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00:00Unfortunately for them, I'm directly next door. And you know what it's like when you're
00:09trying to have sex quietly. It's more hassle than it's worth. I'm Stacey Dooley. And I'm
00:20packing my bags for some more sleepovers. I'll be coming out of my comfort zone.
00:26Imagine if I fall to my death in Scotland. To spend the weekend in the homes of Britain's
00:31more extraordinary families. You lead. I follow. You've likened feminism to cancer.
00:38This is Hebrew. Oh my goodness. I'm so sorry. Imagine owning an island. Do you worry about
00:51having a criminal record? My name is Stacey. What's the best thing about being a model?
01:06Pumas don't belong in the UK. Oh my God. I really didn't anticipate this.
01:15Over the last 15 years, I've forged a career that has allowed me to be a self-sufficient,
01:27independent woman. Settling down with a husband and kids has so far not been a priority.
01:37Recently, I heard about Trad Wives, a growing community of women around the world that have
01:43rejected their career ambitions to focus solely on becoming the archetypal good housewife.
01:49Your ultimate goal is to be a wonderful wife and mother. And that's wonderful. Since serving
01:55my husband, I have been much happier in my marriage. Our marriage has been thriving much more.
01:59My understanding of this movement is these women are very obedient, right? The husband is very much in
02:13charge. And they just take care of all the household chores, look after the kids, dress a certain way,
02:21present themselves in a certain way. Essentially, everything I'm not.
02:27This weekend, I'm going to stay with one such woman who traded great career prospects to become a Trad Wife.
02:35You are encouraged to work on looking beautiful, and you submit and you obey your husband.
02:45The lady I'm about to meet is called Lillian. She's replying to a tweet here. She's giving us tips.
02:51Learn good housekeeping tricks. Smile. Be a good listener. Try not to talk too much.
02:59Never speak over your husband, especially in public. Someone said, have fun being a slave to a man though.
03:09I find those beliefs wildly outdated. I totally see myself as a feminist.
03:17And I suppose Lillian's set-up begs the question, is this sort of two fingers up to feminism?
03:37I arrive on a Friday afternoon in the sleepy town of Hanbul, wondering if the Trad Wife movement is one huge step
03:45in the wrong direction for womankind.
03:51Hi. Welcome. How are you? Come on in.
03:54Thank you so much. Hello. Hi.
03:58This is Lavinia. This is Miss Stacey. Yeah. And this is Ignatius.
04:04Hello, Ignatius.
04:08So, you're not from England. You're from the state.
04:10So, my family, one generation ago, is from Central America, Nicaragua, and they emigrated to the United States when I was six months old.
04:19So, I grew up in the U.S., so my accent is American. And Lillian, you?
04:22Yeah. My parents are from Taiwan and Hong Kong, so I'm Chinese, but I was born and raised in America, so everyone over the phone thinks I'm some blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl.
04:31What made you come here?
04:33I've been a little bit of an Anglophile since I was young, and it's rooted in sort of my love for the founding of the United States.
04:40There's like a long tree of heritage back to the U.K.
04:44I thought, wouldn't it be nice to go and live there one day?
04:46I got the opportunity to transfer within my company, and I took it, and we've been here, so.
04:51So, Lillian, you're a trad wife. Are you happy with that description?
04:55Yeah, and in that it means traditional housewife or traditional wife. It's almost like our family's a business, and he's a CEO, and he leads the direction of the family.
05:05Okay. So, what's the plan for the weekend?
05:09So, on Saturday, we're having our ten-year anniversary renewal of vow ceremony.
05:14Okay.
05:15And then on Sunday, our baby number three, who was born about three or four months ago, is going to get baptized.
05:23And so that's a really important event for us as a family to welcome him into the family of faith, if you will.
05:30Incredible. And I'm allowed to sort of witness all of that.
05:33Yes. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
05:36You certainly live up to the hoop earring sort of reputation.
05:41Is that right?
05:42Your reputation precedes you on the hoop earrings.
05:44They're my USP.
05:46Oh, right. What's USP?
05:48My unique selling point.
05:49Oh, right. That's your brand.
05:51Hoop earrings. It's my brand.
