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00:00The New Barbie Pool Party
00:30I am from Jefferson Township, New Jersey.
00:40It's my hometown where I've made the best friends that I've ever had in my life.
00:501988, this terrible thing happened a mile from where I grew up to a kid that I played basketball with.
00:55There was this explosion of violence that nobody saw coming that just hasn't ever made sense to me.
01:05A mother and son from New Jersey are dead tonight.
01:07This was brutal. This was much more than typical murder.
01:13Tommy was my age. Same socioeconomic background. We all grew up with the same rules.
01:20Great kid, wrestler, baseball player, good student.
01:23And his mom. Super, super leading.
01:26Such a small town was such a tragic event.
01:32It was just all everybody wanted to talk about.
01:36We prayed for Tom. We prayed for Betty Ann.
01:39We prayed for the family that was left.
01:42We prayed for ourselves.
01:43The rumor mill's running wild because people want answers.
01:49Morris County police are broadening their investigation to determine if it was linked to a local satanic cult.
01:54We had a lot of things that pointed toward the devil made them do it.
02:00Is that possible?
02:02Everybody was buying in that this was a satanic murder.
02:05To the greatest demons of hell, I'd like to make a solemn exchange with you.
02:11When you make a pact with a deity, there has to be a sacrifice.
02:19This meeting in Morris County was set up to make people aware that Satanism exists.
02:24People in the community, we're looking for something to blame.
02:27I just cannot believe what's going on.
02:30You can call it the boogeyman, you can call it the devil.
02:32The devil doing it, it's not really a satisfying explanation.
02:36What was going on with this family?
02:38What's being hidden here?
02:41Parents were terrified that their kids could be next or that they could be next.
02:45It's one of those moments that you question your faith.
02:49How can this happen?
02:52The whole room got cold.
02:54The question was, was I talking to Satan or Tom?
03:02It's horrifying, it's scary, it's fascinating, it's mysterious, it's insane.
03:09You know, Satan comes in many disguises.
03:13And he knows everybody's weaknesses.
03:15And he knows how to manipulate them.
03:18What he did, I don't know.
03:20But I know he played a part in it.
03:25It wasn't God.
03:26It wasn't God.
03:56The suburbs in the 1980s was the ideal place and time to be a kid.
04:07No phones, no social media.
04:10Just bikes, friends, and freedom.
04:13The world felt safe and magical.
04:16A perfect little bubble.
04:17But beneath that innocence, there was this thing.
04:22This malevolence creeping in the shadows.
04:26No one knew where or when it would strike.
04:29But when it did, it was shocking.
04:32And it shattered everything we thought was real.
04:34I'm Eli Roth, and I've spent decades writing and directing horror movies.
04:41They entertain, but they also tap into real fears we all have about the darkness around us.
04:47I've been inspired by true stories.
04:53They conjured images in my mind that were even scarier than any ghost story I could make up.
04:57And it's these kinds of stories that haunt a whole community for decades.
05:03Just like what happened in Jefferson, New Jersey one cold, snowy night in 1988.
05:09I was a police officer for Jefferson Township in the 80s, 20-something years old.
05:26Now I was really just becoming an adult, really.
05:31I came from a family of police officers.
05:33My dad was a police officer in Jefferson Township also, and spent most of my childhood around police and police families.
05:44I always looked up to my father and, you know, respected him and wanted to follow in the path that he took.
05:54I knew the police life, and I understood it, and just always found it interesting, you know, dangerous, risky.
06:02And, uh, I kind of enjoyed that, you know, the adrenaline and something I really like to do.
06:21Usually on a Saturday night you'll get a call about a party or a bar fight or something.
06:27Call me here. I think it's for a festival.
06:29Officer McConaughey.
06:33The dispatch said, oh, we got a call, but a guy couldn't find his wife.
06:38And it was kind of a weird call.
06:40You know, to me it sounds like, all right, does she have a boyfriend?
