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00:00What do they give to them?
00:06Your Honor, they will get their people.
00:09Where?
00:12Your Honor, they will come to Shangri-La or they will come to the office.
00:24Yes, Mr. Chair.
00:25Who are their names?
00:27The names, please, names.
00:29The people who are here, who are here.
00:34Thank you, Mr. Chair.
00:35And where do you give the money when you give them to Shangri-La or the office?
00:41My Honor, it's just a paper bag.
00:46A paper bag?
00:47It's not a paper bag.
00:49Where do you withdraw money from?
00:52Your Honor, okay lang po ba i-consult ko lang po yung legal ko.
00:58Mr. Chair.
01:00Mr. Chair, if I may, Mr. Chair, with the permission of Senator Lee.
01:03Yes, Mr. Chair.
01:04Yes, Senator.
01:05Yes, Senator.
01:06Taon nino?
01:07Taon nino?
01:08Taon nino, yung mga kongresista yung pinakit mo?
01:11Yes po, Your Honor.
01:13Ah, kongresista, tinatanong ko din yung DPWH officials na binabayaran nyo sa QC.
01:18Ano ba yung topic, mga DPWH officials?
01:22Senator Strada, one question is enough.
01:26Yes, Mr. Chair, tinatanong ko yung mga DPWH officials ng Quezon City na inamin ni Mr. Disguise
01:33sa affidavit na binabayaran nila.
01:35Sanyo.
01:47pelo po po nila.
01:49DPWH office?
01:54Yes po, Your Honor.
01:56And so paper bag. My last second, Mr. Chair,
01:59Your time is up to me.
02:01Alright, sir. My last question.
02:05And one last brief manifestation.
02:08Kasi tinanong ko na, saan ba ang ko kayo nagmi-withdraw ng pera?
02:13Your Honor,
02:14Your Honor, okay na po ba?
02:19Tanong ko muna yung council ko.
02:21Tinanong nyo na po kanila.
02:22In the meantime, you can reserve na lang yung manifestation sa second round.
02:27In fairness to the others who are waiting.
02:28Yes, Mr. Chair. It's for the AMLOC. Hopefully, hindi pa sila aalis before 12 noon.
02:33Yun lang po yung one-paragraph manifestation ko.
02:35Alright, alright.
02:36Salamat, Mr. Chair.
02:39Manifestation lang po, Mr. Chair,
02:41or request po sa Chair na isubmit po ng AMLOC sa kumite
02:45ang kanilang reports na natanggap on suspicious and covered transactions
02:50related to contractors and relevant DPWH officials.
02:54That's my request, Mr. Chair.
02:56And I think, Mr. Chair, Mr. Disgaia is ready to answer
02:59saan ba ang ko sila nagmi-withdraw?
03:00Yes, you might as well.
03:01Your Honor, I invoke po i-paksa-crasilong.
03:06Mr. Chair, I'm not sure if a person may invoke that long.
03:10Alam ko, ang nag-i-invoke primarily yung mga bangko, Mr. Chair.
03:13Hindi naman sila depositoryat sa lahat.
03:15Senator J.P. Ricitos, rikob na po.
03:17Sa mga Disgaia sana, pero isa lang amang po dito, ay nandito.
03:21So kay Mr. Curly Disgaia.
03:23Mr. Chair, mukha kasing yung modus ng BGC boys
03:28na ibinansa atin sa Bulacan,
03:30ay hindi isolated case.
03:32Yung mga contractor na sangkot sa flood control project sa Quezon City,
03:37pamilyar na po sa atin.
03:38Napapa-sounds family kami ni Senator J.P. kanina.
03:41Wow, wow, builders.
03:42I am Construction Corporation.
03:44Siyempre, ang walang kamatayang St. Timothy at Alpha and Omega.
03:49So, Mr. Disgaia, sinabi niyo po sa affidavit ninyo
03:52na hindi maiiwasan magbayad sa mga regional directors
03:57at district engineers ng DPWH
04:00para makakuha ng projects.
04:03Wow, no?
04:03Sabi niyo pa ay nagbabayad kayo ng from 10 to 25% sa DPWH.
04:09Kinailangan niyo rin bang magbayad ng SOP
04:12para makakuha ng projects doon naman sa Quezon City?
04:17Your Honor, hindi po.
04:18Bali, kami po ay niyalapitan lang po
04:21pag once na may award na po
04:23at saka lang po kami niyalapitan.
04:26At ayaw po namin magbigay yung honor.
04:28Kaya lang po, ayaw na pa-pressure lang po kami.
04:31Ah, so, hindi tama yung unang sagot niyo
04:34na hindi kayo nagbabayad.
04:37At kasi yung huling sinabi niyo ngayon
04:39ay ayaw niyo sana
04:41pero nape-pressure kayo.
04:42So, sumatotal, nagbabayad din po kayo
04:45kahit sa projects sa Quezon City.
04:47Ah, labag po sa kalooban po namin
04:49pero ano po, ah, kasi ma...
04:53maano po, magkakaroon po ng problema po
04:55ang collection po namin
04:56at saka yung mga projects po namin.
04:59So, labag sa kalooban niyo
05:01pero dahil gusto niyong makakuleta
05:03dahil ayaw sa inyo, hindi daw kayo makakakuleta
05:06kung hindi kayo nagbabayad.
05:08Again, sumatotal, Mr. Chair,
05:09nagbabayad pa rin kayo.
05:11Ah, labag po sa kalooban namin,
05:13ah, ah, your honor.
05:16Labag man sa kalooban, Mr. Chair,
05:18o kusa,
05:19nagbabayad kayo, tama?
05:21Ah, napipilitan lang po kami, your honor.
05:23Pwede bang palitan yung verb?
05:26Wag na yung labag o napipilitan.
05:29Nagbabayad kayo, tama?
05:31Ah, kinukuha po nila sa amin, your honor, yung...
05:33Mr. Chair, I think...
05:33Hindi naman kayo hinu-hold up, Mr. Chair.
05:36I think the question of Senator Riza
05:37is only answerable by yes or no.
05:38Senator Estrada is recognized.
05:40Yes, Mr. Chair.
05:41Okay, addressed it, Chair,
05:42but if you want to...
05:42Yes, Mr. Chair, I apologize.
05:44The question of Senator Odevelo
05:46is only answerable by yes or no.
05:49Yes, Your Honor.
05:50Correct.
05:50The answer is Senator Riza.
05:52Thank you, Mr. Chair.
05:53So, yes, nagbabayad kayo?
05:54Yes.
05:56Ah, yes, Your Honor.
05:57Yes.
05:57Hindi kayong hinu-hold up.
05:58Kayong nangu-hold up sa taong bayan.
06:00Wag na patunayan namin lahat-lahat
06:02nitong mga flood control project scams.
06:06Okay, dyan po ba sa Quezon City?
06:09Nagbibid din ba ang mga kumpanya ninyo
06:11laban sa isa't isa?
06:14Ah, no po, Your Honor.
06:16Ah, no?
06:18Sa naunang hearing, Mr. Diskaya,
06:20sinabi niyo or sinabi ni Ms. Diskaya,
06:22nagbibid-bidan ang mga kumpanya ninyo
06:25sa laban sa isa't isa't kuno.
06:27Para matalo man yung iba,
06:29may mananalo sa kanila,
06:31panalo pa rin kayo.
06:33Your Honor,
06:34ah,
06:34nagugulahan lang po siya
06:35ng mga time po na yun,
06:36pero sa records po namin,
06:38hindi po naglalabanan
06:39at nag-divest na po kami
06:40sa mga company po na yun.
06:42Bali,
06:43ako po yung honor,
06:44I say there lang po
06:45ang aking company.