05:52Yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:54As well as daughter Livy and son Ignatius, Lillian recently gave birth to her second son, Augustine.
06:01Oh, good boy.
06:03Hello.
06:04Oh, my goodness.
06:05Do you want to say hi to Mrs?
06:07Hello, baby.
06:08Oh, Lillian, he's too much.
06:11So, he was born literally right here, in this room.
06:14In this room?
06:15Yes.
06:16How was that?
06:17It was great.
06:18So, I'll show you where you're going to stay.
06:20So, you're going to sleep in here.
06:22Oh, brilliant. Perfect.
06:23But the bed is not here yet.
06:24No, that's okay.
06:25We're going to set it up later.
06:26Yeah, perfect.
06:27This is my room.
06:28Is that okay?
06:29Yeah.
06:30You're not going to wake Miss Stacy up in the morning, are you, by busting in here.
06:33Miss Stacy, don't break my heart.
06:37Lillian is, like, super glamorous.
06:40Really beautiful.
06:41Like, the lipstick's immaculate.
06:43She's like a vision.
06:45It was really funny, actually.
06:46Felipe was like, oh, your gold hoops are exactly what I thought they would be or something
06:52like that.
06:53I don't know.
06:54God, he hates the hoops.
06:56He hates the hoops.
06:57Hello.
06:58Hello.
06:59So, the food's all set up in the back.
07:02Perfect.
07:03Oh, look at this.
07:04And so, Lillian, you can lead the way.
07:06Oh, thank you ever so much.
07:07Is this my seat?
07:09Well done.
07:10Look at this.
07:12Just so I understand, Lillian, as soon as you got married, were you a trad wife?
07:19Or has this been something that's developed over time?
07:23Yeah, this has definitely developed over time.
07:25Right.
07:26When we did have her, I felt like, yeah, that was the beginning of the transformation, if
07:32you will.
07:33So, I would probably have identified myself as a feminist before getting married.
07:37And I was, yeah, very much interested in my own career.
07:41But it's very different now.
07:44Are you happy?
07:45Does it work for you?
07:46Absolutely.
07:47I wish I was ready to embrace it earlier.
07:53Within the structure of this trad marriage, Felipe is the sole earner, while Lillian keeps
07:59the home.
08:01The couple have also decided to homeschool, keeping the children protected from outside influences.
08:08Okay.
08:09Round.
08:10T'was midnight on the mountain brown, the cold round moon shone brightly down.
08:17Do you worry that a mainstream school would distract Livy?
08:23I think so.
08:24They're so impressionable at this age.
08:26And even sometimes when we make new friends and they maybe cuss or something.
08:32I think it would make it normal for her and then it would make it difficult for me trying
08:37to enforce a behaviour that she then wants to mimic somewhere else.
08:41Mainstream school will never be for Livy, you don't think?
08:44I don't think so.
08:45With two masters degrees, Lillian is more than qualified for the teacher position.
08:50You've clearly achieved a lot and you've decided to give it all up, in essence.
08:57Do you ever think, you know, I could have done this, I could have done that?
09:02I did think that when I was in the first two or three years of marriage.
09:06We were choosing where to live based on Felipe's job because he has more earning power.
09:10But really, honestly, after having our daughter, it just changed the way I thought completely.
09:17If you were the one with the earning power, would Felipe be willing to stay at home?
09:25No, I don't think he would, no, because I think for most men, especially masculine men,
09:33when you have the wife who is the main income earner, there, I don't know what it is,
09:39but it just seems like the husbands feel lesser, they don't feel appreciated.
09:45And then infidelity occurs, it's quite high for if the woman makes more money than the man,
09:51then the man usually goes off and finds another woman that he can be, he's better than.
09:56But doesn't that then sort of limit your dreams?
09:59So I think it's a myth to say that women can have it all.
10:02In the trad wife world, gender roles are far more polarized, with the man of the house holding authority.
10:23Felipe works for a local engineering firm.
10:26I'm curious how he defines his role within the family.
10:31So, are you a trad husband?
10:34If you imagine a city, right, in the Middle Ages, people used to build these heavy walls around the cities.
10:40If Lillian and the children are the inhabitants of that city, then I'm the hard wall around it.