06:42Or, like, you know, like, what do you mean you can't find your wife?
06:45Copy that.
06:45I was young, so I was aggressive.
06:54You know, I got there quick.
06:55It was cold and it was snowing.
07:00And I remember a lot of snow on the ground.
07:04When I pulled up, there was a yard that went up kind of like a hill to the front door.
07:08There was a group of people down by the road.
07:12And one of the kids I played football with, Stuart Kennedy, was in the yard with some people.
07:19He was my age.
07:20You know, we graduated together and everything.
07:21And he was distraught.
07:25And I got out of the car and I said, what's up, Stuart?
07:28And he said, oh, you might need the first aid kit.
07:31She's bleeding.
07:35We proceeded into the house.
07:40It was a small house, very small.
07:42So we went in the front door.
07:45And it was like a living room area.
07:48We proceeded straight.
07:50And then when we took the corner, there was the steps going down to the basement.
07:59Never expected to come across what I found.
08:12Hello?
08:16Is anybody here?
08:19This is police.
08:42Blood is like oil.
08:58If you take a quart of oil and you drop it, it'll keep spreading.
09:07Remember, I leaned over her because I didn't know if I was going to need to do CPR.
09:13That's when I saw that, like, I remember quite like an eyeball hanging out of the head and all.
09:18It was, it was pretty, um, don't know how to explain it.
09:25It's not something, you know, you'd expect to see, like, you know, it's like something out of a horror movie.
09:37Then I saw weights on the floor and the weights were off the one end.
09:40So I assumed that her head was bashed in, which caused her eyeball to explode out of the socket.
09:48And at that point, I knew that she was gone.
09:53When I went into, like, my job mode, I didn't know if somebody had broke into the house and killed her.
10:08Was it a burglary that went bad?
10:10Was it?
10:11I had no idea what it was.
10:13I'm just, is there a killer in this house?
10:15Hello?
10:22The basement was small.
10:23But then it was kind of like a utility room.
10:32I thought for sure, because the blood was still coming out, like, slowly, that whoever did it was, was maybe in the other room.
10:40You know, your blood's pumping.
10:45For a second, I didn't know it was Stewart.
11:06So, that was close.
11:09Hey.
11:10He was shooken up.
11:11Yeah.
11:12Yeah.
11:15Once we realized there was nobody there, then I went upstairs.
11:20A lot of people in town had police electrons, so they could hear everything that you talk about on the radios.
11:26So we were instructed that if it's something major, call headquarters from the phone.
11:31And then Bruce showed up.
11:32When Bart got on the radio, you could tell it was obviously something serious.
11:36His voice was excited.
11:37He was calling for the detectives, calling for the medical examiner, calling for additional help and resources.
11:42In 1988, I was a patrolman in Jefferson Township, married, no children at the time, and just enjoying life.
11:56Well, it was a nice town.
11:57I mean, I obviously was familiar with everybody.
12:01Grew up here.
12:02And that's the way the town was back then.
12:03Everybody knew each other.
12:05It was just a normal, you know, good place to live.
12:12There's been other homicides within the town, but not frequently.
12:18Maybe, you know, once a year or once every two years.
12:21So this was shocking.
12:26When I arrived at the scene, it was 11 o'clock at night.
12:30About a dozen people out in the front yard.
12:33As soon as I got out, all kinds of people are telling me what's going on and, you know,
12:37trying to sort out who was who and who actually even lived in the house.
12:40When I first entered, I noticed the smell of burnt paper.
13:06There was books scattered about the floor.
13:07That I'd been on fire.
13:12I remember just a lot of confusion, you know, trying to figure out what was going on.
13:18So I'm up by the kitchen now, and this guy comes storming in the house.
13:25Shoot, sir.
13:26This is a close crime, Caesar.
13:28This is who did it.
13:30This is my son.
13:31I live here.
13:31And says, my son did it.
13:34Like, aggressively.
13:35He grabs a photo.