06:46Mr. Diskaya,
06:48kanina ang sinasabi niyo
06:50heart condition,
06:52diabetes,
06:53hypertension,
06:55ngayon sinasabi niyo
06:55naguguluhan lang siya,
06:57so sasabihin niyo,
06:58ngayon gusto niyong pag-usapan
06:59yung mental health natin.
07:01Sir,
07:01please just answer the question.
07:04Ah,
07:04nung nakaraang hearing,
07:05sinabi po ni Ms. Diskaya,
07:07on record po yan sa kumite,
07:09na nagbibid against each other
07:11yung mga kumpanya niyo.
07:13Pinakita ko nga po
07:13yung calling cards ninyo
07:15sa shamp na kumiting yan.
07:18Sabi ng asawa niyo,
07:19nagbibid ang mga kumpanya ninyo
07:21sa isang isa.
07:23So,
07:23ganyan din ba ang kalakaran
07:24ng mga kumpanya niyo
07:25sa Quezon City?
07:27Ah,
07:27your honor,
07:28sa record po namin,
07:29hindi po sila naglalabanan.
07:31At ang amin lang po,
07:32kapani doon,
07:32ay yung say third lang po
07:33ang aking po.
07:34At sa miss ko naman po,
07:35is alpha lang.
07:37Dalawang kumpanya lang
07:38sa inyong mag-asawa.
07:39Pero yung mga kamag-anak niyo,
07:41ang controlling persons din
07:45doon sa iba pang mga kumpanya.
07:49Ah,
07:49your honor,
07:50pero hindi po sila
07:50naglalabanan sa bidding.
07:52So,
07:52ano yung sabi niyo,
07:53may kalakaran kayo?
07:55Ano bang kalakaran ninyo
07:56sa Quezon City
07:57ng inyong mga kumpanya?
07:59Ah,
07:59sumasali po kami
08:00sa public bidding.
08:01Pag nakikita po namin
08:02sa Pilgeps,
08:03sumasali po kami
08:04para sa public bidding po.
08:07Pero bakit sinabi
08:08nung asawa nyo
08:09na kahit pagkatapos
08:10mabasa nyo sa Pilgeps,
08:12nagko-compete.
08:13Hindi lang isa,
08:14hindi lang dalawa
08:15ninyong mag-asawa,
08:16pero yung
08:17siyang na kumpanya ninyo
08:19sa isa't isa.
08:20Ah,
08:20your honor,
08:21kinakabahan lang po siya
08:22at saka,
08:23ano po,
08:24ah,
08:25naano lang po siya,
08:26kinakabahan lang po siya,
08:27pero sa record po namin,
08:30wala po,
08:30wala po nang lalabanan.
08:32Sige,
08:32titignan ko ulit
08:33yung mga records ninyo ha,
08:34at tatanoyin ko ulit
08:35si Ms. Diskaya
08:36pag nagpakita sila ulit
08:37sa susunod na hearing.
08:39Dahil mahirap pong
08:40magsabi ng one thing
08:41sa isang hearing
08:42at magsabi ng kabaliktaran nyo
08:44sa susunod,
08:46perjury po ang tawag doon
08:47dahil under oath po kayo
08:48mga resource persons.
08:50Ngayon,
08:51may mga nakausap
08:52o nilapitan din ba
08:54kayong regional directors
08:55at district engineers
08:59dito naman sa NCR?
09:00Your Honor,
09:02wala po.
09:03Bali,
09:03sumasali po kami
09:04sa public bidding.
09:05Pag nakakita lang po kami
09:07ng mga public bidding
09:08na nakapost sa
09:09field jobs
09:09na invitation,
09:11tsaka lang po kami
09:13pumunta at sumasali
09:14sa bidding.
09:15At nagbaya din ba
09:16kayo ng 10 to 25%
09:18para makakuha
09:19ng proyekto?
09:21Yan po ang
09:22pinipilit po nila
09:23kapag kami po
09:24ay na-awardan na po
09:25ng project,
09:27at tsaka po sila
09:28nagdadatingan.
09:30At pag nagdadatingan sila
09:31at pinipilit kayo,
09:34nagpapapilit naman kayo,
09:36nagbabayad kayo.
09:38Your Honor,
09:38wala po kami magawa
09:39kasi siyempre po
09:40natatakot kami
09:41dahil nagkaroon na po kami
09:42ng mga karanasan
09:43na nami-mutual terminate po
09:45at na
09:46nami-mutual terminate
09:49at tsaka
09:49nagkakaroon po
09:50ng right-of-way problem
09:51ang mga project po namin.
09:53Pero nagbabayad kayo
09:5510 to 25%
09:56sa Quezon City.
10:00Your Honor,
10:01ano po,
10:03yes,
10:03Your Honor.
10:05Yes,
10:05ay salamat.
10:06Isang consistent na sagot
10:07so far.
10:08Ngayon, sir,
10:09doon sa inyong affidavit,
10:11Mr. Disgaia,
10:12doon po sa inyong affidavit,
10:14paano kayo
10:15nagbabayad
10:16sa mga opisyal
10:17gaya ng sinabi nyo?
10:18Cash ba yan lagi?
10:20Cash po lagi.
10:22Okay,
10:22cash lagi.
10:23So,
10:24nag-i-bidraw kayo
10:25ng malaking cash
10:26sa banko?
10:30Yes po,
10:31Your Honor.
10:32Yes.
10:32Magkano pinag-uusapan natin?
10:35Anong range
10:36ng bigayan?
10:39Your Honor,
10:40I invoke my right po,
10:42Your Honor,
10:43kasi
10:43wala pa po akong
10:46protection po.
10:50Sir,
10:51ang protection nyo
10:52ay magsabi kayo
10:52ng totoo,
10:53under oath.
10:54Kanina,
10:54inamin nyo na
10:55na nagbabayad kayo
10:56ng 10 to 25 percent
10:58sa Quezon City.
11:00So,
11:01given yung range
11:02ng halaga
11:03ng mga proyekto nyo
11:03sa Quezon City,
11:05magkano ang range
11:06ng bigayan
11:07kapag kayo
11:08nagbabayad niyang
11:0910 to 25 percent?
11:10With the permission
11:12of Senator
11:12President,
11:13Senate President,
11:14Mr.
11:14President,
11:14Mr.
11:15Disgaia,
11:16bigayang way
11:16ng advice.
11:18This is not because
11:20I am a lawyer,
11:23it's because
11:23I have been here
11:24for ages,
11:26since 1992.
11:27Mayroon,
11:28mayroon kayong
11:38legislative community,
11:39huwag kayong matakot.
11:41Pag sasiring kayong
11:43nagsasalita,
11:43pwede nyo invoke
11:44legislative immunity,
11:46magsalita kayo,
11:46wag nyo sambihin nyo,
11:48I guess in
11:48self-incrimination,
11:50nangyari.
11:51There is such thing,
11:52inherent sa mga
11:53committees,
11:53is the legislative immunity that you call.
11:56If you want to accept it, accept it.
12:00You can't do anything with the hearing.
12:04You can help us and help us.
12:09If you want to accept it,
12:12if you want to accept it,
12:14you can't accept it.
12:17You can't be afraid
12:19if you want to accept it.
12:25I'll ask for my legal counsel.
12:40One minute, suspension.
12:49Ready to issue, Mr. Chairman?
12:59Ready to issue, Mr. Chairman?
13:01Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
13:06Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
13:17Mr. Chairman,
13:19I distinctly recall,
13:22Mr. Chairman.
13:23Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
13:28But it has always been implied, lalo na pagka hiniling nung resource person or nung witness.
13:41Pag hiniling niya na yung sasabihin niya ay hindi pwede gamitin sa kanya,
13:46pwede mo nang hindi gamitin yung self-incrimination na yan, sinasabi.
13:50So, just for the record, there is no direct law.
13:56Pero ang tagging practice implied ang legislative immunity.