10:46So if something dangerous comes, I'm the first point of contact, I'm the wall that protects them.
10:52That's built into my DNA. It runs in my blood.
10:56What makes a good trad wife? What do you expect from Lillian as the CEO?
11:00So Lillian is like the gardener of the garden.
11:06She looks after all the flowers and creates beauty in the house.
11:10And she is there to inspire me to be a better man.
11:17In terms of the money, the decision making, are you pretty much in charge?
11:26My cheque goes straight into a shared account and she does the grocery shopping, she does clothing shopping, she gets an allowance.
11:34So she manages all the purchases. That's the way the money is handled.
11:38It's not like I inspect every purchase my wife makes.
11:42Do the kids look at this set up and recognise that actually Dad's in charge, what Dad says goes?
11:49Yeah, yeah. So if we ask the kids, so who's the boss, they'll say Daddy's the boss.
11:56Some people may look at this set up and think it lends itself to the woman just, you know, playing that traditional stereotypical role where she's subservient and she shouldn't offer opinion and she should only speak when spoken to.
12:11And we want to move from that, right?
12:14Yeah, certainly. Lillian has many opinions and she voices them all the time.
12:18She's of equal importance. Her voice matters just as much as mine.
12:21Although the buck stops with me and I make the ultimate decision.
12:25I mean, I'm a 33-year-old woman. I earn my own money. I run my own house. I don't have to answer to anyone. I've never relied on a man.
12:36Right. You think that's a fault then, to have to rely on somebody?
12:41Uh, I think it makes you more vulnerable.
12:44And do you think being vulnerable is bad?
12:46I don't want to find myself totally reliant on a man.
12:51Yeah.
12:52Because that means if I'm not happy and I don't feel fulfilled and complete, I might have to stick around.
12:58Yeah.
12:59Whereas the life I've chosen, I can do as I please.
13:02But I appreciate that probably sounds very selfish to you.
13:05It does a little bit. Yeah.
13:07It means you would not be willing to persevere a little bit.
13:12I think in this household, masculinity and femininity, they're really important.
13:18You know, them gender roles aren't fluid at all. They're very structured.
13:25I don't think the modern interpretation of equality appeals to them. Either of them.
13:35So, I've got a gift for you.
13:53This is brilliant.
13:56so I haven't won an apron for like 18 years Wow okay what do I need to do do
14:07you know how to cover bell pepper yeah yeah do you need help I eat out a lot so
14:17yeah describe your typical day then yeah your boyfriend that work is all
14:22consuming I mean Kevin I we've been together two years so do you do you want
14:29to get married at some point I don't think so really never actually no I think
14:34I'd be more interested in starting a family than getting married so yeah that
14:40wouldn't be a prerequisite for you or anything you know you could have
14:43children without getting married right mm-hmm I think there's a bit of a
14:46danger to that just for the children sake I think a lot of problems come from when
14:51when parents separate it is it is so prevalent these days not getting
14:56married whereas only 50 years ago it was taboo to have children without getting
15:02married oh completely yeah kids outside wedlock was like a sin yeah some
15:08people's eyes my team of days half half and then what's going on here hey we're
15:16running late yeah what a disappointment can you cook Philippe I can fry an egg you
15:24can fry an egg yeah yeah boil an egg frying egg yeah I'm kind of a jack of all
15:30trades will Philippe be annoyed that dinner's late if I have to take care of
15:38the home and there's some standards I think then keep to them but no he
15:44doesn't like break me or anything my pay plans no nothing like that I would just
15:50get I would just be reminded that next time have it on time I think I suppose
15:56what makes your situation unique is you couldn't say look Philippe I'm not
16:01cooking tonight you know I ain't got it in me you would have to ask him if that was
16:07okay right right but I guess the modern woman would be like you should learn how
16:11to cook clearly you need you're an adult that's what we hear a lot so if if
16:15Philippe has a loving traditional housewife why would he need to do it
16:19right I think the world would be a better place if more women were willing to
16:25back down and just say okay I trust you you can't hear it but my heart is slowly shattering
16:41this is good thank you both of you I think you have the chance of becoming a trad wife I think you
16:52have the chance you have the stuff I would say don't hold your breath Philippe I actually can't
17:00think of anything worse than being a trad wife I would be useless completely and utterly useless it
17:12divorce me in a heartbeat okay go get ready for bed come on I think on a surface level we get on