13:44Looked like a school photo of a young boy.
13:47And that kind of threw me back.
13:49I said, well, who's that?
13:50And he said, that's my son, Tommy.
13:51He killed my wife.
13:53She's downstairs.
13:53He was excited and upset, understandably.
13:59I was trying to calm him down.
14:02He was adamant that it was, you know, Tommy was the one that did it.
14:05But I just couldn't comprehend that a young boy would be able to do that to his mother.
14:10You know, an eighth grader.
14:11I mean, he looked like he was a child.
14:13He looked at the picture.
14:15It was a child.
14:17I remember he seemed credible when I first spoke to him.
14:23He was very adamant.
14:24My son did this.
14:25Get him.
14:26Look, he tried to burn the house down.
14:27But that's what really threw me off.
14:32The father made him a suspect.
14:34Which I found unusual because I don't think a father would want to blame his kid until he knew.
14:43Wouldn't you be worried that maybe they abducted your son, too?
14:46Killed the wife and took the son?
14:48The father would protect his child.
14:52None of it made sense to me.
14:58There are several police reports available from that night.
15:00And one is a write-up from Officer Bart McConley.
15:04In his report, he recounts a statement from the father of the house, Tom Sullivan Sr., about his whereabouts that night.
15:13He advised me that he was sick and went to bed early.
15:18As he was sleeping, he heard the smoke detector go off.
15:23He got up to see what was wrong and found what he thought was newspapers burning on his living room couch.
15:30After distinguishing the fire, he went to the door and saw his automobile rolling down the driveway and into the snowbank across the street.
15:41He claims he then went over to neighbors and had his neighbor call the police.
15:46I was at a party at a friend's house, which was right across the street from the Sullivans.
15:56All of a sudden, somebody started rapping on the door real loud.
16:00And it was Tom Sr. from across the street.
16:04He's just, like, hyperventilating, sweating.
16:07I mean, the guy's a mess.
16:08And he said that his house was on fire and he can't find his family.
16:12So they immediately called the cops.
16:14I said, let's go over there.
16:17Went into the house with him.
16:20And there were books on the floor that were on fire.
16:25We started stamping it all out.
16:27And the books that were on fire were satanic books that were set up in a circle in the living room.
16:35It was unnerving, that's for sure.
16:44The younger son comes out of his bedroom.
16:48I mean, that kid was young.
16:49So I said, well, let's check down Stainers.
16:56Betty Ann?
17:04Get halfway downstairs.
17:08Tom looks to his left, sees his wife.
17:11Betty Ann!
17:12And just flipped out.
17:14Ran up, picked the kid up, and ran across the street to my friend's house.
17:19And I just followed her.
17:22He turned to me and said, Tom, he did it.
17:28I was scared shitless.
17:29Scared shitless.
17:36Received a phone call.
17:39We lived probably a mile, mile and a half from the scene.
17:44In 1988, I was a detective and a juvenile officer for the Township of Jefferson Police Department.
17:53So any kids that got in trouble usually ended up sitting in front of my desk or me paying a visit.
17:58I had never heard of Tommy or his brother Brian, so they had no history with me as a juvenile officer or the department.
18:05They started looking at what was going on with this family, how did this come about.
18:12The family, Betty Ann and Tom Sr., to the best of my knowledge, had never had any contact with the police department.
18:20It wasn't a place, as soon as they gave out the address, you know who it was, that type of thing.
18:23We certainly had plenty of those over the years.
18:26I had never had any dealings with this family at all prior to this and after this.
18:32They weren't on the radar for anything.
18:35Betty Ann was a devout Catholic.
18:37From what we understood, she went to Mass every day.
18:39She made sure that Tommy got to Mass, usually at least once a week on Sunday, and maybe even more.
18:47We have no real idea of why this happened.
18:51We need to facilitate the gathering of whatever forensic evidence might be available at the scene.
18:59There was still some smoke evident in the house at the time.
