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Beyond The Bar – Episode 5
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00:01:32Wow, 3억짜리 그림은 어떻게 생겼다니?
00:01:35자, 그럼 류관무 작가의 Fiesta,
00:01:39지금 바로 공개합니다.
00:01:51장난하는 거지?
00:01:52뭐가?
00:01:53저게 얼마라고?
00:01:563억?
00:01:58내가 실수를 했나.
00:02:00왜 그래?
00:02:02야.
00:02:03나 저 그림 우리 집에 있어.
00:02:06뭐?
00:02:07우리 집에도 있다고.
00:02:11제발 거짓말 좀 하지 마, 예진아.
00:02:14거짓말?
00:02:23어, 엄마.
00:02:24어, 네.
00:02:25엄마 집이야?
00:02:27어.
00:02:28그 우리 안방에 있는 그림 좀 비춰봐.
00:02:31어, 잠깐만.
00:02:42어, 엄마.
00:02:43고마워.
00:02:44끊어?
00:02:45거짓말은 누가 하고 있는지 모르겠네.
00:02:48저걸 3억 주고 샀다고?
00:02:51너무 웃기다.
00:02:52야, 나 예전에 저거 벼룩시장 갔다가 10만 원 주고 샀어.
00:02:57어.
00:02:5910만 원?
00:03:02짝퉁이네.
00:03:04이 그림 카피한 거.
00:03:06에이, 그렇겠지.
00:03:07누가 피에스타 모조품을 벼룩시장에 팔았나 보네.
00:03:11옆에 이거 그려진 날짜 아니야?
00:03:1424년 9월이면 6개월 전이네?
00:03:18근데?
00:03:19난 그 그림 1년 전에 샀는데.
00:03:24뭐?
00:03:25짝퉁은 네가 가지고 있는 이게 짝퉁이고.
00:03:30서영아.
00:03:31어쩜 그렇게 여전하니?
00:03:33중학교 때도 짝퉁 신발 신고 와서 내가 짝퉁이라고 그랬더니 아니라고.
00:03:37그렇게 웃기다가 섞어서 물어봤더니 짝퉁이었잖아.
00:03:43근데 진짜 웃겼는데.
00:03:46아직도 그 벌은 못 고친 거야?
00:03:48아니.
00:03:49난 네가 시장에서 옷 대다가 막 라벨가리 해가지고 돈 좀 많이 벌었다길래.
00:03:54이제 안 그러는 줄 알았지.
00:03:57근데 뭐.
00:03:59본성이 어디 가겠어.
00:04:02라벨.
00:04:04가리?
00:04:06야.
00:04:07네가 뭘 한다고 함부로 찍으래요.
00:04:10그리고 네가 갖고 있는 게 짝퉁이면 어쩔 건데.
00:04:13그럴 리 없겠지만.
00:04:15그렇다면.
00:04:17내 목 뒤에.
00:04:19난 짝퉁이라고 문신 새길게.
00:04:23대신 네게 짝퉁이면 네 목 뒤에 이렇게 새겨.
00:04:27짝퉁맨이야.
00:04:30뭐?
00:04:32왜?
00:04:33자신 없어?
00:04:35아니.
00:04:38자신 있지.
00:04:40그래.
00:04:41그렇게 하자.
00:04:43들었지?
00:04:45방금 다짐해.
00:04:48뭐.
00:04:50하하.
00:04:54하...
00:04:58하하...
00:05:04임신했어.
00:05:06SATA.
00:05:086개월 차.
00:05:13놀랐다면 미안.
00:05:15얘기할 겨를이 없었어.
00:05:19나 정말...
00:05:21어떻게...
00:05:23어떻게 당신이랑은 아기 안 갖는다고 하고 원조 씨랑 아기 가졌냐고?
00:05:30마음이 바뀌었어.
00:05:33What's the most important thing about the baby?
00:05:39What is the real thing to you?
00:05:42It's a really important thing.
00:05:44You're really thinking about the baby.
00:05:48That's it.
00:05:49It's not your fault.
00:05:51You don't have anything.
00:05:53It's just 20 and 30.
00:05:59KNOCKING.
00:06:01I don't think you're a good father.
00:06:05If you're a good father, you're going to be me.
00:06:09You're gonna be your father.
00:06:12You're going to be your father.
00:06:16You're going to be your father.
00:06:21I don't want to say anything, I don't want to give you a chance.
00:06:27And I'll give you a chance to identify the fact that you don't have a chance to give me one.
00:06:37I'll give you one more time.
00:06:43You'll have to give me a chance to give me a chance to meet your father.
00:06:48I'll give you a chance to give you a chance to give them a chance.
00:06:51I'm going to try to figure it out.
00:07:21I think it's a good idea.
00:07:23It's a good idea that the star is a good idea and the 황예진's name is a good idea for all the people who are getting into it.
00:07:29Yes, it's a good idea.
00:07:31It's a bad idea.
00:07:35It's a good idea.
00:07:37It's a good idea.
00:07:39It's a good idea.
00:07:41It's a good idea.
00:07:43It's a good idea.
00:07:45It's a good idea.
00:07:47It's a good idea.
00:07:49It's not a good idea.
00:07:51It's a good idea.
00:07:53You're doing it.
00:07:55I'm going to save it.
00:07:57It's a good idea.
00:07:59It's a good idea.
00:08:01It's a good idea.
00:08:03That was a good idea.
00:08:05Yeah.
00:08:17Why are you so much?
00:08:19I'm so sorry.
00:08:21You know, I'm so sorry.
00:08:23There's no room to go.
00:08:25I'm so sorry.
00:08:27I'm so sorry.
00:08:29Wait a minute.
00:08:31There's a room, right?
00:08:33Where's the room?
00:08:35Where is it?