17:19is deceptive you know the obvious elephant in the room is I'm a modern-day feminist and
17:27Lillian and Philippe don't seem to appreciate modern-day feminists I don't know if it's fair to say she's
17:36been brainwashed I think she believes that this is very much her choice morning how did you sleep
17:56yeah perfect thank you yeah that's great that's great I noticed that Philippe and Lillian have a
18:03fair amount of religious artwork and something tells me it's not just for show thank you Lord for giving
18:16to me thy great salvation so rich and free may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God
18:29and the fellowship of the Holy Ghost be with us all for many conservative Christians the father is the
18:35head of the family and demands a level of discipline we try to be very diligent about curating what they
18:42watch this strict rules so only Saturday morning is TV time they get to pick one thing and I pick
18:48one thing Transformers has made the filter because it's a very clear picture of good versus evil so
18:56biblical yeah in many ways that's right that's interesting so they're only allowed to watch TV on
19:01a Saturday morning and only if they've been good that week okay so the weeks where they're not good
19:08Lavinia what happens if you don't watch TV on a Saturday morning what's a rock march what's a rock
19:15march you on a march with something heavy on your back why because we were naughty if you were naughty
19:27yes mind you it's not so heavy that they're like falling backwards that's I've never heard anything
19:33like that before so Lavinia what are we trying to remember when we carry that heavy book bag or rock
19:41on our back that's right because Jesus carried a cross and so we carry a heavy thing to remind ourselves
19:51that you know that that the Lord made a big sacrifice for us and that we should be grateful
19:59and that great gratitude should translate into obedience and good comportment and love
20:07obedience is a core belief in the trad world and today Lillian will be making the ultimate commitment
20:18when she renews her wedding vows tell me a bit about the vows when we first got married you remove the
20:25obey part and then right and then now that we are transformed to a new vision we're doing the
20:33classic unwatered down vows so this time you're gonna say that you're you're keen to obey that's right
20:40I'm gonna I'm gonna vow it vow to obey I just feel like I understand my role better now and that's what
20:49I want to promise him in my vows yeah you don't feel restricted you feel enlightened oh absolutely
20:57absolutely yes I wish I I would be able to if I could try and travel and tell my younger self and
21:04somehow convince my younger self that you know maybe you should respect your husband more and submit to
21:09him because the beginning of our marriage was quite you know we had a lot of disagreements and it was very
21:15unpleasant at times and I think it could have been avoided if you had have just been a bit more
21:20obedient if I were less rebellious
21:23Lillian is cementing her commitment to becoming a trad wife by updating her wedding vows
21:38welcome please be seated we'll see you soon we'll see you in there how feeling good great butterflies
21:46but good butterflies are a lovely feeling yeah something great's about to happen yeah yeah it was
21:52nearly a century ago that the church offered an alternative service without the bride vowing to obey
21:59the vicar has reluctantly agreed to use the original version but doesn't want the service filmed
22:05it seems the trad wife movement is a little contentious even to the oldest of establishments
22:13I Lillian took the Felipe to be my wedded husband to love cherish and to obey till death us do part and
22:23there too I give thee my trough
22:30I think the ceremony went as they planned it was interesting actually like the vicar prior to the service
22:39starting there was a bit of a disclaimer he said you know some of this language may appear archaic and
22:46outdated but obviously Felipe and Lillian wanted that language used
22:53all right welcome everybody we are so pleased to have all of you here it means a lot to us
23:03so you two are work colleagues yes yeah yeah yeah how much do you know about the trad wife trad husband
23:17movement it was never never anything that I'd ever thought about considered or even like aware of its existence
23:24um it was only when Felipe started talking about it in an office environment work environment that
23:28everyone starts rolling their eyes going yeah we had that in the 50s is Felipe a misogynistic lunatic
23:39hmm he has his moments when he will he will come across that way it's so completely out of the norm
23:46that it appears that way if I tried that with my wife it just wouldn't yeah just wouldn't wash you do
23:52chores around the house yeah yeah of course I do of course I do not enough did you hear that
23:56where's your wife did you hear that I need to find your wife not enough no Sarah do I do chores