19:02I'm just looking at remnants of a newspaper fire where somebody bought some newspaper up and lit it.
19:07And then there were the books that were in the circle.
19:12After I got down to the basement, the first thing I saw was Mrs. Sullivan.
19:18And it was obviously, you know, she was deceased at that point.
19:21It wasn't even a matter of, you know, any ambulance transport in her because she may make it.
19:28What we initially took away from it was the level of violence.
19:33People can get upset, have a fight, maybe lose their temper.
19:38Hit someone, have a weapon, and use it, you know, in the heat of passion.
19:44But this was brutal.
19:47She was stabbed multiple times about the upper torso and the face.
19:51And just the saturation of the blood down in the basement kind of sticks in my mind.
19:56And she had to have put up a fight.
19:58She did have, you know, wounds to her arms, mostly to her upper torso, which I'm guessing after she had collapsed that they continued stabbing her.
20:08These were serious wounds.
20:11The number 47 sticks on my mind.
20:14The ones to the face, it appeared that there was almost an attempt to peel the skin off the face.
20:23I was the traffic officer for a while and handling many accident investigations.
20:32And quite honestly, I could say I've never even had a motor vehicle accident that was, uh, the victims were as, you know, disfigured as what Mrs. Sullivan was.
20:41It was definitely a homicide.
20:45At that point, I'm trying to piece everything together.
20:48Mr. Sullivan was inside, along with Mr. Eastman, one of the neighbors.
20:52So I'm trying to figure out the time frame of everything that had happened at this point.
20:55We had everybody accounted for in the family.
21:00Tom, Sr., who was the father, Betty Ann, who was the mother, and she was the victim.
21:04And then, and then Brian Sullivan, uh, was also at the house.
21:08We hadn't seen or there was no account of Tommy, Jr.
21:12The question became, where is Tommy?
21:20I was the next-door neighbor of Tom.
21:23I could walk and knock on Tommy's door, and it would take me 30 seconds.
21:30Tommy was my age.
21:31We grew up together, were in the same class, and wrestled on the same team.
21:37Jefferson, it was just like a regular, I guess, middle-class type town.
21:42There was a bunch of kids all the same age on that street.
21:45Wait up!
21:46So we would all hang out.
21:47There was this old, burnt-out tree that had, like, 20 Playboys underneath.
21:55We would always ride our bikes there and look at the Playboys.
21:59If the weather wasn't nice, you'd try to play video games inside.
22:02I remember we had a ColecoVision.
22:06The Sullivans had an Atari.
22:08His mother would bring us out with snacks, make, you know, bring juice or whatnot.
22:11She was always really nice to us.
22:14Being in the house was just, like, kind of normal.
22:20We would see the mom and the boys at church pretty regularly, and they were, you know, for the most part, just super quiet.
22:30They were just like every other family on the block.
22:34There wasn't really anything out of the ordinary.
22:37Being on your own is a responsibility that begins as soon as you leave school.
22:4280s kids had so much freedom.
22:45Summer breaks and weekends were spent playing all day.
22:48Either riding bites until the streetlights flicked on, or retina burned from an arcade screen.
22:54At some point, someone's mom would scream, it's dinner time, and we'd all go home and dine on blue box mac and cheese and burgers.
23:02But underneath that independence was something new.
23:05Everyone looks forward to growing up, and it's a good feeling to be given more responsibility.
23:11For many families, this was the first time that both mom and dad had full-time jobs.
23:16So when you got out of school, you'd come home to an empty house.
23:20They called us Lashkey kids.
23:22And of course, it was fun, but it made us vulnerable.
23:25And it made people nervous.
23:27It's 10 p.m.
23:28It's 10 p.m.
23:30It's 10 p.m.
23:32Do you know where your children are?
23:34That wasn't just a PSA.
23:37It was more of a warning.
23:38Because when no one's paying attention, anything can happen.
23:45I'll never forget that night.
23:53What the?
23:54There's police in the backyard.