00:08:41The room is at the corner.
00:08:43Come back to the room.
00:08:47Thanks.
00:08:51Oh, what's next?
00:08:58Maybe you go to school?
00:09:04No, you're talking about it.
00:09:09Why?
00:09:11What?
00:09:14Oh, my goodness.
00:09:16Oh.
00:09:22I'm trying to read this book and teach you all?
00:09:28Yeah.
00:09:29I'm trying to read this book.
00:09:31I'm trying to read this book.
00:09:35But...
00:09:37Do you have the best course?
00:09:38Do you have the best course for a 14th century?
00:09:40Not do you have the best course?
00:09:40Do you have the best course?
00:09:41Do you have the best course?
00:09:42Are you ready to go?
00:09:43The first is once you
00:09:45You can't afford the best course
00:09:48I can't.
00:09:49I was so happy with you.
00:09:51I was looking forward, the only way I have liked it.
00:09:55It's so funny for me.
00:09:58I can't really work with you guys.
00:10:01It's really fun to do it.
00:10:05Okay, let's go.
00:10:35What's wrong with you?
00:10:37What's wrong with you?
00:10:39If you're learning English, you're not English?
00:10:43English?
00:10:45Just say.
00:10:47I'll do it.
00:10:49I'll do it.
00:10:55Ah, really?
00:10:59I didn't know that.
00:11:01I'll do it.
00:11:03I said, you don't have to use a word.
00:11:05You can use a word to say that.
00:11:07You can use a word to say that.
00:11:09But you can use a word to say that.
00:11:11That's what's wrong with you.
00:11:13It's the second step.
00:11:15Ah, that's right.
00:11:17So, OK.
00:11:31What's your name?
00:11:50What's your name?
00:11:52What?
00:11:56I was a brother who received a lot of money, but it was not so bad.
00:12:00I was a brother who is a good lawyer, so I could show you something better.
00:12:06Okay. I'll read it.
00:12:08I'll read it later.
00:12:22And he's famous for the famous people.
00:12:28And the author of the original book, he's famous.
00:12:32And the author of the book, he's a real author.
00:12:35It's so scary.
00:12:36He's been waiting for a long time, but why did he come here?
00:12:40The guy is still young and he's never seen him.
00:12:45I am getting up on the list and I will now see you.
00:12:52I don't know what to do, but I don't know what to do.
00:13:22I'm serious, isn't it?
00:13:25Yes.
00:13:25Do you know this?
00:13:26You don't have to worry about it.
00:13:28I mean, you don't have to go ahead.
00:13:33So, that's why I don't think I'm going to go.
00:13:39Once you need to talk about her.
00:13:44Okay, no matter what.
00:13:48Then, we'll give you a friend of mine.
00:13:52Thank you, thank you.
00:14:01We're in charge.
00:14:06Yes, thank you.
00:14:09I'm going to take a look at this.
00:14:16Yes.
00:14:19I'll take a look at this.
00:14:24I'll take a look at this.
00:14:29I'll take a look at this.
00:14:32I'll take a look at this.
00:14:40Yes?
00:14:44선배.
00:14:46Why?
00:14:54This is what?
00:14:58Tom 변호사.
00:15:00선임자들한테 물어보지도 않고 수임하면 어떻게 해?
00:15:03너무 급박하기도 하고.
00:15:06지난번에도 도시가스 절도 조사한다고 무단결근까시에서 내가 얼마나 힘들었는데.
00:15:12그래도 그건 잘 마무리가..
00:15:15M pag습니다.
00:15:18수재료는?
00:15:20들어본 У으로 안 될까요?
00:15:24그건 특별 승인 사항이야.
00:15:26Oh, hell!
00:15:27So I'm sorry about it, okay?
00:15:30I'll have that reply before you're where you're going?
00:15:31That's the problem like that?
00:15:33Let's go with a goodbye to the p-shutbox
00:15:38That's just a debate about it
00:15:40It's really not happening
00:15:44I don't know
00:15:45There's no other thing
00:15:47It's a stereotype
00:15:49Oh, wait!
00:15:52Oh, I can't remember if the judge was the mentoring
00:15:55Yes?
00:15:56I'm going to get the phone number.
00:16:01Yeah?
00:16:02I'm going to get the phone number.
00:16:04Yes.
00:16:05So, when's the year?
00:16:06Yes.
00:16:07So, when's the year?
00:16:12After a month, it's a week.
00:16:15It's a week.
00:16:16It's a week, so it's a bit late.
00:16:19It's a week, so it's a lot.
00:16:21I'm sorry.
00:16:23You've been in a moment.
00:16:25No, no.
00:16:26What's wrong?
00:16:27No.
00:16:28I don't know.
00:16:29No.
00:16:30No.
00:16:31No.
00:16:33No.
00:16:34No.
00:16:35No.
00:16:36No.
00:16:37No.
00:16:38No.
00:16:39No.
00:16:40No.
00:16:41No.
00:16:42No.
00:16:43No.
00:16:44No.
00:16:45No.
00:16:46No.
00:16:47No.
00:16:48No.
00:16:49No.
00:16:50No.
00:16:51No.
00:16:52No.
00:16:53I'm going to go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead and go ahead.
00:17:00Yes.
00:17:12Training session.
00:17:16I'm going to go ahead and go ahead.
00:17:22If you're a little bit different, I'll try to get you.
00:17:26I'll try to get you.
00:17:28I'll try to get you.
00:17:30I'll try to get you.
00:17:35What do you think?
00:17:37I'll try to do this.
00:17:39I'll try to get you.
00:17:41Okay, let's do it.
00:17:42Okay, let's go.
00:17:43Let's take a look at what's going on.
00:17:49Let's take a look at what's going on.
00:17:52This is a compliment sticker.