24:00at home yes he does I'm very lucky actually so you haven't been converted he's tried
24:06we are going to do a quick pop quiz about the couple here we go first question where did the
24:20couple meet I know this I see you googling over there doing that since moving to Britain six
24:29years ago Felipe and Lillian have found no shortage of friends many with similar ideals you met
24:36interestingly at work we did yes yeah it took a liking to her and found they're very intelligent and
24:42switched on and just and then he locked me up at home yeah Alina has been one of the more vocal
24:51members of the trad wife community today I'm going to share with you five reasons why I love being a
24:58traditional stay-at-home housewife having created her own YouTube channel and appeared on various chat
25:04shows Alina was surprised at the amount of negative criticism she received I wonder if the feminists
25:16those that really oppose what you're about fear that you're undoing all of their hard work personally
25:24the only people that have come to attack me young women who aren't married and don't have children my
25:29understanding of feminism is that it's about women being autonomous over their own lives making
25:35decisions that make them happy and by extension their own families so isn't that what we were
25:40fighting for we have the vote we have the right to work we should have the right to stay home people
25:46think my husband's in charge of me that's what people really hate the idea of the fact that it's
25:52really anti-feminist I don't rule my own life there's actually I've got more freedom now than when I had a
25:57boss saying why weren't you here at 9am yeah you know do you think there's a need for feminism there's
26:03a need for all human rights boys need rights too I think we've I think the tables have turned a little
26:09bit we're talking about girls a lot and boys are getting left behind a little bit you know it's kind
26:13of like slogans like the future is female I've got a seven-year-old boy he doesn't understand the
26:19nuance of that and the history behind the future is female so he's gonna see that and he's gonna be like
26:23well what about me you think we've gone too far the other way I just think it's become aggressive
26:27it's almost like become cool to bash your man like oh many uses many good for nothing minute and
26:34there's a lot of negative language surrounding men if I have my husband talking to his mate
26:38into robbery terms about about all of us we wouldn't stand for that no woman would stand for
26:42that so why are women doing it getting away with it and why is it cool and glamorized
26:46some argue that the fight for equality is spoiling the romantic connection between men
26:55and women others would say that by celebrating femininity trad wives are pandering to men's
27:02desire for dominance here's your team my god Lillian thank you while playing gooseberry on the
27:24couple's wedding night I find myself wondering just how submissive Lillian really is when it comes to the
27:32bedroom department is it the same kind of setup what happens in our own bedroom I'm not willing to
27:42discuss but I'm willing to discuss generally the role that sex has in traditional marriages right so
27:51in terms of relationships sex is sort of the most sacred aspect of that and it's not only sacred but
28:00it's the glue that holds relationships together the teaching is that the woman owns the man's body and
28:07the man owns the woman's body we are one flesh and that's a biblical term so we are not supposed to
28:16deny the other person if they want to engage do you think it helps it's helped your marriage and it's
28:25helped your sex life that Lillian always looks so together and so attractive it doesn't hurt that
28:34Lillian is quite attractive of course but if you then add on top of that I'm a wife that is your biggest fan
28:43I'm a wife that wants to see you succeed and I'm not going to put you down in public it makes the desire
28:50more intense for me right I wonder if some married women would be watching this thinking the last thing
28:59I want to do when I've been scrubbing the bathroom tiles all day is with my man's clothes off where
29:06are they going wrong I think it comes down to getting better at it I had no desire or understanding of how to
29:15keep a house and I think it's taken many years now so you've trained yourself yeah enjoy it yeah yeah
29:22pretty much I love doing the laundry that's my favorite thing to do now especially with my tumble
29:27dryer as my gift from last Christmas it's great do you make a conscious effort to flirt with one
29:35another is that important of course yeah I get home and I grab her rear end when I grow up and things
29:44like that why not I think I mean things just get better with practice so we just practice a lot
29:52it just gets better and better oh my god Lillian good for you
29:55it's Sunday and Lillian is busy prepping for baby Augustine's baptism party
30:15did you want to bake some banana bread with me we're going to cream 140 grams of softened butter I think