23:57There was yellow caution tape.
24:00I remember seeing the dogs going around and sniffing things in the woods and whatnot.
24:04You could see a ton of footprints all over the place.
24:06So people have been trampling all around the snow in between his house and our house.
24:10And in both backyards and the front lawn and whatnot.
24:14Growing up in the town we grew up in, I mean, you never really saw any cops.
24:19You're like, oh my God, is everybody okay?
24:21What the hell happened next door?
24:25The first thing that clicked in my head was just find Tommy and find out what was going on.
24:37Did a search of the house to make sure Tommy wasn't there.
24:42I remember walking into his bedroom.
24:51The room was fairly dark.
24:53Bed was there, still made, so we know he didn't go to bed that night.
24:59I have to look under the beds to see if he's under there.
25:04With all these cuts and everything on this woman,
25:08I'm thinking I'm going to get stabbed in the face.
25:10I didn't know, you know, like...
25:11There was some things referring to some heavy metal.
25:25I did notice some drawings that he had made.
25:39Ram's skull.
25:41Some pentagrams that he had drawn.
25:43Just on scrap paper notebooks on the covers of the books.
25:48The one that I remember in particular was one of Satan's face.
25:52You could tell that he was not of the normal mind of what was going on at that point.
26:00Heavy metal.
26:01Is it harmless for your children or an invitation to drugs, violence, even suicide?
26:05Every decade has its own unique teenage rebellion.
26:09Pop culture to help them rage against the status quo.
26:12The 80s were no different.
26:13Alienated boys taking comfort in the aggressive sounds of Ozzy Osbourne, Anthrax, Metallica.
26:20Laughing at the tongue-in-cheek slasher films like Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street.
26:25It's the one and only Freddy Krueger.
26:28When it comes to fashion, if you couldn't find a pentagram shirt or a band you liked at the local mall,
26:35you just got out a black marker and did it yourself.
26:38In fact, I remember being around Tommy's age and I silkscreened an Iron Maiden Eddie
26:42on the back of my Texas Chainsaw Massacre shirt.
26:45It was an innocent expression.
26:46A way to feel tough and in control.
26:49Unless it wasn't.
26:50Unless it was something darker.
26:53But how would anyone know?
26:54The main thing at that point was secure the scene.
27:03Hey!
27:04Hey, come on, guys!
27:06In the house, we probably had about maybe six people that didn't belong there that went in.
27:10Outside, we probably had about another seven or so that didn't belong on the property.
27:15They all knew the Sullivans and they were trying to help.
27:18It was kind of overwhelming trying to control the scene when you have, you know, a dozen people wandering around.
27:22And at that point, we realized the scene was completely contaminated.
27:26Represent police department!
27:28I got everybody out of there and secured the area.
27:30And that's when we started doing our searching of the outside area.
27:37The Sullivans' car was out of the driveway and kind of perpendicular to the roadway almost,
27:4545-degree angle stuck in a snowbank.
27:47And at that point, the problem was we didn't have really many witnesses, you know, other than the father.
27:53I was 19 years old, going to college.
28:05Coming back that first winter break, that was my first time being back home.
28:09I remember just feeling on top of the world.
28:15Chris Eastman, he was a friend of mine.
28:17We used to always have parties at his house.
28:20So there was one that night, you know, and I knew all my friends were going to be there,
28:23or a lot of my friends anyway.
28:25And, yeah, so it was just an exciting time to get back and just to connect with everybody.
28:32Parked probably about maybe six or seven houses away.
28:35I remember just getting out of the car, and I was just in a good mental spot.
28:40I remember singing a song.
28:42You know, I know it's a little corny, but I was just in that good a mood.
28:45I was humming, singing, and as I was doing that, I noticed up the block,
28:50somebody come running outside with something shiny in their hand.
28:55I thought it was a flashlight at first, but then I realized the way it was moving in the light,
29:00that it was something else, and I had no idea, but I knew it was metallic.