00:17:54The sticker on the first person is the highest point.
00:17:59Today's training session is a debate.
00:18:03It will be a very useful time.
00:18:08Today's training session is a debate.
00:18:12The second one, the first one, the second one.
00:18:14A second one, the second one.
00:18:16This is a little bit more than a second.
00:18:18Yes!
00:18:19Here you go.
00:18:22I'll give you a second.
00:18:24Yes.
00:18:25Yes, I'll give you a second.
00:18:26Yes.
00:18:27Yes.
00:18:28Yes.
00:18:29Yes.
00:18:30Yes.
00:18:31Yes.
00:18:32Yes.
00:18:33Yes.
00:18:34Yes.
00:18:35Yes.
00:18:36Yes.
00:18:37Yes.
00:18:38Yes.
00:18:39Yes.
00:18:40No one, no one.
00:18:42Yes.
00:18:45Yes!
00:18:55Yes.
00:19:04and the result of the
00:19:06question of the
00:19:08four-year-old
00:19:10and the
00:19:11two-year-old
00:19:12and the
00:19:13one-year-old
00:19:14at the
00:19:15point of
00:19:16the
00:19:17process
00:19:18and
00:19:19the
00:19:20process
00:19:21and
00:19:22the
00:19:23two
00:19:24are
00:19:25good
00:19:26the
00:19:27the
00:19:28the
00:19:33.
00:19:40.
00:19:58.
00:20:01They were all good for the 기대.
00:20:04But the middle of the line was faster and the front was lower.
00:20:09And the next match was the KANG-YO-M.
00:20:16Let's go.
00:20:21This match was the match of the O.S.A.L. and KANG-YO-M.
00:20:26This match was the match with the two.
00:20:30This is the case, this is the case.
00:20:34This is the case.
00:20:36This is the case.
00:20:42This is the case.
00:20:50The case.
00:20:54So it's not done.
00:21:00Yes.
00:21:07The figure is not a lie.
00:21:10It's not a lie.
00:21:16It's not a lie.
00:21:22So let's go.
00:21:24Let's go.
00:21:26We're going to go.
00:21:28We're going to go.
00:21:30Let's go.
00:21:32Congratulations.
00:21:34Let's go.
00:21:36Good luck.
00:21:38Good luck.
00:21:40Hi.
00:21:42Yeah, I'm going to go.
00:21:44I'm going to go.
00:21:46I'm going to go.
00:21:48Some plan is here.
00:21:50стil that is a lottery.
00:21:51Yeah, this one of them is 100%.
00:21:53Amazing.
00:21:54We're doing this.
00:21:55Yeah.
00:21:58Thank you, my God.
00:22:00We're here for a couple of weeks.
00:22:01Well, now, I'm going to go ahead.
00:22:07Oh, I'm going to go out.
00:22:09It's a matter of fact.
00:22:11Yes.
00:22:12What?
00:22:13Well, early on, I've been asked a lot.
00:22:15I'm going to just 1-year-old training do you think about it and throw it to you.
00:22:19So, I'm going to do training for you.
00:22:23I'm going to go to Mim 변호사.
00:22:25I'm going to go?
00:22:27Then you go to 1-year-old one-year-old one-year-old.
00:22:29Ah, yes.
00:22:31I'm going to take care of you.
00:22:32Yes, I'm going to go.
00:22:34I'm going to go.
00:22:35Yes.
00:22:39But that's who...
00:22:41I'm going to go to 1-year-old one-year-old one-year-old one-year-old.
00:22:43I'm going to go.
00:22:44I'm going to go.
00:22:45Yes, ma'am.
00:22:45You're not going to do it properly.
00:22:47You're not going to do it properly, but you're not going to win.
00:22:51You're not going to win.
00:22:53You're going to win.
00:22:55Yes.
00:23:15Okay, let's go.
00:23:45I'm going to go to the table.
00:23:47I'm going to take a picture.
00:23:49I'm going to take a picture.
00:24:12It's a picture.
00:24:14I'm not sure what's going on.
00:24:19I'm ready to go.
00:24:21I'm ready to go.
00:24:23I'm a dancer.
00:24:25We're a team.
00:24:26We're a team.
00:24:28We're a team.
00:24:30I'm ready to go.
00:24:33There's nothing to do.
00:24:35I can't wait.
00:24:39That's what I thought.
00:24:42It's delicious.
00:24:44It's delicious.
00:24:46It's delicious.
00:24:48It's delicious.
00:24:50It's delicious.
00:24:52I'm so happy.
00:24:54It's delicious.
00:25:06윤석열 의사님!
00:25:12깜짝이야.
00:25:14퇴근 안 했어요?
00:25:16윤석열 의사님.
00:25:18저 좀 살려주세요.
00:25:24잘 썼네요.
00:25:32주장도 부드럽게 잘 읽히고.
00:25:36문제는 이걸 어떻게 법원에서 프레젠트 하는지가.
00:25:42잘 쓴 서면이 있겠다.
00:25:44뭐가 문제죠?
00:25:46제가 잘 할 수 있을지가.
00:25:52음...
00:25:54그럼 여기서 한번 해보세요.
00:25:56예?
00:25:58내가 봐줄 테니까 한번 해보라고요.
00:26:00그게...
00:26:02재판 내 일 아니에요?
00:26:04네.
00:26:06내 앞에서도 못하면 법정에는 어떻게 서려고?
00:26:08해보세요.
00:26:10하...
00:26:12하...
00:26:14해에 관한 언론 기사를 통해 원고 저작문을 접했을 거라고 주장하지만 근거가 부족합니다.
00:26:22기사의 원고 작품이 작게 실린 것은 사실이나 그 정도의 이미지로는 세부 표현이나 특수한 기법을 인지하기 어렵습니다.