14:02Yes, what the Senate President is saying is, hindi po blanket yung legislative immunity.
14:12Pwede ngayon po, subject to the approval of the committee, pero kailang mag-tell all kayo.
14:19Kung kayo bibigyan ng legislative, as the Senate President stated, wala pong batas,
14:25unlike in the United States, pero napapractice namin yan.
14:32Even during the time of Senator or Senate President Trilon, wala naman pong nagkukaiso sa court.
14:38So, it has been a practice for the longest time na pwede mag-grant ng legislative immunity ang committee,
14:48any committee or standing committee for that matter.
14:51So, it's up to you.
14:51If you want to request the committee, if you want to invoke legislative immunity, then we will rule on it.
15:00But also, Mr. President, Mr. Chairman, that also, it does not exempt you from perjury.
15:07It doesn't mean that you are exempted from perjury pagdating pagini-imboking legislative immunity.
15:13Mr. Chairman, may I clarify that, because Senate President said that by tradition, we can extend the legislative immunity.
15:29But I think that is based on tradition that may not hold to any specific witness.
15:40That is why this representation, as fairly as last week, I think, suggested a modality that is based on the law itself,
15:52which is Republic Act 6981, where a potential witness can apply under the witness protection program of the law.
16:05I think this is the best remedy that any potential witness who wishes to come into the open,
16:13considering that he or she will be protected well by the law.
16:17Yun sana yung gusto nating tuntunin noon.
16:22Ako po ay nalulungkot wala yung Justice Secretary, because before I floated that idea,
16:27I made sure that that one is something that we can rely on.
16:31I spoke to another Secretary of Justice, pagkatapos okay naman siya nung umpisa,
16:40until he recommended or he suggested that the Secretary of Justice should also be consulted.
16:47So sabi ko, mas mabuti yung gano'n.
16:49And then the Secretary of Justice called me, personally,
16:54at ang sinari nga niya, that is something that we can float,
16:58we can encourage people like that,
16:59kasi pagkakaalam po, ang Senado, magkabakas naman tayo,
17:04kasi ngayon we are pursuing the Visa Blower Act,
17:08na sana'y maratipay ng Senate as soon as possible.
17:11So sa aking pagkakaalam po, ay sinabi niya na this is a rule that a potential witness may take.
17:20Of course, subject to the application, kung siya ay eventually be admitted.
17:28Kung sakasakali namang hindi siya madmit, wala pong problema doon.
17:32However, sabi ko sa kanya, we need to go into the process, which he agreed.
17:36Ang naging problema naman po, Mr. Chair, bigla kasi siya gumawa ng parang press briefing,
17:45saan sinabi niya na before, a particular, in this case, the Discaeus can apply under the Witness Protection Program.
17:55E kinakailangan mag-solid po sila ng mga nakakulimbat nila,
17:59with which to my mind is not correct.
18:01Sa pagkat, kahit basahin po natin yung Section 10,
18:07na ito po yung applicable provision under the law,
18:10yun pong restitution or indemnification to the government,
18:16well, it is a good policy.
18:18Wala po doon eh. Walang requirement na ganun eh.
18:22Kaya nga, ang sabi ko, kung nandito sana siya,
18:24I could have confronted him personally,
18:28magkaibigan naman po kami,
18:29di ko malaman kung bakit siya tumaliwas sa usapan namin,
18:33at abugado naman siya,
18:35kayang-kaya naman basahin po,
18:36either Section 3 or Section 10 of the law,
18:39wala po talagang restitution eh.
18:41Kasi mag-a-apply pa lamang po,
18:43kung sakasakaling ma-admit siya.
18:46In other words, the process must begin.
18:48Hindi nga po nangyari yung ganun eh.
18:50So sayang po yung pagkakataon na tuntunin yung remedy,
18:55which is very, very legitimate under the law.
18:58So inconsistent po yung sinasabi natin ngayon na
19:01we can provide legislative immunity,
19:04but the ERP may union.
19:05May I respond, Senator Marguleta?
19:07Thank you, Mr. Chair.
19:09Okay.
19:10Magkaiba po yung legislative immunity
19:13kesa doon sa pagiging state witness.
19:16Yung legislative immunity does not extend to prosecution.
19:19Ang sinasabi lang natin,
19:21lahat ng sasabihin niya rito,
19:22maski incrementate niya yung sarili niya,
19:24hindi pwedeng gamitin sa kanya.
19:27Yun lang po yung legislative immunity.
19:29Yung sinasabi niya po,
19:31ay yung ma-admit sa witness protection program
19:33at pwede siyang tanggapin ng DOJ
19:35bilang isang ordinary witness
19:37or as an accused
19:39na pwedeng i-discharge ng korte
19:40as a state witness.
19:43Okay ba po yun?
19:44Kaya huwag niyo pong paghaluin
19:45kasi wala po.
19:46Sandali lang po.
19:47Sandali lang po.
19:48Wala po tayong jurisdiction
19:49doon sa pag-admit sa witness protection program.
19:52Under the law,
19:53pwede lang tayo mag-recommend.
19:56Pero iba po yung piguusapan natin,
19:58legislative immunity
19:59which is implied or inherent
20:01sa Congress or sa Senate
20:04or that matter
20:05na kasi meron tayong power of contempt,
20:09pwede i-extend dyan sa power din
20:11to grant legislative immunity.
20:15Although wala pong jurisprudence dito,
20:17pero may mga ruling din po dito
20:19ang Korte Suprema.
20:20At wala naman pong nagdudulog sa Supreme Court,
20:23ginagawa natin ito,
20:24as I said,
20:25for the longest time,
20:26wala naman pong nagko-question.
20:28So kung meron magko-question,
20:29then we will allow
20:30or we'll just wait for the Supreme Court
20:34to issue a ruling in this regard.
20:37Pero wag po natin pag-aluiin yung
20:39witness protection program
20:41sa legislative immunity.
20:44Domain lang po natin yung
20:45legislative immunity.
20:47Now, if anybody wants to question
20:48that authority or power
20:51which is inherent,
20:53sabi ko nga,
20:53hindi ito klaro na may power tayo
20:56kasi wala namang po talaga sa batas.
20:59Pero sa U.S. jurisprudence,
21:01meron po yan.
21:02Meron tayong pwede i-cite
21:03at tayo naman po,
21:05minsan sumusunod sa,
21:06di ba,
21:07nakapatin po tayo sa United States
21:09pagdating sa mga jurisprudence.
21:11So gusto ko lang yung clarifying
21:12na iba po yung
21:13sinasabi niyong
21:14witness protection program
21:16at being a state witness
21:18in the court of law
21:19kesa sa legislative immunity.
21:22Those are two different animals.
21:24Mr. Chair,
21:25malinaw na malinaw po yun
21:27at hindi po po pinaghahalo.
21:29Naiintindihan po po yun.
21:31Ang sinasabi ko lang po,
21:32yun pong witness protection program
21:35is a better remedy sana
21:37kung yun po sana ay napagbigyan.
21:40Hindi ko po pinaghahalo yun
21:41sabagat malinaw po sa akin,
21:43iba po yung course ng legislative inquiry,
21:46iba nang po yung remedy
21:47na yun po ay binibigay.
21:50Thank you very much,
21:51Senator Mercoleta.
21:52So can we continue?
21:54Meron ka na lang 25 seconds,
21:55so you better wind up
21:56because si Senator Jevy
21:58is waiting in the weeks.
21:59Salamat, Mr. Chair.
22:02So Mr. Diskaya,
22:03saan yung binibigay sa kanilang pera?
22:09Your Honor,
22:10kinukuha po minsan ng tao nila.
22:13Saan po?
22:16Your Honor,
22:17sa ano po,
22:18minsan natikita po kami sa,
22:20pinapupunta po kami sa ano,
22:22sa Shangri-La,
22:24or minsan po sila po pumapunta sa office.