29:02I kind of stopped, because I just thought it was weird that they were moving so fast.
29:08Couldn't tell how old the person was.
29:10I probably couldn't tell you if it was a guy or a girl.
29:12That's how far away it was, and it was dark out.
29:16Hopped in the car, started, and pulled out right away.
29:18It was like there was no warm-up or anything like that.
29:21So I was like, wow, this is really weird.
29:23Backed out very aggressively into a snow mound.
29:26We had a lot of snow at that time.
29:27And the car got stuck in the mound.
29:31Couldn't get out.
29:32Opened the car door.
29:34They didn't go in the back and try to dig it out.
29:37You know, they didn't even get out and look at it, why it was stuck.
29:40Left the door open and ran back up their driveway to the right,
29:45and they went in between the houses that was directly to the right of them.
29:51And disappeared.
29:56I went joyriding with my friends in Jefferson before we were, you know, of age.
30:01So I thought that might have been the situation where somebody just was trying to joyride
30:06and made a mistake and just kind of just took off because they were scared.
30:09I headed back to Chris's party.
30:17So I went inside and I told Chris, I said, hey, your neighbor just backed out
30:21and left the car running with the door open, kind of in the middle of the street.
30:25You know, I guess me just passing that piece of information to him satisfied me.
30:30You know, I was like, oh, I kind of did my job.
30:32I let him know that there was something outside that was a little unusual,
30:35and he's not worried about it, so I'm not going to worry about it.
30:39I started having a couple beers.
30:43You know, it was just a good time.
30:47I was down there for maybe about 20 minutes,
30:50and the Jefferson police came.
30:57Most people there at Chris's house were 21 years old, you know,
31:00so I was one of the minors.
31:01So I was really worried about being in trouble for underage drinking.
31:07But they hit us right away with, did anybody see anything next door?
31:12It's okay.
31:13And I just kind of raised my hand and opened my mouth.
31:17I saw something.
31:18Do you mind coming with me, please?
31:21Yeah.
31:22They took me down to the police station
31:23because they said they wanted to, you know, do some questioning.
31:29You knew something happened,
31:30and that's when I really started to get scared.
31:32I am a lifelong resident of Jefferson Township,
31:52born and raised in the Lake Shawnee section of the community.
31:54I love growing up there, raised my own family there,
31:58in the house that I actually grew up in,
31:59so I can't get any more hometown than that.
32:03For the last six years now,
32:04I've been the mayor in Jefferson Township.
32:07But in 1988,
32:09I was on the Jefferson Township Police Department
32:10at that point about two years.
32:14That night, I was working the midnight shift.
32:17At that point, they were going to do a search of the area,
32:20looking for Tommy Sullivan.
32:23For a lot of reasons, you know, you want to try to find him.
32:26What happened? Was anybody else there?
32:28I mean, at that point, you don't know.
32:30He was the missing piece of, you know,
32:32anybody in the home at the time,
32:33so naturally, he's the first suspect.
32:36On foot, he couldn't have gotten too, too far,
32:39but it was imperative to try to find him.
32:43At that time, we were about 30 officers,
32:46which is relatively small in New Jersey.
32:48We had a large area to cover, 42 square miles.
32:51Not a big population.
32:52I think at that time,
32:53we were probably running about 18,000 people.
32:57And, um, but a wide area, a large area.
33:03My understanding is that my parents talked to the police
33:06and said that Tommy was not in there,
33:08and they were literally just looking,
33:10like, police came in,
33:11looked around in all the houses to see if Tommy was there,
33:13and then they went to the next house to see if he was there.
33:15And it was just, like, kind of a manhunt for Tommy.
33:18As all the investigators started arriving,
33:20I started to become more involved with the outside search.
33:25It started out when we had to organize in teams.
33:28We didn't want to damage the scenes any more than what it was,
33:31so we held off on doing a foot search of the general area.
33:36Initially, it took a while to get the canine unit there.