30:26Libby is probably more capable than I am oh the next part is just another 140 grams but of sugar so 140 140 is
30:35too late in it yeah oh let's just tear it so hit the tear button I find that's how you use a kitchen
30:41there go this is so tragic do you miss any aspects of your old life your old self the things I used to
30:51value about myself like being attractive being sexy being able to play guys like I I did not treat them
30:59with much respect and I and once I conquered one I was ready to go on to the next one and I think
31:05that's because of the men that I met and dated were not masculine they were they were ready to grovel
31:12for me and turns out that's not what I wanted I have some old photos here but there's um this is an
31:19example of my dissertation so yeah there's a professional side of me and then there was the
31:26frivolous side of me where I was modeling back in the day that's amazing you like that you would wear
31:32this one you look great I would not look like that I'm not 5'10 I like ET so yeah I was one of the larger
31:44group of feminists that like the idea of equality and they want to have their own career they want
31:49to be their independent own woman so without Felipe I don't know if I would have turned from feminism
31:56so that could be interpreted in two ways either he's sort of shown you the light
32:02or he's brainwashed you it could be but he's definitely I think he's kind of like my knight
32:08in shining armor which I think every little girl would love to have and I'll also try to let you
32:13match these up um so you prefer who you are now than who you were I like that I'm able to think
32:21unlike the trad wife um stereotype of like Stepford housewife where you're just mindless
32:27I think men need to have someone they can spar with intellectually at home
32:32I can't imagine any man or woman being able to walk over Lillian
32:37and her confidence shows on social media where she defiantly defends her trad wife stance
32:44you're quite bold on Twitter when it comes to feminism and in the past you've likened it to
32:52cancer that's um pretty extreme it is pretty extreme yeah but I think feminism is pretty extreme
33:02as well wow what do you say to those feminists who are appalled at your take on feminism I understand
33:11that they might feel like I'm being I am undoing their work but I do think that they are being
33:17duped into this fantasy of what equality means feminism I think does place the woman front and center
33:26me me me I I I is very selfish and is always trying to get the next thing we have to we have to win
33:34we have to dominate we have to have women CEOs dominating men in every business we need you know
33:40female presidents prime ministers and I don't know if that's making women happier I think the idea
33:47that there's genuine equality in the West is ludicrous to really yeah I mean I still feel like there's a
33:54that there's a long way to go
33:57I think I should have my hair up or down maybe yeah up I really okay I will six-year-old Lavinia is helping me get
34:12ready for her baby brother's baptism you look pretty enough without me oh my god don't break my heart
34:18it's in here right honey of course Lillian's wardrobe has been chosen for her I did want
34:26to ask you honey this thing should I wear underneath it because it's like super vintage or not well let's
34:33see let's see it let's see it with and then I'll judge okay we'll step out and then see what it
34:39looks like call us when we're allowed to have a look sure you picked this dress yeah I picked this
34:46dress specifically so I bought it just to celebrate 10th year anniversary and our trad wife evolution and
34:54if you really don't like something like you just think it looks ugly and it doesn't look feminine yeah
35:00um what do you say I say that's not flattering I think you have outfits that flatter your figure
35:11better things like that okay so this is with the um yeah underskirt I like it with it you like it with
35:17it yeah I like it with it yeah what do you think what do you think you know I always think you look
35:22utterly beautiful the dress isn't totally my vibe but it looks amazing on you it's beautiful of course
35:29because I picked it obviously how should a woman look in your opinion which you're entitled to
35:34I would say a modest sort of style that accentuates her figure but not to the point of sexual attraction
35:46so nothing too provocative yeah but just enough to show that she's got it going on yeah yeah
35:53do you fancy Felipe everyday what do you mean fancy um do you appreciate his aesthetics do you think
36:02oh I hope you know I can't wait for later I don't know what that means um um I am attracted to my
36:10husband yes yeah and I'm very happy to have intimate moments with him yeah throughout the day would be
36:20great you don't have to wait until bed yes girl good for you but we can't while you're here so
36:25yeah I'll be gone tomorrow yeah I know I'm counting down
36:31very handsome boy
