jail,
38:20you still have that sense.
38:23When I found out that Patrick was taking a plea deal,
38:41I was upset because at this point
38:44I wanted him to stand trial
38:47and part of the plea deal
38:50that Patrick took
38:51was 16 years
38:57with the judge not allowed
39:01to take into account victim statements.
39:04Again, our voice is gone.
39:11When is anybody going to give a voice to this?
39:16And that's what I hope
39:17this does.
39:21This gives me my voice back.
39:23This is one of Patrick's bug shots.
39:42He still has those eyes like
39:44you could see in his face.
39:47I can see in his face
39:48because I saw him
39:51turn into that
39:55monster.
39:59And the eyes,
40:03even though they're older
40:04and he's older,
40:06those eyes are still
40:07piercing
40:08and
40:09waiting.
40:12It haunts me.
40:21The weight is off my shoulders
40:25for a bit.
40:28I haven't had this weight
40:29off my shoulders
40:30for so long
40:31I don't know how
40:32I'm going to deal with
40:33not having it.
40:35It's just like
40:36getting it out.
40:39It helped
40:39a lot.
40:42It actually did.
40:44if I could talk
40:47to my brother
40:48I would tell him
40:50I loved you
40:51so much
40:52when you were born.
40:54I tried to protect you.
40:56I tried to
40:57guide you.
40:59But this is where
41:01you have to be.
41:03You
41:03you can't be out
41:05with people
41:06because
41:07you're an animal.
41:08I think
41:11Patrick is evil
41:12if he gets out
41:15I will
41:18try
41:18not to be afraid.
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