33:40You want to get the canine there as quick as possible
33:42so that the scent is still fresh.
33:45You know, another animal comes through
33:47or anything can distract the dog off that particular scent.
33:51They started at the car where we're stuck in a snowbank
33:54and went across the street through the neighbor's yard
33:57and down and across through the woods.
34:01White Rock is kind of a planned community.
34:04You know, houses on one side, houses on the other,
34:06and woods behind.
34:08We're walking through the woods just looking for anything,
34:11looking for tracks, looking for, you know,
34:13canine will lead you in different directions
34:16and stuff like that.
34:17I was with the handler from the sheriff's department
34:20tracking the dog from White Rock Boulevard.
34:22We ended up all the way out to Schoolhouse Road,
34:24which is a road that runs parallel with White Rock Boulevard.
34:30It turns out what we were tracking
34:32was one of the neighbors that thought they were being helpful
34:34trying to find Tommy.
34:40When the canine search didn't come up with anything,
34:43then we started branching out more
34:44and doing a search of the neighborhood.
34:49A lot of things going on in my mind
34:50about which way to proceed next.
34:52Wintertime, nighttime, so he's not going to be hanging around outside.
34:55So, you know, first thing you're worried about
34:57is he trying to break into somebody's home.
34:59He'd be known in the area
35:00because the neighbors all knew each other.
35:02So they would know if he tried to their house,
35:04they'd be calling us right away.
35:06At some point, it was decided
35:08we needed to take Brian and his father
35:10to the police station.
35:11A gentleman and his son were in a room.
35:34They were, you know, very upset.
35:37I was scared.
35:41I didn't know what was going on
35:43and I could tell the father was really emotional.
35:49The father was pacing back and forth
35:52saying, I don't know if I'm going to hug him
35:56or if I'm going to kill him.
35:58When they find him,
35:59I don't know if I'm going to hug him
36:00or if I'm going to kill him.
36:02And that's when I realized something,
36:04you know, really bad happened.
36:10Tom?
36:11They took the father out
36:14and they left me in the room
36:15with the young boy.
36:20And I could hear a lot of commotion through the door
36:23and I realized that somebody died.
36:29The boy was sitting there crying.
36:31You know, I went over and, you know,
36:47he didn't know me.
36:48I didn't know him.
36:49But, you know, he was crying.
36:51And then, you know, I started crying.
36:54Not sure why.
36:55I don't know why.
36:57Maybe I was feeling compassion for the boy.
37:01Maybe I was scared that somebody died
37:03and I'm in the police station
37:05and I'm being questioned.
37:07It was just a really emotional experience for me.
37:12But I remember I was just trying to comfort the boy
37:15and I don't know how long it was,
37:17but they pulled me in for some questioning.
37:20I just remember I needed to focus
37:24and give them every bit of information
37:26as best I could,
37:27but it was certainly a tough time, for sure.
37:31There was a lot of concern about Brian that night.
37:37Tell me everything you remember tonight.
37:42And then he started talking about it.
37:45And what he related to me
37:47was his interaction with Tommy.
37:55Brian Sullivan, age 10,
37:58states that he and his brother Tom
37:59had watched TV in the downstairs family room
38:02from approximately 8 p.m. to 10 p.m.
38:06During this time,
38:07his mother remained upstairs with his father,
38:10who wasn't feeling well.
38:13Did you see that?
38:24Brian, mom, it's time to bed.
38:28Say goodbye.
38:28At approximately 10 p.m.,
38:36he went to his room to go to bed.
38:42He said his prayers.
38:47A short time later,
38:49he got up to go to the bathroom.
38:52He got up and came
38:54basically face-to-face with Tommy.
38:56He saw his brother Tom,
39:00who appeared all hyped up,
39:03shaking and nervous.
39:05Tom?
39:08Notice that Tommy was getting cleaned up.
39:10It looked like he had blood on his hands,
39:13bloody towel, that type of thing,
39:14and asked him what had happened.