22:26Yes, Mr. Chair.
22:29Sino yung nila?
22:31Ano po?
22:32Please, please, name.
22:32Ah, yung mga nabanggit ko lang po dito,
22:34yung tao po nung,
22:36nandito po,
22:36sa apidavit ko.
22:38Thank you, Mr. Chair.
22:39At saan yung nilalagay ang pera
22:40pag binibigay niyo sa kanila
22:41sa Shangri-La,
22:42or sa office niyo?
22:45Ah,
22:45kadalasa po yung Honor,
22:46ah,
22:47ano lang po,
22:47nasa paper bag lang po.
22:50Paper bag?
22:51Kasia.
22:53Saan bangko kayo
22:54nagwi-withdraw ng pera?
22:55Your Honor,
22:59okay lang po ba,
23:00consult ko lang po yung legal ko.
23:03Mr. Chair.
23:03Mr. Chair,
23:04if I may, Mr. Chair,
23:06with the permission of Senator.
23:07Yes, Mr. Chair.
23:08Yes, Mr. Chair.
23:09Taon, nino?
23:10Taon, nino?
23:12Taon, nino?
23:13Kung kongresista,
23:13binigay mo?
23:14Yes po, Your Honor.
23:16Ah, kongresista,
23:18tinatanong ko din
23:19yung DPWH officials
23:20na binabayaran niyo sa QC.
23:22Ano ba yung topic,
23:24mga DPWH officials?
23:26Mr. Strada,
23:27one question is enough.
23:32Yes, Mr. Chair,
23:32tinatanong ko yung mga DPWH officials
23:34ng Quezon City na
23:35inamin ni Mr. Discae
23:37sa affidavit
23:38na binabayaran nila.
23:39Ah, Your Honor,
23:47ah,
23:48pinupupunta po nila kami sa,
23:49ano,
23:50sa office po nila
23:51para galing.
23:53DPWH office?
23:57Yes po, Your Honor.
23:59Wow.
23:59And, ah,
24:00so, paper bag.
24:01One,
24:01my last second,
24:02Mr. Chair.
24:03Okay.
24:03No, your time is up
24:04up to me.
24:05All right, sir.
24:06My last,
24:06my last question.
24:07Ah,
24:08and one last,
24:10ah,
24:10grief manifestation.
24:12Kasi tinanong ko na,
24:13saan bang ko kayo
24:13nagmi-withdraw ng pera?
24:17Ah,
24:17Your Honor,
24:18ah,
24:18ano po,
24:19ah,
24:21ah,
24:21Your Honor,
24:22okay na po ba,
24:22i-tanong ko muna
24:23yung consult ko.
24:24Tinanong nyo na po kanila.
24:26In the meantime,
24:27you can,
24:27Yes,
24:28my last manifestation.
24:29You can reserve na lang
24:29yung manifestation
24:30sa second round.
24:31In fairness to the others
24:31who are waiting.
24:32Yes, Mr. Chair,
24:33it's for the AMLA.
24:34Hopefully,
24:34hindi pa sila aalis
24:35before 12 noon.
24:36Yun lang po,
24:37yung one-paragraph
24:38manifestation ko.
24:39All right, all right.
24:39Salamat,
24:40Mr. Chair.
24:43Manifestation lang po,
24:44Mr. Chair,
24:44or request po sa chair
24:46na isabit po ng AMLA
24:48sa komite
24:49ang kanilang reports
24:50na natanggap
24:51on suspicious
24:52and covered transactions
24:54related to contractors
24:55and relevant DPWH officials.
24:58That's my request,
24:59Mr. Chair.
25:00And I think,
25:01Mr. Chair,
25:01Mr. Diskaya
25:01is ready to answer
25:02saang bangko sila
25:03nagwi-bidro.
25:04Yes,
25:04in my response.
25:05Your Honor,
25:06I invoke po
25:07Paxa Crasilo.
25:10Mr. Chair,
25:10I'm not sure
25:11if a person
25:12may invoke
25:13that long.
25:14Alam ko,
25:14ang nag-i-invoke
25:15primarily yung mga bangko,
25:17Mr. Chair.
25:17Hindi man sila depositorya
25:18sa mga Diskaya sana,
25:22pero isa lang amang po dito,
25:23ay nandito.
25:24So kay Mr. Curley Diskaya.
25:26Mr. Chair,
25:27mukha kasing yung
25:28modus ng BGC boys
25:31na ibinansa at nino
25:32sa Bulacan
25:32ay hindi isolated case.
25:35Yung mga contractor
25:36na sangkot sa flood control project
25:38sa Quezon City,
25:39pamilyar na po sa atin.
25:41Napapa-sounds family kami
25:42ni Senator J.D. kanina.
25:44Wow, wow, builders.
25:45I am construction corporation.
25:47Syempre,
25:48ang walang kamatayang
25:48St. Timothy
25:49at Alpha and Omega.
25:51So, Mr. Diskaya,
25:53sinabi nyo po
25:54sa affidavit ninyo
25:55na hindi maiiwasan
25:58magbayad sa mga
25:58regional directors
26:00at district engineers
26:01ng DPWH
26:03para makakuha
26:04ng projects.
26:05Wow, no?
26:06Sabi nyo pa
26:07ay nagbabayad kayo
26:08ng from 10 to 25%
26:10sa DPWH.
26:13Kinailangan nyo rin bang
26:14magbayad ng SOB
26:15para makakuha
26:16ng projects
26:17doon naman
26:17sa Quezon City.
26:19Your Honor,
26:20hindi po.
26:21Bali,
26:22kami po ay
26:23niyalapitan lang po
26:24pag once na may
26:25award na po
26:26at saka lang po
26:27kami niyalapitan
26:28at ayaw po namin
26:29magbigay yung honor
26:31kaya lang po
26:31ay napapressure lang po kami.
26:34Ah, so,
26:34hindi,
26:35hindi tama yung unang
26:36sagot nyo
26:37na hindi
26:37kayo
26:38nagbabayad
26:40kasi yung huling
26:40sinabi nyo
26:41ngayon
26:41ay ayaw nyo
26:43sana
26:43pero napipressure
26:45kayo.
26:45So,
26:45sumatotal,
26:46nagbabayad din po
26:47kayo
26:47kahit sa projects
26:48sa Quezon City.
26:50Labag po sa
26:51kalooban po namin
26:51pero
26:52ano po,
26:53kasi
26:54magkakaroon po
26:57ng problema
26:58po ang
26:58collection po namin
26:59at saka yung
27:00mga projects po namin.
27:02So,
27:02labag sa kalooban nyo
27:03pero dahil gusto
27:04nyong makakuleta
27:06dahil ayon sa inyo
27:07hindi daw kayo
27:08makakakuleta
27:09kung hindi kayo
27:09nagbabayad
27:10again,
27:11sumatotal,
27:11Mr. Chair,
27:12nagbabayad pa rin kayo.
27:14Labag po sa
27:15kalooban namin
27:15yung honor.
27:18Labag man sa
27:19kalooban,
27:20Mr. Chair,
27:20o po sa
27:21nagbabayad kayo,
27:23tama?
27:24Napipilitan lang po
27:25kami yung honor.
27:27Pwede bang
27:27palitan yung verb?
27:29Huwag na yung
27:29labag o
27:30napipilitan.
27:30Nagbabayad kayo.
27:32Tama?
27:34Kinukuha po nila
27:34sa amin yung honor.
27:35Mr. Chair,
27:36hindi naman kayo
27:37hino-hold up,
27:38Mr. Chair.
27:39Senator Riza
27:39is only answerable
27:40by yes or no.
27:40Senator Estrada
27:41is recognized.
27:43Yes, Mr. Chair.
27:43Can I address the chair
27:44if you want to
27:45address it?
