00:00¿Qué es lo que se hace?
00:02¿Qué es lo que se hace?
00:04¿Qué es lo que se hace?
00:06¿Qué es lo que se hace?
00:08¿Qué es lo que se hace?
00:10No creo que su mente ha cambiado.
00:12Si, el esfuerzo no funciona,
00:14hay que tener consecuencias.
00:16Pero estamos tratando de evitarlo
00:18con respecto a un acuerdo.
00:20Y eso no será fácil.
00:22Tiene un montón de trabajo.
00:24Hay cosas que fueron identificados en los talks
00:26que había un par de días que hicieron
00:28con la humanidad.
00:30a gente le diría en línea,
00:32¿qué es lo que se hace?
00:34Eso es lo que nos da en un momento.
00:36En order for us a get a peace
00:38agreement, a Ukraine has to be a part
00:40of it, they have to be included.
00:42They have to be involved.
00:44Inmediatamente after we got on the
00:46airplane, within a hour, he talked
00:48to him for long periods of time.
00:50He's travel to Washington tomorrow
00:52along with several European leaders
00:54as well to continue to work on
00:56this.
00:57No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:27some have gone throughfteaders
01:29and his base to end in the
01:31national administration.
01:33How many times have we heard
01:36from the Ukrainians and from
01:38others that there's nothing
01:39about Ukraine without Ukraine
01:41where Ukraine which is not
01:43at the meeting.
01:43いつ there's no end in the
01:45war doesn't mean there's an
01:47end in this war, the President
01:49has been clear there will
01:50be consequences and we're
01:51trying to avoid those
01:52consequences even better
01:54consequence, which is peace, the
01:56Estados Unidos no está en guerra.
01:58Este no es nuestra guerra.
02:00Ultimately, lo que vida en América en América
02:02se ve no se altera un modo o otro
02:05sobre lo que ocurre en la Ukraine.
02:06Tenemos dedicado tiempo y energía
02:08a esto porque el presidente
02:09ha hecho un prioridad de su administración
02:12para promover paz y evitar la guerra.
02:15He ha hecho eso un prioridad.
02:16Y creo que él merece mucha credibilidad
02:17por el tiempo y energía
02:19que hemos investido en algo como esto.
02:22Y él es el único en el mundo que puede hacer esto.
02:23None of these other leaders in Europe
02:25could get Putin to a meeting
02:27to talk seriously about any of this.
02:29So this is going to be difficult.
02:30It's been going on for three and a half years.
02:32You have two very entrenched sides
02:34and we're going to have to continue
02:35to work and chip away at it.
02:37I think we made some real progress.
02:39You talked about not knowing what was discussed.
02:41These peace deals, these peace agreements
02:42and negotiations, they don't work
02:44when they're conducted in the media,
02:46either through leaks or through lies.
02:48And usually they're both the same thing,
02:49lying leaks.
02:50They don't work if you do it that way.
02:52And they don't work if you go out
02:53and say aggressive and abrasive things
02:55about one side or the other
02:56because then they just walk away.
02:58Have any concessions been asked?
03:02I wouldn't name them on your program.
03:02Why would I do that?
03:03You can't have a peace agreement
03:05unless both sides give and get.
03:07You can't have a peace agreement
03:08unless both sides make concessions.
03:10That's a fact.
03:10That's true in virtually any negotiation.
03:13If not, it's just called surrender.
03:15And neither side is going to surrender.
03:16So both sides are going to have to make concessions.
03:18So of course concessions were asked.
03:20But what utility would there be
03:22of me going on a program and tell you,
03:23we've wagged our finger at Putin
03:25and told him you must do this
03:26and you must do that.
03:27It's only going to make it harder
03:29and less likely that they're going to agree
03:30to these things.
03:31So these negotiations,
03:33as much as everyone would love it
03:34to be a live pay-per-view event,
03:36these discussions only work best
03:38when they are conducted privately
03:40in serious negotiations
03:42in which people who have to go back
03:44and respond to constituencies,
03:46because even idolatarian governments
03:49have constituencies they have to respond to,
03:51people have to go back
03:52and defend these agreements that they make
03:54and figure out a way to explain them to people.
03:57So we need to create space
03:58for concessions to be made.
03:59But of course concessions were asked.
04:02Putin has given repeated speeches now
04:04for two and a half years.
04:05There's one they always cite
04:06which talks about taking most of Ukraine
04:08and his view of history
04:09and so forth and so on.
04:11The second thing the president,
04:13so we know what their side is demanding
04:14and we obviously know that Ukrainians
04:16are not in agreement with any of that.
04:18The second point I would make
04:19is the president has said repeatedly
04:21when it comes to territories
04:22and territorial claims,
04:24that's ultimately something
04:25Ukraine will have to decide.
04:26It's their territory.
04:28It's their country.
04:29Ultimately, what they're willing to live with
04:30is what they'll have to decide on.
04:32Maybe the answer is
04:33they're not willing to live with any of this.
04:34We don't know,
04:35but that's what we need to explore.