39:17And Tommy just kind of said,
39:18don't worry about it.
39:20I just cut myself.
39:21It's all taken care of.
39:22Tom then told Brian to go back to bed
39:25and don't wake up daddy.
39:29Brian then states he became scared
39:31and went back to his bedroom
39:32to find his stuffed animals.
39:34It wasn't long after that
39:38that the smoke alarm in the house went off,
39:41and that's what kind of sparked
39:43the series of events
39:44that led to the discovery of
39:46Betty Ann in the basement.
39:47I would say it was maybe 45 minutes
40:03to an hour
40:03before I was sent back on patrol.
40:09So I'm driving,
40:11and I remember
40:11a lot of things were going through my mind,
40:14thinking about what my father told me.
40:15It just didn't feel right to me.
40:21For a father
40:22to draw a conclusion that quickly,
40:24to go from knowing nothing
40:25to saying, get my son,
40:28when you don't even know where your son is.
40:30He was very adamant.
40:31My son did this.
40:32Look, he tried to burn the house down,
40:34but how do you know that?
40:37You were sleeping.
40:39He said that the smoke detector woke him up.
40:42And already in my mind,
40:43I'm thinking,
40:43and that brutal murder didn't wake you up,
40:46but in that little tiny house,
40:48I found it a little odd.
40:51You never search your house.
40:53Why are you going to look at a high school party?
40:55Why wouldn't you look in your house first?
40:57And why did you have teenagers call headquarters?
41:01How did you go from going down the street
41:03to the party to coming back
41:04and knowing that your son did this?
41:07At minimum, I felt like he knew a lot more
41:09than he was telling me.
41:16My shift ended.
41:18I didn't go home.
41:18I went to my parents' house,
41:21and I remember I was still in uniform,
41:23and my dad came out and said,
41:25what's going on?
41:28I was really just becoming an adult, really,
41:31like 20-something years old.
41:33Didn't experience much in life.
41:34And I just kind of told him what happened,
41:38you know,
41:40that I found this woman
41:42that was, like, brutally murdered.
41:46And I was trying to process it.
41:49I mean, it was terrible.
41:53And it bothered me.
41:56My dad, he was like,
41:58you know, it's terrible,
41:59but imagine what kids in being um saw.
42:01You know, like,
42:03they went through a lot worse.
42:06Back then, you didn't...
42:08you didn't really discuss
42:09your emotions or anything.
42:11You always taught us to be men.
42:14And so I just buried it,
42:17compartmentalized it.
42:21You know, you can't be a crybaby.
42:31Not only did we search the woods
42:40behind the homes across the street,
42:43but we had a condo development
42:45that were just being built at that time,
42:47and you're talking a couple hundred units.
42:50You just don't know
42:51what you were going to run into
42:53if, in fact, you found him
42:55or, you know,
42:56other people with him.
42:57You have to have that little bit
43:00of a sense of fear
43:00just to get the adrenaline going
43:02a little bit, you know,
43:03and to help you do your job better.
43:05So it was pretty intense.
43:10We don't know if we have
43:12a teenager or a young boy
43:14that is out of his mind
43:15somewhere with a knife
43:16doing something,
43:17or we don't know
43:18if he hurt himself,
43:19or, you know,
43:21we don't know much of anything.
43:23Was it going to hurt neighbors?
43:25What was it going to do?
43:26You know, where was he?
43:29What happened?
43:30Was anybody else there?
43:31I mean, at that point,
43:32you don't know.
43:33Was there other people involved?
43:35I mean, he could be another
43:36homicide victim,
43:37for all we know,
43:38at that point in time.
43:39Was there a fight?
43:40Did the kid run
43:41because he saw something?
43:42Don't know.
43:44He's the missing link.
43:46He's the one that'll have answers.
43:47He's the one that'll have answers.
43:56No.
44:04No.
44:04No.
44:05No.
44:09No.
44:12No.
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