00:26:30양 작품은 회화에서도 드문 기법으로 제작되며 이는 기사 이미지만으로는 파악할 수 없는 부분입니다.
00:26:40오히려 피고 작품이 동일한 기법을 사용했다는 점은 원고 측이 피고 작품을 모방했을 가능성을 뒷받침하는 정황입니다.
00:26:48자기 목소리 녹음해서 들어본 적 있어요?
00:26:56아니요.
00:26:58아... 누가 들어도 거짓말 잘 못하는 사람이 거짓말하고 있는 것 같아요.
00:27:04지난번 토너먼트 때 왜 강유민 씨가 오상철 씨한테 진 줄 알아요?
00:27:12그 서면 내용 어땠는지 말해보세요.
00:27:16괜찮으니까 말해보세요.
00:27:21여러 로지컬 펠러시가 있었습니다.
00:27:23어떤?
00:27:24전권부정의 오류, 매개념 부주연의 오류, 그리고...
00:27:28순환놈법도 있었죠.
00:27:30맞습니다.
00:27:31그중 전권부정이 여러 번 나왔던 것 같습니다.
00:27:34맞아요.
00:27:36필요 조건과 충분 조건을 혼동해서 언뜻 듣기에는 논리적이나 오류였죠.
00:27:43그리고 그걸 강유민 씨는 읽자마자 파악했고 오상철 씨는 그러지 못했어요.
00:27:49오상철 씨는 내가 썼다는 얘기를 듣고 그 서면이 완벽하게 쓰여 있을 거라고 생각했겠죠.
00:27:55그래서 자신감 있게 변론을 할 수 있었던 거예요.
00:27:58오상철 씨의 그 자신감이 그 오류 가득한 주장을 꽤나 합리적이고 논리적으로 들리게 만들었어요.
00:28:05그런데 강유민 씨는 본인 스스로도 납득할 수 없는 주장을 해야 했기 때문에 누가 들어도 거짓말을 잘 못하는 사람이 거짓말을 하는 것처럼 들렸고 설득력이라고는 없었죠.
00:28:17지금도 마찬가지예요.
00:28:23강유민 씨는 이미 의뢰인이 그 그림을 카피했다고 생각하는 거예요.
00:28:27류 감모는 미국 명문대 출신의 세계적으로 주목받는 전도 유망한 아티스트고 의뢰인은 그냥 초라한 아마추어니까.
00:28:37선입견을 걷어내고 본질을 봐요.
00:28:44선입견을 걷어내고 본질을 봐요.
00:28:52모두 자리에 일어나 주시기 바랍니다.
00:29:17모두 자리에 일어나 주시기 바랍니다.
00:29:20재판부가 보기에도 원고의 작품 피에스타와 피고의 작품 놀이동산의 저작물 사이에 실질적 유사성이 인정이 된다는 점은 다툼이 없는 것 같고
00:29:45의거성에 대한 다툼만 있는 것 같습니다.
00:29:49원고 작품 피에스타는 2024년 10월에 발표되어 같은 해 11월에 전시되었고 여러 매스컴에도 노출되어 왔습니다.
00:29:56그렇다면 피고가 전시 방문 및 이러한 보도 자료를 통해 피에스타를 모방하여 놀이동산을 그렸다고 넉넉히 추정할 수 있습니다.
00:30:04만약 피고 작품 놀이동산이 원고 작품 피에스타 이전에 그려졌다면 오히려 원고가 피고 작품을 모방하게 됩니다.
00:30:13놀이동산은 피에스타가 발표되기 전인 2024년 3월에 그려졌습니다.
00:30:17피고 측의 주장은 자의적 주장에 불과합니다.
00:30:20피고는 놀이동산이 그려진 시점에 대해 객관적 증거를 제출하지 못하고 있습니다.
00:30:24그렇지 않습니다.
00:30:25피고는 피에스타가 발표되기 전 놀이동산을 벼룩시장에 판매한 사실이 있습니다.
00:30:30피고의 작품을 샀다고 주장하는 사람은 황예진 씨로.
00:30:33황예진 씨의 증언은 신빙성이 없습니다.
00:30:36그 이유는 서면에 상세히 서술하였습니다.
00:30:39네, 황예진 씨와 원고의 작품을 구입한 이서영 씨와의 관계를 이유로 증언에 신빙성이 없다는 주장 잘 보았고,
00:30:46이를 뒷받침해주는 주변인들의 진술서도 잘 읽어보았습니다.
00:30:51피고 측, 황예진 씨가 놀이동산을 벼룩시장에서 2024년 4월에 샀다는 증언 외에 다른 객관적인 증거는 없나요?
00:31:00있습니다.
00:31:01증거 제시를 위해 서면에서 요청드린 대로 원고와 피고에 대한 당사자 신문을 허락하여 주시길 바랍니다.
00:31:16기존 그림에서 볼 수 없었던 새로운 방식으로 피에스타를 그리셨는데 어떻게 새로운 기법을 시도하게 되셨는지 설명해주시죠.
00:31:24제가 사익에서 공부할 때 아시죠?
00:31:31SAIC 시카고 예술대학.
00:31:34아실 텐데 천재 알티스트를 대거 양산한 세계적으로 유명한 미술 전문대인데 이게 상식이 아닌가?
00:31:46뭐 R2의 문의 아니면 그럴 수 있죠.
00:31:49그랬으니 저기 저런 사람을 대리하겠죠.
00:31:52잡수리 못하게 빨리빨리 거태라.
00:31:56증인.
00:31:57대리인이 묻는 말에만 답변하세요.
00:31:59다시 묻겠습니다.
00:32:01어떻게 새로운 기법을 시도하게 됐는지 설명해주시죠.