04:36In the meantime,
04:37the one thing we do know
04:38that Ukraine has said repeatedly
04:39and publicly talked about
04:41is security guarantees.
04:43They need to be able
04:44to enter into security guarantees
04:45that ensure that this
04:46is never going to happen again,
04:47that they're not going to get reinvaded
04:49in two and a half or three years
04:50or four years or whenever it may be.
04:52They don't want to be back here again.
04:53They want to be able to go on
04:54to rebuild their country
04:55and live their lives.
04:56That's a very reasonable request.
04:58That's something we're working on
04:59and that's something the Russian side
05:01has to understand, obviously,
05:02is that as a sovereign country,
05:04Ukraine has a right,
05:04like every sovereign country,
05:06to enter into security alliances
05:08and agreements with other countries.
05:09So these are some of the things
05:11that we'll be discussing.
05:14Critics of President Trump
05:15are always going to find something
05:16to criticize.
05:17You don't even pay attention to it anymore,
05:18but I will tell you this,
05:19Putin is already on the world stage.
05:21He's already on the world stage.
05:22The guy's conducting
05:23a full-scale war in Ukraine.
05:24He's already on the world stage.
05:26He has the world's largest
05:27tactical nuclear arsenal in the world
05:29and the second largest
05:30strategic nuclear arsenal in the world.
05:32He's already on the world stage.
05:34When I hear people say that,
05:35oh, it elevates him.
05:36Well, all we do is talk
05:37about Putin all the time.
05:38All the media's done
05:39is talk about Putin all the time
05:40for the last four or five years.
05:42That doesn't mean he's right
05:42about the war.
05:43That doesn't mean he's justified
05:44about the war.
05:45Put all that aside.
05:46It means you're not going to have
05:47a peace agreement
05:48between Russia and Ukraine.
05:50You're not going to end a war
05:51between Russia and Ukraine
05:52without dealing with Putin.
05:54That's not,
05:55that's just common sense.
05:56I shouldn't even have to say it.
05:58So people can say
05:59whatever they want.
06:00Ultimately, at the end of the day,
06:01we have to get the Russian side
06:03to agree to things
06:04that they don't want to agree to
06:05if we're going to have peace.
06:06If not, they'll just be a war.
06:08They'll keep killing each other.
06:09And life will go on in America
06:10and in the rest of the world,
06:11but not for Ukraine.
06:12So the president has invested
06:14a lot of time
06:14in trying to bring an end to this war.
06:16He deserves credit for doing that.
06:18He gets criticism for doing that.
06:20He could have just let this war go on.
06:21The president could have just said,
06:23this is Biden's war.
06:23It started under him.
06:25We'll do what we can for Ukraine,
06:26but we're going to focus on other things.
06:28He could have easily said that.
06:29But he's the only leader in the world
06:31that could get Putin to a meeting
06:32to talk about serious things.
06:34Trump's mind.
06:36The deadline is as soon as possible.
06:39We want this war to end as soon as possible.
06:41I mean, that's why we're working on it.
06:42In terms of sanctions,
06:43look, at the end of the day,
06:44if we can't reach a peace agreement here
06:46and this war continues and so forth,
06:48then I anticipate you'll see
06:50the president take further action.
06:51He's already made that clear.
06:52The problem is this.
06:53Let's use our heads here.
06:55The problem is this.
06:56The minute you levy additional sanctions,
06:58strong additional sanctions,
06:59the talking stops.
07:01Talking stops.
07:01And at that point,
07:02the war just continues.
07:03You've probably just added
07:04six, eight, nine,
07:0612 more months to the war,
07:07if not longer.
07:08More people dead,
07:09more people killed,
07:10more people maimed,
07:11more families destroyed.
07:12Okay?
07:13That's what happens if you do that.
07:15Now, we may end up
07:16being at a point
07:16where we have to do that,
07:17where there is no other recourse
07:19and that's the end.
07:19By the way,
07:20there already are sanctions on Russia.
07:22The president hasn't lifted
07:22any sanctions on Russia.
07:24They're already facing sanctions,
07:25severe sanctions,
07:26and they're facing them
07:27from the Europeans as well.
07:28So we may very well reach a point
07:30where everyone concludes
07:31no peace is going to happen here.
07:33We're going to have to do more sanctions.
07:34But when you do that,
07:35you are basically walking away
07:37from any prospect
07:37of a negotiated settlement here,
07:39which is what everyone
07:40is asking us to do.
07:42Everyone,
07:42including the Ukrainians
07:43and all the countries of Europe,
07:45are begging the United States
07:46to be engaged,
07:47engage Putin,
07:48and try to get them to agree
07:49to a peace agreement.
07:50They're all asking us to do that.
07:52They all are.
07:52And the minute you levy new sanctions,
07:55those talks probably stop
07:56for the foreseeable future
07:58and that means the war continues
08:00for the foreseeable future.
08:01I hope that doesn't happen.
08:03We may very well wind up there,
08:04but we're going to try
08:05to do everything to prevent it
08:06because we want to reach
08:07a peace agreement.
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