27:45Yes, Mr. Chair.
27:46I apologize.
27:47The question of
27:48Senator Odevelo
27:49is only answerable
27:50by yes or no.
27:51Yes, Your Honor.
27:52Correct.
27:53You answer
27:53Senator Riza.
27:54Thank you, Mr. Chair.
27:55So, yes,
27:56nagbabayad kayo.
27:57Yes.
27:58Ah, yes, Your Honor.
27:59Yes.
27:59Hindi kayong hinu-hold up.
28:01Kayong nangu-hold up
28:02sa taong bayan
28:03pag napatunayan namin
28:04lahat-lahat
28:05nitong mga
28:06flood control
28:07project scams.
28:09Okay,
28:09dyan po ba
28:10sa Quezon City,
28:12nagbibid din ba
28:13ang mga kumpanya ninyo
28:14laban sa isa't isa?
28:15Ah, no po,
28:17Your Honor.
28:19Ah, no?
28:20Saan na unang hearing,
28:21Mr. Diskaya,
28:22sinabi niyo,
28:23or sinabi ni Ms. Diskaya,
28:25nagbibid bidan
28:26ang mga kumpanya ninyo
28:27sa laban sa isa't isa,
28:29kuno.
28:29Para matalo man yung iba,
28:32may mananalo sa kanila,
28:34panalo pa rin kayo.
28:35Your Honor,
28:36ah,
28:37nagugulahan lang po siya
28:38ng mga time po na yun,
28:39pero sa records po namin,
28:40hindi po naglalabanan,
28:41at nag-diivest na po kami
28:43sa mga company po na yun,
28:45bali,
28:46ako po yung Honor,
28:46ay say,
28:47there lang po ang aking company.
28:49Mr. Diskaya,
28:51kanina ang sinasabi niyo,
28:52heart condition,
28:54diabetes,
28:56hypertension,
28:57ngayon sinasabi niyo,
28:58naguguluhan lang siya,
28:59so,
29:00sasabihin niyo,
29:01ngayon gusto niyong pag-usapan
29:02yung mental health natin.
29:03Sir,
29:04please just answer the question.
29:06Nung nakaraang hearing,
29:08sinabi po ni Ms. Diskaya,
29:09on record po yan
29:11sa committee
29:11na nag-bibid
29:13against each other
29:14yung mga kumpanya niyo.
29:15Pinakita ko nga po
29:16yung calling cards ninyo
29:18sa shamp ng committee iyan.
29:20Sabi ng asawan nyo,
29:22nag-bibid ang mga kumpanya ninyo
29:24sa isang-isa.
29:25So,
29:26ganyan din ba
29:26ang kalakaran
29:27ng mga kumpanya nyo
29:28sa Quezon City?
29:29Your Honor,
29:30sa record po namin,
29:31hindi po sila naglalabanan,
29:33at ang amin lang po
29:34ang kapani doon
29:35ay yung
29:35say third lang po
29:36ang akin po,
29:37at sa miss ko naman po,
29:38is alpha lang.
29:39Dalawang kumpanya lang
29:40sa inyong mag-asawa,
29:42pero yung mga kamag-anak nyo,
29:44ang
29:44controlling persons din
29:47doon sa iba pang
29:48mga kumpanya.
29:51Your Honor,
29:52pero hindi po sila
29:53naglalabanan sa bidding.
29:55So,
29:55ano yung sabi nyo,
29:56may kalakaran kayo,
29:57ano bang kalakaran ninyo
29:59sa Quezon City
30:00ng inyong mga kumpanya?
30:02Sumasali po kami
30:03sa public bidding.
30:04Pag nakikita po namin
30:05sa Pilgeps,
30:06sumasali po kami
30:06para sa public bidding po.
30:10Pero bakit sinabi
30:11nung asawa nyo
30:11na kahit pagkatapos
30:12mabasa nyo sa Pilgeps,
30:15nagko-compete,
30:16hindi lang isa,
30:17hindi lang dalawa
30:17ninyong mag-asawa,
30:19pero yung
30:20siyang na kumpanya ninyo
30:21sa isa't isa?
30:23Your Honor,
30:24kinakabahan lang po siya,
30:25at saka,
30:26ano po,
30:28naano lang po siya,
30:29kinakabahan lang po siya,
30:30pero sa record po namin,
30:31wala po,
30:33wala po naglalabanan.
30:34Sige,
30:35titignan ko ulit
30:35yung mga records ninyo ha,
30:37at tatanuyin ko ulit
30:38si Ms. Diskaya
30:39pag nagpakita sila ulit
30:40sa susunod na hearing.
30:41Dahil mahirap pong
30:42magsabi ng one thing
30:44sa isang hearing
30:45at magsabi ng kabaliktaran
30:47noon sa susunod,
30:49perjury po ang tawag doon
30:50dahil under oath po kayo
30:51mga resource persons.
30:53Ngayon may mga
30:54nakausap
30:55o nilapitan din ba
30:56kayong regional directors
30:58at this,
30:59regional director
31:00at district engineers
31:01dito naman sa NCR?
31:04Your Honor,
31:05wala po.
31:05Bali,
31:06sumasali po kami
31:07sa public bidding.
31:08Pag nakakita lang po kami
31:09ng mga public bidding
31:11na nakapost sa field jobs
31:12ng invitation,
31:14tsaka lang po kami
31:15pumunta at sumasali
31:16sa bidding.
31:17At nagbaya din ba kayo
31:19ng 10 to 25%
31:20para makakuha ng proyekto?
31:23Ayan po ang
31:25pinipilit po nila
31:26kapag kami po
31:27ay na-awardan na po
31:28ng project.
31:29At saka po sila
31:31nagdadatingan.
31:32At pag nagdadatingan sila
31:34at pinipilit kayo,
31:36nagpapapilit naman kayo,
31:38nagbabayad kayo.
31:40Your Honor,
31:41wala po kami magawa
31:42kasi syempre po
31:43natatakot kami
31:43dahil nagkaroon na po kami
31:44ng mga karanasan
31:45na
31:46na may mutual terminate po
31:48at na
31:48na may mutual terminate
31:51at saka
31:52nagkakaroon po
31:52ng right of way problem
31:54ang mga project po namin.
31:56Pero nagbabayad kayo
31:5710 to 25%
31:59sa Quezon City.
32:02Your Honor,
32:04ano po,
32:05yes,
32:06Your Honor.
32:07Yes,
32:08ay salamat.
32:09Isang consistent na sagot
32:10so far.
32:11Ngayon, sir,
32:12dun sa inyong affidavit,
32:13Mr. Disgaia,
32:15dun po sa inyong affidavit,
32:17paano kayo
32:17nagbabayad
32:18sa mga opisyal
32:19gaya ng sinabi nyo?
32:21Cash ba yan lagi?
32:23Cash po lagi.
32:24Okay,
32:25cash lagi.
32:26So,
32:27nag-withdraw kayo
32:28ng malaking cash
32:29sa bank ko?
32:33Yes po,
32:33Your Honor.
32:34Yes.
32:35Magkano pinag-uusapan natin?
32:37Anong range
32:38ng bigayan?
32:41Your Honor,
32:42I invoke my right po,
32:45Your Honor,
32:46kasi
32:46wala pa po akong
32:49protection po.
32:53Sir,
32:53ang protection nyo
32:54ay magsabi kayo
32:55ng totoo,
32:56under oath.
32:57Kanina,
32:57inamin nyo na
32:58na nagbabayad kayo
32:59ng 10 to 25 percent
33:01sa Quezon City.
33:03So,
33:03given yung range
33:04ng halaga
33:05ng mga proyekto nyo
33:06sa Quezon City,
33:08magkano ang range
33:09ng bigayan
33:10kapag kayo
33:10nagbabayad niyang
33:1110 to 25 percent?