00:32:06예술하는 사람들은 개인적인 일에 의한 심경 변화가 작품에 아주 큰 영향을 미칩니다.
00:32:16제 작품 피에스타를 그리기 얼마 전 제 아이가 태어났습니다.
00:32:23난생 처음 내 아이를 내 손으로 직접 안았을 때 그 기쁨, 환의, 인류의 모든 새로운 모션이 제 작품에 아주 큰 영향을 미쳤습니다.
00:32:38제 예전 작품들의 특징으로는 여백의 미, 흑백의 할머니가 아주 도드라졌다면 제 작품 피에스타의 경우, 제 작품 피에스타의 경우 리핀 기법과 제가 개발한 독특한 마티엘을 동시에 사용함으로써 화려한 색채를 기반으로 한 아주 유의적인 매력을 뽐내고 있죠.
00:32:59라 피에스타.
00:33:06스페니쉬로 축제입니다.
00:33:11말 그대로 축제죠.
00:33:15아이의 탄생은?
00:33:19드리핑 기법과 마티엘 기법은 무엇인가요?
00:33:23드리핑은 물감을 캔베스에 부어 작품을 만드는 기법이고, 마티엘은 시각적인 텍스처를 표현하기 위한 아주 독특한 기법입니다.
00:33:34제 작품 피에스타의 경우, 물의 농도와 물감의 양을 아주 미세하게 조절해 번지는 값을 아주 정확하게 예측한 정교한 드리핑을 바탕으로 캔베스 위에서 화려한...
00:33:46네 알겠습니다.
00:33:48아기 완성했습니다.
00:33:55누가 봐도 류 감모가 이 새로운 기법의 창시자네.
00:34:05문정일 작가님이 그린...
00:34:10아니 뭐...
00:34:11요즘 개나 소나 마리나 다 작가야, 요즘.
00:34:16진짜 맛있지.
00:34:19작가님이 그린 모든 작품이...
00:34:21아, 작품?
00:34:23원고.
00:34:24좌중하세요.
00:34:26피고 대리엔.
00:34:28계속하세요.
00:34:31작가님이 그린 모든 작품은 동일한 방식으로 그려졌는데 어떻게 이 기법을 사용하게 됐는지 설명해 줄 수 있나요?
00:34:39어, 네.
00:34:41그게...
00:34:42그...
00:34:46그...
00:34:51그러니까...
00:34:57그냥 그렸어요.
00:35:01작가님께서 어릴 때 아빠와 함께 간 노래동산에서 본 화려한 퍼레이드를...
00:35:07재판사님.
00:35:08피고 대리인은 지금 유도심문을 하고 있습니다.
00:35:11피고 측 대리인.
00:35:13피고 측이 신청한 증인에 대한 유도심문은 금지되어 있습니다.
00:35:18그런 기본적인 것도 모릅니까?
00:35:32작가님이 그린 의도를 있는 그대로 설명해 주시면 됩니다.
00:35:37몰라요.
00:35:49정혜 씨.
00:35:50정혜 씨가 그린 모든 그림은 색감이 화려한데 어떻게 시각적으로 보이는 것보다 더 다양한 색감을 사용했는지 설명해 줄 수 있나요?
00:35:57어...
00:35:58몰라요.
00:35:59집에 가도 될까요?
00:36:02뭘 자꾸 물어, 어?
00:36:05아니, 뭐...
00:36:07백개거리는 사람이 뭘 안다고?
00:36:08괜찮으십니까?
00:36:09그게 아니라...
00:36:22잘못했습니다.
00:36:24잘...
00:36:25잘못했다며?
00:36:27사람 이름을, 어?
00:36:29멱칠해놓고 저런 사람은 평생 그림을 못 그리게 법으로 금지해야 된...
00:36:37됩니다!
00:36:38어?
00:36:39죄송합니다.
00:36:40잘못했습니다.
00:36:41엄마...
00:36:42엄마...
00:36:43정혜야.
00:36:45엄마...
00:36:46엄마...
00:36:47엄마...
00:36:48엄마...
00:36:49엄마...
00:36:50그래?
00:36:51야...
00:36:52야, 뭐해?
00:36:53아, 이거 엉망진창이네, 이거 진짜 씨.
00:36:59아우...
00:37:00가지가지 한다, 진짜.
00:37:04끝난 것 같은데요.
00:37:07정숙해 주시기 바랍니다.
00:37:10저요.
00:37:11증인신문을 진행하기 어려운 상황이므로 10분간 휴정하겠습니다.
00:37:27예?
00:37:28지적 장애인이요?
00:37:29네.
00:37:31어...
00:37:32몸은 21살이지만 이 지적 수준은 13살 정도예요.
00:37:41아니, 그렇다고 뭐 일상생활이 불가능한 정도는 아니고요.
00:37:46전부 다 가능하고...
00:37:49어...
00:37:51어떻게...
00:37:53제가 그...
00:37:58장애인으로 살게 하는 게 싫어서 등록을 안 했어요.
00:38:07그만하면 안 될까요?
00:38:09여기서 멈추시면 패소하게 돼요.
00:38:13그러면 손해배상금도...
00:38:18우리 애가 감당할 수 있을지...
00:38:22그리고 제가요, 우리 정애가 장애인이라는 거 알려지는 게 싫어요.
00:38:32그래서 제가 면담도 대신한 거고.
00:38:35장애 얘기도 안 하신 거고요?
00:38:40별 관련이 없을 거라고 생각해서...
00:38:47아이고, 이 모지락.
00:38:50얼마나 모자라면 지 의뢰인이 지적 장애야인지도 모르고 그따구 전략을 세웠어?
00:38:57이 분야 최고 전문가랑 장애 안 쳐놓고 미술 기법에 대해 설명하라 그러면 누가 더 잘하겠냐고!