36:40I feel bad because obviously they wanted to have a good time last night which I totally get but
36:50unfortunately for them I'm directly next door so they can't really go through it and you know what
36:57it's like when you try to have sex quietly it's more hassle than it's worth heavenly father give thy holy
37:05spirit to this infant that he may be born again through our Lord Jesus Christ amen from what I've
37:14witnessed the track movement is undoubtedly entwined with faith shall we raise our glasses to Augustine
37:22who has today entered the church cheers cheers cheers cheers
37:30though I tend to associate religion with patriarchal control none of the trad wives I've met over the
37:36weekend appear repressed in fact they seem happy are you alright sit down yeah so Jess and I do home
37:45educating together right so you're a trad wives yeah I would say I would never I've never called
37:51myself that before but yes that's why I think we connected work so well with Lily we have so many
37:56of the similar values so is your husband the the head of the house yeah yeah really nice to meet you
38:05Dan and you what does your role involve in in the home first and foremost we we're Christian so I kind
38:14of define those roles by what God how God defines them it's our standard and it's and it's it's pre
38:22proven through time you know like it's it's worth do you think if you're subservient and dutiful
38:31that's all it takes we're doing it for for the kids and we're doing it because I love you and I
38:37want you you're the one working I'm gonna accommodate you what's gonna work he's happy because he comes
38:42home to a cooked meal and well you know educated children and you know I it works it makes so much
38:48sense it's logical to me I'm 33 not married don't have children my career is really important do you think
38:58I'm gonna live to to regret this existence I would say your your ovaries are not you can't Botox them
39:07so they won't last forever but if you absolutely have an opportunity to do that have children because
39:13that is just the most rewarding rewarding satisfying and you can teach them and mold them and just don't
39:20miss that opportunity when you delve beneath the date agenda roles within the track world there's
39:28a simple mantra the women are all seen to echo it feels better being a good mum than having a good
39:35career the more time I spend with these trad wives the more it seems to be working for them you know both
39:46Lillian and her friend are saying we've lived your life Stacy and we've taken a different approach and
39:53we're much happier you know I can't ignore that I I know for a fact there'll be women watching this that
40:03will be angry that I'm not being more assertive about this but I would say you know feminism is it's
40:12about choice they're growing women they're of sound mind so I can't you know I can't bowling to their
40:21lives and say you've got this wrong and I want women to make their own decisions as long as they
40:25look like mine that's that's that's not how it works oh look at this dear miss Stacy so nice to meet you
40:42I hope you'll live such a loving life it's been such a lovely time I think I like all of your earrings
40:49oh thank you and all of the jewels you wear this I'm so touched thank you so so much dear Lord we
40:59thank you for this wonderful weekend that we've had with Stacy and father as we say our goodbyes we
41:05hope that lasting memories are left in our hearts in Jesus name we pray amen oh man oh
41:11oh she's oh my god babe what are you crying for is it because Miss Stacy's leaving oh baby don't cry
41:24if you're breaking my heart as my stage rules to an end I'm left considering the independent life
41:33fire forged and if one day becoming a mum could change things there will be people thinking Lillian
41:39has conformed and she has compromised herself and you know you're wasting those masters or you could
41:48have had this amazing career seemingly that's not what's important to her what's important are the kids
41:54as she wants to be around every minute of the day for her children oh they were good thank you Lillian
42:01you're welcome of course I'm not going to become a trad wife I can't think of anything I would
42:07least rather than obeying a man what would your ideal setup be then Stacy and 11 bulldogs because she
42:22ain't married she's got no kids and she's lonely in this massive house I must not knock any of these
42:31pictures on my way out Philippe that would be a bad way to end the weekend thank you so much
42:38thank you for being here I really really appreciate it have an amazing night this evening have a great
42:45day and I hope I hope Kevin enjoys the shirts you'll be ironing and the cakes you'll be making
42:51banana bread well actually I could make the banana bread yes you can make the banana bread yeah that's
42:57not in yeah anyway I won't but thank you so much see ya bye Stacy bye bye
43:05bye my daddy Oh good boy
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