33:13With the permission
33:15of Senator,
33:15Yes,
33:15Mr. Chair.
33:16Yes,
33:16Mr. Chair.
33:18Mr. Disga,
33:18I'll be my way
33:19ng advisor.
33:20This is not because
33:23I'm a lawyer.
33:25It's because
33:26I have been here
33:27for ages,
33:28since 1992.
33:29Kung pinakatamtang
33:31senador dito,
33:32sa term,
33:34hindi sa idad.
33:35Mas maaidad
33:36sa akin yung katati ko.
33:40Meron kayong
33:41legislative community,
33:42huwag kayong matakot.
33:43Pag sasirin kayo
33:45nagsasalita,
33:46pwede nyo
33:46invoke
33:47legislative community,
33:48magsalita kayo.
33:49Huwag nyo sabihin nyo
33:50against
33:51self-incrimination.
33:52Hindi.
33:53There is such thing
33:54inherent sa mga
33:55committees yung
33:56legislative community
33:58tinatawad.
34:00Kung meron kayong
34:00gusto ipagtapat,
34:01ipagtapatin nyo.
34:03Hindi pwedeng
34:04gamitin sa inyo
34:05pag sa hearing
34:06nyo sinabi
34:07na makakatulong
34:09kayo sa amin
34:10at matutulungan
34:11din namin kayo.
34:11Yan ang gamitin nyo.
34:13Tatanong sa bugato nyo.
34:14Alam na mga bugato nyo yan eh.
34:16Baka lang
34:16ayaw nyo na tayo
34:17nasabihin yung
34:18nang matapat eh.
34:20Diba?
34:20Huwag kayo matakot
34:21at kamulay po kaming
34:23may bibigisya
34:24yung
34:24legislative community
34:25tinatawad.
34:29Your Honor,
34:30itatanong ko lang po muna
34:31sa
34:31legal counsel ko.
34:34po.
34:36Please.
34:43One minute
34:44suspension.
35:02Ready to issue
35:03Mr. Chair.
35:16Hearing is
35:18resumed.
35:19Mr. Chairman,
35:22I distinctly recall
35:25nung araw nga
35:26na-question nyo
35:27issue nyo
35:27because
35:28baka gamitin sa
35:29korte
35:29yung sinasabi nyo
35:30dito.
35:31But
35:32it has always
35:33been implied
35:34lalo na pag
35:35hiniling
35:36nung
35:36resource person
35:41or nung
35:42witness.
35:44Pag hiniling
35:44niya
35:45na yung
35:46sasabihin niya
35:46ay hindi
35:47pwede gamitin
35:48sa kanya,
35:49pwede mo
35:49nung hindi
35:49gamitin
35:50yung
35:50self-incrimination
35:51na yan
35:51sinasabi.
35:52So,
35:54just for the
35:57record,
35:57there is no
35:58direct law
35:59pero
36:00ang tagging
36:00practice
36:01implied
36:01ang
36:02legislative
36:03immunity.
36:05Yes,
36:05what the
36:06Senate
36:06President is
36:10saying is,
36:11hindi po
36:11blanket
36:12yung
36:13legislative
36:13immunity.
36:14Pero
36:15yung
36:15invoke
36:16starting
36:16to the
36:17approval
36:17of the
36:18committee,
36:20pero
36:21kailang
36:21mag-tell
36:21all
36:21kayo
36:22kung
36:23kayo
36:23ibibigan
36:23ng
36:24legislative
36:24as the
36:25Senate
36:26President's
36:26paper,
36:27wala pong
36:27batas,
36:28unlike in
36:30the
36:30United States,
36:31pero
36:31napapractice
36:33namin yan,
36:34even
36:35during the
36:35time of
36:36Senator
36:36or
36:36Senate
36:37President
36:37Trilon.
36:37Wala
36:39naman pong
36:39nagkokasyon
36:40sa
36:40court.
36:42So,
36:42it has
36:43been a
36:43practice
36:43for the
36:45longest
36:45time
36:45na
36:46pwede
36:46mag-grant
36:47ng
36:47legislative
36:48immunity
36:48ang
36:49committee,
36:50any
36:50committee
36:51or
36:51standing
36:52committee
36:52for that
36:52matter.
36:53So,
36:53it's
36:53up to
36:54you.
36:54If
36:54you
36:54want
36:55to
36:55request
36:55the
36:56committee,
36:56if
36:57you
36:57want
36:57to
36:57invoke
36:57legislative
37:00immunity,
37:01then
37:01we
37:01will
37:02rule
37:02on
37:02it.
37:03But
37:03also,
37:04Mr.
37:04Chairman,
37:05but
37:05also,
37:06it
37:06does
37:06not
37:07accept
37:07you
37:08from
37:08perjury.
37:10It
37:10doesn't
37:11mean
37:11that
37:11you
37:11are
37:12accepted
37:12from
37:12perjury
37:13pag-dating
37:13invoking
37:14legislative
37:15immunity.
37:16May I
37:21clarify
37:21that?
37:22Because
37:22Senate
37:24President
37:24said
37:25that
37:25by
37:27tradition
37:27we
37:28can
37:28extend
37:29legislative
37:30immunity.
37:32But
37:32I
37:32think
37:33that
37:35is
37:35patient
37:35tradition
37:36that
37:36may
37:38not
37:38hold
37:39to
37:42any
37:42specific
37:42witness.
37:44That
37:44is
37:44why
37:44this
37:44representation
37:45as
37:45early
37:46as
37:46last week,
37:49I think,
37:50suggested
37:50a modality
37:51that is
37:52based
37:52on the
37:53law
37:53itself,
37:54which is
37:55Republica
37:566981,
37:59where a
38:00potential
38:01witness can
38:03apply under
38:04the
38:05witness
38:05protection
38:05program
38:07of the
38:07law.
38:08I think
38:08this is
38:09the best
38:09remedy
38:11that
38:11any
38:12potential
38:12witness
38:12who
38:13wishes
38:13to come
38:14into the
38:15open,
38:16considering
38:16that he
38:17or she
38:18will be
38:18protected
38:19well
38:19by
38:19the
38:19law.
38:20That's
38:20what we
38:21want to
38:21do.
38:22I
38:23don't
38:23know.
38:24I
38:24don't
38:25know.
38:26Justice
38:26Secretary
38:27because
38:28before I
38:28floated
38:29that
38:29idea,
38:30I made
38:30sure
38:30that
38:31that
38:31one
38:32is
38:32something
38:32that
38:32we
38:32can
38:33rely
38:33on.
38:34I
38:34spoke
38:35to
38:35an
38:38Under
38:38Secretary
38:38of
38:39Justice
38:39pagkatapos
38:40okay
38:41naman
38:41siya
38:41nung
38:41umpisa
38:42until
38:42he
38:44recommended
38:44or
38:44suggested
38:45that
38:46the
38:47Secretary
38:48of
38:48Justice
38:49should
38:49also
38:49be
38:49consulted.
38:50So
38:50sabi ko
38:51mas
38:51mabuti
38:51yung
38:52ganon.
38:53And
38:53then
38:53the
38:53Secretary
38:54of
38:54Justice
38:54called
38:55me
38:55personally
38:56at
38:57ang
38:57sinabi
38:58nga
38:58niya
38:58that
38:59is
38:59something
38:59that
38:59we
38:59can
39:00float
39:00we
39:00can
39:01encourage
39:01people
39:01like
39:02that
39:02kasi
39:02pagkakaalam
39:03ko
39:03ang
39:04Senato
39:04magkabakas
39:06naman
39:06tayo
39:06kasi
39:06ngayon
39:07we are
39:07pursuing
39:08the
39:09whistleblower
39:09act
39:10na
39:10sana
39:11maratify
39:12na
39:12Senate
39:12as
39:13soon as
39:13possible.