00:39:04그만하시죠.
00:39:06어떻게 할 거야, 그래서?
00:39:08어떻게 할 거야, 그래서?
00:39:10나가세요.
00:39:12저기요.
00:39:14프로그너 담당은 나예요.
00:39:16왜 나한테 나가라 말아야.
00:39:18제 옷 쏘니까 제 관할입니다.
00:39:20아이, 뭐 챙기는 게 눈물겹네.
00:39:24똑바로 합시다!
00:39:36죄송합니다.
00:39:40전혀 몰랐어요?
00:39:42네.
00:39:44의뢰인 면담에는 정혜 씨 어머니가 대신 참석을 했고 이 사건을 소개한 분도 청각장애인이라 정혜 씨가 장애가 있는 걸 몰랐던 것 같습니다.
00:39:58아유, 그럴 수도 있지 뭐.
00:40:02청각장애인이랑 권총인 간의 소통이 한계가 있으니까 그저 소통이 오르라고 생각했을 수도 있지.
00:40:10준비 기간도 너무 짧았잖아요.
00:40:14어떡하죠?
00:40:16알았더라면 증인 소개 앉히지 않았을 텐데.
00:40:20이미 벌어졌고.
00:40:24개정하면 건강 문제로 신분이 어려울 것 같다고 말하세요.
00:40:29예, 알겠습니다.
00:40:31뭐?
00:40:34지적장애인?
00:40:36네.
00:40:38재미있게 돌아가네.
00:40:40그러게요.
00:40:42피고 반드시 증인 소개에 앉히고 압박신문에.
00:40:48네.
00:40:50재판장님, 피고가 몸이 안 좋아서 신문이 어려울 것 같습니다.
00:41:00재판장님, 당사자 신문을 신청한 것은 피고 측입니다.
00:41:02그리고 현재 피고 작품이 그려지시기를 입증할 수 있는 방법은 피고 본인에 대한 당사자 신문밖에 없습니다.
00:41:08기존에 그린 여러 작품들의 연관성을 통하여 충분히 입증할 수 있습니다.
00:41:12피고가 그렸다는 여러 작품을 피고가 직접 그린 것인지, 혹시 사건이 발생한 후 최근에 그린 것이 아닌지 확인하려면, 피고 본인에 대한 당사자 신문이 필요합니다.
00:41:20그렇지만...
00:41:22일단 피고 본인이 출석했으니 당사자 신문은 진행해 보는 게 좋겠습니다.
00:41:28진행 중 몸이 안 좋다고 판단되면 재판부가 직권으로 중단하겠습니다.
00:41:40피고, 피고는 미술을 배워본 적이 있나요?
00:41:44증언을 녹취하고 있으니 소리 내서 답변해 주세요.
00:41:48네.
00:41:49어디서 배웠죠?
00:41:51주미 미술학원에서...
00:41:53크게 말씀해 주세요.
00:41:54주미 미술학원입니다.
00:41:57네, 판사님.
00:41:59주미 미술학원은 비전문가가 가르치는 동네 미술학원입니다.
00:42:02네.
00:42:05그 학원 단위는 유성훈 씨라고 아시죠?
00:42:08네.
00:42:09소리 내서 답변해 주세요.
00:42:11네.
00:42:13유성훈 씨 말에 의하면 학원생들과 종종 미술박람회, 전시회를 다녔고 거기서 본 작품들을 그대로 그려보는 연습을 했다고 하던데 맞나요?
00:42:23네.
00:42:25이 그림, 보신 적 있나요?
00:42:41네.
00:42:42따라 그려본 적 있나요?
00:42:43네.
00:42:45미술학원에서 확보한 피고의 스케치북입니다.
00:42:49그 안에 그림 중 유간무 작가의 그림을 똑같이 따라 그린 그림이 몇 점 발견되었습니다.
00:42:54증거로 제출합니다.
00:42:59이의 있습니다.
00:43:00피고가 다른 그림을 따라 그린 적이 있다고 해서 피고가 피에스타를 복제했다는 증거는 될 수가 없습니다.
00:43:05의가성과 관련 있는 내용이라 생각됩니다.
00:43:09원고 계속하세요.
00:43:13저기 앉아 계신 유간무 작가의 작품 전시회도 다녀온 걸로 알고 있는데 맞나요?
00:43:19네.
00:43:20어떤 전시회였죠?
00:43:21그, 그, 그게 그거는 잘...
00:43:25유성은의 진술서를 제출합니다.
00:43:27유성은의 진술에 의하면 피고를 포함한 여러 학원생들이 함께 2024년 11월 3일에 열린 유간무 작가의 전시회에 다녀왔고 피에스타가 전시작품 중 하나였습니다.
00:43:39게임 오버.
00:43:43네, 진술서 잘 받았습니다.
00:43:53피고는 전시회에서 피에스타를 본 후 똑같이 따라 그린 뒤 벼룩시장에 10만 원 받고 팔았죠?
00:44:01그, 그, 그, 그게 아니...
00:44:04남의 작품을 똑같이 그리는 것은 범죄입니다.
00:44:06그리고 법정에서 허위 사실을 증언해서도 안 되고요.
00:44:11뭐해, 보고만 있을 거야?
00:44:16다시 한 번 묻겠습니다.
00:44:18피고는 11월 3일에 열린 유간무 작가의 전시회에 다녀왔고 거기 전시된 피에스타를 본 후 똑같이 따라 그린 다음에 금전적 이득을 취했죠?
00:44:30제발...
00:44:31대답하시라고요!
00:44:32네!
00:44:33네!
00:44:34네!
00:44:35네!
00:44:36이상입니다.
00:44:40네!
00:44:48뭐하냐고?
00:44:49I'm not going to go.
00:45:10Pico 대리,
00:45:11can you go to the hospital?
00:45:12You can't see him.
00:45:18He's got a good job.
00:45:20I'll see him.
00:45:24He's fine.
00:45:26He's fine.
00:45:32Mr. President,
00:45:34can I do it?
00:45:36I'm not sure if you're dead.
00:45:38Right.
00:45:39You're so too.
00:45:42You're like, what's your name, what's your name?
00:45:45You're alone.
00:45:47How do you do it?
00:45:49I'll do it?
00:45:51You're gonna do it?
00:45:52I'll do it, you're gonna do it.
00:45:54I'll do it.
00:45:56I'll do it.
00:45:57I'm going to do it.
00:45:58You're going to do it.
00:46:00You're going to make it.
00:46:03You're going to do it.
00:46:06I'm going to go to the hospital.
00:46:09I'm going to go to the hospital.
00:46:13What's the problem?
00:46:16What are you doing?
00:46:18I'm going to go.
00:46:21I'm going to go.
00:46:29Why are you?
00:46:31I'm sorry.
00:46:53I'm sorry.
00:46:54Yes, I'm sorry.
00:46:57I didn't know what to do.
00:47:06I'm a lawyer.
00:47:12I don't know what to do.
00:47:17I'm a lawyer.
00:47:21I don't want to say anything about me, but I don't want to say anything about me.
00:47:32Can I tell you something about me?
00:47:42Yes.
00:47:51I don't want to say anything about me.
00:48:16I don't want to say anything about me.
00:48:21I don't want to say anything about me.
00:48:26I'm a man-sac-in-mina-to.
00:48:31I'm a man-sac-in-mina-to.
00:48:36I'm a man-sac-in-mina-to.
00:48:38I'm a man-sac-in-na-i-c.
00:48:50I don't know.
00:48:51I don't know.
00:48:53I don't know.
00:48:55I don't know.
00:49:09No.
00:49:10No, no, no.
00:49:12No.
00:49:15이상입니다.
00:49:29정혜 씨.
00:49:32저 그림 뭘 그린 그림이에요?
00:49:38아빠 얼굴이요.
00:49:55아, 아빠 얼굴이요?
00:49:59아빠 얼굴 기억해요?
00:50:01사진 있어요.
00:50:03사진 있어요?
00:50:04보여줄 수 있어요?
00:50:06네.
00:50:22피구 부친의 사진을 증거로 제출합니다.
00:50:32그런데 제 눈에 정혜 씨 그림에서 아빠 얼굴이 안 보이는데요?
00:50:44어...
00:50:48엄마가 아빠 그림 그리면 슬퍼할까 봐 숨겨놨어요.
00:50:54어디예요?
00:50:56어떻게 하면 볼 수 있어요?
00:50:58어두운 데서 빛을 비추면 보여요.
00:51:04제가 한번 확인해도 돼요?
00:51:10법정원 조명을 어둡게 해 주길 요청드립니다.
00:51:22고맙습니다.
00:51:50I'm a father.
00:51:54I'm a father.
00:51:58I'm a father?
00:52:04It doesn't look at me.
00:52:08No, I'm a father.
00:52:10But...
00:52:14...
00:52:16...
00:52:26...
00:52:28...
00:52:30...
00:52:31...
00:52:35...
00:52:38...
00:52:40She's the one who loves the mother and the mother in the center of the world.
00:52:49She's a special person.
00:52:52She's not good at all.
00:52:54She's not good at all.
00:52:56She's not good at all.
00:53:01She's a tetrachromat.
00:53:03She's a tetrachromat.
00:53:18She's a tetrachromat.
00:53:22I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
00:53:52He is still on.
00:53:58He is gone.
00:54:00Dad, we can't live anymore anymore.
00:54:03He is not stuck with his eyes.
00:54:05He is not stuck with his eyes.
00:54:11However, the mother who loved him was too much,
00:54:14she would be sad to see the mother's father's face.
00:54:17She would be sad to see the mother's face.
00:54:21It was possible to create a real life.
00:54:26It was possible to see her face.
00:54:29The whole face of her face is bright,
00:54:34but the dark side of her face is in a certain way.
00:54:38그 안에 고의 간직한 아버지의 모습이 숨겨져있다.
00:54:42정혜는 타고난 감각만으로도
00:54:44단 한 번의 오차 없이 부터치를 조절하며
00:54:47시각적 질감과 색채의 강약,
00:54:50명도를 정밀하게 쌓아갔다.
00:54:53그리고 형광색을 활용해
00:54:56아무도 모르게
00:54:58오직 빛의 조도에 따라
00:55:01아버지의 형상이 떠오르도록
00:55:03그림을 완성했다.
00:55:04정혜가 그리는 그림들이에요.
00:55:06I'm going to bring it in the car.
00:55:12I'm going to bring it in the car.
00:55:14But it's...
00:55:36I'm going to bring it in the car.
00:55:46Oh...
00:55:55Oh, our baby.
00:55:59정혜야.
00:56:06엄마가 미안해, 응?
00:56:10엄마가 정말 몰랐네.
00:56:13우리 정혜가...
00:56:22아빠를 왜 이렇게 그리워하는지.
00:56:29그래서 그랬던 거였구나, 어?
00:56:32그래서 그렇게 그림 다 그리고 나면은
00:56:36그림을 그렇게 콕 안아줬던 거였구나.
00:56:43괜찮아.
00:56:46아빠를 그리워하는 것도, 또 아빠 그림 그리는 것도.
00:56:52그리고...
00:56:55엄마랑 아빠 얘기하는 것도.
00:56:58다 괜찮아.
00:57:06정혜 씨.
00:57:09걱정해서 내가 그림에 대해 물어보면
00:57:13다 말해줄 수 있어요?
00:57:16응.