39:14So
39:14sa
39:15aking
39:15pagkakaalam
39:16po
39:17ay
39:17sinabi
39:17niya
39:18na
39:18this
39:19is
39:19a
39:20route
39:20that
39:20a
39:21potential
39:22witness
39:22can
39:23take
39:23of
39:23course
39:23subject
39:24to
39:24the
39:25application
39:26kung
39:26siya
39:26ay
39:27eventually
39:28be
39:29admitted.
39:30So
39:30sakali
39:31namang
39:31hindi
39:32siya
39:32ma-admit
39:32wala
39:33pong
39:33problema
39:34doon.
39:34However
39:35sabi
39:35ko
39:35sa
39:35kanya
39:36we
39:36need
39:37to
39:37go
39:37into
39:37the
39:37process
39:38which
39:38he
39:38agreed.
39:39Ang
39:39naging
39:40problema
39:40naman
39:40po
39:41Mr.
39:41President
39:42Chair
39:43bigla
39:44kasi
39:44siya
39:44gumawa
39:45ng
39:45parang
39:46press
39:47briefing
39:48saan
39:48sinabi
39:49niya
39:49na
39:49before
39:49a
39:50particular
39:51in
39:52this case
39:52the
39:52diskayas
39:53can
39:53apply
39:54under
39:55the
39:55witness
39:55protection
39:56program
39:56e
39:57kinakailangan
39:58mag-soling
39:59po sila
39:59ng
39:59mga
40:00nakulimbat
40:00nila
40:01which
40:02to
40:02my
40:03mind
40:03is
40:03not
40:03correct
40:04sapagkat
40:05kahit
40:06basahin
40:06po
40:07natin
40:07yung
40:07section
40:0810
40:09na
40:09ito
40:09po
40:10yung
40:10applicable
40:10provision
40:11under
40:11the
40:12law
40:12yun
40:13pong
40:14restitution
40:16or indemnification
40:18to the
40:18government
40:18while it
40:19is a
40:19good
40:19policy
40:20wala
40:22po
40:22dun
40:22e
40:22walang
40:22requirement
40:23na
40:23ganun
40:23e
40:24kaya
40:25nga
40:25sabi
40:25ko
40:25kung
40:25nandito
40:26sana
40:26siya
40:26I
40:27could
40:27have
40:27confronted
40:29him
40:29personally
40:30magkaibigan
40:31naman
40:31po
40:31kami
40:31hindi
40:32ko
40:32malaman
40:32kung
40:32bakit
40:33siya
40:33tumaliwas
40:33sa
40:34usapan
40:34namin
40:35at
40:36abogado
40:37naman
40:37siya
40:37kaya
40:37kanya
40:38naman
40:38basahin
40:38po
40:39either
40:39section
40:393
40:40or
40:40section
40:4010
40:40at
40:41the
40:41law
40:41wala po
40:42talagang
40:42restitution
40:43kasi
40:44mag-a-apply
40:45pa lamang
40:45po
40:46kung
40:46sakasakaling
40:47ma-admit
40:47siya
40:48in
40:48in
40:48other
40:49words
40:49the
40:49process
40:49must
40:50begin
40:50hindi
40:51nga
40:51po
40:51nangyari
40:52yung
40:52ganun
40:52so
40:53sayang
40:54po
40:54yung
40:54pagkakataon
40:55na
40:55tuntunin
40:56yung
40:57remedy
40:58which is
40:58very
40:59very
40:59legitimate
40:59under
41:01the
41:01law
41:01so
41:01inconsistent
41:02po
41:02yung
41:02sinasabi
41:03natin
41:03ngayon
41:03na
41:03we
41:04can
41:04provide
41:05legislative
41:05immunity
41:06but
41:07the
41:07thank you
41:10mr
41:10okay
41:12magkaiba po
41:14yung
41:14legislative
41:15immunity
41:15kesa
41:16sa
41:16pagiging
41:17state
41:17witness
41:18yung
41:18legislative
41:19immunity
41:20does not
41:20extend
41:21to
41:21prosecution
41:21ang sinasabi
41:23lang natin
41:23lahat
41:24ang sasabihin
41:24niya
41:24rito
41:25maski
41:25incremented
41:26niya
41:26yung
41:26sarili
41:26niya
41:27hindi
41:27pwedeng
41:28gamitin
41:28sa
41:28kanya
41:29yun
41:30lang po
41:31yung
41:31legislative
41:31immunity
41:32yung
41:32sinasabi
41:33niya
41:33po
41:33ay
41:33yung
41:33ma-admit
41:34so
41:34witness
41:35protection
41:35program
41:36at
41:36pwede
41:37siyang
41:37tanggapin
41:37ng
41:37DOJ
41:38bilang
41:38isang
41:39ordinary
41:39witness
41:40or
41:40as an
41:41accused
41:41na
41:41pwedeng
41:42i-discharge
41:42ng
41:42korte
41:43as a
41:44state
41:45witness
41:45magkaiba po
41:46yun
41:46kaya
41:47huwag
41:47niyo
41:47paghaluin
41:48kasi
41:48wala po
41:51tayong
41:51jurisdiction
41:52doon sa
41:53pag
41:53admit
41:53sa
41:53witness
41:54protection
41:54program
41:55under
41:55the
41:55law
41:55pwede
41:56lang
41:56tayo
41:57mag
41:57recommend
41:57pero
41:59iba po
41:59ipig
42:00usapan
42:00natin
42:00legislative
42:01immunity
42:01which
42:02is
42:02implied
42:02or
42:03inherent
42:04sa
42:05congress
42:05or
42:06sa
42:06senate
42:06or
42:07that
42:07matter
42:07na
42:08kasi
42:09meron tayong
42:09power
42:10of
42:10contempt
42:11pwede
42:12i-extend
42:12dyan
42:12sa
42:13power
42:13din
42:13to
42:14grant
42:16legislative
42:17immunity
42:17although
42:18wala pong
42:18jurisprudence
42:19dito
42:19pero
42:20may mga
42:20ruling
42:21din po
42:21dito
42:21ang
42:21court
42:22suprema
42:22at
42:23at
42:23wala
42:23naman
42:23pang
42:24nagdudulog
42:24sa
42:24supreme
42:25court
42:25ginagawa
42:26natin
42:26ito
42:26as
42:27i
42:27said
42:27for
42:27the
42:28longest
42:28time
42:28wala
42:29naman
42:29pung
42:29nagko
42:30question
42:30so
42:31kung
42:31meron
42:31magko
42:31question
42:32then
42:32we
42:32will
42:33allow
42:33or
42:33we
42:34will
42:34just
42:34wait
42:36for
42:36the
42:36supreme
42:36court
42:37to
42:37issue
42:38a
42:38ruling
42:39in this
42:39agad
42:40but
42:40don't
42:40let
42:40let
42:40you
42:41witness
42:43protection
42:43program
42:44to
42:45legislative
42:45immunity
42:46domain
42:47lang
42:47po
42:47natin
42:48yung
42:48legislative
42:48immunity
42:49now
42:49if
42:50anybody
42:50wants
42:50to
42:51question
42:51that
42:52authority
42:53or
42:53power
42:54which
42:55is
42:55inherent
42:55sabi
42:56ko
42:56nga
42:56hindi
42:56ito
42:57klaro
42:58na
42:58may
42:58power
42:59tayo
42:59kasi
42:59wala
42:59namang
43:00po
43:00talaga
43:00sa
43:00batas
43:01pero
43:02sa
43:02US
43:02jurisprudence
43:03meron
43:03po
43:04yan
43:04meron
43:05tayong
43:05pwedeng
43:05cite
43:06at
43:07tayo
43:07naman
43:07po
43:07sumusunod
43:08sa
43:10nakapattern
43:10po tayo
43:11sa
43:11United
43:11States
43:12pagdating
43:12sa
43:12mga
43:12jurisprudence
43:13so
43:14gusto
43:14ko
43:14lang
43:14yung
43:15sinasabi
43:16niyong
43:17witness
43:17protection
43:18program
43:18at
43:19being
43:19a
43:19state
43:20witness
43:20in
43:21the
43:21court
43:21of
43:22law
43:22kesa
43:22sa
43:23legislative
43:23immunity
43:24those
43:24are
43:24two
43:25different
43:25animals
43:26Mr.