00:57:21정혜야.
00:57:23아빠 그림 그린 거 다 얘기해도 돼.
00:57:26엄마 정말 괜찮아.
00:57:29응?
00:57:31응?
00:57:32응.
00:57:34네.
00:57:43그럼 피에스타도 같은 방식으로 확인해 볼까요?
00:57:53I don't know.
00:58:23I've already taken the picture.
00:58:26How do you feel?
00:58:29How do you feel?
00:58:33It's not.
00:58:38Is this just like the image?
00:58:45I'm not so scared.
00:58:48It's not a combination.
00:58:52I'm sorry.
00:58:54Why did you say it wasn't wrong?
00:58:56Well, it's not because of the fact that if it wasciu error, it wasn't until you didn't know the truth about it.
00:59:02I don't know why we saw the damage on people's face.
00:59:08He didn't say it!
00:59:13Yes, he's alright.
00:59:21Excuse me, I'm sorry.
00:59:23Sin.
00:59:25I'm sorry.
00:59:26I'm sorry.
00:59:27I'm sorry.
00:59:28I'm sorry.
00:59:30I'm sorry.
00:59:31Yes, I'm sorry.
00:59:33I'm sorry.
00:59:34Manny's husband.
00:59:35You can't.
00:59:37There's a speech.
00:59:39You make a mistake?
00:59:42If you say that.
01:00:18Oh no...
01:00:22This is the greatest...
01:00:27She's a servant to maintain her.
01:00:36You must give up.
01:00:39You must...
01:00:42You must also have a consequence.
01:00:43Of course, you should be able to get rid of it.
01:00:51You should be able to get rid of it.
01:00:56You should be able to get rid of it.
01:01:08I am...
01:01:09Your father is acting well, ow!
01:01:11Ya!
01:01:12сопad?
01:01:13야!
01:01:14Jاب!
01:01:15Ya!
01:01:16WANGO!
01:01:18내 안목이 아니었으면!
01:01:20내가 이 작품을 발견하지 않았으면!
01:01:22당진 작품을 그냥...
01:01:24스플릿 말게지!
01:01:25WANGO 자주 하세요
01:01:28내 안목이 아니었으면 이게 아니었다고요?
01:01:30WANGO!
01:01:31네 자리에 앉으시오
01:01:32BANGO!
01:01:33WANGO!
01:01:34WANGO!
01:01:35There was a lot of people who were in this movie,
01:01:38who had the most beautiful movie.
01:01:40Really?
01:01:41There is a lot of people who were going to see you.
01:01:44Oh, nice!
01:01:46Sorry, I'm going to give you a chance to see you.
01:01:49I've been doing this before.
01:01:52I've been doing this for my first time.
01:01:54I'm going to do that for my first time.
01:01:55I'm going to take a look at it today.
01:01:57I'm going to take a look at it.
01:01:59I'm going to take a look at it.
01:02:01I'm going to take a look at it.
01:02:05I can't wait to see you.
01:02:11Did you hear me?
01:02:15I was very worried.
01:02:21I was able to see you.
01:02:30I want to change you to the first thing.
01:02:33I can't wait to change your role.
01:02:37I can't wait to change your role.
01:02:41Good job.
01:02:46I've got your brain here.
01:02:51Well, I've got your brain today.
01:02:56Cool.
01:02:58Cool!
01:03:22Thank you, Humin.
01:03:25잘 돼서 다행이야.
01:03:29응.
01:03:30정혜 그림에는 늘 행복이 배어있어서 그런 그리움을 품고 사는 줄 몰랐네.
01:03:35응.
01:03:37언니는 정혜 씨가 미술 천재라는 거 알고 있었어?
01:03:42아니?
01:03:44나도 정혜처럼 천재였다면 장혜가 있더라도 이모가 키워졌을까?
01:03:53미안해, 언니.
01:04:03엄마도 언니를 보낸 거 후회해.
01:04:07이모 글래 사진 있어?
01:04:19왜?
01:04:21엄마 보고 싶어?
01:04:23응.
01:04:25보고 싶지.
01:04:27나와주신 분이니까.
01:04:29근데 왜 보러 아나?
01:04:33아마 정혜가 아빠 얼굴을 그림에 숨겨놓은 거랑 비슷한 이유겠지?
01:04:39내가 이모 보고 싶은 것보다 우리 엄마 서운할까 봐.
01:04:43그게 마음에 걸려서.
01:04:45우리 엄마 아빠는 수어를 쓰시는데 나만 구화를 써.
01:04:49이모랑 이모부 만나게 되면 건청인처럼 보이라고.
01:04:55정혜 씨 어머니도 그랬던 것 같아.
01:04:59그런 게 부모 마음인가?
01:05:01흠..
01:05:03네.
01:05:05어.
01:05:06형님.
01:05:07오늘 뭐 뭐 중대 발표가 있다뇨.
01:05:16I think I'm a good guy.
01:05:21I'm a good guy.
01:05:26I'm a good guy.
01:05:31I'm a good guy.
01:05:36He is thecked person in the Jack of the Kym,
01:05:40and the Kym,
01:05:41and the Kym,
01:05:43and the Kym,
01:05:44and the Kym,
01:05:45and the Kim Kil성.
01:05:47It's all been going on for a long time, so I'll be staying with you.
01:05:52Some were going to finish this meeting.
01:05:56I'm going to leave the Lehaw of the Rep � and have a total discharge.
01:06:01And that's what I heard.
01:06:02And I've been doing it for a while.
01:06:05The name of the U.S.
01:06:07The U.S.
01:06:08was the former chief of the U.S.
01:06:11The U.S.
01:06:12was the chief of the U.S.
01:06:14guy who is the chief of the U.S.
01:06:16is the chief of the U.S.

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