43:27Chair
43:27malinaw
43:28na malinaw
43:29po
43:29yun
43:29at
43:30hindi
43:30po
43:30pinaghahalo
43:31naiintindihan
43:32po
43:32yun
43:33ang
43:33sinasabi
43:34ko
43:34lang
43:34po
43:35yun
43:36pong
43:36witness
43:37protection
43:37program
43:38is
43:40kung yun
43:40po
43:40sana
43:41ay
43:41napagpigyan
43:42hindi
43:42ko
43:43pinaghahalo
43:43yun
43:44sabukat
43:44malinaw
43:44po
43:45sa akin
43:45iba po
43:46yung
43:46course
43:46ng
43:47legislative
43:47inquiry
43:48iba
43:48na po
43:49yung
43:49remedy
43:49na
43:50yun
43:50po
43:51ay
43:51ibinibigay
43:52legitimately
43:52Thank you
43:53Thank you very
43:53much
43:53Senator
43:54Mercoleta
43:54So
43:55can we
43:55continue
43:56meron ka
43:57na lang
43:5725 seconds
43:58so
43:58you better
43:59wind up
43:59because
43:59Senator
44:00Jevy
44:00is waiting
44:01in the
44:01way
44:02Salamat
44:04Mr.
44:04Chair
44:04So
44:04Mr.
44:05Diskaya
44:05Saan
44:06niyo
44:06binibigay
44:07sa kanila
44:07ang pera
44:08Your Honor
44:13kinukuha
44:14po minsan
44:14ng tao
44:15nila
44:15Saan
44:16po
44:16Your Honor
44:19sa
44:20ano po
44:20minsan
44:21nakikita
44:21po kami
44:22pinupunta
44:24po kami
44:24sa
44:24siyang nila
44:26or
44:27minsan
44:27po
44:27sila
44:28pumapunta
44:28sa
44:28office
44:29ang sosyal
44:30Yes
44:31Mr.
44:31Chair
44:31Sino
44:31yung
44:32nila
44:32Ah
44:34yung
44:35mga
44:36nabanggit
44:36ko
44:36lang
44:36po
44:37dito
44:37yung
44:37tao
44:37po
44:38nung
44:38nandito
44:39po
44:39sa
44:39apidipid
44:40ko
44:40Thank you
44:41Mr.
44:41Chair
44:41At saan
44:42yung
44:42nilalagay
44:42ang pera
44:43pag
44:43binibigay
44:44niyo
44:44sa kanila
44:44sa
44:44siyang
44:44or
44:45sa
44:45office
44:45nyo
44:45Ah
44:48tadalasa
44:48po
44:48yung
44:49honor
44:49ano
44:50lang
44:50po
44:50nasa
44:51paper bag
44:51lang
44:52po
44:52Paper
44:53bag
44:53Kasia
44:54Saan
44:56bangko
44:56kayong
44:56nagwi-withdraw
44:57ng pera
44:58Ah
45:01your
45:01honor
45:01okay lang
45:02po
45:02ba
45:02i-consult
45:03ko lang
45:04po
45:04yung
45:04legal
45:04ko
45:04Mr.
45:06Chair
45:07if I
45:07may
45:07Mr.
45:08Chair
45:08with the
45:09permission
45:09of
45:09Senator
45:09Yes
45:10Mr.
45:10Chair
45:10Yes
45:11Taon
45:12Nino
45:13Taon
45:13Nino
45:15yung
45:15mga
45:15kongresista
45:16pinakit
45:16po
45:17Yes
45:17po
45:18your
45:18honor
45:18Ah
45:19kongresista
45:20tinatanong
45:21ko
45:21din
45:21yung
45:21DPWH
45:22officials
45:23na
45:23binabayaran
45:24nyo
45:24sa
45:24QC
45:24Ano ba
45:26yung
45:26topic
45:26mga
45:27DPWH
45:28officials
45:28One
45:29question
45:30is
45:31enough
45:31thank you
45:32Yes
45:35Mr.
45:35Chair
45:35tinatanong
45:36ko
45:36yung
45:36mga
45:36DPWH
45:37officials
45:37ng
45:37Quezon
45:37City
45:38na
45:38inamin
45:39ni
45:39Mr.
45:39Diskaya
45:40sa
45:40affidavit
45:40na
45:40binabayaran
45:41nila
45:41Ayon
45:47Honor
45:50pinupupunta
45:51po nila
45:51kami
45:52sa
45:52office
45:53po
45:54nila
45:54para
45:55dahil
45:55DPWH
45:56office
45:57Yes
46:00for
46:01your
46:01honor
46:01Wow
46:02and
46:02so
46:03paper bag
46:04my last
46:04second
46:05Mr.
46:05Chair
46:05saan
46:06bang
46:06ko
46:06my
46:06last
46:09question
46:10and
46:11one
46:12last
46:12brief
46:13manifestation
46:14kasi
46:15tinanong
46:15ko
46:15na
46:15saan
46:15bang
46:16ko
46:16kayo
46:16nagbibidraw
46:16ng
46:17pera
46:17your
46:20honor
46:20ano
46:21po
46:21yun
46:24okay
46:24lang po
46:25ba
46:25tanong
46:26ko
46:26muna
46:26yung
46:26council
46:26ko
46:27kinanong
46:27nyo
46:28na po
46:28kanila
46:28in the
46:28meantime
46:29you
46:29can
46:30yes
46:30my
46:30last
46:31manifestation
46:31in
46:32the
46:33others
46:34who
46:34are
46:34waiting
46:35yes
46:35Mr.
46:35Chair
46:35it's
46:35for
46:36the
46:36AMLOC
46:36hopefully
46:36hindi pa
46:37sila
46:37aalis
46:38before
46:3812
46:38noon
46:39yun
46:39yun
46:39lang po
46:40yung
46:40one
46:40paragraph
46:41manifestation
46:41ko
46:41salamat
46:42Mr.
46:43Chair
46:43um
46:44uh
46:45manifestation
46:46lang po
46:46Mr.
46:47Chair
46:47or request
46:48po
46:48sa
46:48Chair
46:48na
46:49isubmit
46:49po
46:49ng
46:50AMLOC
46:50sa
46:51committee
46:51ang
46:52kanilang
46:52reports
46:53na natanggap
46:54on suspicious
46:54and covering
46:55transactions
46:56related to
46:57contractors
46:58and relevant
46:59DPWH
47:00officials
47:00that's my
47:01request
47:01Mr.
47:02Chair
47:02and
47:03I
47:03think
47:03Mr.
47:03Chair
47:03and
47:04Mr.
47:04Disguide
47:04is ready
47:04to answer
47:05saan
47:06bangko
47:06sila
47:06nagbibidraw
47:07your
47:08honor
47:09I
47:09invoke
47:09Pax
47:11a
47:11Crasillo
47:11Mr.
47:13Chair
47:13I'm not
47:13sure
47:13if
47:14a
47:14person
47:14may
47:15invoke
47:15that
47:16long
47:16alam
47:17ko
47:17ang
47:17nag-i-invoke
47:18primarily
47:18yung
47:18mga
47:19banko
47:19Mr.
47:20Chair
47:20hindi
47:20man sila
47:20depository
47:21yung
47:21sa
47:21lahat
47:21senator
47:22senator
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